Why do we need muslim immigrants? Why do we let these people come here and pollute our country?

Apparently anyone can now demand American citizenship and if they don't get it fast enough, they sue us and our own expense! Unbelievable!

Every muslim who comes here is one more ticking time bomb.

Posted by: Susanp at May 23, 2008 10:54 AM

Well the track record of Muslims has been to kill infidels and to threaten the United States with destruction. How many of these US Muslims have spoken out against their co religionists. None. Yet they want to sue the US government. I would expect a thorough background check because any one of them could cause grave damage to the citizens of the US and the US itself. It is a fact that Islam wants blood of non muslims and to take over and establish sharia law above all infidel laws and that Muslims have the right to act upon sharia laws and not the infidel laws. I do not want sharia.

Posted by: savsiv at May 23, 2008 10:55 AM

While I have no sympathy for Muslim immigrants, the US was not prepared for the amount of immigrants who would apply for citizenship so it isn't just Muslims who are complaining of delays (though Muslims always claim discrimination when the real problem is the unwillingness of the current administration to spend the amount of money needed).

Posted by: Jerry M at May 23, 2008 11:03 AM

Why is Husain, a "machinist from Iraq," here? If he were ever a "refugee" he is a refugee no longer. He has no special skills, desperately needed. Why isn't he back building the new Iraq? If he is a Shi'a Arab, then Shi'a Arabs have, thanks to the American invasion, inherited Iraq, or at least Baghdad, and all points south, including the major oilfields. If he is a Sunni (not everyone named "Husain" need be a Shi'a) he has all of the area west and north of Baghdad, save where the Kurds now run things.

Why is he here? Is he here because he must be here to avoid persecution? From Muslim countries, the only justified immigration should be that of non-Muslims. Does he fully support the American Constitution, does he even understand its contents -- or is this not necessary for winning citizenship?

He demonstrates, already at this initial stage, worrisome bad faith. For if he thinks "three years and two months" is a long time to wait, for the high privilege of becoming an American citizen, and if he dares to start a lawsuit about it, his attitude is entirely the wrong one. Does he really not know how long people wait for citizenship, in this and many other countries? I know people born in Italy, raised in Italy, but who never acquired Italian citizenship and now, when they return, have to wait years just for the damned "permesso di soggiorno."

Can this "new American" not understand why it is -- can anyone in his right mind not understand why it is -- that certain background checks might have to be made, for example, on someone, for god's sake, from Iraq? Is that hard to figure out?

Or why, given all that has happened, and all that is likely to happen, and all that we Americans can see happening in all the countries of Western Europe where, foolishly and with criminal negligence, ruling elites have permitted the large-scale immigration of Muslims, who pose the same problems, no matter what Infidel country they end up in and, among all the vast and various groups of immigrants, present -- uniquely present -- certain problems that show no signs of going away, because they emanate not from "poverty" nor from any other external cause, but rather, from the texts, tenets, attitudes, and atmospherics of Islam.

And those texts and tenets flatly contradict the spirit and letter of the American Constiution, and the American Republic. And this contradiction cannot be ignored, and should not be ignored, by those whose duty it is to make sure that we do not admit people incapable of true and permanent integration with our legal and political inistitutions, but whose inculcated duty it is -- the fact that not all of them will assume or fulfill that duty is slim consolation, for minds can change, and do -- to change those political and legal institutions, so that all obstacles to the spread, and dominance, of Islam, are removed.

I'm amazed that such people still are granted citizenship, and one hopes that those in the INS who are permitting such things will be investigated by members of Congress. This can't go on. Not at a high level of immigration, and not at a low level.

Posted by: Hugh at May 23, 2008 11:03 AM

"Some of her clients have even changed their name."
''They drop the 'Muhammad,'' she said.

That is quite telling. "They drop the Muhammad", as if it were an honorific, which indeed in the minds and heart of pious Muslims, it is.

It seems that every third Muslim male has a "Muhammad" somewhere in his name, bestowed by Muslim parents who have spent a lifetime being suffused by Islam and embracing its perfect example of a man.

By all means, grant them expedient citizenship, and fear not, for they have "dropped the Muhammad", and more importantly, CAIR, those stalwarts for American-Islamic relations, is vouching for them.

Posted by: awake at May 23, 2008 11:04 AM

"Why isn't he back building the new Iraq?"

Good post, Hugh.

And to this, "''He said, 'Am I going to go against the government?''' recalled Danette Zaghari-Mask, Orlando executive director."

If you are working with CAIR, then you are going against America. Period.

Posted by: Connie at May 23, 2008 11:38 AM

I just had a re-do on my security clearance that took over a year to complete.

Tell those cry-babies to STFU and get back in line.

Posted by: undaunted at May 23, 2008 11:44 AM

I don't think that this is an example of Muslims demanding special privileges. It is quite true that US citizenship applications take a ridiculously long time, and this is not just for Muslims. There have been complaints about the delays for some time from a variety of groups, many of them having nothing to do with Islam.

One thing to keep in mind is that anyone applying for citizenship is ALREADY a permanent resident. That means that he or she ALREADY is in the US or has the right to live in the US. If the immigrant is a security threat, most of the damage has already been done by allowing him or her into the country. It doesn't make sense to take forever to vet citizenship applications. The points at which to check for security risks are when deciding whether to allow the person into the US at all and in deciding whether to grant permanent resident status.

Posted by: billposer at May 23, 2008 11:47 AM

"delays are not targeted toward any one group of people."

I probably wouldn't agree much with what the INS (or BCIS, or whatever their current name-o-the month is). However, this statement is 100% factual.

My wife is a Christian and she came to the US from China on a Fiance Visa in Fall of 2002.

After many delays, we had our interview in February 2003. During our interview, the INS agent complemented us on our patience and how we had gone to a lot of trouble documenting our relationship and following all the rules.

She assured us that after a 90-day FBI background check, my wife would receive her "conditional" permanent resident card.

Without going through all the details and frustrations, suffice it to say we were kept totally in the dark on the status of our application from that point. In repeated calls to INS, I was told they could not give me any status, and that they would send me status via snail mail. No status report ever came.

We eventually moved to another state in Fall 2005, and in the process of transferring our INS application, we were told that my wife's application was sitting in a pile of applications "EARMARKED TO BE DESTROYED"!!!!!

Eventually, at the end of 2005 -- nearly 3 years after we were told we would have to wait 90 days, my wife got her "conditional" permanent resident card.

It has now been over a year since we petitioned for having the "conditional" status removed, and it does not appear to be happening anytime soon.

On the other hand, one of my wife's friends living in the Southwest applied to have the "conditional" status removed a month before she did, and the friend had it done within a month or two. Apparently, the West coast offices push these applications through much quicker than the East coast.

In any case, I don't want to hear any more about how the Immigration service is prejudiced against Moslems or Mexicans just because their applications are delayed. It is hell for everyone involved!

But you know, Chinese Christians don't whine "racism" about it, or sue anyone!

Posted by: StephenDvd at May 23, 2008 11:54 AM

Posted by: billposer at May 23, 2008 11:47 AM

Which then gives them less validity to complain, but then again this whole exercise is a facade who's sole intent is to document supposed discrimination against Muslims.

Posted by: awake at May 23, 2008 11:56 AM

Maybe if they actually used a bit of imagination when naming their sons, instead of all of them being called Mohammed, or Ali, or Hussein, or Ahmed, or Abdul, or Omar, or Tariq or....well, you get my drift.

Posted by: ImNoDhimmi at May 23, 2008 12:00 PM

They have to name their first or second Mohammad that is the Islamic way. Correct me if I am wrong. This is the way to keep alive the name of the "prophet" and subsequently Islam and sharia.

Posted by: savsiv at May 23, 2008 12:06 PM

Hugh, I too have a strong distaste for such immigration. And you can be sure that if I were empowered to do so, I would act to seriously curtail it. However, let us be clear about why much of this limited Iraqi immigration is taking place: the war. Iraqis who assisted the US with such things as translations, are in grave danger in Iraq (or Afghanistan). I would not be in favor of leaving them there to die. This is foreseeable consequence of the terrible decision to occupy Iraq. As you supported this dreadful war, it stands to reason that you would support the arrival of those Iraqis.

Posted by: Kafir Nonbeliever at May 23, 2008 12:08 PM

Hugh said:
For if he thinks "three years and two months" is a long time to wait, for the high privilege of becoming an American citizen, and if he dares to start a lawsuit about it, his attitude is entirely the wrong one. Does he really not know how long people wait for citizenship, in this and many other countries?

Well, as good-intentioned as it was, the expedited visas of "Youssif" and his family from Baghdad, Iraq (within a week of their story being shown on CNN) in order to receive health care in sunny Los Angeles, California probably gave him (as well as other Iraqis) a false sense of expediency when it comes to the federal government processing immigration paperwork.

Posted by: Lori B. at May 23, 2008 12:10 PM

As you supported this dreadful war, it stands to reason that you would support the arrival of those Iraqis.

Posted by: Kafir Nonbeliever at May 23, 2008 12:08 PM

I would start running away now, if I were you.

Posted by: awake at May 23, 2008 12:18 PM

Guess it's time to refresh my standing here as resident Mahometan sympathizer. I read the article a bit differently. There was no protest that the FBI had to complete background checks. The protest was that the FBI took such a long time to complete background checks.

I suspect that the cited protesters are right that "Islamic" names had something to do with it. Muslims seem to have access to a rather smaller number of basic names than do Christians, and then they have a plethora of variations on each name, making name checks a great deal more difficult than they would be for the average, say, Irish or German immigrant.

In general, treatment of the foreign-born, citizen or not, by officers of the U.S. Government is frequently characterized by lack of courtesy or respect. My Bulgarian-born (naturalized citizen) wife just got back from a month roaming Cambodia, Laos, and Thailand, and her worst experience was going through customs on her return, where the customs officer mocked her perfectly true assertion that she was traveling alone, for her own interest as tourist, accompanied by neither spouse nor organized group.

Posted by: Karl Pov at May 23, 2008 1:49 PM

He must be an American now - he has learned to sue anytime he doesn't get his way.

Posted by: tanstaafl at May 23, 2008 1:51 PM

Guess it's time to refresh my standing here as resident Mahometan sympathizer.
Posted by: Karl Pov at May 23, 2008 1:49 PM

Mission accomplished. Try reading some of the other comments about delays in citizenship and security clearances, access to names by Muslims notwithstanding.

"In general, treatment of the foreign-born, citizen or not, by officers of the U.S. Government is frequently characterized by lack of courtesy or respect."

Please clarify what you mean by that. I was under the impression that all US citizenship applicants are foreign born. Do you mean race?, appearance?, name?...what?

Posted by: awake at May 23, 2008 2:00 PM

Unrelated: to anybody who supports the Loyalist Party, looks like their web site has been pulled down.

Time to make Jihadi companies like Network Solutions (if they were the culprits in this case) pay!

Posted by: Infidel Pride at May 23, 2008 2:13 PM

>"In general, treatment of the foreign-born,
>citizen or not, by officers of the U.S.
>Government is frequently characterized by lack
>of courtesy or respect."

>Please clarify what you mean by that. I was
>under the impression that all US citizenship
>applicants are foreign born. Do you mean race?,
>appearance?, name?...what?

My wife has an accent. I don't. My wife has a doctorate. I didn't complete college. She finds herself disrespected in a number of situations simply because her accent makes it obvious she is not a native of this country. I'm not limiting this to citizenship application, which is long over.

It's a fairly natural (if regrettable) situation, and neither of us is about to sue anyone over it. Just saying we shouldn't prejudge the complaints of Muslims or anyone else as being trivial or ridiculous.

Posted by: Karl Pov at May 23, 2008 2:37 PM

I'm crying a river for this poor Muslim. This crap has got to stop. Let's give them all the boot.

Posted by: Dumbo at May 23, 2008 2:39 PM

Posted by: Karl Pov at May 23, 2008 2:37 PM

Sorry, for your wife's inconvenience, but that singular example does not a validated generalization make.

Posted by: awake at May 23, 2008 3:37 PM

I'm 47 years old with a degree and work in computers. I bet I couldn't get US citizenship, or Australian citizenship for that matter.
How come these people, avowed enemies of the West can.
Madness, sheer madness.

Posted by: Ian at May 23, 2008 4:40 PM

There was a time when it took FIVE years from the time of application to become a U.S. citizen. I guess Ali Hussain couldn't wait that long?

Posted by: 3812Michelle at May 23, 2008 5:06 PM

Karl Pov:

Please remember that Islam is not a 'race'. And, we have every right as a Nation to scrutinize anyone who desires entry into our Country, especially those who openly and outwardly seek our destruction.

Thank you,
Just another Kuffar

Posted by: Laughs_at_Silly_Jihadis at May 23, 2008 5:16 PM

>In general, treatment of the foreign-born,
>citizen or not, by officers of the U.S.
>Government is frequently characterized by lack
>of courtesy or respect

Government bureaucrats tend to be rude to everyone.

HOWEVER, when my wife was going through the Boston INS office, the vast majority of the "officers of the U.S. Government" we dealt with were clearly not native-born native-english-speaking American citizens. And these foreign-born government workers (some of whom couldn't speak English as well as my wife) were the ones who were the most rude to us.

The agent that gave us our initial interview, and the agent who corrected our problem (with application to be destroyed) were BOTH NATIVE BORN, NATIVE SPEAKING citizens. They were the only two INS employees who treated us with respect and kindness.

Also, I am a native-born U.S. citizen, and the same government employees (both foreign-born and native-born) who were rude to my wife, were equally rude to me.

So, I don't buy that Government employees are necessarily rude to foreign nationals.

Posted by: StephenDvd at May 23, 2008 5:43 PM

First thing they are not American citizens - they have ZERO right to use American courts and have do not enjoy the rights of that of an AMERICAN CITIZEN unless they are American citizens.

Posted by: Armoured Passionfruit at May 23, 2008 6:42 PM

When did citizenship become a right that can be demanded, instead of a request that is granted?

Posted by: Borg at May 23, 2008 9:11 PM

I think the time has come to sue Islam.

Posted by: angloirishslav at May 23, 2008 9:43 PM

If somebody in the government would read the Koran, then no Muslim would be allowed to become a U.S. citizen.

Because Islam is a subversive, anti-Constitutional, terroristic-imperialistic movement to establish a global theocratic tyranny.

No believing Muslim can honestly swear to uphold and defend the Constitution.

Which disqualifies them.

Posted by: profitsbeard at May 23, 2008 10:30 PM

Posted by: profitsbeard at May 23, 2008 10:30 PM

Amen!

Posted by: awake at May 23, 2008 11:04 PM

There was a time when it took FIVE years from the time of application to become a U.S. citizen. I guess Ali Hussain couldn't wait that long?
Posted by: 3812Michelle

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Makes you wonder what's their hurry.. what are they UP TO?

Posted by: Ummah Gummah at May 23, 2008 11:11 PM

CAIR probably has one of its traitors standing by to meet every new muslim that arrives in AMerica. They are immediately taken to a CAIR facility and given literature and lectures on how to milk the system, obtain free legal aid, welfare, housing, and health care.

ANy previous plans these immigrants may have entertained are abandoned as they settle into their new islamic community, a replicate of the one they left. Everything is so familiar and cozy, just like home. The familiar sounds, smells, and sights spare them the pangs of homesickness and they forget why they left their hellholes for a better life in the USA. After a few visits to the mosque to soak up the imam's passionate invective about the corrupt, immoral Great Satan, they're official members of the islamic fifth column and eager for jihad.

In their spare time they breed, their wives and spawn supported by the American taxpayers, allowing them to work full time for allah. They have no reason to learn English, get a drivers license, or even explore what lies beyond their secluded community. They watch al-jazeera and other Arab channels piped into their homes via satellite to keep abreast of the latest conspiracies, propaganda, and lies emanating from the middle east, never questioning or doubting the veracity of what they hear.

I understand why they come---to exploit and abuse our freedoms and opportunities. But I will never understand the stupidity of giving our avowed enemies the privilege of residency or citizenship so they can sue us in our courts, take advantage of us in every conceivable way, spit in our faces, and threaten us with sudden jihad syndrome, silent jihad, or militant jihad/terrorism. This insanity amounts to criminal negligence on the part of immigration officials and those who empower them, and they should all be held accountable for their ineptitude, ignorance and for endangering the American people.

I've heard all my life that ignorance of the law is no excuse for violating it. Ignorance of the dangers associated with islam and muslims is no excuse for our politicians and bureaucrats to continue importing them by the millions, dumping them in our back yards, and squandering our tax dollars to feed, house, educate, and provide health care for them. Those responsible for this inexcusable negligence and egregious waste of resources are secure in their gated communities or in Washington with armed guards everywhere; we're not.

Posted by: Susanp at May 24, 2008 1:06 AM

I'm not a lawyer, but doesn't this case indicate that an opposite sort of lawsuit might also be brought? Could concerned citizens similarly sue to force the CIS to prove that they are doing adequate background checks to keep out potential jihadists?

Posted by: Brenda at May 24, 2008 1:48 AM

They have certainly learned the American way.

Sad.

Posted by: Madame Vengier at May 24, 2008 8:08 AM

Boo-frickity-hoo.

You're lucky military service isn't a prerequisite to citizenship. In a sane world, you should have to prove you would give your life for your adopted country.

Freedom is too costly to be given away so easily.

Posted by: ocz at May 24, 2008 10:13 AM

To: Ali Hussain

Five years IS the normal waiting period, you asshole.

Geoff

Posted by: Geoff at May 24, 2008 10:17 AM

ISLAM IS INSIDIOUS!

Posted by: savsiv at May 24, 2008 10:21 AM

I would be tempted to call this a legacy left over from the libs, but I could be wrong. I thus shudder to contemplate what may happen with a Democrat-dominated Capitol Hill next year. One thing is for sure: this can only get worse with leftists in power (look at Europe).

By the way--If this (drug-addicted?) creep Barack Obama gets elected president of the USA, my prediction is we may NEVER get our country back from Islam!

Posted by: pythagoras at May 24, 2008 3:35 PM