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Anti-Dhimmitude Alert: Note, too, how Islam and race are conflated once again. “Swiss far right forces vote on minaret ban,” by Matthew Weaver for the Guardian, July 8:
Far right groups in Switzerland have collected enough signatures to force a nationwide referendum on banning minarets, the distinctive towers of Islamic architecture.In what is being seen as a sign of growing Islamophobia in Europe, more than 100,000 Swiss citizens signed a petition to halt the construction of minarets.
Under Switzerland's direct democracy rules, that level of support is enough to trigger a referendum. The Swiss interior ministry today confirmed a vote would take place, without setting a date.
The petition was launched by Ulrich Schlüer an MP from the controversial Swiss People's party, which was accused of racist campaigning last year.
[…]
The organisers of the petition argue that the minarets, which are used on mosques, are a symbol of political and religious claims to power, not just a religious sign.
Schlüer said last year: "We've got nothing against prayer rooms or mosques for the Muslims. But a minaret is different. It's got nothing to do with religion; it's a symbol of political power."
Schlüer’s point is validated by the subscription-only Brill Online Encyclopedia of Islam, which states in its entry on minarets: “[T]hroughout the mediaeval period, the role of the minaret oscillated between two polarities: as a sign of power and as an instrument for the adhan (call to prayer). As for the legitimacy of this latter polarity, however, the same minaret entry also points out that “It [the minaret] seems on the whole unrelated to its function of the adhan calling the faithful to prayer, which can be made quite adequately from the roof of the mosque or even from the house-top.”
If Schlüer's camp wins the referendum, the Swiss parliament must pass a law enshrining a minaret construction ban in the constitution.Opponents say such a ban would violate religious freedom.
More than 310,000 of Switzerland's 7.5 million population are Muslims, according to the federal statistical office.
The UN expert on racism, Doudou Diene, has said the campaign is evidence of an "ever-increasing trend" toward anti-Islamic actions in Europe.
Posted by Raymond at July 8, 2008 2:04 PM
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ever-increasing trend ~ we can only hope and pray.
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at July 8, 2008 2:15 PM
Brill Online Encyclopedia of Islam--which I am sure will have been mis-interpreted-mis-understood or incorrect...
I really do not see how banning a minaret will violate religious freedom. What, they can't pray without it? Also, every time I hear the word "minaret" I think of puppets...
at July 8, 2008 2:16 PM
Quote: "Opponents say such a ban would violate religious freedom"
- Why give freedom of religion to a violent, supremacist and triumphalist (To name but a few) religion? I don't see the logic in that.
I suggest that said right, enshrined in the universal declaration of human rights, be amended to include "Only applicable to inherently non-violent religions".
Makes sense, imho.
Posted by: Rogster at July 8, 2008 3:05 PM
On Dec. 12, 1997, Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan added his own lines to a 1912 Turkish poem at a public gathering in Siirt, Eastern Anatolia:
Mosques are our barracks,
domes our helmets,
minarets our bayonets,
believers our soldiers.
This holy army guards my religion.
The report in which Erdogan's poesy appeared may be seen at:
http://www.eurozine.com/pdf/2003-10-16-senyener-en.pdf
Posted by: Papa Whiskey at July 8, 2008 3:15 PM
In what is being seen as a sign of growing Islamophobia in Europe,
BY WHO MUSLIMS OR THE DHIMMI PC GROUPS more than 100,000 Swiss citizens signed a petition to halt the construction of minarets.
IT SOUNDS TO ME MORE LIKE SOME OF THE SWISS HAVE WOKEN UP AND DECIDED THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BE GOOD LITTLE DHIMMI
at July 8, 2008 3:50 PM
Papa W.
Erdoganazi also said in that poem: "Democracy is but a train which we shall board until we have arrived at our goal".
Sounds like Hitler to me. Exact same mentality. Same moustache even.
Posted by: Ummah Gummah at July 8, 2008 5:04 PM
Speaking of petitions: please sign the petition to the UN that the American (and European) Center for Law and Justice has online protesting the OIC pressure to ban "islamophobia" at
https://www.aclj.org/Petition/Default.aspx?sc=3359&ac=1
Thanks,
eve_anne_gelical
PS they are looking for organizations/website to link up with them in their petition drive. They have a presence in both New York and Brussels.
at July 8, 2008 6:08 PM
The UN expert on racism, Doudou Diene, has said the campaign is evidence of an "ever-increasing trend" toward anti-Islamic actions in Europe.
--
Why am I gettign censored for saying that this Doodoo who lives off the Swiss taxpayers has some nerve to call the Swiss names when his own islamic cohorts are massacring people far and wide?!
Should this racism "expert" not sweep in his own backyard before he points his finger at others?
Am I not allowed to feel and express outrage at this dastardly behaviour by an official of the U.nited N.ihilist O.rganization whose salary I too pay in part?
Are only moslems entitled to their "rage"?!
Posted by: Ummah Gummah at July 8, 2008 6:15 PM
"In what is being seen as a sign of growing Islamophobia in Europe"
Growing?
Lets be honest, the flood of Third World refuges was never sanctioned by the majority of people in Europe. Not the people who have to live with the consequences anyway.
The fact that Islam has exposed the hastily papered over fault lines plastered there by the people who don't have to live the consequences is proof enough.
The law of unintended consequences begins. In their rabid hatred of the white working class and their insistence that culture and genetics are irelevant the Left have facilitated the rise of the Far Right. The laws they are passing now restricting free speech will be turned on them.
The Old Men at the Zoo.
Doors once they are opened are very hard to push shut again.
Like their support of Hitler at the bequest of Stalin, the Left once again start the pilot lights of many ovens glowing.
The shame of it is, they'll deny their responsibilty for the piles of corpses. Unable, ever to understand the forces of human nature they've unleashed.
Next time they must be blamed.
at July 8, 2008 6:21 PM
Pf course the minaret is not necessary. It cannot be argued that Muslims need to have minarets from which a non-existent muezzin will utter the (not permitted because of sound zoning laws) Call To Prayer, or where, if a Call To Prayer is allowed, it is played and then amplified electronically, and there is no conceivable need for height.
Are there any devices that tell the time in Switzerland? Yes, there are. Do Muslims all over the world now have access to clocks, and watches? Yes, they do. Do they possess, on their calendars, in their fancy agenda books (oh, those rich Arabs, with their briefcases and their agenda books, and their Rolex watches, and their everything, all of it so completely, grotesquelly, undeearned, unmerited), or even homelier models for the just-us-folks Muslims, telling them the exact time of each of the five canonical prayers, in the tiniest town or village anywhere in the world? Of course they do.
The minaret is merely a sign of power, a sign of dominion over the churches and synagogues. Why do you think according to the Shari'a no church or synagogue can be built higher than a nearby mosque? Why do you think that mosques were always built on the highest ground -- for a nice example, see the mosque in Grenada, opened a few years ago (the Spanish government thought it would be a great idea, a demonstration of real "tolerance" for Muslims that would somehow be reciprocated -- it wasn't), that looms over a convent and a church, and with its Call to Prayer has disrupted the quiet lives of the nuns, who actually dared to protest. To no avail.
Minarets are claims of power, claims to dominance. That is what they are. And that is what these Swiss, called - you know what they were called -- "far right-wing" Swiss, have properly identified. And have petitioned for a referendum to be held.
I saw today, at 2 p.m., on the French channel, a French-language report from Switzerland. It showed the petitions being delivered with their 114,685 signatures. There was some patter about the government "being worried."
But think of it. If it is just a "far-right party" that was behind this petition, then the Swiss government should have no trouble at all holding a referendum on the matter. After all, how many votes can these "extremists" in this "far-right party" possibly get?
Why, practically none. I'm sure that those nearly 115,000 signatures constituted the entire membership of that "far-right party."
I'm sure you'll agree. So surely the Swiss government will obey its own rules, and now that the approriate number of signatures has indeed been gathered, will hold that referendum.
Switzerland is a democracy, isn't it? You know, William Tell, and a citizen's army, holding out for months in mountain redoubts against possible totalitarian enemies that might invade from without, and all that? So what could possibly be wrong with holding a referendum, and Letting The Swiss People Speak?
Could it be that the invasion they are worried about is not one that any citizens in mountain redoubts can repel, but consists of those already within the country, and growing in numbers, and in power, and in ability to influence the ability of the Swiss government to respond, as demonstrated most vividly in that Swiss government's reluctant or even hostile response to this very petition by its very own citizens, for a referendum on minarets to be held?
Posted by: Hugh at July 8, 2008 7:16 PM
If the Swiss REALLY wanted to help defeat the Third Jihad, they could freeze all that blood-drenched Muslim money in their banks, and share all sorts of interesting information with assorted kafir law enforcement agencies and governments; and they could also let it be clearly known that they are no longer accepting into their banks ANY money from any Islamic source.
at July 8, 2008 7:54 PM
Doudou himself is a corrupt symbol, like the Durban Conference on Racism or Iran and North Korea on the UN human right committee. He is a divisive, evil man, a product of his violent and hateful culture, and an all-around leecher and freeloader off Western goodwill. Here is part of Doudou's background (caveat, its Wikipedia):
Leaders of the Multiracial movement of Brazil were perplexed with what was said with the Doudou Dienè's report, saying that this does not reflect the reality of ethnic-racial country, promotes interests of groups that want to impose on the Brazilian Multiracials the Black identity, goes against the Declaration of Durban and collaborates with the conflict between Multiracials and Blacks in Brazil.
http://www.bravenewsworld.blogspot.com
Posted by: Max Publius at July 8, 2008 8:21 PM
If the Swiss REALLY wanted to help defeat the Third Jihad, they could freeze all that blood-drenched Muslim money in their banks, and share all sorts of interesting information with assorted kafir law enforcement agencies and governments; and they could also let it be clearly known that they are no longer accepting into their banks ANY money from any Islamic source.
Posted by: dumbledoresarmy
At the very least they should be doing this clandestinely. I am afraid that the "kafir" governments might not want to even have the information you're talkign about.
Remember Bill Clinton didn't want to know too much about bin Laden either back in the 90s.
These islamonazis really are lot like the German nazis. The German nazis also paraded around the streets and told the people they abused that soon they'd rule Germany and then the world.
Let's just hope that the islamonazis are equally wrong in the end!
Posted by: Ummah Gummah at July 8, 2008 9:05 PM
Hugh, when you mentioned clocks did you have one of these in mind?
Posted by: Ummah Gummah at July 8, 2008 9:10 PM
If you really want to torture your neighbors get one of these:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FHxiDUh2o0&feature=related
You can raise the dead with this one!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avqQpWROluI&feature=related
All I can say is if feisty these lil buggers annoy you.. you will NOT be ready for the real thing!
Posted by: Ummah Gummah at July 8, 2008 9:16 PM
Not one article in the press without the 'Far Right' smears.
Where do they indoctrinate these Gavin King clones?
Posted by: sheik yer'mami at July 8, 2008 9:27 PM
"has said the campaign is evidence of an "ever-increasing trend" toward anti-Islamic actions in Europe."
Gee, I wonder why. And, can we get some of that in America. Please?
at July 8, 2008 10:12 PM
..a sign of growing Islamophobia in Europe...
It's wake up time!
Posted by: Brett_McS at July 8, 2008 11:33 PM
Minaret: unnecessary.
Mosque: unnecessary.
Muslims: unnecessary.
Every Swiss home has a gun, thank God.
Posted by: CapitalistGig at July 8, 2008 11:54 PM
Brett, check out the Moskalarmclocks I posted links to above.
You WILL wake up when that thing goes off!
LOL
PS. I really woke up on 9/11 at 8:48 AM from the explosion of the first plane hitting the tower.
Posted by: Ummah Gummah at July 8, 2008 11:56 PM
Why protest from ordinary Swiss and none from the intelligensia and gov't?
IMO its:
1) Muslim oil money flooding into Europe. In stocks and buying politicians by the gross. This ensures their collective silence and passivity.
Much the same way D.C. was silenced by Saudi money.
2) The intellectual class has been morally and mentally bankrupt for decades. Steeped in the mental rot called post-modernism and deconstructionism, these pathetic creatures can no longer tell the difference between a harmless European Christian and bloodthirsty Muslims bent on imposing the Shariah in Europe.
at July 9, 2008 2:37 AM
The article “Swiss far right forces vote on minaret ban,” by Matthew Weaver for the Guardian, July 8:
Weaver should stay with FACTS at least
The People's party/UDC/SVP in all languages
is NOT a Far Right Force ..... but THE LARGEST POLITICAL PARTY IN SWITZERLAND
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_People's_Party
But ..... we also know that Matthew Weaver never reports details
Just out of interest I am posting here the official NOTE from the Swiss Government with the text (not of my liking though, that they put their advise into it ) They posted on the Gov. website.... when They received
OUR Initiative:
www.news.admin.ch - Federal Council acknowledges submission of the popular initiative `against the construction of minarets'
Federal Council acknowledges submission of the popular initiative `against the construction of minarets'
Bern, 08.07.2008 - The Federal Council acknowledged on July 8, 2008, that the popular initiative against the construction of minarets was submitted with 114'895 signatures (initiative committee figures). President Pascal Couchepin reiterated that several members of the government have publicly expressed their objections to a ban on minarets as sought by this initiative.
The initiative seeks to introduce a clause into the Federal Constitution prohibiting the construction of minarets.
It was launched by a group of private individuals and therefore does not originate from the government or from parliament. The initiative seeks to prevent the construction of minarets. It does not call into question the right of all individuals to practise the religion of their choice. Furthermore, it should be pointed out that a number of cantons have already rejected a ban on minarets.
The Federal Council will naturally be recommending that parliament and the electorate vote against the initiative.
Address for enquiries:
Oswald Sigg, Federal Council Spokesperson
031 322 37 03 (between 11 and 12; 17 and 18)
Editor:
Federal Department of Home Affairs
Internet: http://www.edi.admin.ch
Search in www.news.admin.ch
at July 9, 2008 6:56 AM
Hugh;
All Initiatives ... such as the Minaret one
Has by Law to be forwarded ...AS REFERENDUM
So the government cannot hold this back .... since the legal rule was met by the amount of signatures required
An Initiative after it has been placed, like this on the 8th of July, will via the usual course take a few months to be printed and be mailed to each Swiss Voter !!! .... no matter where they live
As well ALL over the world via their voting record ... and Embassy etc...
For this, it takes time, we expect the Referendum to come before the people most likely in 2009
We Swiss people vote each year on many Referendums
Government ones.... or Initiative ones
Easily I vote myself sometimes on a good dozen ones....
The majority will Vote via mail, this means more people vote
With the voting paper.... ALL Voters receive a printed information booklet via mail... with Pro and Contra Info ... etc...
at July 9, 2008 7:20 AM
"If the Swiss REALLY wanted to help defeat the Third Jihad, they could freeze all that blood-drenched Muslim money in their banks, and share all sorts of interesting information with assorted kafir law enforcement agencies and governments; and they could also let it be clearly known that they are no longer accepting into their banks ANY money from any Islamic source."
Wouldn't it be wonderful if all the banks in the world refused all muslim money? Great fantasy, too bad it will never happen.
As an aside - some people want to ban phrases like "islamic terrorism". I'd like to ban the use of "right-wing" to describe anyone who criticizes islam, as in "right-wing Dutch politician" Geert Wilders, and "far-right" groups in Switzerland.
at July 9, 2008 8:01 AM
Ummah Gummah,
LOL Absolutely horrendous clock! I want one. I'll put it on my desk at work, and set it to go off at break times! It would be a small, yet eloquent example of why we don' need no stinkin' Islam in the US!
Posted by: Abscedere at July 9, 2008 9:56 AM
"Not one article in the press without the 'Far Right' smears."
Sheik yer'mami,
I think this might be an example of what Orwell called "duckspeak", when an accepted word is quacked over and over so often that it loses all meaning, while remaining orthodox and correct.
Posted by: Abscedere at July 9, 2008 10:04 AM
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