"For almost 15 minutes, the father, in the presence of his wife, verbally ranted, demanding that the crucifix be taken down", reported a witness. The establishment’s personnel eventually gave in to this demand.

Any other boisterous non-muslim would have been physically escorted off the hospital grounds by security - G. U. A. R. A. T. E. E. D!

This hot head should have been told to fly his daughter to a hospital in the muslim paradise of his choice and been permanently barred from the premises.

Why isn't the Catholic hospital staff pressing charges against this cretin for racism and verbal assault?

Posted by: heroyalwhyness at June 25, 2008 8:58 AM

Contractual breaching.
Nobody twisted the arms of the Muslim family to go to this hospital. They NEEDED the hospital. Then THEY twisted the arms of the hospital.
"We will take your quo, and you will take THIS quid, infidel!"

Tragically (treacherously) the ACLU and "civil rights" groups will support the intimidators.

Contractual immigration breach: Muslims freely come to the "west". Then they want the "WEST" to limit free speech. In OUR countries. The very speech that must be used to counter the truth of Islamic belligerence.

Islam is not about contract.
It is about intimidation.
Force.

Posted by: confused at June 25, 2008 9:04 AM

If it is allowed it will continue to happen, we only have ourselves to blame.

Push back.

Posted by: Abu_Lahab at June 25, 2008 9:08 AM

Such uncivilized and barbaric behavior always from the Mohammedans. What insolence. He should have been arrested for anti Christian attitude and insulting the Cross and Christian belief.

Posted by: savsiv at June 25, 2008 9:14 AM

The symbolism of the "personnel" taking down the crucifix as the result of a Barbarian's demands is almost unbearable.

Posted by: darcy at June 25, 2008 9:15 AM

What was that Muslim version of chutzpah again?
Chutzp'allah?

Posted by: Battle_of_Tours at June 25, 2008 9:52 AM

They'll be demading the removal of Roman Catholic churches from France next.

Oh actually, it will be synagogues next.

There would be no Nazism without Nazis

There would be no communism withour communists

There would be no Islam without Muslims.

I'm past talking about Islamists. This Muslim man confirms to me that all Muslims are Islamists.

Posted by: Stephen Gash SIOE England at June 25, 2008 10:04 AM

I'm past talking about Islamists. This Muslim man confirms to me that all Muslims are Islamists.

Posted by: Stephen Gash SIOE England at June 25, 2008 10:04 AM

Of course they are. They are covert sympathizers. The only Muslims I see and hear speaking out against the atrocities Muslims commit in the name of Islam and allah are EX-MUSLIMS. EX.

This not being able to paint Mohammedans with the broad brush - it's crippling us in our justified repudiation of and fighting back against, Islamo-Naziism.

Posted by: darcy at June 25, 2008 10:16 AM

Considering the ancient hatred of the French governing classes for the Catholic Church (remember Combes? Remember Jacques "there is no Christian heritage in Europe" Chirac?), I would imagine that this gentleman was allowed to behave as he did because he suited the suited the laique prejudices of the country pretty well. You have to understand, boys'n'gals, that there are probably more serious Catholics in Algeria than in France. Heck, there are probably more in Antarctica than in France. Government action since 1871 has been consistently and successfully intended to uproot the Church from the country. You talk as though the de-Christianization of certain European countries (Italy and Poland being major exceptions) were some strange historical doom. It isn't. It is, in every case, the direct result of targeted long-term government policy, and never more so than in France. Even the mass import of non-Christian immigrants is part of the Great Plan. Since Voltaire and the campaign to destroy the Jesuits, indeed in some ways since the Reformation, the purpose of most European governments, covert or stated, has been to nationalize or destroy (or both) the Christian religion. Kings, after all, have no love for "turbulent priests", and their republican successors even less. France has been particularly thorough and successful in the destruction of Catholicism - and soon she will find that she has to pay the price. Drive out the belief in a loving and self-sacrificing God, and you will let in the belief in a ruthless and destructive God whose "compassion and mercy" reduce themselves to the choice between enslavement and death.

Posted by: Paolo at June 25, 2008 10:17 AM

But...But... But--wasn't Jesus a good Muslim, and a prophet, as well? That's what the Qur'an says...

Help me, Mr. Imam! I'm confused!

Posted by: Abscedere at June 25, 2008 10:19 AM

But...But... But--wasn't Jesus a good Muslim, and a prophet, as well? That's what the Qur'an says...

Help me, Mr. Imam! I'm confused!

Posted by: Abscedere at June 25, 2008 10:19 AM

They don't worship Jesus.

In addition, Jesus is a slave to Allah.

They don't believe Jesus was crucified. Or that He is the Son of God.

The crucifix symbolizes that Jesus died on the Cross, that He is the Son of God, that He AIN'T NO SLAVE TO ALLAH! HELLO!

I hope you're no longer confused, Abscedere.

Posted by: darcy at June 25, 2008 10:30 AM

The shame of the Catholic personnel acceding to the demands of a Barbarian in their own Catholic hospital is just beyond words.

France - By acquiescing to the demands of Barbarians, you deserve what you're going to get.

Posted by: darcy at June 25, 2008 10:32 AM

Whenever I see news lik these it depresses me. It also makes me mad. Where is the Charles Martel spirit? Where is the Charlemagne spirit? Isn't there any french who values his Judeo-Christian worldview that raises up against this kind of thing?

So the islamo-nazi comes to a CATHOLIC nation, and goes into a CATHOLIC hospital FREELY, and then demands that the CATHOLIC hospital removes its cross?!!

And what do the dhimmis do?

Posted by: Crusader at June 25, 2008 10:35 AM

Too bad after removing the existing crucifix, Marie-Therese could not have returned with a very large one to replace it.

If they don't like looking at it, there's always that huge, worldwide network of Islamic hospitals. What? Oh, I meant terrorist camps...

Posted by: CapitalistGig at June 25, 2008 10:36 AM

Paolo: You are right, this is part of a deliberate, long-term policy to uproot Christianity. Another country which is particularly aggressive is Sweden, which is imploding almost as fast as France:

http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2007/05/sharia-supporters-and-transvestites-of.html

This has thus absolutely nothing to do with “tolerance or diversity.” It’s done in order to break you down and to mold you into a new human being. Great emphasis is placed on destroying the Christian heritage of the native population. Pupils are taught that they have been liberated from the superstition and oppression of Christian nonsense. However, while Christianity has been ridiculed and demonized for generations, so much that some Swedish Christians complain about persecution, Islam is presented in textbooks as a benevolent and tolerant religion, and Islam is granted a high degree of respect in the public sphere.

Posted by: Fjordman at June 25, 2008 10:40 AM

If the Muslim father does not like the crucifix in the hospital then he could simply take his daughter to another hospital that does not even have one.

Appeasing a Muslim demand to remove a Catholic image in a Catholic hospital is cowardly.

If a Catholic receiving medical treatment in the Middle East demanded in a Muslim hospital that the medical staff remove Quranic calligraphy from the hospital, nothing would be done to appease the Catholic man's request.

Similarly, nothing should have been done to appease the Muslim man's request in a Catholic hospital.

Posted by: Johnathan at June 25, 2008 10:41 AM

So the islamo-nazi comes to a CATHOLIC nation, and goes into a CATHOLIC hospital FREELY, and then demands that the CATHOLIC hospital removes its cross?!! --Crusader

It's un-effing believable.

It's just like in the early 1930's when the Naziis demanded that Jews wear stars, or stay in only a certain part of town (and many other demands from the Naziis - can people help me out here with others?) and the Jews complied. I guess they didn't want "trouble."

And look what happened to the Jews. They should have fought back, not complied and acquiesced.

In the 21st century the West is being assailed by Islamo-Naziis. Here's what someone will say about 20 years from now:

"And look what happened to the West. They should have fought back, not complied and acquiesced."

(Epitaph for the West), plus, people never learn from history. You know that "Never Again" slogan about the Holocaust? Well, there's been plenty of genocides in various countries, since. "Never Again," yeah, right.

Posted by: darcy at June 25, 2008 10:48 AM

It would be interesting to hear what was actually said in a 15 minute rant about the crucifix. Whatever was said, this Muslim was demonstrating his own insecurities about his own religion. Is he concernd that his daughter may be influenced by the Catholic Religion over Islam?

This is a clear example of a blatant showing of disrespect for other religions of which Muslims are constantly complaining aboutwhen it comes to theirs. They complain that they are victims of hate crimes of anyone who criticizes Islam and yet the tenants of the Quran teach antisemetism,and hate against all other religions.-

And the Catholic Hospital bends to the will of this Muslim Father for their desire for peace and traquility in the hospital.

Once again a sad commentary on the polarizing, and devisive cult that is Islam.

Posted by: Mackie at June 25, 2008 10:50 AM

I am sure the Christians involved in this kerfuffle thought they were doing the "Christian thing".
Note to Christians: bending the knee to evil is not Christian. The Christians that died as entertainment for the Romans did not bend their knee for Roman gods.
Do we have the guts (faith) those good people had?

Posted by: interestinconundrum at June 25, 2008 11:05 AM

If they don't like looking at it, there's always that huge, worldwide network of Islamic hospitals. What? Oh, I meant terrorist camps...

Good one! You know if every invention was "islamic" and islam brought the "enlightenment"...why is it that no progress comes from the islamic world nowadays? Hmmm? Oil? Oh yeah. Gouging the crap out of everyone, trying to bring about our demise.
I cannot wait until they have to eat their oil, it can't come too soon.

Posted by: interestinconundrum at June 25, 2008 11:14 AM

You know if every invention was "islamic" and islam brought the "enlightenment"...

Who said that blatant, obvious, lie, interestin?

Posted by: darcy at June 25, 2008 11:30 AM

Oh darcy, you see that bit of *^$# on every forum.
The moslems bring up the "fastest growing", the "inventors" and the "preserving civilization" on every forum I post at. Heh

Posted by: interestinconundrum at June 25, 2008 11:48 AM

Oh, the cross should have been removed. It's just that they should have stuck it up his ....well.

[sarc off]

Posted by: carpediadem at June 25, 2008 12:15 PM

To late to complain, they backed down .Im sure the offending objects have all been removed to avoid uncomfortable situations in the future

Posted by: Mr.Fitnah at June 25, 2008 12:42 PM

When my grandmother was dying in a Catholic hospice, we asked respectfully that the crucifix be taken out of the room, as it made her uncomfortable. The staff was very accommodating.
What we did not do was treat it as our inalienable right, on private property, to demand that the property owner accommodate our religious beliefs.

Posted by: ibn Abu at June 25, 2008 12:58 PM

Remarkable, the young daughter has just undergone surgery and the parents primarily occupation is what’s on the walls. Had they have had same priorities if it had been a son.

How come it took so long. From the moment they entered the hospital checked in waiting out the surgery it must have been visible Christian symbols in the catholic hospital.

What’s wrong with these people, what kind of brain washing have they gone through. If it was me my first concern had been the wellbeing of my daughter and if all went well to be grateful to those who did the job that helped my daughter.

If a muslim is about to drowning will he refuse to be rescued by a person who carry a cross, probably not but will probably sue for hate crime afterwards?

Posted by: Engelbrekt at June 25, 2008 1:16 PM

"For almost 15 minutes, the father, in the presence of his wife, verbally ranted, demanding that the crucifix be taken down", reported a witness. The establishment’s personnel eventually gave in to this demand.

--

I am beginning to realize where the Legend of Dracula comes from.. Satan cannot handle the presence of a Crucifix.

Posted by: Ummah Gummah at June 25, 2008 1:18 PM

Let those who use, who make great use of, hospitals in the West, whether run by religious orders or affiliated with a particular religion or not, understand the rules: it is the hospital and its personnel who will decide policy. Punto e basta. That's it. If you can't stand the sight of a crucifix, don't go to a Catholic-run or Catholic-affiliated hospital. If you accept the services, if you are allowed the great privilege of enjoying the benefits of Western medicine, in a Western country, you had better accept all that comes with it. Since Muslims will not be grateful for Infidel favors (they are taught not to be grateful, but to be suspicious) it is useless to try to win them over. It is pointless to be surprised. Tell them what is acceptable and what isn't, and leave it at that. They have long passed the point, in the countries of Western Europe -- in Italy a Muslim leader, Adel Smith, brought suit to try to have the crucifix removed from all public places, a suit which caused outrage among many who are not religious, not believers at all, including most famously Oriana Fallaci, an atheist and a famous anti-cleric, who instantly recognized the attack as one not on religion alone, but on the civilization of Italy. Fallaci, who did not have a deathbed conversion but remained a convinced atheist, nonethless left her papers to the Vatican.

We all know - don't we? -- why.

Posted by: Hugh at June 25, 2008 2:08 PM

Should have been arrested for disorderly conduct. People need to stand up and be counted.

Posted by: MP at June 25, 2008 2:50 PM

They should have arrested this Islamic brute and ejected his daughter and sent them packing to a Muslim run clinic where they can get the shoddy care they deserve!

Posted by: Dumbo at June 25, 2008 2:50 PM

ibn Abu

In that case, what was your grandmother doing being treated in a Catholic hospice? If she had the remotest self respect, she should have demanded that she be let to die @ home or taken to an Unani doctor, rather than be polluted in a Catholic hospice. Your 'politeness' in this case is anything but praiseworthy: your request that a Catholic institution suspend its Christianess was nothing short of shameless - no different from your demanding that a Christian whose home you are visiting remove all visible crucifixes so that the sensibilities of your family ain't offended. But typical behavior of you Mohammedans.

Assuming that Mohammedans did have good medical institutions both within and outside dar ul Islam (maybe Allah can explain why they don't?), if my life was ever at risk and no infidel facilities were available, I'd rather forgo treatment than be indebted to a Mohammedan. It isn't merely a case of whether Mohammedan doctors would or wouldn't be trustworthy: it's that if somebody does me such a major favor as healing me, I'd feel gratified and indebted to him/her, and the last thing I want in life is to owe that debt to a Mohammedan.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at June 25, 2008 3:20 PM

When my grandmother was dying in a Catholic hospice, we asked respectfully that the crucifix be taken out of the room, as it made her uncomfortable. The staff was very accommodating.
What we did not do was treat it as our inalienable right, on private property, to demand that the property owner accommodate our religious beliefs.

Posted by: ibn Abu at June 25, 2008 12:58 PM

As Hugh said,

"If you can't stand the sight of a crucifix, don't go to a Catholic-run or Catholic-affiliated hospital..."

Yes. Sorry, no sympathy, "ibn Abu." THEN GO TO A MOHAMMEDAN HOSPITAL! GOOD GRIEF! YOU TOTAL HYPOCRITES.

btw, ibn Abu, when your grandmother died, she saw Jesus, the Son of God, not "allah," your pagan moon deity that doesn't exist. My God, you hypocrites. Disgusting.

Posted by: darcy at June 25, 2008 4:55 PM

"...the last thing I want in life is to owe that debt to a Mohammedan.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at June 25, 2008 3:20 PM

Totally. I would refuse care from an Islamic Barbarian who worships a non-existent pagan moon deity, and the Murder Book called the Qur'an.

Posted by: darcy at June 25, 2008 4:57 PM

Both my children were born in a Catholic maternity in Paris and the kindness and gentleness of the staff and nuns provide a wonderfully calm environment in which to bring your child into the world.

The first thought of the staff, whose dedication and devoutness leave no room for doubt, would be to preserve the calm for the other mothers and babies in the maternity.

No mindless anti clerical miseries would either work or have their wives give birth in such a Christian environment. So there would be no one there to support such agressive behavior by the raving muslim.

Posted by: Sebastien at June 25, 2008 5:08 PM

"...by the raving muslim.

Posted by: Sebastien at June 25, 2008 5:08 PM

What other kind is there?

Posted by: darcy at June 25, 2008 6:24 PM

Leave the old cross down. As the patient is discharged, and in full view of her relatives, have a catholic priest re-sactify the room with holy water, and hang a new, golden cross.

Posted by: skevin at June 25, 2008 7:07 PM

"...and in full view of her relatives, have a Catholic priest re-sactify the room with holy water, and hang a new, golden cross." --skevin

You Go, skevin.

Posted by: darcy at June 25, 2008 7:11 PM

ugh... I really should polish posts in Word.

sactify = sanctify Sorry.

Posted by: skevin at June 25, 2008 7:12 PM

I would have recommended an exorcism first. You know these koranimals would have sullied the room by mentioning that dirty "A" word one or more times.

Then have a priest bless and sanctify the room. Have a Linda Blair moment:

"May the power of christ compel you!..."

/sarc off

Posted by: boneshack at June 25, 2008 7:36 PM

If you read the French comments on this article , you will see that almost everyone found the Hospital guilty.
Guilty for removing the cross and not standing for their faith.
Unfortunately, this article did not make the headlines.
"If you deny me in front of men , I will deny you in front of my father". This is one sentence that the management of the hospital totally ignored.

Posted by: Tartine at June 26, 2008 12:55 AM

I'll take this opportunity to point out that the translation from French at Covenant Zone above is done by my colleague Charles Henry.

For those unfamiliar with French, Charles is a reliable and accurate source of rare and valuable information via his efforts. Often his work is the only available translation we have. French language media is restricted in ways unfamiliar to Americans, as yet, and Charles is often able to find things we would otherwise not have easy access to-- even if in French.

If not for Spencer, of course, our plight would be infinitely worse than now. We're always happy to have Jihad Watch pick up whatever we can add to our hope of victory. (Thank you, Robert.)

Having tooted Charles' horn, I am now off to reread Raymond Ibrahim, The Al Qaeda Reader."

Posted by: dag at June 26, 2008 1:33 AM

"If you deny me in front of men , I will deny you in front of my father". This is one sentence that the management of the hospital totally ignored.

Posted by: Tartine at June 26, 2008 12:55 AM

Vraiment. Shame, shame, shame on the hospital personnel.

Posted by: darcy at June 26, 2008 9:01 AM

Charles "The Hammer" Martel must be spinning in his grave.

Posted by: perpster at June 26, 2008 9:34 AM

What is funny is that some muslims try so hard to bridge the gap about Jesus and how related their religion is to them and how they aren't so far away from the Christian's God. So what's up with this muslims?

Yeah I thought so.....

Posted by: diaphanous at June 27, 2008 5:17 AM

I hope you're no longer confused, Abscedere.

Posted by: darcy at June 25, 2008 10:30 AM

It was sarcasm, Darcy.

Posted by: Abscedere at June 27, 2008 1:46 PM

It was sarcasm, Darcy.

Posted by: Abscedere at June 27, 2008 1:46 PM

Oh, OK, great. Sometimes sarcasm doesn't translate well on the 'net.

Posted by: darcy at June 29, 2008 7:41 PM