What will the government of Algeria do to this journalist, to discourage not just him, but others, from behaving like that? And if the government of Algeria does not at least cause him to be permanently barred from his current profession, and given some kind of other punishment that will make a deep impression, what will Western powers due to make sure that that missing deep impression is made, instead, on those who rule Algeria?

Posted by: Hugh at June 20, 2008 8:56 AM

Islamic terrorist or journalist? Job descriptions are so fluid in the jihad.

Posted by: tanstaafl at June 20, 2008 9:20 AM

....that provoked him to make the threats....

This statement is absurd and would be funny if it were not for the fact that his being "provoked" could and probably would lead to the murder of that brave Evangelist.

Grown up.

Posted by: adobe at June 20, 2008 10:24 AM

“We speak like that in our country, a father says it to his son,” Rabani said. “But if I really meant it, I would have taken a plane to Cyprus and killed him.”

This is an idle threat only because of distance. Had their been close proximity, the murderous mentality would probably take over. We talk like that here (home) also. There is not a day goes by that I do not threaten to capture and kill, at least a dozen people, and two or three dogs. But I don't really mean it. If I did, I would hit them with something bigger than a stick...

Posted by: duh_swami at June 20, 2008 10:28 AM

Sounds like Keith Olberman..

Posted by: Ummah Gummah at June 20, 2008 12:11 PM

In answer to your question, Hugh: "What will the government of Algeria do to this journalist, to discourage not just him, but others, from behaving like that? And if the government of Algeria does not at least cause him to be permanently barred from his current profession, and given some kind of other punishment that will make a deep impression, what will Western powers due to make sure that that missing deep impression is made, instead, on those who rule Algeria?"

I am assuming it was a rhetorical one, right? I mean, you don't ACTUALLY think they are going to do something to the journalist for saying what he said, do you? Well, let's think about it. Hmmmmm. If Algeria is anything like, say Pakistan, the authorities will punish the apostate with arrest, give him a few days to rethink it all through, and then put him to death. I am just wondering if the journalist is a member of the Salafi Army of Prayer and Fighting (or whatever ridiculous thing they call themselve) THEN they might do something. Before he does. One hopes.

Posted by: Jewel Atkins at June 20, 2008 5:41 PM

“We speak like that in our country, a father says it to his son.”

More like a father to his daughter.

Posted by: Lt. Presley O'Bannon at June 20, 2008 6:00 PM

It is time to start pointing out the real reason for Islamic countries not allowing proselytizing by Christians. They may hate Jews, but they fear Christianity. There's a name for that. Christophobia.

Posted by: Connie at June 20, 2008 8:42 PM

A general comment about Dhimmi Watch - The most depressing news about jihad resistance, or the lack of it, and the complete absence of backbone in Western leaders and most of the population is on this half of Jihad Watch. However, there would not be enough articles from around the world to sustain a page called "Anti-Jihad Watch."

This is not a complaint but an observation. I don't visit this side very often.

Posted by: Pelayo at June 20, 2008 9:47 PM

“We speak like that in our country, a father says it to his son,” Rabani said.

Funny.. I'd never say that to my son.
Oh well, I guess I live in backward kuffar-land.

Posted by: PersonOfTheBook at June 21, 2008 4:33 AM

Someone please tell me the difference between a "journalist" and a "jihadist" in a Muslim country. Oh, well, what's the use of being one if you can't act like one? I hope his bosses send him to Natanz, Iran to cover the upcoming Israeli military strike.

Posted by: Theseus at June 21, 2008 8:21 AM

Funny Robert is perturbed with this when he regularly publishes calls for the killing/harming en masse of Muslims on this board.

Ever read US Christian preacher J Grant Swank - he likewise frequently calls for killing millions of Muslims

Pat Robertson and Hugo Chavez

Anne Coulter?
"we should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity."

Posted by: istanbulnotconstantinople at June 21, 2008 11:18 AM

When I clicked Robs link this story wasnt there and instead this appeared:

Why doesnt Robert ever publish this stuff? Why does he consider attacks on Christians OK if they're done by non-Muslims?
The VHP is openly tolerated in the west.

"INDIA: WOMEN STILL TRAUMATIZED FROM CHRISTMAS ATTACKS IN INDIA
Psychological disorders persist in female Christians in Orissa state, study shows.

NEW DELHI, June 20 (Compass Direct News) – Preliminary findings of an ongoing study on gender violence shows that female victims of attacks in Orissa state last Christmas season are struggling with post-traumatic disorders.

The study, conducted by local Christians and led by Dr. John Dayal, secretary general of the All India Christian Council, records accounts of premature births, sexual molestation and attempted rape during the violence that began on Christmas Eve and lasted for more than a week in Kandhamal district. The violence, allegedly led by extremists of the Vishwa Hindu Parishad (World Hindu Council), left at least four Christians dead and 730 houses and 95 churches burned.

According to the study, at least seven Christian women victims are facing psychological disorders.

Sabita Digal, 30, from Barakhama village went insane after her close brush with the attackers. On Christmas day, a mob of around 200 Hindu extremists stormed the village and set the house of Christians on fire. Digal, along with other Christians, ran toward a jungle.

She fainted from fright and had to be assisted by the others to the jungle, where she remained without food or medicine. The study says that Digal, whose husband is poor and jobless, has been behaving abnormally since then.

Similarly, a 65-year-old nun, Sister Christa, and 30-year-old Anjali Nayak from the Mt. Carmel Convent in Balliguda, still have bouts of anxiety and depression. Lengthy counselling sessions with psychologists have yielded little improvement.

While Sister Christa and Nayak were decorating their church for Christmas, a mob came and set the building on fire. The two women, along with others, hid in a room, where they could see nothing but thick smoke.

Although all the women were finally able to escape, memories of the attack continue to haunt them. Nayak, who refused to go back to the convent in Balliguda and was therefore sent to a convent in Phulbani district, finds it difficult to sleep. She often shouts in the middle of the night, saying, “They are coming to kill us.”

In the same way, Sister Siba, Sister Hemanti Minz, Sister Rohini Pradhan and Sister Jerina Kollammaparambil of the Mt. Carmel Convent in Phulbani have not been able to go back to their normal daily routine since they witnessed attacks in their convent.

Further, Sasmita Sualsing, a 15-year-old orphan girl at a convent in Padangi and student, is unable to concentrate on her studies since she saw her church being vandalized and burned by the Hindu extremists.

How these cases will be handled, Dayal said, would be a test for the state administration and India’s criminal justice system.

“For the Sangh Parivar (family of groups linked to the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh, India’s chief Hindu nationalist body),” he added, “the gender violence, thoroughly exposes all their pretence at respect for women, which they seem to have in the same measure as they have respect for the laws – zero.”

Many victims are still in the jungles fearing further physical attack, while hundreds of displaced Christians in Kandhamal remain in various relief camps set up by the state government.

Sexual Assaults

There were many unreported cases of attempted rape and molestation during the attacks, Dayal said.

“Even nuns suffered physical attacks in the Kandhamal violence,” Dayal told Compass, adding that he had asked the National Commission of Women to inquire into those incidents. He said he would send a detailed report to the Justice Basudev Panigrahi Enquiry Commission, which is investigating into the attacks.

At least two Christian women were raped by Hindutva (Hindu nationalist) extremists and were not willing to report it to police, Dayal said. Due to the stigma of rape in rural parts of India, many victims do not like to disclose or report it.

The study, however, highlights several cases of abuse of women.

On December 25, a group of extremists sexually assaulted a 16-year-old Christian girl, Kumari Sonali Digal, from Barakhama village. The incident took place in a jungle near Barakhama, where Christians had fled.

As Digal was running along with the other girls to the jungle, a nail pierced her foot and it started bleeding. Left behind, she had to spend the night alone. The following day, she decided to go to a village close by in search of drinking water. On the way, a group of Hindu extremists saw her and assaulted her sexually. One of the boys from the group also put vermilion on her forehead to mark her “conversion” to Hinduism.

The same day, another group of rioters tried to sexually assault five women, including two nuns, and a 17-year-old girl.

The five women, Sister Sujata, Sister Sitara Kujur, Jyosona Joni, Ranjita Digal and Padmini Pradhan, along with 17-year-old Rajani Ekka, were hiding under the staircase of the Mt. Carmel Convent’s building in Balliguda. The Hindu extremists had set the building on fire.

Although the women were choking on the smoke, they wanted to wait for the attackers to leave before they could move out. But rioters searching for Christians spotted the women. The attackers caught them and began trying to manhandle them with the intention of sexually assaulting them, but the women held each other and managed to flee.

Premature Births

According to the study, at least four Christian women gave premature births in abject conditions in jungles and without medical attention in the December cold.

A 23-year-old woman who was eight months pregnant, Jhunuta Digal, was in her father’s house in Barakhama village on Christmas day when the violence broke out. Her parents were not home, and she and her husband ran to save their lives. Due to the chaos, she was separated from her husband.

Alone in the Penukupudi jungle, she developed labor pains. The baby was born prematurely that night.

Likewise, 26-year-old Muktimeri Parichha from Ulipadar village, then eight months pregnant as well, also gave birth to a boy before her due date.

Early on Christmas day, Christians in Ulipadar ran to the Panagadu hills to escape the attacks. The Christians remained there till December 28 without food and water. During the period, Parichha delivered a baby boy. Though she had family members close at hand, there were no medical facilities or even a knife to cut the umbilical cord. The family had to use sharp stones to cut the cord.

After the birth, they wrapped the baby with leaves, as it was cold and there was no clean cloth available.

Another Christian woman from Ulipadar village, 26-year-old Kumudini Nayak, developed labor pains in a jungle in Turanipani village in neighboring Gajapati district, 10 kilometers (6.2 miles) from Ulipadar, where she had fled with her family. A local villager gave them shelter, but she delivered a premature baby without any medical assistance.

Similarly, 27-year-old Manimala Pradhan from Bamunigam village delivered her baby before the due date. As she reached a nearby jungle with her family, she fainted from exhaustion. As there was nothing to keep her warm, the family members lit a fire with dry leaves.

She gave birth and remained without food or medical help for hours."

END
http://www.compassdirect.org/en/display.php?page=lead&lang=en&length=long&idelement=&backpage=&critere=&countryname=&rowcur=

Posted by: istanbulnotconstantinople at June 21, 2008 11:22 AM

Tuquoque is hardly a good debating point, Istanbul Is (I corrected it for you) Constantinople. So what.
Hindus in the west are not burning down churches. Or slicing off heads. They are not trying to establish a Mythical Hindu Kingdom of Bygone Glory Days. They don't whine and make excuses. They don't blame the Jooz and the Great Satan for all their problems. Even in India, there are many within Hinduism trying to change and modernize in order to improve their own lots! We don't hear of Arrogant Self-Appointed Spokesmen for ALL Hindus coming before the cameras of western news organizations to denounce the Misunderstanders of Hinduism. This is localized to India, where Christianity is having an effect on the wretched caste system...apparently, Christ makes no distinction between Brahmin and Dalit, and the latter is getting out of Hindusm in numbers that are having a disturbing effect on the status quo.
Becoming and claiming the right to be an adopted son of God through Jesus Christ by a low caste Untouchable surely must vex the local Hindu population of upper castes, the way it must have for the high born free citizen of Rome when their slaves got all uppity with Christianity back in the day.
Having said all that, Hindus in the west where they immigrate and integrate, actually contribute greatly to our societies. They are not trying to enforce a caste system on our societies and they are not calling for us to establish laws according to Hindu traditions based in their scriptures. Their standards and morals are quite high, even worthy of emulating, and I would rather have Hindus as neighbors who are willing to talk to me and interact with the community, than devout muslims who won't deal with me because I am, in their words, a najis effin' kaffir.

Posted by: Jewel Atkins at June 21, 2008 4:21 PM

istanbulnotconstantinople

nice Taqiyyah and Dawa work again.

As I said in another thread, you can't trust Indian media, and you can't trust John Dayal (who has made false claims about Hindus before the Congressional committees in Washington), for reporting neutrally on the Hindus.

It's in the interest of the Muslims to make the world believe that others are more fanatical than Muslims. And it's in the interest of Muslims to spread rumours of conflicts between Hindus and other religions. But it's still a lie.

Read this excerpt by Koenraad Elst about other such examples of this gross media bias in India: "In particular, all manner of small incidents within the Christian community were at once blamed on the evil hand of Hindu nationalism. In Kandhamal, Orissa, a Christian man murdered a girl and her little brother. At once, a cry went up in the secularist and Christian media that Hindu nationalists had perpetrated the crime. When the official investigation revealed the true story, viz. that the murderer was a Christian himself, it was reported only marginally in Indian papers and not at all in the international media, which had eagerly carried the initial allegations.

Likewise, in the Central-Indian town of Jhabua, a quarrel among mostly christianized tribals led to the rape of four nuns. With no Hindu nationalists in sight, the media decided nonetheless that this was an act of Hindu nationalist cruelty against the poor hapless Christian minority. Though the official investigation confirmed the total innocence of the Hindu nationalists in this affair, their guilt has been consecrated by endless repetition in the media. While the media in India couldn't prevent the truth from quietly making itself known, the international media have never published a correction, and the story of �four nuns in Jhabua raped by Hindu nationalists� now keeps on reappearing as an evergreen of anti-Hindu hate propaganda.

Similarly, a series of bomb blasts against Christian churches in South India was automatically blamed on the Hindu nationalists. In that version, the story made headlines around the world: Hindu bomb terror against Christians. Hindu organizations alleged that it was a Pakistani operation, a blame-shifting exercise which only earned them ridicule and contempt. Yet, when two of the terrorists blew themselves up by mistake, their getaway car led the police to their network, and the whole gang was arrested. It turned out to be a Muslim group, a section of the Deendar Anjuman , with headquarters in Pakistan. But this was not reported on the front-pages in India nor made the topic of flaming editorials; and in the international media, it was not reported at all. In the worldwide perception of Hindu nationalism, the false association with raping nuns and bombing churches has stuck.

So, moral of the story: feel free to write lies about the Hindus. Even if you are found out, most of the public will never hear of it, and you will not be made to bear any consequences. Striking first is what counts. Any second round in which the truth comes out, will hardly be noticed. Indeed, conditioned by the initial lie, many readers and viewers will deride the correction as an attempt at �denial� of the grim facts which �everybody knows well enough�. And the audience abroad will never even be informed that there has been a correction."
(...)
These days, noisy secularists lie in waiting for communal riots and elatedly jump at them when and where they erupt. They exploit the anti-Hindu propaganda value of riots to the hilt, making up fictional stories as they go along to compensate for any defects in the true account. John Dayal is welcomed to Congressional committees in Washington DC as a crown witness to canards such as how Hindus are raping Catholic nuns in Jhabua, an allegation long refuted in a report by the Congress state government of Madhya Pradesh and more recently in the court verdict on the matter. Arundhati Roy goes lyrical about the torture of a Muslim politician's two daughters by Hindus during the Gujarat riots of 2002, even when the man had only one daughter, who came forward to clarify that she happened to be in the US at the time of the �facts�. Harsh Mander has already been condemned by the Press Council of India (decision 14/106/02-03 dd. 30 June 2003, Dr. Krishen Kak vs. Times of India ) for spreading false rumours about alleged Hindu atrocities in his famous column Hindustan Hamara ( Times of India , 20 March 2002). Teesta Setalwad has reportedly pressured eyewitnesses to give the desired incriminating testimony against Hindus in the Gujarat riots."

http://koenraadelst.bharatvani.org/articles/Religious.html

Posted by: dee at June 21, 2008 4:26 PM

"Hindus in the west are not burning down churches. Or slicing off heads."

No they are doing it in India- does that make it OK?
This story isnt about Europe either but Algeria- so using YOUR logic its OK.

"They are not trying to establish a Mythical Hindu Kingdom of Bygone Glory Days."

Thats precisely what the RSS/VHP ARE trying to do

"They don't blame the Jooz and the Great Satan for all their problems."

Said by someone who blames Muslims for all of his, on a site that does likewise .LOL

JewelAtkins
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"As I said in another thread, you can't trust Indian media, and you can't trust John Dayal (who has made false claims about Hindus before the Congressional committees in Washington), for reporting neutrally on the Hindus. "

dee"

And you trust Robert Spencer to report neutrally on Muslims? LOL

Oh OK im with you - you cant trust Christian leaders who make claims about Hindus
but you can trust Christian leaders who make statements about Muslims.

Posted by: istanbulnotconstantinople at June 21, 2008 7:32 PM

istanbulnotconstantinople

No, as usual, Muslims are bombing churches, and sometimes like Deendar Anjuman, blaming it on others.

"And you trust Robert Spencer to report neutrally on Muslims? LOL Oh OK im with you - you cant trust Christian leaders who make claims about Hindus
but you can trust Christian leaders who make statements about Muslims."

Read this Jihad Watch article:
http://jihadwatch.org/archives/021184.php

Most of what Robert Spencer says about Islam are conclusions that can also reached by atheists, Jews or Pagans, by anybody who studies Islam.

Posted by: dee at June 21, 2008 9:01 PM

istanbulnotconstantinople wrote:

Funny Robert is perturbed with this when he regularly publishes calls for the killing/harming en masse of Muslims on this board.
.....................................

I've been reading JW/DW for over three years now, and I have *never* seen Robert Spencer call for violence against Muslims. Show me where he has called for such violence.

Pointing out violence and oppression is not the same as calling for it yourself. Most people here have no desire to adopt the loathsome aims or tactics of jihadists.

Posted by: gravenimage at June 23, 2008 1:08 AM