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"And the French envoy said that she will present several issues with the Israeli side concerned with the commencement of the execution of the Industrial zone such as easing movement in Bethlehem and the subject of providing the Industrial zone with sufficient electricity and water, in the hope that the Israelis will fulfill the promises they gave to facilitate and help the Palestinian economy." -- from this article
The "hope that the Israelis will fulfill the promises..."? Israel has scrupulously fulfilled all the promises it has made, ever since the 1948-1949 Armistice Agreements that set what are now known as the “1967 borders” that it was then willing, if the Arabs would agree, to make permanent. It was the Arabs who refused, because they had high hopes of attacking again. They wanted to have those lines regarded by what was not yet called, so hideously, the "international community," as most impermanent, as merely temporary armistice lines.
And nowadays that impermanence of Israel is in that phrase "first they must go back to the 1967 borders [i.e. armistice lines] and then we'll see." It is also in the Fatahstan phrase: "we are willing to choose peace as a strategic option" [meaning: we can't make open war just yet, but let's give the salami strategy that our "peace" means its piecemeal chance].
The regime of Sarkozy is run by several people who may be more favorable to Israel than the regime of Chirac, who has some very unusual expensive tastes (he is said to have needed, perhaps still needs, the simultaneous services of three call girls, and is rumored to have all kinds of money as far away as Japan). But essentially their willingness to pretend to believe in "the Palestinian people" – that is, the Gazan Arabs of Hamastan and the "West Bank" Arabs of Fatahstan, which means both the Fast and Slow Jihad Wings of those who have been endowed by the other Arabs with the task of being the Shock Troops of the Jihad against Israel, to be pursued now by this method, and now by that.
But they, like their more cynical predecessors, ignore the nature of Islam. And they do so at Israel's peril. And they do so to the continued and growing imperilment of France. Sarkozy proves to be excitable, not cool, not cunning, not farseeing. He is a sentimentalist, and that means he has limited value. Kouchner? Oh, he's a soixante-huitard kind of guy, better than most, but still a believer in something called the "international community" and still unwilling to see what the ideology of Islam, its meaning and menace, are -- right down to its last sura. That is why in France itself, the Sarkozy regime complacently points to the Muslim women it has put in place, as if it is Rachida Dati who counts, and not her ten siblings who also live in France, and are nothing like Rachida Dati. Sarkozy’s people are sentimentalists just like Bush, at that State of the Union Speech, where he pointed out some Iraqi woman, apparently pro-American -- whatever that means, in the Iraqi context, and whatever justification that kind of anecdotal evidence provides for the squandering of men, money, materiel, and morale in Tarbaby Iraq.
Sarkozy is a great disappointment. Those who became furious with me when I suggested at this website many months ago that one should Curb One's Enthusiasm about him, may wish to revisit their previous postings and reconsider that enthusiasm. On some things he's fine, but on the nature of Islam, he is mentally held in check by the 5-7 million Muslims in France. He can't allow himself to see Islam for what it is, and why, in the Jihad against Israel, any attempt to bolster or support the myth of the "Palestinian people," and to do anything that makes them able to continue their existence on life-support supplied by Western Jizyah, simply makes Israel's task more hellishly difficult. What is that task? In the "West Bank," it is to hold onto every square dunam of the "West Bank," including its invasion routes and its aquifers, and to make sure that a state of grim hopelessness sets in among the local Arabs, so that the most intelligent ones leave, and the rest simply accommodate themselves to the fact that they will not be winning, as they now hope to, their "state" and then...all of "Palestine."
Posted by Hugh at June 24, 2008 6:45 AM
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at June 24, 2008 7:38 AM
I admit Hugh, you were right, Sarkozy is worse than a disappointment, he is a betrayal, the best I can say of him at this point is that he is the best of a bad lot that could have been elected and that is certainly not saying a lot.
To think tha I put any hope in that man, I suppose I was desperate and still am.
Posted by: Daffersd at June 24, 2008 7:57 AM
Many of us thought Sarkozy would be supportive of Israel, of Western values, of freedom of speech etc. Looks like he has caved in to pressure from the immigrant interlopers who are now pretty much in charge in France. Whatever happened to "Liberté, Egalité, Fraternity"?
Posted by: ImNoDhimmi at June 24, 2008 8:25 AM
Yup, this is betrayal alright; but we're talking about France, so it really shouldn't be a surprise after all -- what can you expect from the french anyway?
This shouldn't be a surprise either:
She said: We do have the station in Dubai where [Iranians] can get visas, but we know that it's difficult for Iranians sometimes to get to Dubai. We want more Iranians visiting the United States. We are determined to find ways to reach out to the Iranian people.
Who is she? One guess!
See for yourself:
http://debka.com/headline.php?hid=5372
at June 24, 2008 9:00 AM
BTW, I think the Israelis are going to get hit first. Of course, they are already getting "hit" are they not?
Am I wrong, or are all of the world powers turning against Israel not matter how much they "give in?"
In any case, I have the feeling that Israel will not be wiped out; reason dictates otherwise, but I just have an odd feeling that Israel is going to survive but I can't say why exactly.
Posted by: witness at June 24, 2008 9:06 AM
>>Sarkozy is a great disappointment.
Oh yeah. "Sego" may as well have been elected.
Posted by: darcy at June 24, 2008 9:39 AM
Oh believe me Sego would have been far far far worse.
Posted by: Daffersd at June 24, 2008 11:45 AM
Yes, he has been a disappointment, although I still prefer him over the alternative. But his enthusiastic support for the "Mediterranean Union" is disturbing. The French need to follow the example of the right Charles next time. That would be Martel, not De Gaulle:
http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=25854
French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner said he had held "very promising" discussions with Algerian President Abdelaziz Bouteflika on the creation of a Mediterranean Union. Kouchner said the new union should and would be different from the Barcelona Process, an existing EU framework for political, economic and social ties around the Mediterranean basin, which has regularly been thwarted by confrontation between Israel and Arab countries. Sarkozy is determined to advance the new union when he takes over the rotating EU presidency in July.
http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/3313
Algeria Sentences Christians
Four sentences on parole and two acquittals. A hybrid ruling was pronounced today by the court of Tiaret regarding six Christians accused of distributing religious material "which threatens the Muslim faith". […] [Algeria] has been in the spotlights of the local and international media for days for the controversial trial against Habiba K., the young woman converted to Christianity, who was accused of practising a "non-Muslim cult without authorisation".
Posted by: Fjordman at June 24, 2008 12:41 PM
Philippe de Villiers -- who had very little support -- was, and remains, at this moment, the best hope. But he will be, is being, painted as a monarchist or somesuch -- good god, as practically a De Boissieux, unwilking to bring himself to sing the Marseillaise. It's all nonsense of course, but then, politics in mass democracies the size of France do tend to be mostly nonsense, don't they?
Posted by: Hugh at June 24, 2008 1:22 PM
What is it that makes politicians say such nonsense?
Indeed, Hugh, you are right. Only a few years ago I watched Sarkozy demolish Tariq Ramadan on French TV and thought - finally a French politician who gets it. But once in power they seem to be forced to say things which make no sense. At least it makes no sense to the readers of Jerusalem Post who have read the six articles on Islam in last Friday’s UPFRONT section, an interview with Ali Sina among them. “Expansion of settlements”? “Palestinian yearning for statehood”? What about thousands of Kassams on Sderot? European Politicians do not seem to realize that most Israelis finally understood what is going on. The readers of the Jerusalem Post all the more so. Sarkozy is hopelessly behind the curve.
Today Sarkozy compounded yesterday’s statements with the call on Israel to dismantle the West Bank security fence: http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3559811,00.html. This is too much! The anti-suicide bomber fence, as I prefer to call it because that is what its main purpose is, was built after 148 Muslim Palestinian suicide bombers exploded among Israeli civilians. The anti-suicide bomber fence along with the targeted killings and good intelligence managed to reduce the occurrence of suicide bombings to one per year from seven in one week in March of 2002. And now Sarkozy suggests to dismantle it! This is obscene. Have these politicians no decency left? I wonder what Sarkozy would have said if hundreds of suicide bombers exploded on Place de la Concorde, Saint-Michel , Place de la Republique or in the Metro?
at June 24, 2008 1:35 PM
Well whay do you expect from a man who signed deals for $14.7 billion in contracts for armaments and a nuclear reactor to Libyan,s perfumed peacock (Moammar Gadhafi) and then a week later on Dec 2007 Sarkozy said sharing civilian nuclear technology with Muslim nations "will be one of the foundations of a pact of trust" the West must conclude with Muslim nations.
Posted by: InfidelK9 at June 24, 2008 4:18 PM
Sarko is the McCain of France.. Sego was the Obama.. WHAT exactly were the French to vote for?
The couldn't be expected to vote for the anti-semite Le Pen, after all.
The French PEOPLE obviously wanted to put an end to islamist lawlessness in France. Which is what the SARKOstic one promised to deliver on.
Now he sits with a cabinet full of moslem women and is widely resented in France.
Europeans in neighboring countries had had reason to hope after Sarko's election and now everything is back to business as usual.
Sarko and the shameless Merkel in Germany are presently busy bullying the courageous Irish for using their RIGHT to a referendum and voting NO to the Lisbon Treaty, which by the way includes the death penalty for things like "rioting" and "causing disturbance".. but not for murder, of course.
This Lisbon Treaty is nothing but a rewarmed re-issue of the EU "Constitituin" which was - incidentally, but not surprisingly - rejected by the voters of not only France, but in Holland as well.
Voters in countries like Germany were not considered "ready" to understand the magnitude of the document and therefore were cheated of their right to vote per a referendum.
The politicians knew damn well that in virtually every country this EU "Constitution" would have been rejected by the popular vote so they invented ways of keeping the public from casting their vote.
Now they turn around and say that the Irish are such a "tiny" part of the whole and that this "tiny" part is responsible for holding up "progress"!!!
What an OUTRAGE!!!
I, and many others are GRATEFRUL to the Irish for speaking for ALL of US!!!!
And Thank You to Ireland for STANDING UP FOR Europe in ways that the bureaufascists whose plans for a EUSSR have been crossed will NEVER understand!
IRELAND deserves to be nominated as Anti-Dhimmi of the year 2008.
Et toi, Sarko..?
DHIMMI-of-the-CENTURY.. well, at least the decade..
I can't eat nearly as much as I need to puke when I think of it all..
Posted by: Ummah Gummah at June 24, 2008 5:32 PM
Oh, wait.. if we elect the Big Empty (Obama) we may well have an even bigger dhimmi on our hands..
Oh, I forgot HUSSEIN O was born a moslem and he never truly rejected his faith..
Which would make the American People the dhimmis of the world if they ever elected him.
America is the last hope of the Free world and here we have an eager uninformed media pushing this man down our throats.
There is no doubt that the idiotic near-comatose McCain would be better off in a nursing home in Boca Raton than in the White House, but given the alternative, I'd rather vote for Joseph Stalin than Barrack HUSSEIN Obama.
Posted by: Ummah Gummah at June 24, 2008 5:44 PM
I suspect this disappointmwnt was the reason behind the Israeli soldiers's suicide at the airport, when Sarkozy and his wife were leaving today.
Posted by: ImNoDhimmi at June 24, 2008 7:05 PM
You really believe that was a suicide?
Posted by: Ummah Gummah at June 24, 2008 7:52 PM
Yes I see the complaint ,which is that Sarkosy isnt going to be a Silvio Berlusconi and wear the Blackshirt!
Posted by: David Xavier at June 25, 2008 12:51 AM
If ***ONLY*** that Silvio Berlusconi would put on an IRON SHIRT.. and chase SATAN out of EARTH!!!!!
Now GIT your *SS up on OUT of here, X-troll!!!!
It is quite clear that Sarko has not lived up to his electoral PROMISE.
I guess we are sinking into an islamo-morast of BS.
Posted by: Ummah Gummah at June 25, 2008 1:39 AM
"It is quite clear that Sarko has not lived up to his electoral PROMISE."
Promise ..Which was what? His feel good out reach to Israel all the while attending to his 'legacy' of a Mediterranean Union. A more pro-Israel stance by France and a Mediterranean Union are mutally exclusive! His 'promise' has always been apparent, which was to capture the right vote on a pocket full of mumbles....they construed as promises. Silvio Berlusconi has literally suspended the Justice system and sent the army in to expel immigrants and lock up criminals... any doubt on citizenship settled by DNA testing...though you cant believe all that you read.
Imagine If Sarkozy did that , a founding member of the EU ... for Sarkozy to live up to even this standard he would have to rip the EU asunder. Even his objections to Turkey are suspect and are undermined by his Club-Med fixation. The only way Sarkozy can redeem himself in your eyes is apparently to expel "Satan" ... the only way for that to happen is for him to become Satan , and is not a realisitc expectation.
And finally , have you tried anger managment?
Posted by: David Xavier at June 25, 2008 3:08 AM
Hugh, in terms of Philippe de Villiers, while I think he is the right man, when I mentioned him to the French people I know at dinner parties,they viewed him as being the second coming of Le Penn, even those that were concerned over Islam. So the choice came to Sego, Bayrou and Sarkozy, hence my comment he was the best choice out of the three. Its like the USA, a real conserbative has no chance in what is deemed to be a Democratic period, the only chance was to go for a Centre left Republican, or almost Democrat, while the Democrats have picked a far left candidate. In Europe all we get is far left and centre left choices, we never get the chance to vote for what we really want. I know that many Americans feel the same.
Sarkozy is a fake neo-con, in other words if I would compare him to Thatcher, he is most decidely left of centre.
If Sarkozy was what he said he was then those illegal immigrants who burnt down a holding centre recently would have been deported as a group.
David Xavier, last night my French wife and I were discussing Sarkozy, my wife has more faith in him then me, and we were dicussing Sarkozy's approach to Europe. His manipulation on the EU constitution shocked me, and I was exploring with my wife what could be happening, I know that the comrades in Brussells would have gone down the route of amending things silently, moving things in by stealth etc. and got what they wanted over time in the same tried and trusted methods they have used for the last 20 years. However Sarkozy pushes through a high risk strategy which exposes the anti-democratic nature of the EU to all and sundry.
I cannot work out if this was through incompetence, or that he did that deliberately to show the issue of the EU to everyone, of course the mud is sticking to him too. Perhaps as the leader of the country that formed the EU he thought that the power was being concentrated too much in Brussells and was slipping away from French control, I wondered about Merkels irritation with him.
I agree that there have been some movements in immigration control, most with an eye on EU directives, but it is not enough.
Take this speach by Sarkozy on the Israeli anti-suicide bomber wall, insisting that they tear it down so they can get slaughtered by suicide bombers is madness. But in my view if suicide bombers were operating in France Sarkozy would never build the wall himself between the old French and new French, he would expect the old French to endure and suffer for the good of all, after all if you are perhaps an autocratic leader who is way above your population, you have to expect some deaths don't you, its like saying for the good of bringing Islam into modernity we have to expect that our daughters get raped in the middle of major rail stations for not wearing a veil. Make that sacriface, its for the good of the world...
Everyone I know who voted for Sarkozy is disillusioned, but then again I expect him to bumble along just like Chirac and the decay of France into third world obscurity will continue. Me and my familly will give it 9 years, but at the end of those 9 years I expect to be leaving France, well Europe for good and personally I think my fellow Europeans deserve what they have coming for them.
In terms of my slightly passionate friend, I am just as angry as him.
Posted by: Daffersd at June 25, 2008 3:39 AM
Sarkozy to Israel: "I'm your best friend, which is why I brought you this beautiful shovel."
Posted by: Kim Hartveld at June 25, 2008 5:43 AM
Can someone explain to me what this is all about concerning Israel's supplying water to the "West Bank"? I've seen these left-wing complaints that the Israeli water company "discriminates" against the "Palestinians" in Hebron, for example, sending more water to the Israeli "settlers." Now, as a good American capitalist, my first question is, "Who is paying for the water?" I'm certainly suspicious when some leftie group claims some horrible injustice is being done because one group of people _consumes_ X amount more of resource Y per capita than some other group. We all know that whole "from each according to his ability to each according to his need" attitude. My first thought is that the Israeli "settlers" are actually productive and are simply buying more water and the "Palestinians" are demanding it as a free handout. But I'm afraid that Israel is a somewhat socialistic country anyway, so I'm not sure things are allotted on that basis in Israel anyway.
Can somebody explain what the supposed basis is for the complaint that Israel is somehow cutting the "Palestinians" off from water in the West Bank and then explain what the situation really is?
Y'know, there should be a blog somewhere where the various bogus "Palestinian" complaints get answered point-by-point. (E.g. "Hebron settlers are stealing privately owned Palestinian land," and so forth.)
Posted by: Lydia at June 25, 2008 9:32 AM
David Xavier it will be one of my choices along with the USA, problem is getting in, there will be a flood of Europeans leaving, both my brothers and most of my friends are talking about leaving, one of my brothers recently came back from Australia, where he did a recce.
Posted by: Daffersd at June 25, 2008 10:48 AM
"Et toi, Sarko..?
DHIMMI-of-the-CENTURY.. well, at least the decade.."
I'd use the "vous" to this disappointing Dhimmi.
Posted by: darcy at June 25, 2008 11:16 AM
David Xavier it will be one of my choices along with the USA, problem is getting in, there will be a flood of Europeans leaving, both my brothers and most of my friends are talking about leaving, one of my brothers recently came back from Australia, where he did a recce.
Posted by: Daffersd at June 25, 2008 10:48 AM
I've been to France a few times, and loved it.
I used to dream about living there.
Now, indigenous French can't wait to leave for the USA.
All due to the Islamic Barbarians.
The irony.
Posted by: darcy at June 25, 2008 11:21 AM
darcy, I am a Brit married to a Frenchwoman, I love it here too, when I first came to France in the late 80's I did not see a single burkha, now I see them all the time...
Posted by: Daffersd at June 25, 2008 3:50 PM
In any case, I have the feeling that Israel will not be wiped out; reason dictates otherwise, but I just have an odd feeling that Israel is going to survive but I can't say why exactly.
Posted by: witness at June 24, 2008 9:06 AM
Because allah the pagan moon god doesn't exist?
Just sayin'.
Posted by: darcy at June 25, 2008 6:59 PM
"in terms of Philippe de Villiers, while I think he is the right man, when I mentioned him to the French people I know at dinner parties,they viewed him as being the second coming of Le Penn, even those that were concerned over Islam."
-- from a posting above
Then those French people at that dinner party have not been finding out for themselves what Philippe De Villiers is all about. He marched in the demonstration in memory of Ilan Halimi, though some tried idiotically to keep him out. He is, unlike Le Pen, educated. He is not an antisemite, not a racist, not a buffoon. He understands the problem. If more people in France would stop thinking what they think they should think, and think for themselves -- that goes for this country, too, and every other country -- that would be a good thing.
Posted by: Hugh at June 25, 2008 10:30 PM
Hugh, I agree with you on that, its a long hard slog, I could not even get my wife to vote for him and I tried, they often refuse to look for themselves, they trust what the read in the French press, another part of them dislike him because he is deemed to be upper class French, I kid you not...
Posted by: Daffersd at June 26, 2008 2:52 AM
"...because he is deemed to be upper class French, I kid you not...
Posted by: Daffersd at June 26, 2008 2:52 AM
BCBG? (Bon chic, Bon genre).
I can see that with a name like "Philippe de Villiers!" Reminds me of "Valery Giscard d'Estaing!"
Posted by: darcy at June 26, 2008 11:25 AM
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