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The superbly insightful Bill Warner discusses the Dalai Lama's dhimmitude:
The Dalai Lama said Sunday that "it's totally wrong, unfair" to call Islam a violent religion. This is not the first time that the Dalai Lama has spoken up to say that Islam is not violent. Where does he get his information? He bases his statements on what his Muslim friends have told him.For the Dalai Lama these Muslims represent the real Islam. They are not violent, and therefore, there is a peaceful Islam.
The Dalai Lama does not recognize the existence of a civilization called Islam. Islam has a highly detailed political doctrine that determines 100% of what a Muslim does to kafirs (kafirs is what the Koran calls unbelievers). This political doctrine includes what being "nice and moderate" to kafirs really means.
His opinions are of no consequence to Islam. Islam defines absolutely everything about a Muslim, down to how to say, "Hello".Start with the basics. All Muslims believe that there is no god but Allah and Mohammed is his prophet. Simple, but it demands that Muslims follow the Koran and the perfect pattern of Mohammed’s words and deeds (his Sunna). The Sunna is found in the Hadith (Traditions of Mohammed) and the Sira (Mohammed’s biography). Today, these three texts, the Trilogy, are available in readable editions.
The doctrine of political and religious Islam is contained in these three books. It is very simple--three books--a Trilogy. To know Islam, read the Koran, Sira and Hadith; don’t go and ask your Muslim friends.
This "peaceful Muslims = peaceful Islam" statements are actually about Muslim-ology, not Islam. It is perfectly fine to study Muslims, but do not draw conclusions about Islam from them. There is a cause and effect relationship that is confused. Islam causes Muslims. Muslims do not cause Islam. Muslim-ology teaches little about Islam.
This means that you judge Muslims by Islam, not Islam by Muslims. If you want to know anything about Islam read the Trilogy. If you want to know if someone is a moderate Muslim, use Islam to measure them, not personal opinion.
Islamic doctrine says that moderation consists of patterning your life after Mohammed’s perfect example and living by the Koran. By this standard of moderation, Osama bin Laden is a moderate Muslim. Osama follows the example of Mohammed, the warrior jihadist, and the later Medinan Koran. The Koran has two parts and the second part is about politics and jihad. A jihadist is a moderate Muslim.
But wait, what about those other moderate Muslims? They follow the Islam of the earlier Meccan Koran. So they are moderate too.
Islam is dualistic and has two different kinds of moderate. Here is the bad news. Islam is a process, not just a name. Both the Koran and the Sira, Mohammed’s life, show a process of starting off with civility, then demanding and next moving to violence as Islam grows stronger.
Mohammed preached the religion of Islam in Mecca for 13 years and gained 150 followers. He went to Medina and became a politician and warrior in jihad. In 10 years he conquered all of Arabia and died without an enemy left standing. Just as there are two Korans, there are two Mohammeds. Islam is dualistic in its nature.
Mohammed’s life was a dualistic process, an Islamic process of success. Those "moderate" Muslims represent the early stages of Islamification.
In Islam, doctrine matters, and doctrine is what the Dalai Lama doesn’t understand. What is his justification for ignoring it? Read his statements and comments. He never, ever, not even once, quotes any Islamic doctrine. He merely asserts that his Muslim friends have told him what Islam is. What if he asked different Muslims? He would get different answers.
The Dalai Lama is a hypocrite. In addressing Buddhism, he is very careful to quote doctrine and facts. When he talks about Islam, he just repeats what his Muslim friends say.
Here is the real tragedy. The Dalai Lama is not different from George Bush or any other politician. They know absolutely nothing about Islam, just what their Muslim "friends" tell them.
When will we have leaders who can talk from knowledge about the doctrine of Islam found in the Koran, Sira and Hadith? Hello Dalai, if you want to be a leader quote the Koran, the Sira and the Hadith, not your Muslim friends.
Posted by Robert at July 15, 2008 10:44 AM
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Could it be that the Dalai Lama is looking to "play it safe", not being bold and truthful after what he had seen when brave Pope Benedict XVI said the truth about Islam and having to take the heat afterwards?
The Dalai Lama is simply acting like a dhimmi.
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at July 15, 2008 11:11 AM
Dalai Lama: playing with scorpions and calling them kittens.
Maya (illusion) is a bitch.
Posted by: profitsbeard at July 15, 2008 12:00 PM
i gather that there is in fact a difference between Bin Laden's crashing planes into buildings and mainstream Jihadi belief. (Daniel Pipes affirmed this, for example.)
does the difference concern an interpretation of what is defensive and not, because offensive action requires the oversight of a caliph? is the difference also a matter of keeping muslims (in the world trade center) unharmed? or keeping islam's "good name" intact as the relative weakness of islam is fought in other ways?
perhaps all of the above.
it is a shame that His Holiness the Dalai Lama ... is a ninny.
Posted by: StillBreathing at July 15, 2008 12:02 PM
Islam is dualistic and has two different kinds of moderate. Here is the bad news. Islam is a process, not just a name. Both the Koran and the Sira, Mohammed’s life, show a process of starting off with civility, then demanding and next moving to violence as Islam grows stronger. - Bill WarrenIslam is a self-contradictory total-control-belief system over its adherents, controlling their every action and thought to create a paradox in the minds of its believers and non-believers (us 'kufr' who are not members of this Allah Cult) which necessarily means one is left in a perpetual state of confusion. Paradox by its nature is what in un-resolvable by any reasonable means so it can mean anything to anyone without holding anyone accountable for their beliefs or actions. So a ‘moderate’ Muslim can be violent, and that’s allowed by the rules of paradox, which absolves the perpetrator of crimes (against humanity) from personal responsibility. In effect, it excuses coercive criminal activity as legitimate in the total belief system.
So may the Dalai Lama claim “Islam is non-violent” by this paradox? Of course he can, but only at the price of accepting the self-contradictory paradox as reasonable to excuse criminal activity as ‘non-violent’, which is confusing at least, and in fact absurd. It is criminally damaging to the person caught in this web of deceit, and engenders violence against all who are non-believers in this Cult. Does the Dalai Lama want to perpetrate more crimes against humanity by this 'religion of peace'? This is his dilemma. As the top representative of a Buddhist religion that really is peaceful, he must be careful not to fall for the trap (of paradox) set for him by Islam.
at July 15, 2008 12:26 PM
The Dalli-man has become a bit of a hustler, that is if he wasn't one from the beginning. It could well be that he also has his hands out and his 'Muslim friends' see him as the useful idiot he is: by giving little they receive a lot of 'Muslimology' in return...
'Men of Faith' are such a pain in the neck. Just think of Peanut Khadr for a moment...
Posted by: sheik yer'mami at July 15, 2008 2:58 PM
BATTLE OF TOURS WROTE:
Paradox by its nature is what in un-resolvable by any reasonable means so it can mean anything to anyone without holding anyone accountable for their beliefs or actions. So a ‘moderate’ Muslim can be violent, and that’s allowed by the rules of paradox, which absolves the perpetrator of crimes (against humanity) from personal responsibility. In effect, it excuses coercive criminal activity as legitimate in the total belief system.
I don't know whether or to what extent Marx/Engels/Lenin/Stalin et.al. studied Islam when they developed their own toxic paradox as a semantic weapon for their ideology. For the past 150 years, Marxist Dialectical Materialism --specifically, its "Law of the Identity of Contradictions" -- has similarly been used to excuse "coercive criminal activity as legitimate in the total belief system."
However, in the history of totalitarian political ideologies, Marxism has been a mere "flash in the pan" compared to the 13 century history of Islam.
at July 15, 2008 3:46 PM
StillBreathing, the dalai LAMER is anything but a "holiness". he's a good ol'-fashioned con artist.
Idiots in Hamburg Germany filled a football stadium at €50 and up a head to hear the "holinbess" puit forth his "wisdom".
Give me a big fat break!
Thus it is no surprise that the "holiness" buys a little "insurance" with his deceitful words.
Believe me, this lamer KNOWS the truth about islam.
He cares nothing about his own people and even less about us.
Now THAT is a truth you can take to the bank!
And I just saved you up a bunch of €uros and a trip to the stadium near you when the holiness express comes through.
Back in the day you at least got a bit of snake oil. Now all you get is hot air at best and lies du jour for your foolishly wasted money.
For my money I can watch MSNBC and CNN for that.
Posted by: Ummah Gummah at July 15, 2008 5:18 PM
The Dalai Lama is playing the politics of troubled minorities in China's overland colonial possessions. The Uighur separatists and a number of other dissident groups in China are his natural political allies.
Also, this alliance may indeed be paying off on at least one of the DL's fronts. In 1994, when Hui, Monguor, Tu, and Salar Muslims in Qinghai rioted, they stayed away from the ethnic Tibetans, who were their traditional ethnic enemies, and attacked Communist Party and police sites. Politics can and does make strange bedfellows.
Posted by: Kepha at July 15, 2008 5:35 PM
Yep, the dalai lamer KNOWS exactly what islam is. He's just the most recent version of Bhagwan.
This guy is cold as ice.
I don't know what it is that causes some of our Western brethren and sistren to allow themselves to be brainwashed by these shallow merchants of self.
You can include Barack HUSSEIN Obama and Oprah Winfrey as very prominent and illustrative examples on that list.
Posted by: Ummah Gummah at July 15, 2008 5:55 PM
Asserting that Islam is a religion of peace by extrapolating from the actions and attitudes of a few cultural "in name only" Muslim neighbors and acquaintances (who may have never cracked open a copy of the Koran, the Ahadith and the Sira)
is like
asserting that Catholicism is doctrinally OK with abortion just because Teddy Kennedy and other politicians vote pro-abortion and still call themselves Catholics.
Posted by: urbanIIredux at July 15, 2008 6:14 PM
The Dalai Lama has to play these games if he wants to remain in the good graces of the western intelligensia, secular academics and Hollywood elite. Otherwise he loses their support and the Tibetans or whats left from them vanish from the world.
And the sad fact is every time he tries to be honest on a subject whether its feminism or homosexuality he gets labeled a Nazi because he's not politically correct.
And you know whats pathetic you folks are demanding a level of response that you won't even get from any major Christian leader.
And if he did take on the Muslims do any of you think he'd get backing from any Christian church? hell no! They'd let him be ripped apart because he's a godless heathen who deserves whats coming.
Remember in the eyes of devout Christians, Buddhists are godless people in league with the devil or worse sub-human(if you're Greek Orthodox).
Posted by: waltc at July 15, 2008 6:29 PM
Excerpt from the Vedic (Hindu) text Srimad Bhagavatam (ca. 3000 BC) regarding the Age of Deterioration – our current epoch:
SB 12.2.4: A person's spiritual position will be ascertained merely according to external symbols, and on that same basis people will change from one spiritual order to the next. A person's propriety will be seriously questioned if he does not earn a good living. And one who is very clever at juggling words will be considered a learned scholar.
SB 12.2.6: A sacred place will be taken to consist of no more than a reservoir of water located at a distance, and beauty will be thought to depend on one's hairstyle. Filling the belly will become the goal of life, and one who is audacious will be accepted as truthful. He who can maintain a family will be regarded as an expert man, and the principles of religion will be observed only for the sake of reputation.
The Dhimmi-lamma is a show bottle pseudo-spiritual politician whose main concern is filling his belly. He’s just what the atheistic pseudo-spiritualists are looking for – about as much substance as the cream atop your Frappachino.
Thanks to Bill Warner for looking out for us and calling a spade a spade.
at July 15, 2008 8:25 PM
rishika, that was great! Those Vedic texts are right on the money.
Damn.. I should have thought of Dhimmi-lama myself.
How about dhimmi lamer?
at July 16, 2008 2:23 AM
I'm not sticking up for the Dalai Lama, but it seems that he might be getting senile. That may be the only way to defend his attitude. Maybe...
Posted by: marineseabee at July 16, 2008 2:48 AM
When have we heard anything useful out of the man's mouth? I think he's a charlatan who skillfully exploits gullible Westerners in search of ersatz spirituality.
Posted by: Ummah Gummah at July 16, 2008 6:50 PM
"Remember in the eyes of devout Christians, Buddhists are godless people in league with the devil or worse sub-human(if you're Greek Orthodox)."
Posted by waltc above.
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Huh??????????????
Where did you get this crazy idea?
To the Orthodox Faith EVERY human person is created in the image and likeness of God. There is no such thing as a person being subhuman. Any person may give himself over to sinfulness and act beastly, but he still retains the Divine image.
Incidently, the Orthodox church has always recognized the sanctity of pre-Christian proto-prophets such as Plato, Aristotle, Zoroaster, and, yes... the Buddha, refered to in the Parables of Barlaam and Joasaph (Bodhisat) by Saint John of Damascus and other early Greek Fathers.
see:
http://www.sacred-texts.com/journals/jras/ns23-10.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barlaam_and_Josaphat_(book)
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02297a.htm
Also, in more recent times, the Holy Orthodox Emperor Saint and Martyr, Tsar Nicolas II personally built the Tibetan/Mongol Buddhist Vihara in Saint Petersburg in 1909. Construction was led by Czar Nicholas II's personal doctor, a Buddhist, who rallied funds from sponsors in Russia and even from the then Dalai Lama. The devoutly Orthodox Christian Nicholas was seen by Mongol Buddhists in Russia as their patron, personally supporting the mission of the Khambo Lama.
Russia is an the largest Orthodox Christian country but has several autonomous Buddhist republics (Khalmyk, Buryatia, and Tuva). Today, in Russia, there is full cooperation between Orthodox Christian priests and nuns and Buddhist Lamas and nuns in education and service to the poor.
See:
http://www.sacred-destinations.com/russia/ivolginsky-datsan-buddhist-temple.htm
http://www.sptimes.ru/index.php?action_id=2&story_id=15671
Posted by: Provoslavni at July 16, 2008 7:13 PM
The obtuseness of the Dalai Lama is particularly annoying on this. He should know better. Going out of his way to praise Islam and elevate it to the same level as other religions. Galling
Posted by: dennisw at July 17, 2008 12:17 AM
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