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Posted by Robert at June 18, 2008 1:02 PM
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Ruh-ro. This isn't good.
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at June 18, 2008 1:21 PM
Take note on address for future reference.
Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at June 18, 2008 1:28 PM
Who is the disobedient dhimmi dude in the middle? He needs a taste of sharia.
Posted by: Fjordman at June 18, 2008 1:36 PM
Well, well, well. I guess the Turkeys have come home to roost.
Posted by: tanstaafl at June 18, 2008 1:49 PM
Fjordman, It looks like the disobedient dhimmi put the German flag up in the hall window. So it's probably a case of poseur disobedience. Untracable to a person and the flag's probably not hanging from the floor the guy lives on.
A tepid display of courage that indicates the opposite, most likely, but still it's something.
Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at June 18, 2008 2:13 PM
Fjordman wrote:
Who is the disobedient dhimmi dude in the middle? He needs a taste of sharia.
..................................
Just what I was thinking. That one German flag looks a bit lonely surrounded on all sides by a sea of stars and crescents.
Posted by: gravenimage at June 18, 2008 2:17 PM
Turks feel entiteled to Germany. They already created a turkish day.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7f/Turkisch-day-in-Berlin.jpg
"Why not?" many clueless people in Germany ask. "The Irish have St. Patricks day. Every people should be entiteled to their folkloristic days."
But not when they celebrate victorious Islam. They marched with brass bands, remembering the glorious days of the janissaries. They remember Mehmet Fatih, aka Mehmed the Butcher, aka Mehmed the Conquerer, taking Constantinopol.
Was it dumbledoresarmy suggesting we monitor and explain the names mosques are given in infidel countries? Most turkish mosques in Germany are named "Fatih" - expressing the hope Germany will fall to Islam as the Byzantine Empire did.
at June 18, 2008 2:28 PM
There was a display here in Montreal as well. 20+ cars adorned with turkish flags, horns blaring, driving in convoy up and down the streets.
Was there a European cup win for Turkey? What gives?
Posted by: Maximum Moose at June 18, 2008 2:39 PM
I would never ever try to defend islam but maybe this has nothing at all to do with islam and more to do with the footy.
Posted by: markuk at June 18, 2008 2:51 PM
It is clear to me the middle flag is symbolically being surrounded and is a warning , Just like many muslims like the infidel knife from benchmade and consider the name a warning not an insult.
Posted by: Mr.Fitnah at June 18, 2008 3:42 PM
This is pretty typical in Germany during the European or World Championship. Right now it's Euro '08 and the Turkish team has had some pretty surprising wins in the last rounds.
I think the posting of the image does not serve any purpose here. It just serves to feed xenophobic resentment. Yes, members of ethnic minorities usually live near to each other. So what? Yes, ethnic minorities in Germany (whether Croats or Serbs or Turks) will flash their flags after big wins of "their" national teams in soccer. So what? Yes, Germans tend not to flash "their" flag as much as others. So what? Turks overrunning multiculturalist Germany because there's an overproportionality of turkish flags in the windows of one single building admist UEFA Euro 2008?
Notice how there's no flags whatsoever in the building in the background?
An image, they say, says more than a thousand words. And this image speaks of a lot of bullshit, imho.
Posted by: German Observer at June 18, 2008 3:44 PM
I believe too that this is only about football. Turks in Western Europe are not that much islamic.
Their flag is not an islamic symbol.
In the big cities of my country, there are "flag reaction" after the victory of different countries: Italy, Turky, ...
The most they love football, the less they care for Islam.
The problem is not immigration, the problem is islam. There is a link between both as several immigrants (but not all of them) have brought Islam in their cultural knowledge. All we need to do is help them to be cured from Islam.
Posted by: Coaltaxopeuh at June 18, 2008 3:55 PM
Markuk wrote:
I would never ever try to defend islam but maybe this has nothing at all to do with islam and more to do with the footy.
..........................
Well, sure. Turkey just bested Switzerland in the run up to the world cup. But Germany just beat Austria to advance to the semi-finals--somehow I doubt these windows will be bristling with German flags any time soon.
from ESPN:
"It's not easy to come back from a goal down at the European Championship," Turkey coach Fatih Terim said. "But we fought a lot in the second half and we created many opportunities. God willing, we will win against Czech Republic and reach the next round."
Yes, indeed. God willing. Insh'allah.
at June 18, 2008 3:59 PM
Their flag is not an islamic symbol.
Horsesh_t. Just because the symbols pre-date Islam, doesn't negate them as a present day Islamic symbols, appropriated, as everything else pre-dating Islam, into Islam.
http://flagworks.com/flags/T/2719
http://www.flags-flags-flags.org.uk/turkish-flag.htm
http://www.fotw.us/Flags/tr.html#const
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_and_crescent
Agreed, though, that their use here is more ambiguous due to their incorporation into the Turkish flag.
Posted by: Concerned Citizen at June 18, 2008 5:04 PM
PLEASE do not disparage the sacred sport of football by calling that lawn fairies’ game by the same name. REAL MEN are giants who wear shoulder pads and helmets, not skinny little pansies in silky short shorts.
Posted by: dm60462 at June 18, 2008 5:14 PM
The idiots at dumbowath probably dont realise this was to celebrate Turkey's victory in Euro 2008. In the UK one sees the flags of ever other nation fly when their team wins- only Spencer could turn the Turkish flag ( a symbol of the secular anti-Islam Turkish republic) into a call for sharia
Posted by: istanbulnotconstantinople at June 18, 2008 6:28 PM
They are copying what we portuguese did during Euro 2004.
Those islamo fascists have no imagination!!
Posted by: Crusader at June 18, 2008 6:29 PM
It's the end of the world as we know it....
Put up the Swatstica; Same sentiment; Different times.
Posted by: Kuffar at June 18, 2008 6:52 PM
This is just about football and about much more than football.
Americans will have an Irish Parade or a Columbus Day but when America went to War in Europe, German and Italian men were in the front lines, as we Japanese Americans in the Pacific.
What are the emotional and political allegiences of Europe`s Muslims? Kuffeer have the right to know.
Posted by: tokyobk at June 18, 2008 8:17 PM
This is just about football and about much more than football.
Americans will have an Irish Parade or a Columbus Day but when America went to War in Europe, German and Italian men were in the front lines, as we Japanese Americans.
What are the emotional and political allegiences of Europe`s Muslims? Kuffeer have the right to know.
Posted by: tokyobk at June 18, 2008 8:18 PM
As far as the Eurovision Song contest goes, the Turks have already taken over Germany: in the voting at the end Germany invariably puts Turkey's song, however bad it is, in the top three of their scores and usually gives it top marks.
This year their song was entitled 'Madness' and the brit commentator commented on a a bizarre row of figurines projected on to the backdrop behind the group. They looked distinctly sinister and one or two were vaguely reminiscent of Hindu gods. Perhaps the Turks assumed that European Christians have an obsession with polytheism and idolatry similar to theirs and it would garner audience approval. As it was, the symbolism was completely lost on people like Terry Wogan,although I suppose some people, familiar with Islamic pre-occupations, saw their nasty little point.
To see how creepy the audiences at Turkish concerts (at least university ones) can be, see:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVzQDVqqsec
where everyone is making the grey wolf sign.
Posted by: wallyUK at June 18, 2008 8:45 PM
Taking it the other way, at least blackshirts and brownshirts aren't dragging the Turks off to the camps either. There is still a level of revulsion against hardline nationalism and bigotry in Germany.
Posted by: Dumbo at June 18, 2008 9:06 PM
It's a strange world when you have to agree with "istanbulnotconstantinople".
Posted by: Concerned Citizen at June 18, 2008 9:26 PM
A perfect picture of the West's problem.
Posted by: Bosch Fawstin at June 18, 2008 9:49 PM
Of course this is a picture about soccer.
So many of you seem to have missed the larger point, however: sure are a lot of fans of the Turkish team in this building. And all over Germany.
There are implications to that.
Cordially
Robert Spencer
at June 18, 2008 10:02 PM
It's a strange world when you have to agree with "istanbulnotconstantinople".
Some people say the stupidist things. (shiver)
Turks in Germany
In 2004 there were 1.739 million or 1.907 million Turkish citizens in Germany, forming 26 per cent of all registered foreigners (Ausländer) and the largest ethnic minority.[2] In 2002, there were also 730,000 German citizens of Turkish origin. Therefore, overall, the number of German residents with origins in Turkey is[was] 2.637 million, or approximately three per cent of the population.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turks_in_Germany
Germany's Turkish minority
Two unamalgamated worlds
Apr 3rd 2008 | BERLIN
29% of adult Muslims attend mosque regularly and 87% call themselves believers, according to a recent study by Germany's interior ministry.nearly half of Muslims consider their religion to be more important than democracy
9% who do not condemn suicide attacks
15% of school children ...are anti-Semitic or anti-Christian.
Islamists who advocate violence account for about 1% of adult Muslims, and just a handful will act on their beliefs.
http://www.economist.com/world/europe/displaystory.cfm?story_id=10958534
Posted by: Concerned Citizen at June 18, 2008 10:37 PM
God, how depressing.
I think of Hitler's rallies with the swastika flags.
Posted by: darcy at June 18, 2008 11:50 PM
It's a strange world when you have to agree with "istanbulnotconstantinople".
Posted by: Concerned Citizen at June 18, 2008 9:26 PM
How can you?
His point is ludicrous. Flags of other countries, i.e. non-Islamic countries, don't cause one to think of Jihad, "Kill the Infidels," and Murder-god Allah/Mass-Murderer Mo. It's called "symbolism," and flags are filled with it.
He referred to us as "the idiots at dumbowatch!" Mohammedan istanbul - your childish insults are pitiful and pathetic. Funny how perfectly you described your own self.
Also, Turkey is NOT "anti-Islam." And btw, the crescent moon (symbolizing your pagan moon deity that doesn't exist, Allah) appears all over Islamia - so, the observer doesn't just think of Turkey - but of all Mohammedanistans (thanks to "buraq is dead" poster for that word!)
Those flags make the hairs on the back of my neck stand up. They make me think of Hitler. They make me think of black-sheeted women living in constant fear of being honor-killed. They make me think of merciless, compassionless, horrible Islam. I could go on and on, but think you get the idea.
Posted by: darcy at June 19, 2008 12:05 AM
Dearest Darcy,
Please notice the recantation above.
My original sentiment was, as others, that this thread seems a little beneath JihadWatch. All immigrants tend to pool together; extrapolating one apartment buildings' collective support for a soccer team to something ominous is a somewhat of stretch.
Retaining those symbols was one of the stupidest thing Kemal Pasha did, though. You can't claim a "secular" state with the "rotting corpse" displayed on your flag.
Sorry I disappointed you.
istanbulnotconstantinople,
I hope you are looking forward to the next time you have opportunity to espouse your "legitimate" claim to Jerusalem. May Mehmet II rot in hell.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/021283.php#comments
Posted by: Concerned Citizen at June 19, 2008 12:55 AM
May I introduce our American friends to the "Tebbit Test", the observation by a British politician that some immigrant communities (not solely Muslim, it has to be said) are so poorly integrated that even after having British nationality for two or three generations, they continue to support their country of origin when it plays England at sport.
at June 19, 2008 2:53 AM
May I introduce our American friends to the "Tebbit Test", the observation by a British politician that some immigrant communities (not solely Muslim, it has to be said) are so poorly integrated that even after having British nationality for two or three generations, they continue to support their country of origin when it plays England at sport.
at June 19, 2008 2:53 AM
I recall the events in my West Coast U.S. city when Brazil won an important soccer match.
There was dancing, music, drinking, eating and happiness and good will everywhere.
Somehow I don't think the same result will occur in this case. Violence and rape suggests itself instead. I wonder why.
Posted by: Marwan'sDaughter at June 19, 2008 3:11 AM
"There are implications to that."
Posted by: jihadwatch at June 18, 2008 10:02 PM
And pray tell, what are they -- beyond soccer? Got any studies on the correlation between turkish immigrants in Germany of the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd generations on the one hand and the adherents of the muslim faith at the other? Anything substantial on the demographic structure of those with "Migrationshintergrund" and how they will shape the future of Germany?
Posted by: Nokingofmine at June 19, 2008 2:53 AM
"so poorly integrated that even after having British nationality for two or three generations, they continue to support their country of origin when it plays England at sport."
You mean like the Irish, the Scots or the Welsh?
"Violence and rape suggests itself instead. I wonder why."
Posted by: Marwan'sDaughter at June 19, 2008 3:11 AM
Because you equal Turks with Islam. I actually live in Germany and the only thing I've noticed after big soccer wins for the team of Turkey over the last two decades was a lot of flag waving and car honking until way after midnight.
I wish people would stick to reporting facts here and drawing the obvious conclusions themselves instead of making obscure comments about "implications" and letting their readers imagine the Turks at the gates of Vienna once more.
Posted by: German Observer at June 19, 2008 4:04 AM
German Observer
Those of us who read German, can see exactly what's going on in the German-speaking world, and believe me, it aint good.
Perhaps you could start with
Posted by: Silvester at June 19, 2008 4:13 AM
Silvester:
No, thank you. Taking a look at the neonazi drivel in their comment sections suffices for me. These are the kind of people who vote FPÖ, BNP, NPD and Front National. Their only answer to cultural threats is a hyperbole of the usual nationalism already in charge of affairs: pointless, dull and occasionally dangerous.
Posted by: German Observer at June 19, 2008 4:40 AM
If you think this is bad, wait until Turkey joins the EU.
Posted by: Stefcho at June 19, 2008 4:55 AM
It's not all black & white in politics, yknow?
Posted by: German Observer at June 19, 2008 5:05 AM
German Observer wrote:
"You mean like the Irish, the Scots or the Welsh?"
Those are not foreign countries, you twit.
Posted by: Nokingofmine at June 19, 2008 8:07 AM
"Those are not foreign countries, you twit."
Posted by: Nokingofmine at June 19, 2008 8:07 AM
Learn how to distinguish between Britain, the United Kingdom, and England before you try to insult me for making fun of your confused arguments.
Posted by: German Observer at June 19, 2008 8:16 AM
"...and letting their readers imagine the Turks at the gates of Vienna once more.
Posted by: German Observer at June 19, 2008 4:04 AM
That's not imaginary. Indeed, they are well within the gates, the Barbarians.
at June 19, 2008 8:29 AM
German Observer
Whatever your take on their editorial stance, they do link both to reports of Turkish and Arabic violence and to many of their unacceptable ie. human-rights-breaching cultural practices.
at June 19, 2008 8:56 AM
Much adoo about nothing.
If this wasn't happening during the Euro, there could be inplications. Since it is, to me this is meaningless.
Portuguese immigrants in France also wave Portuguese flags DESPITE living in France (and despite being for the most part more French than Portuguese).
And yes, the Turks are copying what we Portuguese did during the Euro2004 as a result of Prof. Marcelo Rebelo de Sousa's and Luis Filipe Scollari's appeals to the Portuguese people to actually show some patriotism (wich was a big deal, because before the Euro, in Portugal patriotism=fascism... now it doesn't).
Posted by: cruzado at June 19, 2008 9:18 AM
Maybe it will take islam to take over a european country and become a sharia state right in front of everyones eyes. Maybe then people will do something about it.
Posted by: markuk at June 19, 2008 9:50 AM
Looks like the communist flag, with horns.
In every sense.
Posted by: profitsbeard at June 19, 2008 10:39 AM
German Observer wrote:
"This is pretty typical in Germany during the European or World Championship. Right now it's Euro '08 and the Turkish team has had some pretty surprising wins in the last rounds."
But they got their butts kicked by the portuguese in the first :)
Posted by: José, the fenec. at June 19, 2008 11:39 AM
cruzado-
I think you're not appreciating the number of crescent flags.
If it were just two or three, there'd be no story.
Soccer only reveals their stealth colonization success.
Posted by: profitsbeard at June 19, 2008 11:47 AM
Posted by: darcy at June 19, 2008 8:29 AM
"That's not imaginary. Indeed, they are well within the gates, the Barbarians."
Yeah, waving Turkish flags! In Europe! During European soccer season! Those monsters!
at June 19, 2008 12:09 PM
Turks are a (possibly the) main immigrant group in Germany and they're rapidly taking over - it's a problem, even in rural areas. When I was there a few months ago, one of the local Turk-run carry-out restaurants had just been closed down because someone had been urinating on the food. You see the young girls until they're of marrying age then they disappear - presumably back to Turkey - only to return with a husband and probably half-a-dozen kids.
Posted by: Edinbud at June 19, 2008 12:24 PM
From a friendly, good source in Germany...
The pic was taken in the German city of Solingen/North Rhine Westfalia after the Turks beat the Czecs on 6/15/08 3:2 in the European footy-Championship.
Normally nobody here makes a fuss when fans of whatever nation - or immigrants of whatever nation - display their flags. It has changed since the motoown-crisis: All with a sudden (not so sudden for knowledgable people) the turkisch flag became the equivalent for islam. Turks - not the secular, democratic ones- knew that all along. Ten years ago this picture would have been a symbol of multiculturalism. This year, it is circulated in the anti-jihad german blogoshere as a reminder what we naively let into the country.
It used to be called turkish patriotism. It used to be called turkish soccer. But meanwhile lots of ordinary germans are wising up to the subtle and not so subtle signals of islam.
Once again, Turks are celebrating their footy-victory. And display signs of "Bozkurt" or Grey Wolves. The turkisch eqivalent of national socialism. With their hand, they imitate a wolves head: pricked index and small finger reprensenting its ears, thumb, middle- and ringfinger forming the snout. If you see this sign, it basically means the same as a Nazi-Salute. Watch the flag of the Grey Wolves: Red and 3 half moons, representing islam on three continents: Europe, Afrika and Asia.
at June 19, 2008 12:38 PM
Posted by: darcy at June 19, 2008 8:29 AM
"That's not imaginary. Indeed, they are well within the gates, the Barbarians."
Yeah, waving Turkish flags! In Europe! During European soccer season! Those monsters!
Posted by: German Observer at June 19, 2008 12:09 PM
I'm sorry you're so blind, deaf, and dumb, German. When did you lose your sight, hearing, speech, and senses concerning Mohammedans? It's too bad your country is being taken over by Barbarians, and you're not even aware.
at June 19, 2008 1:14 PM
Thanks for almost quoting me, twice, Darcy.
We're right.
Cheers.
Posted by: undaunted at June 19, 2008 1:33 PM
Thanks for almost quoting me, twice, Darcy.
We're right.
Cheers.
Posted by: undaunted at June 19, 2008 1:33 PM
Oh yeah.
I was thinking a little while ago how German Observer reminds me of the cricket that played all summer long and did not prepare for winter. The grasshopper (that's us), however, worked all summer long (with a little play!) and was fully prepared when the winter weather arrived. Freezing and starving, the cricket had to humbly knock at the grasshopper's door, and beg for help.
That's what's going to happen to German Observer and all others who deliberately ignore or minimize the growing Mohammedan menace. "The gathering storm," as Churchill would say.
Yeah, we're right, undaunted. Best Wishes to you.
Posted by: darcy at June 19, 2008 1:44 PM
Well, I'm just saying thanks, Darcy.
I'm not sure I'm ready to dismiss all of German Observer's... observations.
Posted by: undaunted at June 19, 2008 2:26 PM
German "oberserver", troll dich..
I wonde rif he's actually a real German or maybe a "nationalized" multi-KULTi one.
We KNOW what these evil flags on OUR buildings mean.
It's just that multi-KULTi is entrenched in the Halls of Justice the media and in politics.
The EU is working on laws where criticism of islam can be punished by up to three years in jail.
In the meantime there have been quote a few sentences recently where turks and other "immigrants" have received probation for murder!
Not all Germans are stupid.. browbeaten perhaps yes.
And yes, most of us DO know the difference between Scotland, Wales and Ireland on the one hand and places like turkey on the other.
The MSM in Germany is trying to soft-spin islam to the German masses but islam is becoming unbearably oppressive.. see the fascist window display.
See the exorbitant crime rate.. see the unemployment rate of moslems living off the normal folks... see the big black bags waddling about with five little future jihadists in tow.. entitled to take over Germany and all of Europe as described to them in the KKKorag.
Germany today and tomorrow.. the world..
Sound familiar?!
Und jetzt mach dich weg, "german" oberver.
Posted by: Ummah Gummah at June 19, 2008 2:32 PM
Markuk wrote:
Maybe it will take islam to take over a european country and become a sharia state right in front of everyones eyes. Maybe then people will do something about it.
..........................
This has basically already happened with the creation of Kosovo as an independent nation. My own clueless government (the U.S.) hailed it's creation as a triumph of democracy. If only it was so.
Here's a story from IslamOnline: (Note: there is a fair amount of whining in this story--consider the source--but it is deeply disturbing for all that, and not hard to read between the lines).
PRISTINA — Two weeks before the new constitution of their newly-independent state comes into effect, many Kosovars still have a problem swallowing the secular charter which ignores their identity and Albanian ethnicity.
“The Constitution ignores the Islamic identity and Albanian ethnicity of Kosovo,” Fuad Ramiqi, the chief of the NGO Forumi Mysliman, told IslamOnline.net.
Fashioned on the so-called package of UN envoy Marti Ahtisaari, the constitution states that Kosovo is a multi-faith, multi-ethnic state.
The charter, adopted by parliament last month and coming into effect on June 15, also calls for guaranteeing the rights of homosexuals.
“Muslim Albanians won’t give up their Islamic identity nor Albanian ethnicity,” said Ramiqi.
Muslim Albanians make up more than 95 percent of Kosovo’s two million population.
“While it mentions the Serbian church, the constitution makes no reference to Islam or the Islamic identity of Kosovo as if there are no Muslims in this country,” the Islamic Sheikhdom of Kosovo fumed.
“The charter ignores the rights of the Albanian majority, Muslims and Christians, for the interest of the Serbian minority,” it said in a statement on its website.
Kosovo, which was run by the UN since a 1999 NATO campaign ended ethnic cleansing by Serbian troops, declared independence on February 17.
The move won the endorsement of the US and several heavyweight European countries, including Britain, France, Germany and Italy.
“The growing Islamic awareness in Kosovo will be the best guarantee to protect the state’s Islamic identity,” believes MP Ajni Sinani.
Influential Minority
Others complain that the constitution gives non-Albanians substantial powers and tremendous influence in areas where they are in the majority.
“It turns Serbian-majority areas in Kosovo into self-ruled regions,” Mehmet Kalisi, editor-in-chief of an Islamic website, told IOL.
The charter requires the support of two-thirds of MPs representing minorities for enacting laws dealing with the state’s system or the rights of minorities.
“No minority in the world has ever enjoyed this right,” said former MP Ferid Agani.
“It refutes Serbia’s allegations that the Serbian minority in Kosovo is at risk.”
Some believe the government had to bow to western pressures on the constitution in exchange for international recognition of the newborn state.
“The constitution is the West’s second ‘gift’ for Kosovars,” a high-profile official told IOL, requesting anonymity.
“As we welcomed the independence, we had to swallow the constitution.”
Milazim Krasniqi, the head of the Press Department at Pristina University, sees Ahtisaari’s package as a realistic plan dictated by difficult developments in Kosovo.
“[But] the plan is an interim phase on the path for complete independence within years.”
.........................
What will that "complete independence" look like? I'm thinking a lot like Shari'ah.
at June 19, 2008 4:22 PM
I don't follow sports, so I don't know if the UK is still in it. But imagine the lawsuits if they are, and the British have the audacity to hang the inciteful and Islamophobic British flag from their windows. In Britain.
Oh, the horror.
Posted by: special_guest at June 19, 2008 4:35 PM
dumbo said
Taking it the other way, at least blackshirts and brownshirts aren't dragging the Turks off to the camps either.
I know this wasn't the inference you meant, but to be explicit: the only two options are not to have uncontrolled immigration of Muslims, or to have brownshirts drag Muslims off to concentration camps. That is how the distinction is usually drawn by "our leaders" in the government and media. But in reality, somewhere in the middle of those is where one will find common sense and self-preservation.
Posted by: special_guest at June 19, 2008 4:53 PM
"see the big black bags waddling about with five little future jihadists in tow.. entitled to take over Germany and all of Europe as described to them in the Qur'an." --Ummah Gummah
Oh yeah, that's the reality. Revolting. Germany, you better start saving yourself because it's a fact that the Mohammedans out-breed you (Demographic Jihad).
*
"Und jetzt mach dich weg, "german" observer."
Ummah Gummah - what does that mean?
Posted by: darcy at June 19, 2008 5:17 PM
darcy..
To answer your question..
That's a German colloquialism for: GET LOST. Better yet.. very similar to the "Yank" New Yoork colloquialism known as "vamoose".
Nothing dirty, nothing overtly disrespectful, but a very strong way to say We know who you are and what you are all about and now GET LOST.
Posted by: Ummah Gummah at June 19, 2008 7:57 PM
Darcy wrote:
Thanks, Ummah Gummah.
What does it mean literally?
....................
"Und jetzt mach dich weg"--literally translates to: And now make your way (out of here, or away).
German is very ideomatic. This phrase is rather more emphatic and abrupt than it sounds in translation--I think the best translation--that gives a sense of its flavor--would be "Get Lost!"
Posted by: gravenimage at June 20, 2008 12:04 AM
That would be "idiomatic".
Posted by: gravenimage at June 20, 2008 12:06 AM
Honestly , german observer and Cuzardo are right ..this is just an expression nationalistic pride and the passion for the art of Soccer. The Turkish team had just got into the quarter finals which is a hugh deal. And they have to play Croatia next (a team that out "arrogance' even the German team). And Turkey is the underdogs by a large margin. So the flags will probably be down tommorrow ...but that picture wont get posted.
Shame on Robert Spencer to post such unrepresentative picture that dog whistles the bigots. Yes there are a lot of Turkish Soccer supporters in this building , but custering of immigrants into specific areas and cities is nothing new. In reality , to best represent the so called "implications" of Turkish immigration into Germany , picture that same building , but with all the Turkish flags now German , and a lone window having the Turkish red. That is the reality ...not exactly Eurabia is it!
Posted by: David Xavier at June 20, 2008 12:27 AM
Now, why am i not surprised by in-denial Dhimmi David Xavier's post above?
Newsflash, Dhimmi David. There is no "shame" - EVER - on Robert Spencer. All of the shame is on you. And concerning your insult "dog whistles the bigots," you are such an imbecile it defies description. Easy to use over-used words like "bigot," isn't it? Well, here's an under-used word I found specifically to describe you - buffoon. You total clown. Shame on you.
Posted by: darcy at June 20, 2008 8:03 AM
Well, sure. Turkey just bested Switzerland in the run up to the world cup. But Germany just beat Austria to advance to the semi-finals--somehow I doubt these windows will be bristling with German flags any time soon.
That's because the Germans, even since 1945, seem to be phobic, not just about "hardline nationalism and bigotry," as Dumbo stated at 9:06 pm June 18, but even about ordinary patriotism. I'm surprised there was one German with enough stones to wave his country's flag in the midst of all those Turks. (It wouldn't surprise me to find out it was an American rooting for his host country's team.)
Posted by: Seamus at June 20, 2008 11:39 AM
I meant to say "*ever* since 1945".
Posted by: Seamus at June 20, 2008 5:35 PM
Turkey has won! It beat Croatia in a penalty shoot out ...I bet the Germans were praying for this, because as of NOW , Turkey will play Germany in the semi finals. Turkey isnt as strong as Croatia though anything can happen and has! Now according to Spencer-Fitzgerald law of the irrational-Islamic-Tantrum , if ( and of course when, Deutschland uber alles) Germany beats Turkey ...will there be riots in the streets of Germany? I think not.
Posted by: David Xavier at June 20, 2008 9:20 PM
"Spencer-Fitzgerald law of the irrational-Islamic-Tantrum"
Nobody, least of all Spencer or Fitzgerald, suggested that Muslims will riot for any reason other than perceived insult to the prophet Mohammed.
It's very unlikely that this will occur as a result of a football match.
However, Turks are one of the most nationalistic peoples on earth. They even have a law against "insulting Turkishness". Who knows what injured national pride might produce?
at June 21, 2008 4:17 AM
Darcy,
You do violence with your words , but I forgive you.
NoKingofmine,
Yes I was being slightly sarcastic. But there is a distinction between the 'Nationalistic' and Islamic religiosity, a distinction that you have homed in on ...which discredits the whole point of this thread. Soccer 'fever' can be an unbridled passion and brings out the worst of the best of us.
Posted by: David Xavier at June 21, 2008 7:19 AM
Darcy,
You do violence with your words , but I forgive you. -Dhimmi David Xavier
LOL! So, calling you a clown ("buffoon") is doing "violence with words!" Wow, let's see, the Qur'an says, "Kill the Infidels" and "Slay the Unbelievers" and many more similar commands of mass-murder, and you refer to us here as "bigots," yet, it's "buffoon" that does violence? Buffoon!
Wow, you are really a nutcase, Bozo! Oops, there's more "violence with words!" And, your "forgiveness" remark shows what a megalomaniac you are. I don't want your stupid "forgiveness!" For what? What grandiosity! YOU need "forgiveness" for saying "Shame on RS" when any shame is ALL ON YOU, Bozo. Willfully Blind Bozo.
And let me repeat: Shame on you, Bozo David Xavier. You should have 1/100,000,000 of Robert Spencer's intelligence, perspicacity, and ability to bravely face reality. By contrast, you're an ostrich and a coward. Oops! More "violence with words" again, lol!
Posted by: darcy at June 21, 2008 9:25 AM
"His point is ludicrous. Flags of other countries, i.e. non-Islamic countries, don't cause one to think of Jihad, "Kill the Infidels," and Murder-god Allah/Mass-Murderer Mo. It's called "symbolism," and flags are filled with it."
darcy
Quite. Actually flags with crosses on them make one think of the slaugheter, opression and genocide carried out by the people of the cross.
"Newsflash, Dhimmi David. There is no "shame" - EVER - on Robert Spencer"
wow - looks like Darcy has started worshipping Robert as Rob worships Mary(pbuh) and the Pope
Posted by: istanbulnotconstantinople at June 21, 2008 7:53 PM
For the benefit of 'istanbul', trying his kneejerk 'tu quoque' yet again...
The primary meaning of the Cross, for Christians, is, and always has been, that which Yeshua did. We do not worship the Cross; we worship *him*.
When I survey the wondrous cross
ON WHICH THE PRINCE OF GLORY DIED
my richest gain I count but loss
and pour contempt on all my pride.
Forbid it, Lord, that i should boast
save in the cross OF CHRIST MY GOD
all the vain things that charm me most
I sacrifice them to his blood.
See from his [Jesus'] head, his hands, his feet
sorrow and love flow mingled down;
did e'er such love and sorrow meet
or thorns compose so rich a crown?
Were the whole realm of nature mine
that were an offering far too small:
LOVE SO AMAZING, SO DIVINE
demands my soul, my life, my all.
Isaac Watts, 1674-1748.
Christians like me look at the cross and remember the self-offering of Yeshua of Nazareth, the Lamb of God taking away the sin of the world.
As for the cross of the crusaders: the Crusades were a delayed response by Christians, a rather disorganised and limited effort of self-defence, made after FOUR HUNDRED YEARS of totally unprovoked and ghastly Muslim aggression against Christians (and against Jews, and anyone else who got in the way). Muslim aggression, everywhere it has gone, has racked up a body count that beggars just about every other known historical atrocity.
I do not deny that 'Christian' nations committed acts of evil against certain colonised peoples in Africa, the New World, and Australia. But those acts of evil were committed NOT in obedience to the principles of the Gospels, or in imitation of the example of Jesus/ Yeshua, but in flat DISOBEDIENCE to those principles, and in CONTRADICTION of the example set by Jesus. Those acts dishonoured, or blasphemed, the meaning of the sign of the Cross.
On the other hand: the sickening genocides (lets remember tens of millions of Hindus, lets remember one million Armenian Christians, just for starters), mass rapes and mass enslavements, the pillagings and burnings, the permanent devastation of whole regions, which have taken place throughout 1350 years of Muslim jihad , were committed in scrupulous and deliberate OBEDIENCE to the tenets of the Quran, Sira and Hadith, and in IMITATION of the murderous example of Ubul Kassim alias 'Mohammed', whom Maimonides correctly titled Ha-Meshugga, "the Madman".
Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at June 22, 2008 4:11 AM
lol @ darcy, undaunted & Ummah Gummah. Your shortsightedness equates Turkish nationalism with Islam (which is completely retarded), and your only answer to the threat of the Turkish-nationalism-Islam-conspiracy taking over Europe with waving flags is countering it with boosting German nationalism. Yeah, good call: Make that German nationalism spin and reel and wait for salvation.
Shame on Spencer indeed. Shame on him for giving low-brow food for the pseudo thoughts of dimwits like you.
"That's because the Germans, even since 1945, seem to be phobic, not just about "hardline nationalism and bigotry," as Dumbo stated at 9:06 pm June 18, but even about ordinary patriotism."
Posted by: Seamus at June 20, 2008 11:39 AM
You obviously haven't been around for the FIFA World Championship held in Germany 2006. There hundreds of thousands German flags everywhere, a trend that continues until today. But don't let facts get in the way of regurgitating stereotypes and prejudices.
BTW NEWS: Turks taking over Germany!
http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,561207,00.html
at June 22, 2008 9:15 AM
Oh wait: Germans taking over Germany, Ethnic and cultural homogenity saved!
http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/0,,32658,00.html
at June 22, 2008 9:25 AM
Hundreds of German Mayors show solidarity to hoist Tibet's flag on March 10!
http://www.phayul.com/news/article.aspx?id=19454&t=1&c=1
There are implications to that! (Europe soon to be overtaken by buddhoclerical Godking Dalai Lama, Germany being turned into a feudal state like pre-CCCP Tibet?)
Posted by: German Observer at June 22, 2008 10:18 AM
darcy ,
Robert Spencer does get it wrong sometimes, he has removed threads and he should remove this one because it conflates innocent Cheering for a Soccer team ,(that is done by nearly everyone- just go to any Italian district and see the flags, well until yesterday when the Italians lost ..sweet justice) ,as sinister assertion of Muslim power. You can not even say its a comment on immigration ( its so called 'implications') as it tells us nothing other than a flat has some Turkish Soccer supporters in it, it could be a pension ...and how unusal is it that immigrants congregate in the same areas...wow mind blowing! Spencer obviously forgot that Euro 08 was on and is now stubbornly not removing this easily misinterpreted discriminating picture that leaves the causual observer with the sense that Germany is being over run by separatist Turks!
DDA,
Thank you for your non sequitur from Isaac Watt regarding the 'Cross'. The obvious point made by IstanbulnotCon..in his response to obvious provocation is that we Westerners shouldnt throw rocks in glass houses. The symbolism of the St George cross may be different for the non Christian peoples who have been subjugated throughout recent history ...and is even now the St George cross is a symbol of English nationalism. ( Though the distance in time of events like the Crusades as opposed to close proximity of the Turkish Ottoman Empire and the Turkish assault on the Armenians would give me pause if I was Turkish)
DDA
"Maimonides correctly titled Ha-Meshugga, "the Madman".
Did Maimonides correctly label Jesus Christ as well? He considered Jesus a dangerous heretic whose death was too easy and that he really deserved to be boiled in excrement and a curse should be uttered whenever his name is mentioned! Who exactly is the madman I wonder? And why , as a Christian are you even quoting such anti-Christians ..except to cherry pick his words to throw at the target of your true obession ..the Muslims.
Posted by: David Xavier at June 22, 2008 10:14 PM
"only Spencer could turn the Turkish flag ( a symbol of the secular anti-Islam Turkish republic) into a call for sharia"
Posted by istanbulnotconstantinople above,
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The secular anti-Islam Turkish republic..and what was the flag of the Ottoman Caliphate?
Oh, yeah, it was the SAME ugly rag!
Posted by: Provoslavni at June 23, 2008 12:01 AM
Observation: irrespective of the jumping off point, the discussion has taken some interesting turns. Beer has been spilled and flags waved.
dx
this is fascinating. The 'Mr Cool' "she'll be right" pose that you adopted when you first appeared on this comments floor ages ago, is in tatters.
A few thoughts.
The St George cross is far, far older than the current crop of English nationalists, and will outlast them. Anyway: what's wrong with English patriotism, just so long as the Cross of St George is happy to fly right alongside the Cross of St Andrew and the red dragon of Wales?
It appears that you agree with 'istanbul's cheap 'tu quoque' shot about the cross.
You seem to think that because 'christian' empires disobeyed Jesus and broke the Commandments (e.g. Thou Shalt Not Steal and Thou Shalt Not Covet) in certain countries (but not all, and not always - my Irish, Scots and Anglo-Saxon ancestors first encountered the Christian gospel from peaceful unarmed preachers, and lost neither language, land nor sovereignty when they converted; Christianity was NOT spread to Armenia, Egypt, Ethiopia or India, by violent colonisers, nor was it backed up by sword-wielding enforcers when it took root in Korea, and in the Pacific)
no Christian should EVER be permitted to mention, much less criticise, Muslim imperialism, mass murders and near-genocides, whether historical or contemporary?
Oh, and on the topic of the nature and impact of Christian colonialism as opposed to the Mohammedan variety, perhaps you might like to check out Lamin Sanneh, "Translating the Message", "Abolitionists Abroad", and "Whose Religion is Christianity? The Gospel Beyond the West".
Speaking as a West African convert from Islam to Christianity, Sanneh has often argued that Christians should not flagellate themselves over-much about the past; he argues that Christianity tended to respect and work with indigenous culture and languages, whereas Islam tended to despise and destroy same, because of its blind Arabocentrism. You will find V S Naipaul, who is not a Christian, making similar observations of the differing impacts of Christianity (less destructive) and Islam (very destructive) on native cultures.
As for my citing Maimonides - your remarks look rather like a classic attempt to 'Split the Camp' by stirring up trouble between Christians and Jews. (By the way, I have read Maimonides' "Guide for the Perplexed' and found it fascinating and enjoyable, though very difficult to understand; and I have read Maimonides' beautiful 'Prayer of the Jewish Physician', every clause of which I can fully endorse, although I am a Christian).
Maimonides got it right about Mohammed - see Ali Sina's new book for confirmation of the diagnosis, based on a close study of the Islamic portrait of Mohammed.
As for Maimonides' opinion of Jesus - in that case, going by my own reading of the gospels, I think Maimonides got that one wrong. After all, no doctor gets every diagnosis right! However, Jesus' own relatives are recorded in the Gospels as having thought he was 'out of his mind' on at least one occasion, so I am prepared to cut Maimonides some slack. I might feel sad, as a Christian, that Maimonides rejected Yeshua of Nazareth, but I can understand perfectly the Catch-22 involved in God becoming incarnate among the one people on earth whose entire religious history predisposed them to reject that idea as the ultimate blasphemy. It is not surprising that most Jews rejected Yeshua - what is far more surprising, indeed, downright astonishing, is that some didn't (indeed, his own family revised their opinion, in the end).
If you think I am 'obsessed' with Muslims: go reread the stone cold sober, factual explanations of the historic and contemporary meanings of Jihad and Dhimmitude, as supplied by Mr Spencer, on the left hand side of the homepages of dhimmiwatch and jihadwatch.
I regard the religio-political ideology of Islam, as potentially very dangerous for kafir like me. Nothing in the history of the application of that ideology in practice, up to and including events such as 9/11, Bali, Madrid, London, Beslan, Jaipur, and the Mercaz Harav massacre, and the mass murders in the Moluccas and Ambon, and in the Sudan, and the continuous violent harassment of Coptic Christians and N Nigerian Christians, inclines me to think 'she'll be right' when there are many thousands of Muslims in my country, and more coming in.
I DO NOT like Political Islam and what it has done to non-Muslims all throughout history. I abhor Sharia. I detest the 'permission to lie' in order to get the drop on kafir, which exists within the political doctrine of Islam.
That doesn't make me mad, or obsessed. It makes me a realist.
PS - Mr Spencer, Marisol, Mr Fitzgerald - if, on reflection, you think the flagwaving, beer spilling and brawling that have taken place on this thread, do not serve any useful pedagogical purpose, please, by all means, delete the whole thing.
at June 23, 2008 4:39 AM
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