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And they did nothing, while the house next door to the convert's was burned down. What kind of protection is Hussein receiving now, if any? British authorities should see the protection of this man and his family as a matter of national identity and national survival. But of course, they do not, and given the enveloping multiculturalist fog, they will not.
"British Muslim 'bullied' for converting to Christianity," by Ruth Gledhill for the Times (thanks to MFM):
A British citizen who converted to Christianity from Islam and then complained to police when locals threatened to burn his house down was told by officers to “stop being a crusader”, according to a new report.Nissar Hussein, 43, from Bradford, West Yorkshire, who was born and raised in Britain, converted from Islam to Christianity with his wife, Qubra, in 1996. The report says that he was subjected to a number of attacks and, after being told that his house would be burnt down if he did not repent and return to Islam, reported the threat to the police. It says he was told that such threats were rarely carried out and the police officer told him to “stop being a crusader and move to another place”. A few days later the unoccupied house next door was set on fire.
Christian Solidarity Worldwide, a British human rights organisation whose president is the former Cabinet minister Jonathan Aitken, is calling on the UN and the international community to take action against nations and communities that punish apostasy.
Its report, No Place to Call Home, claims that apostates from Islam are subject to “gross and wideranging human rights abuses”. It adds that in countries such as Britain, with large Muslim populations in a Westernised culture, the demand to maintain a Muslim identity is intense. “When identities are precarious, their enforcement will take an aggressive form.”
Posted by Robert at April 28, 2008 6:39 AM
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A case in miniature of what's going to happen to all of England.
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at April 28, 2008 6:58 AM
Nothing I've read in this web-site for the last couple of months has made me angrier than the police response to this man's plight. He should be sacked immediately....but of course, he won't be. That's a fate reserved only for those who injure the feelings of "protected" minorities.
Robert has never been more cogent than here:
"British authorities should see the protection of this man and his family as a matter of national identity and national survival."
at April 28, 2008 7:01 AM
What do you expect from Bradford? It's a place with an incredibly high Islamic population. Apostatizing from Islam in that place, is sort of like apostatizing in an Islamic state.
It's likely that the police which the man went to see, were Muslims themselves, given the demographics of Bradford. This could potentially be a wake up call about 'Muslim police'.
Posted by: Rogster at April 28, 2008 7:13 AM
Christian Solidarity Worldwide, a British human rights organisation whose president is the former Cabinet minister Jonathan Aitken, is calling on the UN and the international community to take action against nations and communities that punish apostasy.
The UN? A former Cabinet minister, one Jonathan Aitken, is calling on the UN and the international community?
This explains why nothing can be done in the UK about this nonesense.
Between Aitken and a former Prime Minister who "gets angery everytime (he) hears islamic terrorists" because in his view "islamic" and "terrorists" are separate issues, the real British people have no legal representation or protection in their own country.
Why do the people refuse to anything about this? Do they not care? Are they too scared to retake control? The islamic terrorists don't seem to be afraid to usurp power -- to the courageous go the spoils I suppose.
at April 28, 2008 7:14 AM
What we see in England with Muslims coming to faith in Christ will be like what took place during the Roman empire and the Christian Church in the catacombs.
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at April 28, 2008 7:54 AM
'the police officer told him to “stop being a crusader and move to another place”'
If this is an accurate transcription of what was said I'd lay down money that the police officer was a Muslim.
I'd advise anyone visiting police stations like this to bring along an MP3 recorder.
Posted by: Brett_McS at April 28, 2008 7:57 AM
How can a cult so weak that it has to physically threaten its members to keep them in the fold be in a position to take over the likes of Western Europe?
Oh, that's right, the institutions and culture of Western Europe are now dominated by the puerile, multi-culti left. Silly me.
Posted by: Brett_McS at April 28, 2008 8:03 AM
"What we see in England with Muslims coming to faith in Christ will be like what took place during the Roman empire and the Christian Church in the catacombs"
BigCatGirl...sorry to tell you but relying upon pacifism, the humanitarian ideals of christ's teaching and waiting for the indoctrinated islamic masses to see the converting christian light it like lighting a match underwater: impossible and poijntless. They depend upon violence, they always have and they always will. They only respect greater violence and then out of fear.
Gandhi and the Roman christians had their counterparts in all countries occupied by islam and they all died a horrible, unknown and essentially pointless death.
Islam converts to christianity give hope as they show that there are still those few who can rise above 1400 years of brainwashing but depending upon them to stem the tide is very dangerous as the 7th century showed that Islam is not defeated by benevolence.
Posted by: MisIslamist at April 28, 2008 8:17 AM
I just realised that the "crusader" comment almost certainly came from a Muslim cop and that this constable should be sacked.
Posted by: MisIslamist at April 28, 2008 8:20 AM
If this were a poor, helpless, intimidated "Asian" being harassed by Christians in the same neighborhood, the BBC and Reuters would be setting up shop on the block to villify the nativist bigots, have fundraisers for the innocent, set-upon Mohammedans, the House of Commons would reintroduce failed hatecrime legislation to suppress criticism of the Koran, and world opinion would be mobilized by the UN (via the Saudis) to condemn such evil and shameful Islamophobia.
But, as long as it's just a member of the currently-dominant society being terrorized, the sounds of silence.
Posted by: profitsbeard at April 28, 2008 8:48 AM
Brett_McS
"If this is an accurate transcription of what was said I'd lay down money that the police officer was a Muslim."
Not necessarily the British police are sensitive about minorities generally but absolutely terrified of Muslims.
About three years ago the BBC (who else?) ran a documentary exposing the “appalling levels of racism” in the police forces of north-west England. To do this an investigative reporter joined the police for 18 months and in that time encouraged his “colleagues” to make appropriate racist comments which he recorded and filmed using a hidden camera. If I remember rightly he got 11 police officers fired mostly for admitting to targeting Asian motorists. Naturally the fact that “Asians” are notorious for ignoring the law in general and motoring laws in particular was not considered worth mentioning. What is worth mentioning is that one of the dismissed officers he was encouraging to make the necessary comments for his expose said on camera that blacks “are not a problem”.
Coincidentally the day after this was broadcast some “Asian” youths attacked a house in which some British students were living by hurling a heavy object through the front window and running away. When the police were called and the culprits identified as the “Asian” lads who hung around the halal takeaway the response can only be described as abject terror. They explained how they were getting windows smashed all over town that night and it was not “Asians” just something due to the dry weather.
As to the treatment of Muslims converting to Christianity that is nothing new either. Our regional television station once interviewed a Muslim girl in her mid-thirties who had not only Westernised her dress but converted to Christianity. I think she was driven out of the area when her father arrived at her home with 50 of his neighbours. As I recall police were not interested then either and the only support she got was from Christian friends.
Posted by: Fred at April 28, 2008 9:52 AM
Brett_McS
"If this is an accurate transcription of what was said I'd lay down money that the police officer was a Muslim."
Not necessarily the British police are sensitive about minorities generally but absolutely terrified of Muslims.
About three years ago the BBC (who else?) ran a documentary exposing the “appalling levels of racism” in the police forces of north-west England. To do this an investigative reporter joined the police for 18 months and in that time encouraged his “colleagues” to make appropriate racist comments which he recorded and filmed using a hidden camera. If I remember rightly he got 11 police officers fired mostly for admitting to targeting Asian motorists. Naturally the fact that “Asians” are notorious for ignoring the law in general and motoring laws in particular was not considered worth mentioning. What is worth mentioning is that one of the dismissed officers he was encouraging to make the necessary comments for his expose said on camera that blacks “are not a problem”.
Coincidentally the day after this was broadcast some “Asian” youths attacked a house in which some British students were living by hurling a heavy object through the front window and running away. When the police were called and the culprits identified as the “Asian” lads who hung around the halal takeaway the response can only be described as abject terror. They explained how they were getting windows smashed all over town that night and it was not “Asians” just something due to the dry weather.
As to the treatment of Muslims converting to Christianity that is nothing new either. Our regional television station once interviewed a Muslim girl in her mid-thirties who had not only Westernised her dress but converted to Christianity. I think she was driven out of the area when her father arrived at her home with 50 of his neighbours. As I recall police were not interested then either and the only support she got was from Christian friends.
Posted by: Fred at April 28, 2008 9:53 AM
I guess the woman should be grateful her father didn't cut her throat and bury her in a shallow grave for her "sin."
Posted by: undaunted at April 28, 2008 9:56 AM
People have a right to practice their religion, but people equally have the right to leave a religion or have no religion.
I am a Christian, however if people want to leave, that is their loss.
As for this poor chap, he might consider moving to an area where there are less Muslims. If this is not an option, getting a couple really big dogs would be a good choice, along with video cameras.
Immigrants who do not respect religious freedom should be expelled from the UK, whether Muslim, Christian or Hindu or whatever.
Posted by: James Martel at April 28, 2008 10:37 AM
The police criminalizing the victims of hate crimes is becoming endemic. In Philly, when the police, in an effort to lower the crime rate in the city, decided to not investigate rapes and murders and robberies, they called it going down with crime. They did it for tourism, since many of the rapes and robberies were being waged on tourists in the hotels of center city. The media exposed the fraud, but who knows if the citizens can ever trust the police again. What will happen if people stop going to the police once they figure out that they will be made to look like the criminals?
Posted by: Jewel Atkins at April 28, 2008 11:24 AM
I`d bet my bottom Euro that the officer in question is in fact a white,indigenous Briton.He`s no doubt disillusioned.His aspirations of making a difference,cowed by political correctness,overwhelming red tape,mountains of paperwork and the emasculation of common sense.
He has no understanding of Islamic doctrines,but is aware that he is not the law in these Muslim enclaves.
On arriving home, mentally drained,he`ll crack open a can of Stella,and half heartedly peruse the job vacancy`s in his local paper.But he`ll back on the front line again tomorrow,because he knows that surely the country that he truly loves,and which has made him the fine upstanding man he is,will eventually wake up to whatever has regressed it.
He,and the apostate he dismissed,are both victims of the leftists,the Islamists and the universal declaration of human rights.And the beat goes on :)
at April 28, 2008 12:35 PM
I would bet that the police officer concerned is NOT a Muslim.
Nowadays the UK police mostly act for the state. Since the state's official doctrine is the promotion of multiculturalism and the oppression of the host culture, it is perfectly logical for the police to have a bias towards non-British cultures - particularly Islam of course because Muslims shout the loudest.
This PDF document illustrates the government's - and therefore the police's - obsession with race. In the document search for "Home Office" and you will find this statement:
The Home Office has set target figures for all police forces for the recruitment of members of minority ethnic staff
In other words, your skin colour is a factor in deciding whether or not you get the job.
By the way, am I the only one who finds the term "hate crime" really annoying?
Posted by: watling at April 28, 2008 12:53 PM
There was an excellent program yesterday on BBC Radio 4 entitled “Could I stop being a Muslim?”
A former Muslim asked various Muslim groups within Britain and in most cases the answer was no – the penalty is death.
Available here
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/religion/pip/2fcan/
Despite the fact that incitement to murder is a crime under British Law.
What is wrong with our law enforcement officers?
Religious people are allowed to use religious laws to deal with issues provided they do not break the law of the land.
I.e. Jews or Catholics are allowed to use religious laws to deal with an issue such as marriage or divorce but not incitement to murder.
Gordon Brown and his useless government should resign NOW.
at April 28, 2008 4:25 PM
By the way, am I the only one who finds the term "hate crime" really annoying?
Posted by: watling at April 28, 2008 12:53 PM
watling,
No, you're not. Further, I find the term dangerous, as well.
Posted by: Abscedere at April 28, 2008 4:47 PM
bigcatgirl13106 is right. As a secularist I never thought I would be glad to see a mass movement towards evangelistic Christianity but since this is Islam we are talking about there is no question as to whether this is a good thing. While the various types of secular views are spreading in the Muslim world, both in the immigrant West and the Islamic nations, they have nothing on Christianity for rate of growth. Pointing out the areas where Islam is bleeding is not the same as advocating pacifism - I don't know what bigcatgirl advocates but Islam's demographic advantage is waning fast, it is loosing adherents at an accelerating rate and further efforts to support these trends need to be engaged. Time is essential.
Posted by: Saul Wall at April 28, 2008 9:38 PM
IMHO a lot of you are missing the point re the term "crusader".
It is used here in a disparaging way and that is purely the resource of Muslims as no amount of political correctness brainwashing will inflict the use of these terms upon a westerner as it has no really disparaging connotations attached to it in its western use.
I think that he was a Muslim cop(as the apostate probably looked like a muslim and they usually delegate like for like.
Posted by: MisIslamist at April 28, 2008 9:38 PM
If you were an apostate from Islam, where would be the best place to live?
I'd say, probably Australia, with Sydney, and Cronulla in the Sutherland Shire as the best place where you could rely on the local population to protect you.
Because it's not just the police, but it's the local people whom you need to protect you.
Posted by: Voltaire at April 28, 2008 9:48 PM
The "Stop being a crusader" comment of the police is sickening, but not too surprising, knowing what we do about what's happening in the UK.
I'm no great fan of the aggressively evangelical, but people have the right to opeinly show, practice, and talk about their faith. Christians who do this in the UK and elsewhere in Europe are increasingly vilified and accused of being "crusaders", with all the deliberately negative implications that go with the word. The same people who crap on Christianity usually are the same ones who won't say a word against the jihadists, and, in many cases, actively enable them.
Someone should gently remind them, yet again, of the basic difference between even the most annoyingly persistent Christian evangelical and a by-the-book jihadist: one will only pray for you if you refuse to convert, the other will kill you.
Posted by: angloirishslav at April 28, 2008 11:15 PM
So according to current police policy,apostasy from Islam is tantamount to waging a "crusade" against the community comprising that former belief system.
What are they slipping in the tea during those diversity sessions? One could swear it's almost the old "we know your children's routine" spiel. At least that would make sense.
Posted by: We need G.C. Scott at April 29, 2008 1:18 AM
Isn't this the kind of treatment that Cristiano Allam (f/k/a "Magdi Allam") was talking about in his statement made after his Baptism by Pope Benedict XVI? It seems that it is not just the English but sadly even the late great Oriana's brethren (and my cugini) in Italia who offer little safe haven for converts from Islam.
And secularist posters should NOT confuse Christianity with pacifism. There are certain pacifist sects such as Quakers and Amish to be sure, but we Roman Catholics fought like hell at Tours, Lepanto and Vienna. No responsible Roman Catholic nor Anglican who truly understood his religion would counsel this convert not to defend himself and his family from home invaders, street muggers, rapists, let alone "submit" once again to jihadist thugs and murderers. Blame the multiculti's, the politically correct police and the gun grabbers if this guy gets offed, not R.C.'s who truly understand their theology.
Posted by: bevc at April 29, 2008 11:05 AM
"...Islam's demographic advantage is waning fast, it is loosing adherents at an accelerating rate..."
Posted by: Saul Wall
I hope this is true and not just wishful thinking. Do you have data to back this up?
Posted by: Eastview at April 29, 2008 1:30 PM
Bradford says it all! If they had their way it would be renamed to Bradforstan or something similar.
Sadly for them it will never happen.
The 3 "main" parties in the UK are now seriously worried about the massive upsurge in support for The BNP. The decent people of the UK have had enough of "multiculturalism" and want an end to both it, and endless immigration.
Watch out at the 1st May council polls, I bet the BNP do OK in Bradford!!
at April 29, 2008 2:19 PM
"I would bet that the police officer concerned is NOT a Muslim" - Watling. I wouldn't wager too much money on that, if I were you.
The use of the word "Crusader" is a give away. As a Brit myself I can say that we have generally completely forgotten the Crusades (they were, when all is said and done, around 1000 years ago). Only Muslims keep going on about them.
Posted by: Paul at April 29, 2008 3:58 PM
"Only Muslims keep going on about them."
Yes the bully never forgets when one of his targets finally hits back.
I always remember a TV discussion panel amongst australia's religious leaders in the early 80s when there were almost none of the sods out here.
The imam said:" we are not a pacifist religion. we strike back and sometimes we strike first".
Wouldn't he cop it now for speaking an islamic truth out alound and in english?
at April 30, 2008 12:06 PM
"Stop being a crusader" - according to new British PC-speak, sounds like a "racist" comment... and it certainly is if OTHERS perceive it to be.
Perhaps if the Police actually were made to know how "offensive" their words were and made to pay a big compensation payout, that would encourage them to make their "non-discrimination" laws also apply to the Kuffar...
However, for a lengthy legal case, time, money and good, determined lawyers are required. Therefore could not an association of lawyers be formed, like the "association of Socialist lawyers" which defended the people from McDonald's in the libel action in the 90s?
If that were the case, and/or if more funding could be found, a lot more of these cases could work their way to the high court and get more prominence, and remind Britain's PC authorities of their actual duty. And maybe, a little tiny bit, start to turn the momentum around...
Posted by: AntiJihadist at May 1, 2008 6:17 AM
"Stop being a crusader" - according to new British PC-speak, sounds like a "racist" comment... and it certainly is if OTHERS perceive it to be.
Perhaps if the Police actually were made to know how "offensive" their words were and made to pay a big compensation payout, that would encourage them to make their "non-discrimination" laws also apply to the Kuffar...
However, for a lengthy legal case, time, money and good, determined lawyers are required. Therefore could not an association of lawyers be formed, like the "association of Socialist lawyers" which defended the two environmental activists from McDonald's in the libel action in the 90s?
If that were the case, and/or if more funding could be found, a lot more of these cases could work their way to the high court and get more prominence, and remind Britain's PC authorities of their actual duty. And maybe, a little tiny bit, start to turn the momentum around...
Posted by: AntiJihadist at May 1, 2008 6:18 AM
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