Psychopaths. A whole society, a whole culture of psychopaths. This is beyond simple murder. This starts to look like ritual human sacrifice.

Women must be killed as Punishment if they overstep the rules. Then, the rules are set up so that it's in fact virtually impossible for a woman to be pure enough, perfect enough, obedient enough...while the male Enforcers of the Rules are programmed to be hypersensitive, viciously eager to suspect and to believe the worst..and thus, over and over, a victim is found, and the ritual murder is duly performed.

How do the women stay sane, in a society in which, between one second and the next, their brother, their father, their son, their uncle, (and yes, on occasion, other women, too, even their own mother) can suddenly be transformed, on the flimsiest of pretexts, into a merciless and murderous Judge, Jury, and Executioner?

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at April 27, 2008 8:11 AM

Psychopaths. A whole society, a whole culture of psychopaths. This is beyond simple murder. This starts to look like ritual human sacrifice.

Women must be killed as Punishment if they overstep the rules. Then, the rules are set up so that it's in fact virtually impossible for a woman to be pure enough, perfect enough, obedient enough...while the male Enforcers of the Rules are programmed to be hypersensitive, viciously eager to suspect and to believe the worst..and thus, over and over, a victim is found, and the ritual murder is duly performed.

How do the women stay sane, in a society in which, between one second and the next, their brother, their father, their son, their uncle, (and yes, on occasion, other women, too, even their own mother) can suddenly be transformed, on the flimsiest of pretexts, into a merciless and murderous Judge, Jury, and Executioner?

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at April 27, 2008 8:17 AM

"The court referred to a medical report that said "her hymen was broken" and to the "defendants' honourable motivation".

..and just how did the Islamic murders determine that?...are Muslim women subject to family ob/gyn inspections everytime they leave home...

or did the Muslim men fear the young women actually loved a blonde hair, blue eyed one...

Islam is so retarded..and yet our s*** for brains governments keep letting these people in...aaaaarrrrrgggg...

Posted by: pulsar182 at April 27, 2008 8:24 AM

Sorry about the double posting.

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at April 27, 2008 8:27 AM

The report needs rewording.

Every time the word honour appears, it should be in quotation marks - 'honour'.

Every time the word 'kill' or 'killed' or 'killing' appears, replace it with the appropriate form of the word 'murder'.

The words 'Kurdish' and 'tribal' are not sufficient on their own to explain the cultural context. Wherever they appear they should have been rendered as 'Kurdish Muslim' and 'tribal Muslim'.

For 'religious leaders in Kurdistan' read 'Muslim clerics in Kurdistan' - since I am quite, quite sure that the Assyrian Catholic and Orthodox priests, and Evangelical Christian pastors, of the Christian minority community resident within Kurdistan, would never sanction such behaviour.

Apologists for Islam may claim that such practices are 'pre-islamic' or 'cultural' - but 'honour' murders seem to happen much, much more frequently within Muslim communities (be those communities Arab Muslim [Jordanian, Egyptian - Amina and Sarah!], Kurdish Muslim, Pakistani Muslim, Persian Muslim [Aqsa Parvez, may Yeshua bless her innocent soul], Somali Muslim, Sudanese Muslim) than within non-Muslim families from the same regions and similar ethno-linguistic background.

And given that Islam has been so ruthlessly efficient at squashing all sorts of pre-Islamic customs within its domains, one must assume that if it had wanted to stop 'honour' murders (or, for that matter, FGM) it could readily have done so.

Aside: there was an interesting forum in Frontpage recently, focusing on the meaning of the niqab or burqa, but - I think - relevant to this subject of the ritual murder of women that is so prevalent in Islamised societies.

Check it out.

http://frontpagemagazine.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=118F9624-B318-4C86-AA6F-BBAC6D0289FA

It includes this quote from psychologist Nancy Kobrin, on why the Muslim women cover up:

"But what are these women’s terrors? My hunch is that it is quite simple but deadly serious – they are terrified of being murdered by their own because they live under a death threat."

THEY ARE TERRIFIED OF BEING MURDERED. THEY LIVE UNDER A DEATH THREAT. And isn't that the truth.

Another panelist, David Gutmann, a professor of psychology, made an observation directly pertinent to the news item Mr Spencer has posted here:

"Islamic immigrants to the West want to take advantage of its higher living standards, and political freedoms; but they do not want their women to be liberated along with them.

" In their thinking, female political and social liberation ultimately leads to the dreaded outcome of sexual liberation, and to the emergence of the sexually omnivorous woman."

"Accordingly, Islamic leaders want to change the customs and legal structures of host countries so that patriarchal controls over women will be maintained, for the comfort and psychological security of the Muslim male, in otherwise egalitarian and democratic societies. '

"The Islamic leadership is in effect demanding that liberal societies tailor their laws and institutions to create, or recreate, the social ecology of intense sexual repression that the "patriarchs" left behind when they migrated westwards."

Given Gutmann's observation leads one to conclude that it is imperative that, whenever Muslim males living within a 'western' society are caught, as the Atroshi clan were in this story, murdering women in the name of a purely illusory 'honour', which is in fact merely their own lust for power and domination over others, then the Infidel Law should NOT make any allowances at all, should not give one sweet d**n about their selfish and twisted obsession with their miserable 'honour', but should, instead, come down upon them like a ton of bricks.

These Muslim murderers of defenceless women should have their noses rubbed in the fact that in OUR societies men who cold-bloodedly murder their own wives, daughters, cousins, nieces and sisters are DESPISED. Not honoured. Not treated as heroes, but despised, spat upon, viewed with utter disgust, as not fit to be in civilised society.

If they're here, they abide by our rules...OR ELSE.

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at April 27, 2008 9:13 AM

Someone pleeeeeze tell me again the difference between Kurds and all the other Muslms. A Kurdish homeland? A Kurdustan? Same stuff different day.

Posted by: Pelayo at April 27, 2008 3:10 PM

Here are a couple ideas:

1. Why don't we start economically boycotting countries that continue to treat their women like this and the companies that do business with them? We could do for women what the boycott of South Africa did for blacks when they were living under apartheid.

2. Why don't we write to our representatives and leaders and demand that they withhold some meaningful portion of our aid to these countries unless and until they materially, measurably, sustainably improve their human rights track records?

Ellen R. Sheeley, Author
"Reclaiming Honor in Jordan"

Posted by: ERS at April 27, 2008 3:28 PM

" "The decision to kill her was made by a council of male relatives"

and it appears they all agreed...spineless morons..

Posted by: pulsar182 at April 27, 2008 4:16 PM

Let us see.

A non-Muslim kills his daughter with the male members of the family's approval and he gets at least 20 years in jail along with the rest of the family.

A Muslim kills he daughter with the male members of the family's approval and he gets a slap on the wrist. It was his "honor" at stake.

And we are suppose to call this Equal Justice Under the Law?

Give me a break!

Posted by: Mystical Time Traveler at April 27, 2008 5:00 PM

Christians talk to, pray for and encourage our immoral relatives to live moral lives. We don't kill our women, because we love them.

This is why Muslims must use death threats against Muslims marrying Christians and Jews. It is because we make better husbands and we have more loving families.

Everyone who participated or who knew about this event and did nothing should be in prison then expelled from the country. Along with any other people who believe in honour killings. Why the hell are we even having to deal with people like this in our countries?

Posted by: James Martel at April 27, 2008 5:41 PM

Where are the feminists rallying in the streets when authorities are talking of widespread murder of young women and forced suicides by these retarded Muslim cultures.

"In Sweden there is a development now called balcony suicide," she said, adding the deaths were really camouflaged honour killings.

Inspector Algamo said her research into honour crimes had been difficult.

"So many murders, so many girls who fall from the balcony, so many false suicides," she said.

"There is huge pressure on girls to take their own lives. They don't have the right to their own bodies, because their bodies are owned by the clan."

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,23599670-2,00.html

Posted by: James Martel at April 27, 2008 5:46 PM

General Charles Napier:
"...Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours.”

Build the gallows. Do it now.

Posted by: RalphInfidel at April 27, 2008 9:50 PM

On the question of the suffering of female muslims...Vale Pamela Bone -- a wonderful and fearless Australian journalist who did not fear to expose the cruelty of Islam and raise questions as to why western feminisists were so silent in the face of so much misery in their Islamic sisters' lives. SHe was in process of writing a book on Women and Islam. SHe had it to first draft stage. I hope and pray that her publishers will tidy it up and put it out there.

Posted by: jewcat at April 28, 2008 12:39 AM

..and just how did the Islamic murders determine that?...are Muslim women subject to family ob/gyn inspections everytime they leave home...

Posted by: pulsar182

Just answering your question pulsar182. Yes, "they" are subjected to gyn inspections every once in a while. By other females of the household.

Posted by: arjun.sevak at April 28, 2008 3:33 AM

What happend to the Muslim man who raped Pela? He is the one who raped their honor. Is he hailed as a Muslim hero?

Welcome to Sharia that hails rapist and murderers as Islamic heroes.

Posted by: Lebanese at April 28, 2008 11:05 AM

These "men" are so incredibly frightened of women!

Posted by: Abscedere at April 28, 2008 4:01 PM

"honor has been cleansed" ???

He should have said "our dishonor is now proven."

Posted by: desert dweller at April 28, 2008 9:38 PM

An internal civil war between muslim men and women is the only thing that can change their culture of depravity and murder. The world would look on as muslim men mass murder all of their female relatives. I watched a documentary on an iranian serial killer and he targeted female prostitutes. One woman was forced by her husband to become a prostitute so he could feed his drug habit. All the men who were interviewed considered this killer to be a holy and righteous man and they all praised what he did. He eventually was hung but his son said that he might carry on his father's work.

Posted by: imamerican at April 28, 2008 10:31 PM