islam--an unbelievable scourge on humanity

I don't have much hope for this youngster, unfortunately.

Posted by: eve_anne_gelical at April 11, 2008 12:36 PM

Such loving parents

Ain't we in humanity all the same?

Posted by: Infidel Pride at April 11, 2008 12:37 PM

There ought to be a law..................Oh, wait. There is. Here in the decadent West.

And some people think it would be okay to practice Sharia Law in our country?

It shouldn't be practiced anywhere and this is one of the better examples of why it should not.

This little girl should be a candidate for Anti-Dhimmi of the Year.

Posted by: tanstaafl at April 11, 2008 12:39 PM

Divorcees in the non-Muslim world tend to be a bit older, because for some reason women get married just a bit older in the Bilad al-kufr. Just one of those things.

Meanwhile, why don't we all take a trip back with Ginger and Fred:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swFrhwaB26c

Posted by: Hugh at April 11, 2008 12:41 PM

8 years old? What a brave girl.

If the divorce is granted, will the husband get a refund of the dowry? Presumably, she's still in her extended warrantry period like a TV or DVD player, so she should be covered by the Sale of Goods Act.

And dare we ask what "going to the bedroom" entails?

Posted by: Celsius at April 11, 2008 12:44 PM

Women can hit men in self defense but GOD FORBID a man hits a woman who struck him first. HYPOCRITAL -----

Your DOUBLE STANDARDS AND HYPOCRISY ARE SHOWING. Stop criticizing other cultures when YOU CAN'T EVEN ACCEPT your OWN HYPOCRISIES. Women who KILL their Husbands during domestic violence are LET GO WITHOUT CHARGE. Men WHO KILL their Wives are DEMONIZED AND SENTENCED TO DEATH HYPOCRISY SHOWS! Scott Peterson (EVIL) Some Woman who killed Husband (HERO) HYPOCRITE!

HEY -----, YOU STUPID ----, ILL COME BACK IF IM BANNED, NO ONE IS GOING TO STOP ME FROM POINTING OUT THE OUTRAGEOUS FEMINIST HYPOCRISIES OF THE WEST. YOU ARE A TYPICAL HYPOCRITICAL ----

YOU DONT WANT TO ADMIT THE OUTRAGEOUS HYPOCRISIES OF THE WEST WHEN IT COMES TO THE PEDESTAL PLACING OF WOMEN AND THE BROW BEATING ON MEN.

FAMILY COURTS, UNIVERSITIES AND COLLEGES, CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM, DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AND ABUSE - ALL BIASED AGAINST MEN. HYPOCRISY HYPOCRISY!

Posted by: jafar at April 11, 2008 12:45 PM

PERSONAL ATTACKS AGAINST ME INSTEAD OF ADDRESSING MY CONCERNS ABOUT GENDER HYPOCRISY IN THE WEST WILL GET YOU NO WHERE FAST. I WILL ONLY GET STRONGER AND MORE DETERMINED TO HAVE MY VOICE AND THE TRUTH HEARD. LOUDER AND CLEARER THAN EVER HEARD ON THIS BLOG BEFORE.

Posted by: jafar at April 11, 2008 12:48 PM

Looks like Jafar went off his meds.

Posted by: Marwan'sDaughter at April 11, 2008 1:03 PM

Robert, Hope you delete the hateful rantings of jafar (at 12:45 and 12:48pm). After spewing out the basest of swear words against females, he then worries about "personal attacks against me" -- what a hero!

Posted by: Jen at April 11, 2008 1:05 PM

Marwan'sDaughter:

Address my concerns about Western feminist hypocrisy or society. Otherwise, you're just like the Muslims, failing to see your own society's flaws JUST LIKE ISLAM/Muslims cannot admit its flaws/ mistakes/.

HYPOCRITE!

Posted by: jafar at April 11, 2008 1:07 PM

I have sent an email to JW expressing my outrage at this hate-spewing poster, jafar. I suggest any of you who agree with me might do the same...the sooner to get rid of him.

Posted by: mepeteart at April 11, 2008 1:08 PM

HEY JEN,

LOOKS LIKE YOU FAILED TO ADDRESS THE HYPOCRISY OF THE WEST AS WELL. YOU IDIOTS ARE JUST LIKE MUSLIM/ ISLAM. KEEP BEING IRRATIONAL FEMALES AND BASE ALL YOUR POSTS ON EMOTION RATHER THAN RATIONAL TRUTH. HYPOCRISY..

Posted by: jafar at April 11, 2008 1:09 PM

Hmm, looks like somebody found the foul-mouth dictionary. It's usually used by grade-schoolers. Then their mommies spank them and wash their mouths out with soap, and they end up becoming wifebeaters who can't keep their little fingers off the CAPS key.

Next.

Posted by: Lori B. at April 11, 2008 1:10 PM

This 8-year-old girl shows courage and clear thinking far beyond her years. I hope she gets the protection she needs against her husband, now exceedingly riled, no doubt. Was this marriage based on love, mutual interests, shared philosophy of life, etc.?

Posted by: Jen at April 11, 2008 1:10 PM

jafar needs help - serious help - because he's stinking up another thread with his filthy mouth too. Robert, you may want to show this boy the door!

Anyway.....

This young child should not have to deal with such adult choices and abuse. When I was 8, I was busy playing with my friends and going to school; and my Father was wonderful!! He was my protector, my guide, my advocate and teacher. This is such a shame, and I wish I could rescue this child from this insanity - as 8 years old is not too late. She would be allowed to be a child in my home, and never be forced to marry anyone. Ever.

What a sick and twisted culture, and she is very brave for taking this stand. I worry that her "Father", who doesn't even deserve the title of Father, I worry that this poor excuse for a Dad will kill her now, as this has probably bruised his frail ego, and he can't have that now can he?

Sick-os!

Posted by: champ at April 11, 2008 1:11 PM

mepeteart: ANOTHER HYPOCRITE.

FAILS TO ADDRESS THE VERY REAL GENDER HYPOCRISY BIAS/ AGAINST MEN IN SEVERAL SECTORS OF SOCIETY. I WILL NOT REST UNTIL ROBERT HIMSELF ADDRESSES THE HYPOCRISY OF THE WEST IN A POINT BY POINT MANNER - SOMETHING EMOTIONALLY IRRATIONAL FEMALES LIKE CHAMP ARE INCAPABLE OF DOING.

Posted by: jafar at April 11, 2008 1:12 PM

I really dont understand this rant. We should all be praising this brave girl for standing up for herself especially since the deck was stacked against her since the day she was born.

Posted by: Elric66 at April 11, 2008 1:13 PM

champ YOU STUPID ----, I AM ONLY REACTING BADLY TO YOUR PERSONAL ATTACKS. IF YOU ADDRESS THE HYPOCRISY OF THE WEST WHEN IT COMES TO GENDER ISSUES THAN I MIGHT HAVE SOME ACTUAL RESPECT FOR YOU AND NOT USE VULGER WORDS. BUT AS OF NOW, YOU ARE VICIOUSLY SLANDERING ME I WILL RESPOND IN KIND!

Posted by: jafar at April 11, 2008 1:14 PM

Champ makes a very good point that this child is in extreme danger of honor-murder.

"I cried so much but no one listened to me." Good Lord.

Posted by: Marwan'sDaughter at April 11, 2008 1:16 PM

Champ makes a very good point that this child is in extreme danger of honor-murder.

"I cried so much but no one listened to me." Good Lord.

Posted by: Marwan'sDaughter

Thanks, Marwans'Daughter! Doesn't your heart just break for these innocent children? My gosh, when I think of my own life and how my loving and precious Father treated me, I cannot imagine living in a hell like that. I would take her in a second if I could and protect her as if my own life depended on it. This is just so unfair and evil. May God help her survive this living nightmare. Please Lord, help her survive.

Posted by: champ at April 11, 2008 1:21 PM

Jafar

Are you on a computer in a prison or mental institution because, if not, you should be.

You must be one of the worst loonies ever to visit this site.

Perhaps you are the poor 8yr olds husband?

Posted by: Dsinc at April 11, 2008 1:22 PM

Satan has joined us - I suggest we ignore it.

Posted by: champ at April 11, 2008 1:22 PM

Everyone:

Jafar has been banned. I edited his posts above to take out the foul language, but I decided to leave them up for their illuminative value. However, there is of course always the possibility that he is another non-Muslim provocateur seeking to wind everyone up.

In any case, he is gone.

Cordially
Robert Spencer

Posted by: jihadwatch at April 11, 2008 1:23 PM

Champ,

He will be gone soon.

"The powers of Robert compell you", "The powers of Robert compell you"

Posted by: Elric66 at April 11, 2008 1:26 PM

Thank you, Robert.

Posted by: champ at April 11, 2008 1:26 PM

LOL Spoke too soon. Thank you Robert.

Posted by: Elric66 at April 11, 2008 1:28 PM

jafar;

By demanding that the offering of any criticism anyone may have against you be predicated on each and every one of us having forsaken all else in order to undo all of the "hypocrisy of the west", you set the bar so high that no one can reach it. Ever.

And you did and do that purposefully. Why? So you can feel good about yourself in some way. How selfish is that... and how horribly hypocritical of you.

Step away from the computer and put your hands where we can see 'em.

Posted by: undaunted at April 11, 2008 1:29 PM

I will address the gender issue...

In many countries and cultures it used to be acceptable for men to beat their wives, now it is not acceptable, any right-minded person can see this is a correct and just development in those societies that no longer tolerate it...

In those few instances where a woman has been released after killing her husband, it has been where she has suffered physical, sexual and mental abuse for years at the hands of her husband...

If you have to beat your wife jafar, may I suggest you are not man enough to be married...if you have to wait til she's home from school to beat her, may I suggest there is something wrong with you or your culture...

Remind us why you would marry someone so young Jafar? What are your views on a woman who is not a virgin?

Express them to this lady, if you would be so kind...
http://www.billdobbins.com/PUBLIC/art/freecoolart/Isabell/Isabell_sample2.jpg

Posted by: MrTommyAtkins at April 11, 2008 1:34 PM

Hi Robert,

You may want to edit another thread where jafar has used a few kind words too:

April 10
"Iran: Top Shia cleric unveiled...."

Thank you for your decisive action!

Posted by: champ at April 11, 2008 1:35 PM

"Step away from the computer and put your hands where we can see 'em."

LOL!! You are so funny!

Posted by: champ at April 11, 2008 1:50 PM

Wow. I've been out much of today, and I'm just seeing what I missed. Crazy. And instructive.

Anyway, I'm taking care of the other thread now.

Posted by: MarisolJW at April 11, 2008 1:51 PM

And if that kind of obscene, abusive language appears, I encourage anyone who spots it to alert us to it so we can get rid of it that much more quickly.

Posted by: MarisolJW at April 11, 2008 1:56 PM

Thank you Marisol & Robert!!

I wrote Robert about "jafar", and within a couple of minutes the man was banned! I didn't ask that he be banned, but then I didn't have to, LOL!! Talk about fast & decisive action!!

Again, many thanks!

Posted by: champ at April 11, 2008 2:07 PM

I had a few words with jafar on another thread last night. He is over the edge, and now banned.
If I could get that intense, I might get some things done around here...

Posted by: duh_swami at April 11, 2008 2:12 PM

Ok, I'll admit it--the West has some hypocrisy here.

But, as I've said before, the West is better than Islamic Sharia. Our laws are changeable, and they have changed.

Islamic law hasn't changed since the 7th Century, and that's why they have honor-killings, burkas, under-age marriage, and Qu'ran-sanctioned beatings.

The West has moved past the 7th Century, and I guess we still have a ways to go, but there's no real comparison.

So, Jafar, if you're still reading this, you got it; I admit there are hypocrises, but it's really irrelevant, since we are still so far ahead of Islam. Islam still needs to catch up on 13 centuries of progress.

Then, and only then, let's talk about gender inequality. (But, oops the Qu'ran is the unchanging word of Allah, so no progress CAN be made!)

Posted by: Mo Foe at April 11, 2008 2:12 PM

Over the last 7 years since 9/11, I have unfortunately become more hardened then I wish to be, this child has melted some of that away.

Like Champ, my heart melts for this little girl, I would love to adopt her, and make sure she is never again forced to get married without her own free will again, and if she never wanted to get married that’s fine also.

But then again, islam does not allow adoptions, what a sick perverted thing islam is.

Where are the child protection groups, we need to get a protest going. Maybe if there were enough international outcries, this child could still be saved. (Before her family kills her )

Posted by: balticwaves at April 11, 2008 2:30 PM

"But then again, islam does not allow adoptions, what a sick perverted thing islam is."

I did not know that

Posted by: Elric66 at April 11, 2008 2:50 PM

I guess jafar's wife must have beat him up.

The bravery of this little girl is quite inspiring. Let's hope she gets protection somehow. I imagine dad and hubby are just about ready to kill her.

Posted by: ImNoDhimmi at April 11, 2008 2:54 PM

"The powers of Robert compell you", "The powers of Robert compell you"

LOL, Robert's cuter than Damian Karras anyway.

Posted by: Lori B. at April 11, 2008 3:06 PM

This looks like another 'honor killing' in the making.

The father and the 'husband' will be out of jail anytime, and who will protect this girl?

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at April 11, 2008 3:09 PM

It really makes one sick to think that the islamic 'allah' thought of each and every detail including marriage to girls who are pre-pubescent. I have to question the source though; women in islam are treated as less than cattle.. how could an 8 year old girl even get this far? If it is true, she should be commended and protected for the rest of her life.

As for Jafar: Sometimes women kill their husbands because they can no longer stand the abuse and because they see no other way out. If you're a follower of the islamic program, you should know and understand this. I would recommend that if you choose to marry, that you order a mail order mulsimah slave from the internet because no Western woman would ever put up with the stuff that the islamic beasts put out. And, if one is stupid enough to hook up with you and you abuse her? Yes, she has every right to beat you back. You must be one of those "little men". Do you have a very large SUV or Ford F-350 truck with stairs on it?

Posted by: Laughs_at_Silly_Jihadis at April 11, 2008 3:13 PM

I have heard of those RARE exceptions where a wife can beat up her husband, and whenever I hear of these rare occurances, I do feel it only fair that a woman pay for her crime; so maybe we shouldn't be too hard on jafar.

But overall, men are much bigger and stronger than women and therefore capable of causing more damage than women are capable of inflicting; which obviously has been the case with jafar and his former wife, so please show a little respect, people. Not suggesting that we throw a pity-party for the man, but it's hardly his fault that he has a small and weak stature now is it. A moment of silence reflection, please......

Posted by: champ at April 11, 2008 3:25 PM

...oops...."SILENT" reflection.....

Posted by: champ at April 11, 2008 3:26 PM

I find it interesting that the source article shows the hopefully soon to be ex-husband's picture with a black bar across the eyes for privacy. Are they protecting his identity as a face saving effort, or do they do that with all pedophiles?

Posted by: Shakey_Premise at April 11, 2008 3:26 PM

There is little that I can add to the sad story posted - other commenters have hit the majority of points. I will say two things (one targeted at jafar's comments which do have some, very limited, merit...)

First: It is often said that a country should be judged based upon how they treat the weakest of their society. While I often question the efficiency of the efforts in the US, and often question the true "weakness" of those who are in need, I will admit that the west still tends to protect those who are unable to protect themselves. There is a moral nobility about doing so that is viewed with admiration in most western countries. I can not even begin to fathom the rationale behind a father sanctioning the marriage of his 8 year old daughter to a 30 year old sex offender. In the context of cementing blood relationships between marauding nomadic tribes such actions, as ghastly and repulsive as they may be, can be considered. As best I can tell, such needs died out about 500 years ago...so what is the rationale NOW?

Second: There is somewhat unequal treatment of men and women in western court systems. Often justice is bent to favor a female because of past discrimination. However, since most western systems of jurisprudence are based upon LEVEL foundations (i.e. equality of the sexes), one would expect that this preferential treatment will, over time, disappear. However, jafar, based upon my non-islamic understanding of sharia law, the islamic system of jurisprudence never was on a LEVEL foundation. Sharia was instead based on a sharply SKEWED foundation that, by prophetic fiat, can not evolve, can not develop, and must always favor males. Thus, there is NO HOPE of ever salvaging the system.

That is the difference - that is the crucial difference.

from,
Shinola

Posted by: shinola at April 11, 2008 4:03 PM

jafar,

I see that you are both off your meds and out of your white fashionable straightjacket.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at April 11, 2008 4:04 PM

"Such loving parents

Ain't we in humanity all the same?"

.. from post above

Yup, soccer moms and puttering-in-the-workshop dads just like us. So sez our idiot-in-chief.

Posted by: Infidel33 at April 11, 2008 4:25 PM

"But then again, islam does not allow adoptions, what a sick perverted thing islam is."

I did not know that"

From what I understand, Islam does not allow adoptions due to a "revelation" Mohammed had.

Mohammed's adopted son married a pretty woman named Zainab. After seeing Zainab naked (what he was doing sneaking around in her house/tent/mud hut remains unexplained), Mo concluded that Zainab's pulchritude was wasted on his son. Yet what to do about this pickle? Zainab was illegal to him as wife/bedding material because she was the wife of his son.

As on so many other occasions, Allah immediately sprang to Mohammed's libidinous aid. It was revealed that Zainab was legal to Mohammed's marital use because, well, adoption wasn't Islamic, so his son wasn't really his son at all, you see? Problem solved! And he even got Zainab's silver jewelry out of the deal. What a guy! What a Prophet!

Posted by: Marwan'sDaughter at April 11, 2008 4:37 PM

A remarkable story, and what a brave and common-sense child.
The judge is to be praised for hearing her, and the Yemen Times for publishing this, and it seems that she will have a good friend in lawyer Shatha Ali Nasser, see:

http://yementimes.com/article.shtml?i=1071&p=report&a=1

Let us all hope for some kind of happy ending for this child.

Posted by: M Al-Content at April 11, 2008 4:47 PM

"According to Yemeni law, Nojoud cannot prosecute, as she is underage. However, court judge Muhammed Al-Qathi heard her complaint and subsequently ordered the arrests of both her father and husband."

Well Thank God for that!! Maybe the judge will allow her to divorce her Father as well. Some Father he is. Sick-o.

Posted by: champ at April 11, 2008 5:39 PM

Jafar:

TWO-THREE MUCH ON YOU AND YOUR ROTTEN MIND!

Respectfully,
Lt. O'Bannon

Posted by: Lt. Presley O'Bannon at April 11, 2008 8:00 PM

“Whenever I wanted to play in the yard he beat me and asked me to go to the bedroom with him. This lasted for two months," added Nasser. "He was too tough with me, and whenever I asked him for mercy, he beat me and slapped me and then used me. I just want to have a respectful life and divorce him.”...

Behavior so disgustingly over the top, it leaves one without words.

But this:

HEY JEN,
LOOKS LIKE YOU FAILED TO ADDRESS THE HYPOCRISY OF THE WEST AS WELL. YOU IDIOTS ARE JUST LIKE MUSLIM/ ISLAM. KEEP BEING IRRATIONAL FEMALES AND BASE ALL YOUR POSTS ON EMOTION RATHER THAN RATIONAL TRUTH. HYPOCRISY..
Posted by: jafar

There's more than a little irony in this guy complaining about irrationality.

Posted by: RalphInfidel at April 11, 2008 8:14 PM

Oh, I see he was banned. Never mind, then.

Posted by: Lt. Presley O'Bannon at April 11, 2008 8:17 PM

A team of SEALs should be sent in to save this courageous kid.

(Before another judge over-rules the case and she is "honor" killed.)

Posted by: profitsbeard at April 11, 2008 9:14 PM

Hugh asks "Meanwhile, why don't we all take a trip back with Ginger and Fred?"

Much prefer Rita and Fred myself.

And so, apparently, did Fred.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2neDHVwYJOY

I take no personal responsibility and put the blame on Mame. That little black dress of Gilda's would probably not play well in Tehran.

Posted by: MBR at April 11, 2008 9:54 PM

Here are the words of YHWH stamping into the council chamber and giving all false 'gods' - or their human representatives - a flea in the ear:

"God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.
'How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked?
Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy:
Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked.'

By that criterion - that the job of a 'god' is to defend the vulnerable - 'allah' is long overdue to get the sack.

I'm glad the judge in this case has listened to this little girl, so far - perhaps in him the still, small voice of conscience and compassion has not been entirely silenced by Islam.

Of course, under sharia, the girl's testimony is worth only half that of a man's...Pray that some backup witnesses will find the guts to come forward on her behalf. (One hates to think what kind of physical damage has been inflicted upon her immature body...she needs female doctors, gynecologists, to testify to her injuries).

THIS is the sort of case that western feminists and human rights groups should be taking up. The Yemeni government should be getting hauled over the carpet for allowing such grossly abusive 'marriages' of underaged/ prepubescent girls to take place in the first case.

In a Western country that girl's 'husband' would be in court accused of pedophilia, rape and child abuse.

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at April 11, 2008 10:10 PM

HEY -----, YOU STUPID
posted by "Jafar"

Hey, Jafar, I'll yell back at you, like you yelled: are you listening? HERE IN THE WEST, WE MEN DON'T HIT WOMEN. WOMEN ARE CONSIDERED THE WEAKER SEX, BECAUSE THEY ARE, ON AVERAGE, WEAKER THAN MEN. WE WESTERN MEN KNOW THIS, AND WE KNOW THAT WE COULD BEAT UP SOMEONE WEAKER THAN US, BUT WE DON'T DO THAT, BECAUSE WE RESPECT OTHER PEOPLE.

MUSLIM MEN FEEL LIKE MEN WHEN THEY BEAT THEIR WIVES. HERE IN THE WEST, WE MEN FEEL LIKE MEN WHEN WE FACE OTHER MEN, MAN TO MAN, AND FIGHT EACH OTHER ON A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD.

GO AHEAD, KEEP BEATING YOUR WIFE; I KNOW THAT THAT MAKES YOU FEEL LIKE A MAN. BUT IF I EVER CATCH YOU IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU WILL KNOW HOW A BATTERED WIFE FEELS, BECAUSE (1) YOU ARE A WOMAN, AND (2) YOU WILL GET THE SNOT BEAT OUT OF YOU.

I really don't hate you, Jafar, but you really need to get the snot beat out of you, so that maybe some sense can be knocked into you.

Posted by: PersonOfTheBook at April 11, 2008 11:00 PM

Even though he is banned (Thanks, Robert!), I will answer the evil and deranged Jafar.

I disagree with feminism, and some of the things that they push for, but one thing I like about feminism is that it pushes for equal rights and equal dignity for men and women.

My wife recently purchased a car. I told her that I didn't want her to buy it. Although I am a little bit ticked that she did it, I am VERY GLAD that we live in a society which allows women to do whatever they want, without having to beg some man for permission.

Therefore, when you compare the plusses and minuses, I'm really glad that she bought the car.

Your society, on the other hand, Jafar, loves to oppress women. Just like you oppress non-muslims, you oppress women. But the cruel thing is, the non-muslim can say and can know he is oppressed; the poor muslim woman is not allowed to say or to know that she is oppressed. If she even thinks it, the thought police will come after her.

All in the name of "allah", of course!

Posted by: PersonOfTheBook at April 11, 2008 11:10 PM

The picture in this story makes you want to invade Yemen, doesn't it, and specifically go after the "father" and the "husband".

Posted by: PersonOfTheBook at April 11, 2008 11:13 PM

This is incredibly sad, and does look like an honor killing in the making. What true recourse does this brave girl have? How can we help her?

When Muslim mothers have as much courage as this 8 year old girl, Islam will change for the better. I can't imagine being the mother standing by all this- should I vomit or cry?

Posted by: Singing Mum at April 12, 2008 12:32 AM

Two further things to consider, from the article:

"Nasser confirmed that Nojoud Nasser’s case is not the first of its kind in Yemen . . . "

and a note from the imprisoned husband:

"“Yes I was intimate with her, but I have done nothing wrong, as she is my wife and I have the right and no one can stop me," he said.""

The husband, of course, is absolutely correct as to his privileges under Islamic law.

Posted by: Marwan'sDaughter at April 12, 2008 12:59 AM

Yeah in the west we are different than Islamistan

I am 6 2 and weigh about 210, my wife is 5 foot and weighs about 110. We married because we fell in love and made a commitment to love each other for the rest of our lives.

I dont ever want to hit my wife, when we married there was nothing in our marriage vows like do you Charles take this woman to be your lawfully wedded wife, to have and to hold, to love and cherish, in sickness and in health till death do you part? And to beat if she makes you angry? Nope I can honestly say beating the wife was not part of the vows at all.

What kind of vows do mahomaden marriages have? I promise to use you, to rule over you, to beat you when I am angry and to marry other women if I feel like it?

Posted by: stickman at April 12, 2008 2:12 AM

As I said, mohammedanism codifies and legitimizes what the rest of the world regards as criminal behavior.

Posted by: joeblough at April 12, 2008 5:30 AM

As one of my colleagues once said, "even to live a dog's life, one needs luck" (when mentioning a case where a dog had negligent owners).

Poor girl... what more can one say about this level of horror? Things like this should never happen, and things like this should never be forgiven. At least her father and husband were both arrested.

Posted by: cruzado at April 12, 2008 9:14 AM

I'll adopt her. And she will never have to marry anyone she doesn't choose to marry. And she will never have to worry about her criminal "father" threatening to rape her.

Posted by: PersonOfTheBook at April 12, 2008 12:07 PM

So where does the girl go now? To the same "home" where her "father" threatened to rape her, and who doubtless sold her to the future "husband"?

If there's no "man" in the house, what then? Does the court appoint the nearest male relative to oversee her care?

Let's hope he isn't a slimeball like the girl's "father".

Posted by: PersonOfTheBook at April 12, 2008 12:11 PM

PersonOfTheBook,

I applaud your sentiments, and cannot help but agree with you that that is the only solution to this girl's plight. Unfortunately, Islam does not allow adoption.

Allah has not made for any man two hearts within him; nor has He made your wives whose backs you liken to the backs of your mothers as your mothers, nor has He made those whom you assert to be your sons your real sons; these are the words of your mouths; and Allah speaks the truth and He guides to the way. Assert their relationship to their fathers; this is more equitable with Allah; but if you do not know their fathers, then they are your brethren in faith and your friends; and there is no blame on you concerning that in which you made a mistake, but (concerning) that which your hearts do purposely (blame may rest on you), and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. Qur'an 33:4-5.

This was because Mohammed (pee and bm upon him) got the hots for Zaynab, the wife of his adopted son, Zayd Ibn Harithah. He disinherited Zayd by abolishing adoption, caused Zayd to divorce Zaynab, then married her himself. And millions of children have suffered because of the lust of Mohammed and his rank hypocrisy (claiming to care for orphans, but stealing their wives).

My great concern for this child is that she be protected from her other family members who will seek to restore the "family honor".

Posted by: Concerned Citizen at April 12, 2008 2:08 PM

My God. Like several others have said, I wish I could take this poor child out of such a hellish environment and give her a normal life. 8 year olds should be going to school, playing with toys and having fun with friends. Instead, she is looking for a divorce from a pervert who thinks having sex with children is acceptable.

What a miserable, sick, twisted culture this so-called religion produces. And yet I can't tell you how many times I've heard things like this defended because, y'know, that's their culture. Who are we to judge?

When is this going to end?

Posted by: Mo at April 12, 2008 2:10 PM

I seldom comment on these pages because most people agree with me. I this case they do not. Jafar should be allowed to post because he shows the typical Muslim mindset, if called to account: ATTACK! Anything, everything, be it connected to the issue or not. Publish a well researched article on anything Muslim, do not refute it with an equally well researched article, burn the book instead. Just as we go into a well guarded zoo to see ferocious animals, Jafar should be allowed into here for the occasional foray. It will keep us all aware of the nature of the beat.

Posted by: seeteufel at April 12, 2008 2:16 PM

Sorry, my s is a little stuck. I meant beast.

Posted by: seeteufel at April 12, 2008 2:31 PM

Gotta admire the pluck of this little girl. Eight years old and she takes this case to court on her own.

Posted by: traeh at April 12, 2008 10:34 PM

a note from the imprisoned husband:

"“Yes I was intimate with her, but I have done nothing wrong, as she is my wife and I have the right and no one can stop me," he said."

unfortuntly this muslim slimeball is right, he has every islamic right to his immature wife, after all he paid for her. But above all he is only following the example of the perfect man , muhammed. He is practicing true islam, the perfect religion, he is practicing what allah said to muhammed. The only reason her case is known is because there are still muslims in Yeman worried about the opinions of the west. Good thing her case is known otherwise her husband would have tied her up in a dark room until her spirit was broken and she turned into another zombie muslima, just like muhammed's young wife Ayesha.

Posted by: desidude at April 12, 2008 11:52 PM

“I asked and begged my mother, father, and aunt to help me to get divorced. They answered, ‘We can do nothing. If you want you can go to court by yourself.’ So this is what I have done,” she said.
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My God, what a brave child. She got no support or protection from any of the "adults" in her life.

I was also molested at the age of eight--it was my mother's boyfriend--and also got no support from any adults in my life at the time.

This was horrifying. However, it was not compounded by sanction by my government, my culture or my religion. Later, I left home and made my own, decent life.

I also fear for this child's future. Even if she is not forced to remain "married" to this violent pedophile, she clearly is not safe with her father, and her mother and aunt are not standing up for her, either.

The only hope is the judge, who is at least hearing the case, and her lawyer.

She is far braver, more decent and more mature than any of the "grownups" back home.

Posted by: gravenimage at April 13, 2008 12:58 AM

from a posting above:

What kind of vows do mahomaden marriages have? I promise to use you, to rule over you, to beat you when I am angry and to marry other women if I feel like it?

A poster from India once posted here on JW what the vows are: the father of the bride asks the groom (the wife is not asked) 'do you agree to the f*kcing of my daughter?'- and if the bride price is paid they will accompany bride and groom to the bedroom, lock them in and a while later a bloody linen is presented for proof of virginity.

That's it.

Who's got the link?

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at April 13, 2008 1:10 AM

An article by Parvin Darabi on islam - watch.

http://www.islam-watch.org/LeavingIslam/ParvinDarabi.htm

Posted by: arjun.sevak at April 13, 2008 4:58 AM

Any marriage involving a prepubescent child should not be recognized by anywhere in the world as valid.

Any marriage in which one party (the girl) was not even present, and did not give consent, should not be recognized as valid.

Both should go without saying. But Yemen is an Islamic hellhole among hellholes. I pray and wish the best for this brave little girl, but the best hope for her would be to be adopted by a loving family and taken away from the cesspool in which she was born, to be raised and allowed to resume her horribly damaged childhood in a civilized country that protects children from sexual abuse and recognizes women as equals to men, not cattle. Sadly, it's not likely to happen.

Posted by: angloirishslav at April 13, 2008 5:00 AM

What chilling words from the Parvin Darabi piece, posted by arjun.sevak:

'Girls condemned to death penalty may not undergo the sentence as long as they are virgin. Thus they are systematically raped before the sentence is executed.

"To rape women prisoners, especially virgin girls, who are accused of being against the regime, is a normal and daily practice in the Islamic Republic's prisons, and by doing so, the clergies declare that they adhere to the merits of the Islamic principles and laws, preventing a virgin girl to go to Heaven. Mullahs believe that these are ungodly creatures and they do not deserve it, therefore they are raped to be sure they will be sent to hell". The report of the Special Representative of the Commission of the Human Rights of the United Nations in the Islamic Republic of Iran, 1992.'

This "religion" leaves a bit to be desired in the moral precepts department, doesn't it?

(It also makes one wonder just where those heavenly virgins promised to homicide bombers come from.)

Posted by: Vee at April 13, 2008 10:48 AM

jafar;

Are you afraid of independent women? Apparently so. Noone is allowed to use violence in a relationship, but when is happens it is obviously more common that men beat women than the other way around. I guess in some cases men who have been beaten by their wives have a hard time being taken seriously by the authorities. However that does NOT mean that it is legal for a woman to beat a man in the Western world.

Anyway, you are obviously trying to draw attention away from the issues;

1: That forced childmarriages are quite common in the Muslim world.

2: That these marriages are sanctioned by the Quran / Hadith

3: That the prophet Mohammad enjoyed such a relationship with a little girl himself.

Posted by: seville844 at April 13, 2008 11:47 AM

Jafar would remind one of Charlie Chaplin except he is a believer in the nonsensical ravings of a psychotic misfit who had acute paranoidial dreams. Haha Jafar why would anyone bother answering you? You obviously lack the education to understand the answer. Go back to your sandbox and keep those hands where we can see them.

Posted by: lonewolf at April 14, 2008 10:40 AM

I just wanted to remind everyone who is reading this that it is not part of the Muslim religion to force an 8 year old girl to get married and abused in this way. There are, and will always be, extremists who believe that what they are doing is religiously correct. One is able to marry after they have reached puberty in order to avoid making sins. When we hear about wrong things from the middle east, everyone assumes that it is because Islam is a corrupt religion and that it is terrorizing, but what they fail to realize is that the culture present in the middle east is what's causing the trouble. I come from a cultural middle eastern family and I love my religion (alhamdulilah), and nothing in the world could make me change my opinion. I'm not very fond of my culture, on the other hand, because it can be too overprotective over females.

Posted by: s0nitab0nita at April 15, 2008 8:19 PM

Update

"Yemeni girl, 8, gets divorce after forced marriage"

Posted by: Kinana of Khaybar at April 16, 2008 12:16 AM

Posted by: s0nitab0nita: I just wanted to remind everyone who is reading this that it is not part of the Muslim religion to force an 8 year old girl to get married and abused in this way. There are, and will always be, extremists who believe that what they are doing is religiously correct. One is able to marry after they have reached puberty in order to avoid making sins. When we hear about wrong things from the middle east, everyone assumes that it is because Islam is a corrupt religion and that it is terrorizing, but what they fail to realize is that the culture present in the middle east is what's causing the trouble. I come from a cultural middle eastern family and I love my religion (alhamdulilah), and nothing in the world could make me change my opinion. I'm not very fond of my culture, on the other hand, because it can be too overprotective over females.

Funny how many extremists you have in the ME.

As for you never changing your opinion, I think you may just have revealed the real reason why islam is incompatible with civilized society. Can't cahnge, won't change. Isn't islam driving 'culture' in the ME and in other areas given that it's a complete life system, not just a religion?

Posted by: Abu_Lahab at April 16, 2008 7:08 AM