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"The man was sentenced to 8 months in prison and 600 lashes and his student to 4 months in prison and 350 lashes last November for establishing a phone relationship that led her to divorce her husband."
Sharia Alert. "Saudi man, woman face flogging for research work," by Andrew Hammond for Reuters, July 6 (thanks to Hot Air):
RIYADH (Reuters) - A Saudi appeals court is due this week to review the case of a biochemist and his female student sentenced to jail and flogging after a lower court ruled their research contact was a front for a telephone affair.
The man was sentenced to 8 months in prison and 600 lashes and his student to 4 months in prison and 350 lashes last November for establishing a phone relationship that led her to divorce her husband.
London-based Amnesty International says it will consider the two as prisoners of conscience if the verdicts are carried out.
"The charges ... do not correspond to recognizable criminal offences," the group said in a statement in April.
A spokesman for the government's Human Rights Commission said he was not immediately able to comment.
Rights groups and some Saudi reformers have criticized what they say is an arbitrary justice system unsuited to the needs of a country of 25 million people.
Judges who are religious scholars apply the rulings of an austere version of sharia, Islamic law, often termed Wahhabism.
The government, a key U.S. ally, says the system ensures justice for Muslims and non-Muslims. It is in the process of overhauling the organization of courts and codifying a formal penal code.
Depends on your idea of "justice."
The hospital where the man worked in al-Baha in the southwest of the kingdom put him in charge of the masters research the student was doing at the King Abdul-Aziz University in Jeddah in 2002.
The woman obtained a divorce seven months after she was married in 2004. Her husband then raised the court case, saying the supervisor's phone calls led to the break-up.
The supervisor, who asked to be identified only as Khalid, 32, told Reuters that over 12 months of trial he and the woman were refused permission to use lawyers or bring witnesses to testify.
The woman was represented in court by her father because Wahhabi rules require a male legal guardian.
Posted by Marisol at July 6, 2008 5:39 PM
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The family of the homicide bulldozer driver in Jerusalem now wants "an investigation".
I actually heard him say "Why didn't the police arrest him"?
The lawyer appeared to be an Israeli, but I could be wrong on that point.
http://www.reuters.com/news/video?videoChannel=1003&refresh=true
Posted by: Ummah Gummah![[TypeKey Profile Page]](http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/nav-commenters.gif)
at July 6, 2008 5:47 PM
"The charges ... do not correspond to recognizable criminal offences," the group said in a statement in April."
Amnesty International should receive first prize in the DUH! Awards for most obvious statement in the world.
at July 6, 2008 5:49 PM
where are the CODE PINK protestors to stand up for freedom of speech or fighting fascists when you need them...oops I forgot this womans name is not BUSH...
Posted by: pulsar182 at July 6, 2008 5:51 PM
I'm pretty sure that 350 lashes is enough to induce shock and kill the female defendant, even if the punishment is meted out over several weeks.
I'm quite sure that 600 lashes will kill the male defendant.
So, this is the great benevolent government of the Muslim nation with whose leaders our President, George W. Bush, allows himself to be photographed - holding hands - our "allies" in the fight for freedom and democracy in the "War On Terror" (pardon me while I suppress my gagging reflex at that insipid term).
Double-think: The ability to consciously think of two irreconcilably conflicting ideas and simultaneously believe both to be true. (Or words to that effect. From George Orwell's "1984".)
Now, if this is not Orwellian "doublethink", I do not know what is.
We need a national therapist to get our thinking straightened out. And a backbone in our so-called political leadership would help, too.
I'm thinking George S. Patton, Jr. could help a lot. Or Chesty Puller. Or Curtis LeMay. Or Admiral Nelson, or Winston Churchill, or anyone that's got any guts to fight.
That we are entangled with the Saudis is absolutely sickening.
Posted by: INFIDELATLARGE at July 6, 2008 6:06 PM
"The charges ... do not correspond to recognizable criminal offences," the group said in a statement in April.
But they do correspond to the woman's wimp husband's ego being damaged. Excuse me Mr. but maybe she didn't feel right about being married to a cousin or maybe you weren't any good in bed. Too bad your wife didn't have four witnesses but then, like 350 and 600 lashes for punishment, Islam never does use commonsense in what it says or does.
It is interesting that we won't drill in ANWR but we will continue to do business with totalitarians who think this sort of behavior in their court systems is just peach-ee. I wonder if the husband has a relative in that system?
Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at July 6, 2008 6:14 PM
If only the ME didn't have oil. Then we wouldn't have to deal with the Barbarians at all. Because that's all they have - oil. A geographical accident.
Posted by: darcy at July 6, 2008 6:21 PM
im thinking that they are thinking with the little brain between their legs in their other head . but then that head has no brain
Posted by: ISLAMSNOTFORME at July 6, 2008 6:49 PM
"If only the ME didn't have oil. Then we wouldn't have to deal with the Barbarians at all. Because that's all they have - oil. A geographical accident."
Posted by: darcy
Second that.
Amazing, isn't it, that the most violent, backward people on the face of this earth gained any significance at all not through any scientific or technical achievements, but due to the black sludge beneath their collective sandals.
This is ONE major reason the countries of the West need to find an "end run" around the energy/economic stranglehold they have on the rest of the world.
Posted by: PorkFatRules at July 6, 2008 7:22 PM
Good. let them behave like that in Saudi Arabia. I could care less what those Saudis do to each other, they are cretins anyways.
Posted by: Dumbo at July 6, 2008 7:28 PM
A day doesn't go by where I renew my pledge never to give to the Human Rights Industrial Complex.
London-based Amnesty International says it will consider the two as prisoners of conscience if the verdicts are carried out.
"The charges ... do not correspond to recognizable criminal offences," the group said in a statement in April.
Ever so brave of you, lads. Maybe if you stage a die-in on their behalves, you know, to really draw attention to yourselves their plight, you might sell more t-shirts...for Awareness Raising Purposes and all.
Posted by: Jewel Atkins at July 6, 2008 8:28 PM
Good. let them behave like that in Saudi Arabia. I could care less what those Saudis do to each other, they are cretins anyways.
Posted by: Dumbo
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Exactly what I think. Who gives a SH**? Just keep them AWAY from us so they can't act like savages over here.
Posted by: Ummah Gummah at July 6, 2008 9:04 PM
A Saudi appeals court is due this week to review the case of a biochemist and his female student sentenced to jail and flogging after a lower court ruled their research contact was a front for a telephone affair.
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No wonder there is so little scientific and medical research carried out in the "Muslim world".
from above:
The woman was represented in court by her father because Wahhabi rules require a male legal guardian.
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I'm rather surprised this poor woman wasn't represented by her disgruntled ex-husband.
Dumbo wrote:
Good. let them behave like that in Saudi Arabia. I could care less what those Saudis do to each other, they are cretins anyways.
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I do understand your frustration--but I do feel for these people, subjected to such barbarism. The main victims of Muslims are--as always--other Muslims.
Also, this is what they want for us. This is exactly the sort of thing that the adoption of Shari'ah would mean in the West.
Posted by: gravenimage at July 6, 2008 10:01 PM
Stickman wrote:
" a telephone affair"
sheeeesh, what a stretch.
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Even adultery in the generally understood Western sense becomes less meaningful when you consider the state of much matrimony in the "Muslim world", where unions are often arranged, even forced, and often the bride (and occasionally, even the groom) are underaged.
But often the stretch is much greater than this--fully consensual pre-marital relations are also considered adultery. And--worst of all--female rape victims, who have had the misfortune to conceive a child as the result of the crime, have themselves been convicted of "adultery"--with the pregnancy as proof. Rape victims have been stoned to death as a result--hideously victimized first by their attacker, and then by the Islamic state.
The idea that any of this represents "morals" is the greatest of ethical perversity.
Posted by: gravenimage
at July 6, 2008 11:57 PM
My apologies, Marisol, but this is such a tired subject for me.
Posted by: awake at July 7, 2008 12:03 AM
My apologies, Marisol, but this is such a tired subject for me.
Yep. Even on a holiday weekend, I'm predictable.
One has to think of the long haul-- there's going to be a lot more of the same. But on the other hand, stories like this provide fresh proof of the dangerous absurdity of Sharia law.
And, it's the points where one is tired, in a hurry, jaded, or ticked off that it's most important to maintain perspective, and have available some counterbalance to the gravity of the subject matter-- something in the spirit of Hugh's Interludes from last year.
Posted by: MarisolJW at July 7, 2008 1:20 AM
'for establishing a phone relationship that led her to divorce her husband.'
I don't belive that a woman is allowed to divorce her husband in Saudi-Aaria. More likely is that the husband divorced his wife when he suspected the phonecalls had something personal, even though that might even not be true
Posted by: Amal.Mamoul at July 7, 2008 3:07 AM
Not caring about what the Saudis do isn't going to help our situation over here. They have set up there own little Saudi jihadi assembly line, complete with 7 and 8 year olds singing that they will kill all the Christians, about ten miles from the nation's capitol, the Islamic Saudi Academy. They are promoting this crap here and now.
Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at July 7, 2008 4:31 AM
make that "alledged" affair...In Islam you really don't need proof of anything, accusations will suffice. people has been executed based on accusations...
Posted by: pulsar182 at July 7, 2008 6:32 AM
600 lashes!! That seems excessive. I cannot comprehend someone receiving 600 lashes. I hope he does not get them all at one time. How long would it take to administer 600 lashes? One hour, one and a half or two hours? Being beaten for one to two hours non-stop should fit the definition of torture or cruel and in-human punishment.
Posted by: norman at July 7, 2008 9:57 AM
"Judges who are religious scholars apply the rulings of an austere version of sharia, Islamic law, often termed Wahhabism."
I really dislike the use of "austere" here. I know it means "strict", or "forbidding", which I think are much better terms in describing islam in general, and sharia in particular.
"Austere", for some reason, makes it sound moral, which of course it is not.
Posted by: kutabeach at July 7, 2008 10:27 AM
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