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July 2, 2008

Scottish Muslim community leader contradicts councillor: Police puppy postcards no big deal

Looks like that apology from the department was issued a bit hastily (actually, it was unnecessary in the first place). But it underscores the existence of a climate of politically correct fear that is a product of the jihad of litigation and intimidation waged to secure special treatment for Muslims with respect to attire, speech, employment, and environment.

"Offensive puppy postcard claim dismissed," by April Mitchinson and Stefan Morkis for The Courier, July 2:

Claims that a promotional police postcard featuring a puppy is offensive to members of the Islamic community have been dismissed by one of Dundee’s leading Muslims.
A storm of controversy erupted yesterday after a report in The Courier revealed that some members of the Islamic community have complained about the postcard.
Dundee councillor Mohammed Asif claimed the postcard, advertising Tayside Police’s new non-emergency telephone number, could offend some Muslims because it features a black German shepherd dog sitting in a police officer’s hat.
It is understood some Muslims have been upset by the image because in Islam dogs are generally considered unclean and cannot be kept as pets— although they can be kept as guard dogs or for hunting.
The postcards, which were produced in late spring, have been distributed to homes and businesses across Dundee to raise awareness of the telephone number.
Tayside Police has since apologised for failing to run the seemingly innocuous ad by their diversity advisers after Councillor Asif raised the issue at a meeting of the Tayside joint police board.
But Mr Asif’s comments have won little support among the public or Dundee’s Islamic community.
Last night Mahmud Sarwar, trustee of the Scottish Islamic and Cultural Centre and the Dura Street mosque, appealed for calm.
He said he had no problems with the postcard and called on homeowners and local businesses to display them as it is in the public interest.
“I’ve not heard anything about that from members of the community,” Mr Sarwar said.
“I was round some shops today and at the mosque and nobody has said anything about it.”
Mr Sarwar said that religious sensitivities would prevent him from displaying the postcard on a building of religious significance but there was nothing to stop them being displayed in shops.
“There is not a dog—it is just a picture,” he said....

Posted by Marisol at July 2, 2008 12:18 AM
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I guess they realized they crossed the line into outright idiocy. But notice that there is still the expectation that their feelings should still be considered by the diversity officer in the future.

Posted by: lightlysalted [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 2, 2008 12:27 AM

Too late. I've already told the kids and they agreed. Our next dog will be black. Boys leaning heavily toward Rottweiler, but I"m thinking Chow.

Posted by: dm60462 [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 2, 2008 1:51 AM

Why doesn't anyone there stand up and tell these humorless dimwit Musselmen to shut their gits or pack up and leave?

Posted by: Dumbo [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 2, 2008 2:17 AM

So. The Muslims believe man's best friend is unclean, do they?

If they think the same way about cats I hope they don't dine in any Chinese restaurants.

Posted by: Toejam [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 2, 2008 2:20 AM

“There is not a dog—it is just a picture,” he said"

Then will you hold that postcard ?

Posted by: arjun.sevak [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 2, 2008 2:22 AM

I wonder if these muslims consider Snoop Dog a devil too?

Posted by: desidude [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 2, 2008 3:05 AM

Nice to know there's somebody out there who's realized how silly this religious DOGma sounds.

The ones who raked up this brouhaha in the first place need a (pork) pie in the face.

Posted by: Hedgehog [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 2, 2008 3:15 AM

Devil dogs is chocolate cake with creamy sweetened shortening in the middle. What's not to like?

Posted by: Jewel Atkins [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 2, 2008 3:36 AM

"It's not a dog, it's a picture of a dog"

Ceci n'est pas un chien

Posted by: The Heresiarch [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 2, 2008 6:00 AM

Stories of craven dhimmis actually exceeding the expectations of their new overlords are the most ridiculous. Relax dhimmis. Photos of dogs are still OK - for now.

Posted by: Jan Sobieski [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 2, 2008 7:34 AM

Just another Taqquiya by the Muslims. There is more to come as the numbers in Scotland increase. So expect to see more demands for Sharia and Muslim religious requirements.

Posted by: savsiv [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 2, 2008 8:30 AM

From the article: “There is not a dog—it is just a picture,” he said....

I wonder if he would be so blasé if it were a picture of Mohammed. “There is not Mohammed—it is just a picture,” he said....

I think we all know the answer.

Posted by: George Mc. [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 2, 2008 8:37 AM

Of course the Muslims who were "upset" are the better Muslims, the ones who more closely adhere to the model of the Perfect Man, Muhammad. And Mr. Sarwar is merely attempting to present the public face of a supposed "moderation" because he knows what damage to the "image" of Islam -- he's in the business of suavely protecting the "image" of Islam and of undoing the damage caused by those Muslims who make the mistake of being a little too blatant, a little too early, and Mr. Sarwar knows that, little by little, this is havig its effect on the Infidels, who don't like what they see, and if they don't like what they see, they are likely to start making inquiries into what the texts, and tenets, of Islam are all about, and even to find out what particular Hadith contain Muhammad's evident hatred for dogs -- but not just for dogs, but in the same Hadith, for statues as well.

No, can't have that. Must calm everyone down, very quickly. I'd do the same, if I were Mr. Sardar, and called myself a Muslim, and therefore felt a duty to defend, and protect, and promote, Islam, at the cost, of course, of the truth.

Posted by: Hugh [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 2, 2008 8:38 AM

Hugh:

I'm unsurprised that Mohammed hated dogs. They're everything that's antithetical to him:
loyal, useful, courageous,sociable and eager.
Why did Mohammed like cats?
Also the imam's reasoning is flawed. Moslems also dislike photos. Their iconolclasism compels them to foresake all images

xavuer

Posted by: xavier [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 2, 2008 8:59 AM

This is exactly the problem when Islam becomes the ruling religion and the Muslims take over. One group will profess their religion one way, then you will get another group that is more pure religiously. It is all a matter of interpretation. It goes with being ruled by a theocracy. The religious texts are always open to interpretation. Andalusia suffered from centuries of this under Islamic rule. You may be ruled for some time by one who is somewhat "moderate" or "less orthodox" and suddenly he is ousted by one who thinks that it's all heresy or not religious enough. The new despot is fanatical and merciless. You go from one extreme to the other. As a result, you as John Q Public, never know where you stand at any moment. What was acceptable yesterday is now punishable. Precarious life being ruled by capricious rulers. That is what you get with Islamic rule.

Posted by: norman [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 2, 2008 9:11 AM

"...appealed for calm."

Good reason for TROP's unrest and violence.

Posted by: emet-veritas [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 2, 2008 9:16 AM

So. The Muslims believe man's best friend is unclean, do they?

If they think the same way about cats I hope they don't dine in any Chinese restaurants.

Posted by: Toejam at July 2, 2008 2:20 AM

Mohammedans like cats.

Mohammed had a cat. The story goes that one day Mo woke up to find his cat asleep on his sleeve. Rather than disturb the cat, Mo cut off his sleeve.

That's the ONLY, and I do mean ONLY, charming story I've ever heard about Mo. And since I love cats, I do appreciate it.

I don't appreciate your "Chinese restuarant" remark.


*

"Why did Mohammed like cats?" --xavier

They're considered clean, which, of course, they are. In addition, they are also useful, loving and sociable. I know - I have cats and they are all of the above.

I hope this doesn't turn into some stupid dog/cat war here. The enemy is Mohammedans, remember that, not cats. Just because you personally don't like them. Gazillions do, so, lay off.

Posted by: darcy [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 2, 2008 9:18 AM

"It's not a dog, it's a picture of a dog"

Ceci n'est pas un chien

Posted by: The Heresiarch at July 2, 2008 6:00 AM

Enjoyed your Magritte "Ceci n'est pas une pipe" reference, Heresiarch.

Posted by: darcy [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 2, 2008 9:20 AM

"It is understood some Muslims have been upset by the image because in Islam dogs are generally considered unclean and cannot be kept as pets— although they can be kept as guard dogs or for hunting."

Typical Islamic logic. Dogs are najis, that is, unless they are not. Everything it seems in Islam is both sanctioned and prohibited simultaneously. The laws of Islam are always malleable, able to suit every Muslim need or desire on a whim. on another random day, the postcard could indeed be haram.

And the dhimmis trip over themselves in their haste to capitulate.

What isn't malleable is the negative view of and attitude towards all non-muslims, by Muslims, and the mandate to "strive" in the way of Allah and remove all obstacles to Islam's dominion.

I think I'll stick with the puppy and the promise of eternal hell-fire, thank-you-very-much.

Posted by: awake [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 2, 2008 9:39 AM

Doesnt take long to put the assimalated mask back on.

Posted by: Mr.Fitnah [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 2, 2008 9:49 AM

Whatever happened to the Scotland of the great Bobby Burns? Does it still exist?

Scots, wha hae wi' Wallace bled,
Scots, wham Bruce has aften led,
Welcome to your gory bed,
Or to Victorie!

Now's the day, and now's the hour;
See the front o' battle lour;
See approach proud Edward's power-
Chains and Slaverie!

Wha will be a traitor knave?
Wha can fill a coward's grave?
Wha sae base as be a Slave?
Let him turn and flee!

Wha, for Scotland's King and Law,
Freedom's sword will strongly draw,
Free-man stand, or Free-man fa',
Let him on wi' me!

By Oppression's woes and pains!
By your Sons in servile chains!
We will drain our dearest veins,
But they shall be free!

Lay the proud Usurpers low!
Tyrants fall in every foe!
Liberty's in every blow!-
Let us Do or Die!

Posted by: RBLA [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 2, 2008 10:02 AM

Lay the proud Usurpers low!
Tyrants fall in every foe!
Liberty's in every blow!-
Let us Do or Die!

Whatever happened to the Scotland of the great Bobby Burns? Does it still exist?

Posted by: RBLA at July 2, 2008 10:02 AM

No.


Posted by: darcy [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 2, 2008 10:14 AM

So how close are they in Scotland to evolving into some bastian of "moderate and tolerant Islam" like, I dunno, Turkey? (/end sarcasm)

Worth noting, Today is the 15th anniversary of The Sivas Massacre

Posted by: A Simple Sinner [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 2, 2008 11:00 AM

Darcy: Why did Mohammad like cats? Probably because he realized that they are smarter than he was. Laying in wait, ambush, may be something learned from cat behavior. Someone with warrior ambitions could learn a lot by watching cats. Most people think they own their cat. Not so, the cat owns you. Dogs recognize a master, cats do not. All in all, cats are more intelligent than dogs, and many humans.
A friend once told me that he wanted to be reincarnated as a rich persons house cat.
I like cats a lot because they are smart...not too long ago my cat of 12 years and my dog of twelve years, both constant companions, died within four days of each other. They were my best friends, never critical, never argumentative, always friendly and affectionate.
Dogs 'are' mans best friend, and I would include cats in that to a lesser degree...
As far as muslims are concerned, a 90 year old German woman told me, that her grandmother told her, 'You cant trust people who don't like dogs'...
I think there may be some truth in that...

Posted by: duh_swami [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 2, 2008 11:14 AM

Solving the Oil Crisis - Make the 4th of July Energy Independence Day

Posted by: Lumpy [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 2, 2008 12:26 PM

"Is your postcard haram?"

"No."

FATWA!

"I thought you said your postcard was not haram!"

"That is not my postcard."


. . . apologies to, well, everyone

Posted by: Marwan'sDaughter [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 2, 2008 12:37 PM

Darcy-

'no'

Have you ever been to Scotland? I don't mean on a sightseeing tour around Edinburgh castle..... I mean travelled around and met the people, gauged their attitudes in living their daily lives?

Let me tell you something about that lot North of the border..... They can be every bit as intelligent, charming and witty as perceived, but they can just as easily be as savage and unforgiving as their ancestors when they're riled.

Writing the Jocks off with one word tells me you're sorely misled as to what sort of Scotland exists now, never mind that of Rabbie Burns.

Posted by: Wishbone [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 2, 2008 1:31 PM

It seems that this Chief Constable Vine has been PROMOTED (not fired, but promoted), following this puppy incident. Now this character will be Chief Inspector of the UK Border Agency.

"Tayside Police is today pleased to announce the appointment of Kevin Mathieson (48) as the new Chief Constable of the Force.
From Monday, Mr Mathieson will succeed Chief Constable John Vine, who is leaving Tayside Police to take up a post as Chief Inspector of the UK Border Agency."

Posted by: DhimmiNot [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 2, 2008 2:11 PM

This attempt to mau-mau the Scottish public failed. Deny, regroup, plan next action.

Posted by: MP [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 2, 2008 2:23 PM

Mr Sarwar is obviously a little slow on the uptake. He seems to have allowed a perfectly good rioting pretext to slip right through his butterfingers. They can't very well march on the police station and burn it down now, can they? I mean they would look even stupider than usual, now he has publicly written off their excuse before they even had a chance to use it in anger.

Posted by: Monty [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 2, 2008 2:44 PM

It's disgusting that this even warrants a discussion with these people.

Posted by: Madame Vengier [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 2, 2008 4:57 PM

I love how Darcy calls them "Mohammedans". I don't know why, but I giggle every time.

Posted by: Madame Vengier [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 2, 2008 5:04 PM

I love how Darcy calls them "Mohammedans". I don't know why, but I giggle every time.

Posted by: Madame Vengier at July 2, 2008 5:04 PM

Bonjour Madame - Winston Churchill did. That's good enough for me!

duh_swami - I loved your post. Heartfelt condolences to you for your cat and dog "constant companions" and your "best friends." I feel for you, I know what you mean. Best Wishes, duh_swami, darcy.

Wishbone - No, I haven't been to Scotland. I hope you're right, and I hope I'm "misled!"

Posted by: darcy [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 2, 2008 5:57 PM

darcy - I've got Glaswegian ancestry and connections. The government of Scotland is neutered by political correctness, but many of the men and women it purports to serve are standing by to administer a right good bollocking to jihadists. That spirit is represented by the baggage handler who dealt with the ramavan crew at Glasgow's airport.
/Dinnae fash yoursel'.

Posted by: MP [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 2, 2008 6:08 PM

darcy - I've got Glaswegian ancestry and connections. The government of Scotland is neutered by political correctness, but many of the men and women it purports to serve are standing by to administer a right good bollocking to jihadists. That spirit is represented by the baggage handler who dealt with the ramavan crew at Glasgow's airport.
/Dinnae fash yoursel'.

Posted by: MP at July 2, 2008 6:08 PM

MP - my paternal grandmother was a Walker, and that's Scottish!

She played a mean game of golf and was no one to mess with! So, I know that Scots can defend themselves if they WANT to!

Posted by: darcy [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 2, 2008 7:03 PM

Walker, Scottish indeed - Whiskey and shortbread.
probably both haram!

Posted by: MP [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 2, 2008 8:11 PM

"This is not a dog, it is just a picture."- Mohammedan disinformation fellow Sarwar.

"An angel will not enter a house where there is a dog or a picture."
- The pedophile "prophet" himself.

(A picture of a dog should be the worst of this silly Islamic flapdoodle.)

Posted by: profitsbeard [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 2, 2008 9:35 PM

I heard Alan Colmes comment on this story tonight and Fox News showed a photo of the poster. According to Colmes, muslims were "outraged" about the poster and I had visions of riots, burning flags, and maniacal muslims. He also mentioned that muslims consider dogs "unclean" and judging by the expression on his face, this seemed to amuse him. He probably didn't believe it, thus the smirk. Mr. Colmes, the intrepid liberal journalist and commentator, is clueless about islam.

And the photo I saw was of a black Labrador puppy, not a black German Shepherd. I raise black Shepherds and the dog in the photo was not a German Shepherd, which is irrelevant except for the fact that there are so many discrepancies in this story. Muslims hate dogs, especially black ones. Could be an evil jinn, you know.

Posted by: Susanp [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 3, 2008 12:44 AM

At least it is nice to know that we kafirs are regarded the same as dogs---


106. The dogs and pigs which live on land are najis, and even their hair, bones, paws and nails, and every liquid substance of their body, is najis.

108. The entire body of a Kafir, including his hair and nails, and all liquid substances of his body, are najis.
http://www.al-islam.org/laws/najisthings.html

Posted by: doubtingthomas [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 3, 2008 3:44 AM

I once had a black Labrador named Tar Baby.
Could that be a double insult?

Posted by: no-ilsam-in-ark [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 3, 2008 4:07 AM

The dogs and pigs which live on land are najis, and even their hair, bones, paws and nails, and every liquid substance of their body, is najis.
I do not own pigs but I might have to consider doing so. As far as my dog, sorry lads I am not giving her up and will not apologize. Next dog may be named najis. God Bless my Scotish cousins, and quit apologizing for being Scotts.

Posted by: muslim_watcher [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 3, 2008 8:53 AM

@ Darcy

Yes, in past history for hundreds of years they were referred to as Mohammedans. Only in recent times did someone decide that was not PC and they became exclusively called Muslims. So "Mohammedans" kind of went the way of the dinosaur and you almost never see it now. That's why it's so funny when I see it here. Keep using it!

Posted by: Madame Vengier [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 3, 2008 11:32 AM

This Roman Catholic American gal loves her dachshunds and all dogs. But most especially I LOVE my GERMAN SHEPHERD -- he lives in the Vatican. Suit up! Saddle up! What time does the next Crusade begin?

Posted by: bevc [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 3, 2008 1:26 PM

@ Darcy

Yes, in past history for hundreds of years they were referred to as Mohammedans. Only in recent times did someone decide that was not PC and they became exclusively called Muslims. So "Mohammedans" kind of went the way of the dinosaur and you almost never see it now. That's why it's so funny when I see it here. Keep using it!

Posted by: Madame Vengier at July 3, 2008 11:32 AM

I will, Madame. But, I do see it all the time - on JW and DW.

I use "Mohammedans" in public, too. I couldn't care less whether PC idiots and Islamic Barbarians don't like it! Couldn't care less.

Posted by: darcy [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 3, 2008 4:34 PM

darcy & vengier

These days, I try and use the term 'Mohammedan' all the time, and avoid using 'Muslim' altogether. The reason they hate this term is the implication that they worship Mohammed (which they in fact do) and that they are a cult (which they are, as Ali Sina once explained). So it's more accurate to call them that for accuracy reasons alone.

In the past, there was this term 'M_zz_e', which Robert banned on the grounds that it appeared a racist term. Since the term 'Mohammedan' offends them a lot more than those other terms, I'd encourage others to use it over the term 'Muslim'. Only thing - I still use the term 'Muslimah' disparagingly to describe vaginal Mohammedans - haven't thought of a better term. Mohammedanette?

Posted by: Infidel Pride [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 5, 2008 11:27 AM

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