Stupid move. Submission, in fact.

Posted by: FreeSpeech at May 3, 2008 7:30 AM

Padua: leading in anti-dhimmitude: Vive la Resistance!

http://sheikyermami.com/2008/05/03/muslims-feel-under-siege-as-italian-right-sets-up-town-vigilante-groups/

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at May 3, 2008 7:40 AM

When will these idiots learn?
Mos Muslims must be rolling in the aisles laughing.

Posted by: MisIslamist at May 3, 2008 7:56 AM

""Immigrants are welcome in our country, ..."

Why?...they have done very little to improve the country, but they certainly have created slums, raised havoc, increased the crime rate, made numerous violent protests, put the nation in a paranoid state of mind, instilled fear in honest hard working people of every level and have begun in depleting the welfare funds and benefits from the real intended receipients.

Time to re-think those insipid immigration policies.

Posted by: pulsar182 at May 3, 2008 8:18 AM

""Immigrants are welcome in our country, ..."

Why?...they have done very little to improve the country, but they certainly have created slums, raised havoc, increased the crime rate, made numerous violent protests, put the nation in a paranoid state of mind, instilled fear in honest hard working people of every level and have begun in depleting the welfare funds and benefits from the real intended receipients.
--pulsar 182

Really. Poor Italy.

Posted by: darcy at May 3, 2008 8:48 AM

"We have translated the constitution to increase immigrants' awareness of the laws that govern civic life in Italy."

This is assuming that most of them can read.
I'm sure this publication will become very popular in Italy. Every literate muslim immigrant will want one. They are anxious to blend into Italian life, and obey Italian laws, and become good Italian citizens. Once they learn how to live with Italian law, they can throw away Sharia. Under Italian law
you can drink wine and dance, Italians do that all the time. Italians know how to have a good time.
Under Italian law, muslims will also be allowed to have a good time. A mental condition unknown in most of Islam. People who are having a good time seldom riot. That's why you see few Italian riots.
This translation gives the muslim immigrant the opportunity to be a happy immigrant. A happy muslim, immigrant will assimilate, and be a productive member of Italian society...Yep...

Posted by: duh_swami at May 3, 2008 8:57 AM

I do not know the truth in this, but I've heard that fewer books have been translated into Arabic over the last 1000 years than are translated into Spanish every year. The spirit of it certainly is, that Islam thrives among the ignorant, and its true believers fear knowledge. This is not particularly earth-shaking for Italy, but right it right. I have not read the Italy's constitution, but certainly its legal system is superior to Sharia. Is the American constitution available in Arabic? The Declaration of Independence? Somewhere, someone might read them and realize the superiority of the ideas contained therein.

Posted by: Quijybo at May 3, 2008 9:50 AM

They should translate Casanova into Arabic.....that might help.

Posted by: johndoe at May 3, 2008 9:58 AM

"welcome immigrants..."

Nonsense. That may once have been true. And there are still, here and there, pockets of sentimentality, about how "Italians were immigrants in America, Australia, Argentina" and so we, Italians in Italy, should "treat immigrants to Italy well." But the Italians who emigrated to America, Australia, Argentina, went not to disrupt, but to work like dogs, as stonemasons building in Boston and New York, as cowboys on the pampas, as herders in Australia, as fishermen everywhere. They did not go to change the societies that permitted them in, they went, with a very few, but greatly publicized exceptions, to work.

This cannot be said for all of the immigrants flooding into Italy today. Some still are welcome, such as the Filipinos -- Christians -- who often work as maids and caretakers. But many of those from Albania and Rumania, and almost all of the the Muslim immigrants from North Africa and the Middle East, have contributed greatly to the increasing crime rates, mess of the vu-cumpra tribe. No one who gets beyond the grandest tourist hotels, and who notes the flourishing the drug trade (with lots of Arabs mixed up in it), that preys on the young all over Italy, and so many are lost to it, or looks at the sex trade, with those prostitutes (many with Albanian pimps) and viados (in the past, Brazilians, but now predominately Nigerians) all over the place, would not share this sentiment.

And the mosques, rising steadily and inexorably in the most purely Italian of places. Oriana Fallaci used to go into a frenzy as she thought of the mosque planned for the Val di Col d'Elsa --a beautiful place in the heart of Tuscany -- which would, had it gone up (I don't think it yet has) would be like putting a mosque right beside the rude bridge in Concord, which -- if Muslims could, they would certainly attempt, as a statement: We Are Here, We Are Here To Stay, There Is Nothing You Can Do About It.

Somewhere along the line many people in the West have gotten it into their heads that they, uniquely, are supposed to take in, or to refrain from booting out, those whose customs and manners are completely unlike their own, and who arrive purely in order to batten on the locals. And still worse, many in in the West believe that they must accept, must do nothing to keep out or remove from their midst, those who come, bearing in their mental baggage an ideology that makes them permanently hostile to the denizens of the Weset, hostile to their social arrangements, hostile to their legal and political institutions, hostile to everything that makes the West the West.

That notion of unlimited, and suicidal, openness and hospitality has to come to an end. Some immigrants can become part of the West. And some cannot -- Muslims are not, to the extent that they remain full-fledged Muslims, committed to the texts and tenets, and reflecting the real, not feigned, attitudes of Islam, are simply not going to be integrated, nor to be integrable, and the Western world needs to realize this, now and not when it is too late.

Posted by: Hugh at May 3, 2008 10:02 AM

Methinks Berlusconi et al will plug the dam. In particular, in the north, there is now some open resistance....see Sheikh Yermami's link to the Times article about Padova...home of Giotto's groundbreaking frescoes in the Scrovegni Chapel...not something all these immigrants have much time or respect for.
The Lega Nord are getting more and more support. However, south of Ferrara there is rather too much Dolce Vita and not enough crusading spirit...but it will come.

Posted by: johndoe at May 3, 2008 10:16 AM

There will be one simple use the Muslim colonizers of Italy will make of this printing:

Islamic toilet paper.

(Better print that Constitution on something soft and absorbent or there will complaints from the bottom of the Ummah.)

Posted by: profitsbeard at May 3, 2008 11:12 AM

The Arabs came into Italy before. They conquered and left their mark - The Mafia. Eventually they became Catholics because the church was strong.

You can still see it on the faces of the Scicilians, who do not look like their northern countrymen.

This time the church in Italy is weak. And all those Italian stallions are living at home with their mommas who love them. The birthrate is low and the government is doing what governments are doing all over Europe, Australia and the US. Importing people.

Posted by: Borg at May 3, 2008 11:18 AM

This is a first small step in reverse da'wa to teach the ignorant Muslims what it means to live according to the laws of the West, to live and thrive according to our freedoms and rule of law, and not some 7th century barbarian's delusional ravings about his moon god, raised to the power of One conquering the world for Allah. Italy has a very rich history, not least of which was in Roman law, that every (freeborn) citizen was equal before the law and innocent until proven guilty, an idea so progressive in its time (way before Mohammad) that it is the foundational principle of constitutional law today in all civilized nations.

Translating Italian constitution is only a first faltering step, but then to teach (in whatever language, but especially Muslim languages) its rich history and culture is a necessary second step to promote this reverse da'wa, so even the ignorant barbaric Mussulmen can understand where they have landed, not as conquerors but as subjects to the laws and norms of a civilized nation. Then make them look at all the Italian arts of the ages, make them listen to beautiful Italian opera, teach them Dante and rich Italian literature, and keep teaching them, especially to Islamic youth. At present they do not understand, and they will NEVER learn this from their mosques and madrassas, because ignorance in Islam is very thick, and they have no hope in Italy, or anywhere in the civilized world if they are not taught. Reverse da'wa is a very big job, and one hopes it actually is worth it, or else what's the point? What does Italy gain from its ignorant immigrant populations? Jihad and crime?

No Jihad anywhere in the civilized West can be allowed, nor criminal disrespect for the law and its citizens. We are not 7th century barbarians, who love death more than life. We love beauty and life, and are so much superior to the barbarians because of it. And if they don't like it... here is the door. We do not need them. They are coming here because they need us. Then learn, and make that reverse da'wa stick.

Economic productivity is more important that productivity of the loins. Italy's future, like the future of all civilized nations, is in its economic productivity per capita, not importing repressed baby making 'slaves' from Muslim lands. Either they learn and adapt, or "Arrivederci!" and good riddance. We will manage better without them.

Posted by: Battle_of_Tours at May 3, 2008 11:29 AM

Encouraging news from Denmark: Christian clergy say Christianity and Islam have little in common.

http://islamineurope.blogspot.com/2008/05/denmark-priests-reject-comparison.html

Posted by: BlackJackP at May 3, 2008 11:48 AM

The Italian government should make prospective citizens read the Italian constitution IN ITALIAN and then pass a combined written and oral exam (a real one, not a multiple-choice no-brainer)on it, IN ITALIAN. Making it available in other languages for new immigrants is all well and good, but they should be made to understand that to be citizens they are expected to learn to speak and become fully literate in the language of the host country, in addition to learning about its culture, customs, and history.

Posted by: angloirishslav at May 3, 2008 12:27 PM

Borg

I think that you will find that wherever there is a Mafia, a Cosanostra or a Camora you will find that there was muslim occupation. I think that they may have occupied from Naples south but influenced further north in their usual way.

In lands occupied by muslims the conqueror's genes rule in the nonMuslim population after a century or so, thus the dissimilarity between North and south in everything is due solely to the years of occupation and the arab contamination of the Italian genotype.
I often wonder if teh headscarves, bloodied sheets and the revenge, honour motifs we hear so much about are a direct function of the Muslim occupation. In great Koranic tradition one of the great sadists of all time was Muslim Sicilian warlord.

Likewise many lowland Greeks are often genetically closer to the Turks:short, dark and swarth. (although you do not dare tell them this). In fact the most genetially pure Greeks were the muslim greeks killed in the war of liberation. However unlike the Romans who even conquered mountain villages, the Muslims mostly left them alone(not enough loot) and you still have nests of preMuslim greek genes in the ranges of Greece and Macedonia.

Many years ago in Canbera i met a greek immigrant.
he came from a NW mountain village. he was obviously a peasant sort with no english but he was the absolute double of Alexander the Great with blonde hair very fair complexion and blue eyes.

Posted by: MisIslamist at May 3, 2008 1:02 PM

Why should they even let them in?

Posted by: Dumbo at May 3, 2008 1:24 PM

Why should they even let them in?

Posted by: Dumbo at May 3, 2008 1:24 PM

You are not dumb, Dumbo.

Posted by: darcy at May 3, 2008 5:47 PM

Misislamist, what exactly is the point you are making, and excatly where are you leading, with your theories about the comparitive physical characteristics of Italians/Greeks vs. other Europeans? If Arabs have contaminated the "Italian genotype" to such an extent, are you going to then argue that olive-skinned Italians with dark hair and eyes are not true Italians? I think most of them would beg to differ. The late great Oriana Fallaci, for one.

Suggesting that all truly indigenous Europeans have pale skin, light-colored hair and blue eyes and that all those who look otherwise are the result of the pure European gene pool being "contaminated" by "swarthy" Mediterranean or Middle Eastern peoples is not only bad form, it's bad science. Talking about race and ethnicity in this day and age is a dead end. Who the hell cares what people look like? What does it matter what their genetic makeup is? It's the cultural and personal values people hold that matter. Some of the nastiest Islamists in the world today are not Arabs at all, and many Arabs are not Muslims at all.

Posted by: angloirishslav at May 4, 2008 10:58 AM

here we go again

Catholic charities.... when are they going to help their own and let their enemy with their peaceful religion stay home.
when are they going to stop sponsoring food and shelter to the very one who want to kill them.

AND WHEN ARE THEY GOING TO TAKE CARE OF CHRISTIANS WHO ARE UNDER THE DEATH THREAT OF ISLAM?

Posted by: Tartine at May 4, 2008 11:11 AM

To all the people who speak about surrender and such-like nonsense, ask yourselves whether this has anything in common with the really cowardly behaviour of Dutch and British politicians. To inform immigrants that there is a law in Italy is to expect them to obey it. And that does not apply only to Muslims: we have had serious trouble with Roumanians - the government of this sister Romance country seems to have allowed everyone with a criminal record to offload themselves on Italy - and with Chinese immigrants thinking they could order Italian authorities about (with the support of their mass-murdering government, of course, which yells bloody murder if anyone so much as makes a remark on their destruction of Tibet and similar little issues of domestic policy). Not all immigrants are decent and hard-working; the more reason to inform them that a law exists and must be obeyed.

Tartine: what the Church does for persecuted Christians (and especially for the secret converts from Islam) is best kept under silence. Don't ask about it, there's a good fellow. The enemy reads this blog. And I am not, repeat not, joking.

The Italian Constitution is, to us, what the Declaration of Independence AND the Constitution are to the USA. It is the one document everyone respects, the common ground between Christians and atheists, between left and right, between north, centre and south. Only the detestable Bossi has any complaints about it, and even then the rest of his party has pretty much come to shut its mouth about it. The reason why the government wants it known and understood by every resident in Italy is that it is not only a code of laws, but also a statement (in its first twelve articles) of the principles and purposes of the Italian state - a powerful statement made by men who had just emerged from a death-struggle against Fascist tyranny and Nazi horror. Mr.Fini, of all people, paid it a remarkable homage in his maiden speech as Speaker of the House of Deputies. If immigrants treat it with contempt, that will only testify to the average Italian citizen that they are not worthy of residence; but I think the correspondent who said that this was one step in trying to uproot the principles of seventh-century raiders from Muslim minds is closer to the general idea. Of course, nobody imagines that this will start an epidemic of civics and ethics among the Ummah, but anything that opposes the darkness of their culture is one step forward.

Posted by: Paolo at May 4, 2008 1:10 PM

The opening articles of the Italian constitution.

Fundamental Principles

Article 1 [Form of State]

(1) Italy is a democratic republic established upon labor.
(2) Sovereignty belongs to the people who exercise it in the forms and within the limits set out by the constitution.

Article 2 [Human Rights]
The republic recognizes and guarantees the inviolable human rights, be it as an individual or in social groups expressing their personality, and it ensures the performance of the unalterable duty to political, economic, and social solidarity.

Article 3 [Equality]

(1) All citizens have equal status and are equal before the law, without regard to their sex, race, language, religion, political opinions, and personal or social conditions.
(2) It is the duty of the republic to remove all economic and social obstacles that, by limiting the freedom and equality of citizens, prevent full individual development and the participation of all workers in the political, economic, and social organization of the country.

Article 4 [Work]

(1) The republic recognizes the right of all citizens to work and promotes conditions to fulfill this right.
(2) According to capability and choice, every citizen has the duty to undertake an activity or a function that will contribute to the material and moral progress of society.

Article 5 [Local Autonomy]
The republic, one and indivisible, recognizes and promotes local autonomy; it fully applies administrative decentralization of state services and adopts principles and methods of legislation meeting the requirements of autonomy and decentralization.

Article 6 [Linguistic Minorities]
The republic protects linguistic minorities by special laws.

Article 7 [Relation between State and Church]

(1) The Italian State and the Catholic Church are, each within their own sphere, independent and sovereign.
(2) Their relationship is regulated by the Lateran Pacts. Amendments to these pacts which are accepted by both parties do not require the procedure of constitutional amendments.
(Note: the treaty between Italy and the Vatican has been renegotiated in the eighties)

Article 8 [Religion]

(1) Religious denominations are equally free before the law.
(2) Denominations other than Catholicism have the right to organize themselves according to their own by-laws, provided they do not conflict with the italian legal system.
(3) Their relationship with the state is regulated by law, based on agreements with their representatives.

Article 9 [Research and Culture]

(1) The republic promotes cultural development and scientific and technical research.
(2) It safeguards natural beauty and the historical and artistic heritage of the nation.

Article 10 [International Law]

(1) The legal system of italy conforms to the generally recognized principles of international law.
(2) Legal regulation of the status of foreigners conforms to international rules and treaties.
(3) Foreigners who are, in their own country, denied the actual exercise of those democratic freedoms guaranteed by the italian constitution, are entitled to the right to asylum under those conditions provided by law.
(4) Foreigners may not be extradited for political offences.

Article 11 [Repudiation of War]
Italy repudiates war as an instrument offending the liberty of the peoples and as a means for settling international disputes; it agrees to limitations of sovereignty where they are necessary to allow for a legal system of peace and justice between nations, provided the principle of reciprocity is guaranteed; it promotes and encourages international organizations furthering such ends.

Article 12 [Flag]
The flag of the republic is the italian tricolor: green, white, and red, in three vertical bands of equal dimensions.

Posted by: Paolo at May 4, 2008 1:16 PM

Thanks, Paolo for your posts from Italy.

This is a step forward in that it holds Arabic speaking immigrants responsible for obeying the Italian constitution. Muslim who favor Sharia law may dismiss the constitution as an a western heresy that does not follow Allah's law as spelled out in Sharia, but they still must obey it.

This may not be a timely warning shot, but it nevertheless puts Muslims on notice that Italy expects them to obey the law.

Posted by: tanstaafl at May 5, 2008 10:06 AM

Paolo,

I got the message . The translation of the law in Arabic in order to educate the immigrants is a first step.
and I hope the second one will be that if they don't respect the law, they also will receive a list of consequences written in Arabic.

Posted by: Tartine at May 7, 2008 10:30 AM