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Over the years I've gotten a great deal of abuse for telling the truth about Islam and jihad here, but probably more for pointing out that Islamic tradition says that Muhammad married Aisha when she was six and consummated the marriage when she was nine, and that he is exemplary in this for Islamic law, than for anything else. See, to take just one of many examples, here. Of course, the righteous indignation over my alleged misrepresentation of this issue is simply another manifestation of the general deceptive smokescreen that Islamic supremacists deploy in the West.
But this MEMRI clip proves the only point I have ever wanted to make about this issue: that Muhammad's example in this has been taken and is still taken as worthy of imitation.
"Dr. Ahmad Al-Mub'i, a Saudi Marriage Officiant: It Is Allowed to Marry a Girl at the Age of One, If Sex Is Postponed. The Prophet Muhammad, Whose Model We Follow, Married 'Aisha When She Was Six and Had Sex with Her When She Was Nine," from MEMRITV, June 19 (thanks to all who sent this in):
Following are excerpts from an interview with Dr. Ahmad Al-Mu'bi, a Saudi marriage officiant, which aired on LBC TV on June 19, 2008:Dr. Ahmad Al-Mu'bi: Marriage is actually two things: First we are talking about the marriage contract itself. This is one thing, while consummating the marriage – having sex with the wife for the first time – is another thing. There is no minimal age for entering marriage. You can have a marriage contract even with a one-year-old girl, not to mention a girl of nine, seven, or eight. This is merely a contract [indicating] consent. The guardian in such a case must be the father, because the father's opinion is obligatory. Thus, the girl becomes a wife... But is the girl ready for sex or not? What is the appropriate age for having sex for the first time? This varies according to environment and traditions. In Yemen, girls are married off at nine, ten, eleven, eight, or thirteen, while in other countries, they are married off at 16. Some countries have legislated laws forbidding having sex before the girl is eighteen.
[...]
The Prophet Muhammad is the model we follow. He took 'Aisha to be his wife when she was six, but he had sex with her only when she was nine.
Interviewer: When she was six...
Dr. Ahmad Al-Mu'bi: He married her at the age of six, and he consummated the marriage, by having sex with her for the first time, when she was nine. We consider the Prophet Muhammad to be our model.
Interviewer: My question to you is whether the marriage of a 12-year-old boy with an 11-year-old girl is a logical marriage, which is permitted by Islamic law.
Dr. Ahmad Al-Mu'bi: If the guardian is the father... There are two different types of guardianship. If the guardian is the father, and he marries his daughter off to a man of appropriate standing, the marriage is obviously valid.
[...]
People find themselves in all kinds of circumstances. Take, for example, a man who has two, three, or four daughters. He does not have any wives, but he needs to go on a trip. Isn't it better to marry his daughter to a man, who will protect and sustain her, and when she reaches the proper age, he will have sex with her? Who says all men are ferocious wolves?
Yeah!
Posted by Robert at June 25, 2008 8:47 AM
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Im pretty sure he had sex with her("played with her") before the final insult.
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at June 25, 2008 10:35 AM
Icky.
Posted by: undaunted at June 25, 2008 10:40 AM
You can have a marriage contract even with a one-year-old girl, not to mention a girl of nine, seven, or eight. This is merely a contract [indicating] consent.
Since when can a one-year-old girl consent to marriage?
Dr. Ahmad Al-Mu'bi: He married her at the age of six, and he consummated the marriage, by having sex with her for the first time, when she was nine. We consider the Prophet Muhammad to be our model.
We consider the Prophet Muhammad to be our model. Muhammad -- the ultimate SICKO.
Posted by: PersonOfTheBook at June 25, 2008 10:41 AM
Pretty screwed up and these are the kind of mentality we are letting into the west through asylum and immigration.
Posted by: savsiv at June 25, 2008 10:51 AM
But, you know, there's a HUGE difference between ages 6 and 9! That's obvious! So, what are you people getting all knicker-twisty about????
(Sarcasm ON, People.)
Y'know, after reading that crap spewed by the Barbarian, words fail me. So depressed. Esp. after the crucifix-removal article.
Posted by: darcy at June 25, 2008 10:57 AM
We consider the Prophet Muhammad to be our model. Muhammad -- the ultimate SICKO.
Posted by: PersonOfTheBook at June 25, 2008 10:41 AM
Oh yeah. It's like saying, "We consider der Fuhrer Hitler to be our model."
After the past few years of learning about Islam/Mo/Q from various sources - JW, books, other sites, I have, in my mind, distilled Islam to it's essence - Naziism.
1. Kill everybody not like us, esp. Jews.
2. Goal: World Hegemony by force.
3. Founder of Islam: racist, bigot, hater, mass-murderer.
Founder of Naziism: racist, bigot, hater, mass-murderer.
4. The repudiation of Christianity for paganism (Hitler).
The repudiation of the 350 pagan Arabian gods, only to make the chief deity, Al-ilah, God. But, it's pagan. (Mo)
If anyone else has any comparisons between Islam and Naziism, let me know.
Posted by: darcy at June 25, 2008 11:09 AM
From above: Who says all men are ferocious wolves?
Men? What 'men' are those?
Posted by: duh_swami at June 25, 2008 11:16 AM
Not a week will go by before half-literate Islamaniacs (whole armies of them) will come out of the desert and make excuses for this, or deny it outright.
A cult(-ure) of pathological liars!
Posted by: sheik yer'mami at June 25, 2008 11:59 AM
What ever will the apologists think of this?
You know...the ones who claim the hadith is slightly wrong about the age of Aisha. They like to calculate her age as about 16. Where they get that is a mystery. It is pretty plain:
There are a number of sources, all written by Muslims, that detail Muhammad's marriage and consummation with his young child-bride - Aisha. FROM THE HADITH OF SAHIH BUKHARI I have used Bukhari's Hadith, translated into English by Dr. Muhammad Muhsin Khan, at the Islamic University in Medina. Bukhari's Hadith is considered authentic by the majority of Sunni Islamic scholars. It is second to the Quran in terms of importance. The central figure to approve and sign the translation is Dr. Amin Al-Masri, Ph.D. Cambridge University. He is the Advisor and Head of the Sharia Dept., at the College of Sharia and Islamic Studies in Mecca. From Bukhari vol. 7, #65: "Narrated Aisha that the prophet wrote the marriage contract with her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: "I have been informed that Aisha remained with the prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death)."" Bukhari vol. 7, #88: "Narrated Urwa: "The prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death)."" Bukhari vol. 5, #234 says: "Narrated Aisha: The prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six. We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Harith Kharzraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became all right, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's messenger came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age." FROM THE HADITH OF SAHIH MUSLIM VOLUME 2, #3309 FROM THE HADITH OF THE SUNAN OF ABU DAWUD Abu Dawud's Hadith is the third most respected Hadith in Islam. From Abu Dawud, Vol. 2, #2116: "Aisha said, "The Apostle of Allah married me when I was seven years old." (The narrator Sulaiman said: "Or six years."). "He had intercourse with me when I was 9 years old." FROM THE HISTORY OF TABARI Tabari wrote the most authentic Islamic history. It covers 39 volumes. Tabari was one of the greatest Islamic scholars and the greatest Islamic Historian. From Tabari, volume 7, page7: "....my marriage (to Muhammad) was consummated when I was nine....." From Tabari, volume 9, page 131 "Then the men and women got up and left. The Messenger of God consummated his marriage with me in my house when I was nine years old. Neither a camel nor a sheep was slaughtered on behalf of me"......(The Prophet) married her three years before the Emigration, when she was seven years old and consummated the marriage when she was nine years old, after he had emigrated to Medina in Shawwal. She was eighteen years old when he died. NOTE FROM SAHIH MUSLIM Sahih Muslim, #5981 says that Aisha was so young that she played with her dolls in her house with her friends.
at June 25, 2008 12:00 PM
source:
http://www.exmuslim.com/com/evidence.htm
at June 25, 2008 12:02 PM
Doesn't get any more monsterous than this guy, right? Well, actually, it does:
“A man can have sex with animals such as sheeps, cows, camels and so on. However, he should kill the animal after he has his orgasm. He should not sell the meat to the people in his own village; however, selling the meat to the next door village should be fine.”
“A man can marry a girl younger than nine years of age, even if the girl is still a baby being breastfed. A man, however is prohibited from having intercourse with a girl younger than nine, other sexual act such as forplay, rubbing, kissing and sodomy is allowed.”
–Ayatollah Ruhollah Musawi Khomeini
at June 25, 2008 12:21 PM
Again and again the so called Islam experts confirm that female creatures is merely a commodity, they can be married before they even can walk or talk. Lets say UN could instill international laws and that marriage could only be between persons that have reached age of majority, then muslim women could never marry.
One do understand that they don’t want Islam discussed in UN HRC, a religion where half the population is a commodity and is for ever under aged, a minor that is incapable of managing their own affairs.
at June 25, 2008 1:02 PM
We call this child prostitution and pedophilia, no matter what they call it. Truly vile.
Posted by: OolongChung at June 25, 2008 2:03 PM
Another source:
http://www.islam-watch.org/alisina/AishaChildWife.htm
at June 25, 2008 2:07 PM
Pure evil its not a religion as much as a movement of slavery control and war.
We must elect leaders willing to fight this evil not except condone and encourage it.
In ww2 we had a certain properganda denounceing and makeing fun of the germans and japanese now we say they who wage war on everyone are misunderstood and we should look at there cultural perspective imagine if we did that with the nazi and the holocaust and the japanese medical experiments on the chinese.
I have a 12 year old daughter who i tell she can date but i will kill the boyfriend lol if she does not date when i die she gets everything lol .the point being i would not let any man touch or be with my daughter shes my baby when she is old enough to date i will be out of my mind lol i do not know how to handle it yet these guys are so programmed to use there daughters as breeders for allah the western culture is superior in many ways but in this i think most glareing way we care we care about the well being and pychological well being of our children they teach theres hate breeding disrepect of all others we must fight this evil we are one of very few nations left able to do it europe has been defeated if not in mind inpopulation growth it is up to us/.
at June 25, 2008 2:35 PM
Gee willickers, In Looziana, you used to get the death penalty for doing that...now you'll be able to get a marriage license.
Posted by: Jewel Atkins at June 25, 2008 3:28 PM
Why stop at age 1? Since sex determination is possible, why not marry the just conceived female fetii of Muslimahs to male fetii, or even to already born boys or even adult males? All that's required is that they don't consummate until she is at that ripe age of 9
Posted by: Infidel Pride at June 25, 2008 3:39 PM
He should not sell the meat to the people in his own village; however, selling the meat to the next door village should be fine....
Ever vile and duplicitous the mohametan halal butcher. Warning, do not buy, repeat do not buy, any meat products from a halal butcher in a neighboring town.
nabi ZK (pbum)
...believe it or else...
at June 25, 2008 5:32 PM
He should not sell the meat to the people in his own village; however, selling the meat to the next door village should be fine....
Ever vile and duplicitous the mohametan halal butcher. Warning, do not buy, repeat do not buy, any meat products from a halal butcher in a neighboring town.
nabi ZK (pbum)
...believe it or else...
at June 25, 2008 5:34 PM
Hey peeps. Sorry for the double post. But the message seems important enough to bear repeating.
nabi ZK (pbum)
at June 25, 2008 5:39 PM
This weekend in Toronto canada we will had a Parade where naked men can flaunt their sex oragns in front of little boys on the Parade route while the Mayor(ex-San Francisco resident) and Police Chief (Blair) ride on one of the Floats and endose this quasi-pedophilia by not stopping it .
The PC mind set has caused a real paradox for Muslims and Gays , neither one can condemn the other over the Pedophilia actions by some gays or by Muhammad himself .
Politicians avoid the issue while they spew their tripe about Child-Safety and Internet-Kiddie Porn by groups like NAMBLA , Canada's Federal Liberal Party was dragged kicking and screaming to actually vote on raising the age of conscent from 14 to 16 years of age.
They feared it would criminalize some Homosexuals that had the conscent from a 15 year old , but now we see that a dirty secret by a Liberal MP was hidden by the media and it was all about a the sexcapades with a 15 year old boy .
How odd that Mohammad Elmasry could one day get the Human Rights Commission to condone and defend Pedophilia and Rape when it's the creator of a religion that also oppresses females and still condones Slavery as long a the Slaves are owned by non-White Muslims that have the Quran to grant Slaves better Rights than old whitey in the west.
I'm actually waiting for the Afro-Centric ( black-only) Public School to open in Toronto right at the heart of a high-crime Balck area in Toronto , it should be fun to see how the Public scholl mocks Christains and Jews over the Creationism by a God while asserting to the African students that they came from Apes and Monkeys.
Just watch the fur fly when the Muslim Africans
go Jihad at the mocking of Allah and hearing about their alleged Prophet descending from a Simian .
Damn you all......damn you all to hell !
Planet of the Apes final scene with Taylor on the beach of the Atlantic Ocean side of America.
at June 25, 2008 5:45 PM
Couldn't help but notice the interviewer quickly changing the subject when the esteemed pervert was rabbitting on about Mohammed being the model pedophile.
Posted by: johndoe at June 25, 2008 6:05 PM
These people are animals.
Posted by: Madame Vengier at June 25, 2008 6:41 PM
Gee willickers, In Looziana, you used to get the death penalty for doing that...now you'll be able to get a marriage license.
Posted by: Jewel Atkins at June 25, 2008 3:28 PM
What's that about Louisiana? Please explain.
Posted by: darcy at June 25, 2008 6:48 PM
"We call this child prostitution and pedophilia, no matter what they call it. Truly vile."
Oh yes, but I have had arguments with fellow Catholics (of all people) who defend this "cultural difference" by saying that most Biblical scholars believe the Virgin Mary was only around 12 or 13 when she became pregnant with Jesus and married St. Joseph. They argue that the only thing unique was that she didn't have intercourse with her spouse but all the other maidens of that era were marrying at that same age and having sex. Their "argument" is that if it was okay for the Hebrew people to do it then why not the Muslims.
Anyway there's no solid evidence that Hebrew girls were marrying at 12 or 13. I believe that is an exageration. Even if it were so there is a big difference between age 9 and age 13 in any case.
Posted by: Madame Vengier at June 25, 2008 6:56 PM
Why stop at age 1? Since sex determination is possible, why not marry the just conceived female fetii of Muslimahs to male fetii, or even to already born boys or even adult males? All that's required is that they don't consummate until she is at that ripe age of 9
Posted by: Infidel Pride at June 25, 2008 3:39 PM
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The only problem with the male and female fetii getting contracted together in marriage is that the male wouldn't derive any enjoyment out of it. Have you forgotten one of the five pillars of Islam? The man is supposed to receive pleasure from, and be totally catered to, by the woman, and a male fetus wouldn't get said pleasure.
at June 25, 2008 7:04 PM
"...the Virgin Mary was only around 12 or 13 when she became pregnant with Jesus and married St. Joseph."
It's called "immaculate conception," and by God.
She wasn't forced to have sex by some repulsive misognist old man bearded human she was married off to by her relatives.
Just as Mohammedan girls are married off to, today.
Hello. Enormous, incalculable, difference.
Posted by: darcy at June 25, 2008 7:07 PM
"We call this child prostitution and pedophilia, no matter what they call it. Truly vile."
Oh yes, but I have had arguments with fellow Catholics (of all people) who defend this "cultural difference" by saying that most Biblical scholars believe the Virgin Mary was only around 12 or 13 when she became pregnant with Jesus and married St. Joseph. They argue that the only thing unique was that she didn't have intercourse with her spouse but all the other maidens of that era were marrying at that same age and having sex. Their "argument" is that if it was okay for the Hebrew people to do it then why not the Muslims.
Anyway there's no solid evidence that Hebrew girls were marrying at 12 or 13. I believe that is an exageration. Even if it were so there is a big difference between age 9 and age 13 in any case.
Posted by: Madame Vengier at June 25, 2008 6:56 PM
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Guessing Mary's age would be pure speculation; the Islamic sacred writings, however, are totally clear that Aisha was 9 when the Chief Sicko raped her.
at June 25, 2008 7:08 PM
darcy, Indeed I said that:
Gee willickers, In Looziana, you used to get the death penalty for doing that...now you'll be able to get a marriage license.
Click the link, dear.
at June 25, 2008 8:01 PM
Yuk, this guy looks like a lecher, pedophile, and serial rapist---a typical depraved muslim sex offender like his beloved prophet.
You can look at him and almost sense his expertise in islamic matrimonial law, one minute facet of the beautiful, holy sharia, the only legal system devised, written, and implemented by medieval misogynists that is still practiced today. Muslim women ought to be about fed up with this farcical travesty that has enslaved them for centuries.
Islamic marriages are so romantic! The bride doesn't even have to be there, much less consent.
Posted by: Susanp at June 26, 2008 12:58 AM
You know who this guy reminds me of?
Emperor Palpatine the Sith Lord in George Lucas's Star Wars series.
Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at June 26, 2008 2:16 AM
There was an old prophet called Mo (PBUH)
Whose libido had started to go
So he gave it a whirl with a nine year old girl
And she floated his boat, quick quick slow.
at June 26, 2008 4:03 AM
@ Darcy
"It's called "immaculate conception," and by God."
Actually, it's not called Immaculate Conception. That is something entirely different. The Immaculate Conception refers to Mary being conceived in the womb of her mother free of Original Sin. Just wanted to clear that up for the other readers here who may not know. It's a very common mistake. What you were referring to is the Virgin Birth.
Posted by: Madame Vengier at June 26, 2008 4:42 AM
@ Darcy
"It's called "immaculate conception," and by God."
Actually, it's not called Immaculate Conception. That is something entirely different. The Immaculate Conception refers to Mary being conceived in the womb of her mother free of Original Sin. Just wanted to clear that up for the other readers here who may not know. It's a very common mistake. What you were referring to is the Virgin Birth.
Posted by: Madame Vengier at June 26, 2008 4:42 AM
You're right. That's why Mary says about herself "I am the Immaculate Conception."
Posted by: darcy at June 26, 2008 9:04 AM
Islamic marriages are so romantic! The bride doesn't even have to be there, much less consent.
Posted by: Susanp at June 26, 2008 12:58 AM
You know what else is "romantic?" On the marriage contract there are 3 more lines for 3 possible other brides.
I kid you not.
Posted by: darcy at June 26, 2008 9:06 AM
Silly Infidels.
Ayesha was 15 when the prophet (PPOHP) had intercourse with her.
Six plus nine equals fifteen.
Another example of Islamic mathematics.
Posted by: tanstaafl at June 26, 2008 9:21 AM
Any indication that M. "thighed" her during the ages of 6 to 9?
Technically, this may not be considered as "having sex".
...I'm just asking.
at June 26, 2008 12:52 PM
Seems to me ol' Mo couldn't get a date with a REAL woman, someone with more experience...say a thirteen or fourteen year old.
I do commend him on waiting the three years to have sex with her until she was nine. That's probably why he didn't marry a two year old...he couldn't wait the additional four years.
Posted by: PorkFatRules at June 26, 2008 10:48 PM
Well as long as she was nine we'll forget all about it shall we?
Says all you need to know.
Posted by: DaveMate at June 27, 2008 4:21 AM
Does anyone have a list of the problem children, i.e., jihadi troublemakers here in the U.S.? I am working on a little project and need that information. I know a couple of years ago somebody had a website where you could go and put in a name and see what kind of mischief they were getting into. That would be helpful too. Thanks for your help.
at June 27, 2008 10:00 AM
Isabellathecrusader,
This list might be a good starter for you.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/020450.php
Posted by: Concerned Citizen at June 27, 2008 4:40 PM
Isabellathecrusader,
This link from that thread also looks good.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/020450.php#c525114
Posted by: Concerned Citizen at June 27, 2008 4:43 PM
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