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Shocking, isn't it? "U.A.E. Official Attacks Zionism at Saudi Conference," by Joseph Goldstein for the New York Sun, July 18:
MADRID — The Saudi king's talk of tolerance and moderation notwithstanding, the Jewish state is proving to be a divisive issue at the religious conference that the Saudi monarch has convened here. [...]
But after a day's worth of speeches by Christian, Jewish, Muslim, and Hindu leaders, in the middle of the fourth two-hour conference session, a government official from the United Arab Emirates urged Muslim leaders to avoid the company of Zionists.
"We have to distinguish between Judaism and Zionism," the official, Izzeddin Mustafa Ibrahim, who is listed on the program as an adviser on cultural affairs to the president of the U.A.E., said. "Zionism is a political system. Judaism is a religion."
He continued: "I can speak to pacifists but not bellicists, who are in favor of war."
Mr. Ibrahim, a Muslim scholar of Christianity who said he has met with three popes in the interests of Christian-Muslim relations, then continued: "I have only one minute left," referring to the amount of speaking time allotted to him, and finished off his statements with a broad appeal to begin a "Judaic and Islamic dialogue."...
As for the Muslim World League and participants' actual level of participation in crafting the closing document, here is more from the New York Sun in "Saudi King's Religion Conference Ends on Sour Note," also by Joseph Goldstein, July 18:
[...] After declaring that "Islam is a religion of moderation and tolerance" during the opening address of the conference Wednesday, Abdullah left Spain for a visit to Morocco and the conference continued without its sponsor.
The legacy of the conference will depend largely on what further steps, if any, Abdullah, who is now 84, takes to urge a reconciliation between the clerics of the Muslim world and their counterparts among Christians and Jews, participants say.
Abdullah has not announced any further plans to host or visit with non-Muslim religious leaders. Yet, the closing communiqué issued by the conference participants yesterday did leave him with another opening: to seek a hearing before the United Nations.
The communiqué, a four page final statement that condemns a list of woes ranging from terrorism to sexual promiscuity, also urges Abdullah to convene "a special UN session on dialogue" between religions.
The statement also declared:
"Terrorism is a universal phenomenon that requires unified international efforts to combat it in a serious, responsible and just way. This demands an international agreement on defining terrorism, addressing its root causes and achieving justice and stability in the world."
And the statement urged people "to reject theories that call for the clash of civilizations."
The statement does not mention any religions by name.
The final statement, which was read by an official with the Muslim World League, Abdul Rahman Al-Zaid, rankled several of the conference participants because it differed from an earlier agreed upon draft. Under pressure from a conference participant, William Vendley of Religions for Peace, a second version was subsequently drafted which attributed the communiqué to the "conveners" of the conference and not the participants, as the earlier version had.
One complaint, which two participants voiced on condition of anonymity, is that the communiqué called for the Muslim World League to select some of the delegates for the suggested upon United Nations conference on interfaith dialogue.
The major complaint of many participants was that the document appears to have been revised at some stage without the consent of members of a drafting committee. And the vast majority of participants never had a chance to review any version of the statement before Mr. Al-Zaid of the Muslim World League read it aloud.
"For us as participants from other religions this is not an acceptable procedure for adopting documents," a Russian Orthodox priest participating in the conference, George Ryabykh, said.
Posted by Marisol at July 18, 2008 3:22 PM
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"I can speak to pacifists not bellicists..."
The Muslim has the knife, the sheep has the throat that is 'the natural order of Allah'.
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at July 18, 2008 3:39 PM
This is my favourite:
"We have to distinguish between Judaism and Zionism," the official, Izzeddin Mustafa Ibrahim, who is listed on the program as an adviser on cultural affairs to the president of the U.A.E., said. "Zionism is a political system. Judaism is a religion.
If muslims hate Zionism so much, they seemed to be happy with Political islam, even to rule the world?
How do you separate religious islam with political islam?
Sick people, sick religion.
The natural law of god os all are created equal, however, some hijacked god to be more equal.
I dont understand why other religious leaders want to deal with them in the first place, they are undermining other religious faiths and establishing the rule of islam.
There are no questions asked about a muslim converting to other religions and be given protection by muslims as non muslims will be happy to do.
If non muslims are to pray at home and not build temples & churches, then muslims from non islamic states should not bother to build mosques.
The only language muslims know is to deal with them in their own way.
Posted by: tjwork at July 18, 2008 4:01 PM
How tasty!
A fine feast of taqiyya for the Christians the mohammedans call dhimmis pigs. And a parting shot of putrid camel piss at their enemies the Zionist apes.
Mohammed would be proud of his plotting and deceitful believers as they follow his example.
But of course the greatest of all plotters, says the koran, is allah.
at July 18, 2008 4:16 PM
Why is it that none of these pompous purveyors of putative piety seemed to have had the testicular fortitude to mention the elephant in the room; i.e. Saudi noncompliance with anything constructive mentioned in the conference.
Moral weaklings, cowards and sell-outs all. Their only glint of courage was to anonymously bitch about having their work misattributed and rewritten by their overlords. Puhleeze.
Posted by: Concerned Citizen at July 18, 2008 4:18 PM
Islam is a political/religous system, you can't separate them.
When will these people that are attending these meetings learn.....that these 'interfaith' meetings are only for the Media and for propaganda.
Posted by: alaskan1000 at July 18, 2008 4:18 PM
...to begin a "Judaic and Islamic dialogue."
That dialogue has already been going on for 13 centuries ...with swords and cannons.
Posted by: SaracensAtTheGates at July 18, 2008 4:30 PM
This:
Yet, the closing communiqué issued by the conference participants yesterday did leave him with another opening: to seek a hearing before the United Nations.
Plus this:
And the statement urged people "to reject theories that call for the clash of civilizations."
Minus this:
One complaint, which two participants voiced on condition of anonymity, is that the communiqué called for the Muslim World League to select some of the delegates for the suggested upon United Nations conference on interfaith dialogue.
The major complaint of many participants was that the document appears to have been revised at some stage without the consent of members of a drafting committee. And the vast majority of participants never had a chance to review any version of the statement before Mr. Al-Zaid of the Muslim World League read it aloud.
Equals this:
Under pressure from a conference participant, William Vendley of Religions for Peace, a second version was subsequently drafted which attributed the communiqué to the "conveners" of the conference and not the participants, as the earlier version had.
Curses!! Foiled again!!!!!!!!!!
Guess we now know what the purpose of this conference really was...
Posted by: mepeteart at July 18, 2008 4:47 PM
from above:
"Terrorism is a universal phenomenon that requires unified international efforts to combat it in a serious, responsible and just way.
There is that word again . . .just as in justice
In Islam, that simple word has a very different meaning - as do many other words we use with reckless abandon within the context of Islamic dialogue. A mistake made too often with predictably tragic results.
Islamic justice? Think of sharia compliance which is absent of any tinge of the Universal declaration of human rights.
From the video "Farewell Israel" a segment titled "Freedom, Justice and Peace" states the following:
"So different are Western and Muslim world views that identical words can have two different meanings." The film demonstrates through archived video, the use of common terminology and it's conflicting interpretations.
"In the West, "freedom" is the ability of individuals to participate in the formation, conduct and lawful removal of governments from power, the basis of Constitutionalism and Parliamentary government. For the Islamic world ruled by foreign powers in modern times, 'freedom' meant 'national independence' from 'foreign rule' which they equated with 'tyranny'. In the West, the opposite of 'tyrrany' is 'Freedom'.
In Islam, the opposite of 'tyranny' is 'justice'. For Muslim thinkers, 'justice' is the ideal.
snip
The film continues with archived footage, further demonstrating this crucial dichotomy.
As for the word "Peace", Westerners have liberal and romantic images of harmony between groups and nations. In Arabic, the modern definition of "Salam" simply means an "absence of conflict" as in the word "truce" in English. The Arabic word "Sul-ha" defined as "reconciliation" is much closer to the Western definition of "Peace". For example, the Arab-Israeli conflict was in a state of 'Salam' between the years of 1956-1967 from a Muslim point of view, yet there was no peace from a Western point of view."
This Saudi-led "interfaith" dialogue further demonstrates there IS NO bridge that can be built to span such an apparent intellectual chasm.
Posted by: heroyalwhyness at July 18, 2008 5:21 PM
Jesus, the Son of God, our Lord said, "Be clever as serpents and gentle as doves." Unfortunately these good clergymen forgot about the clever part. They were used, abused and duped by Jihadists who if given the chance will burn their Church, abuse their parishioners, and thrown them into prison.
The more I hear about Islam, the more demonic it sounds.
Posted by: James Martel at July 18, 2008 7:31 PM
Thankfully this Circus of Hell has come to an end. The Islamic Satanists have pulled off a great show including forging the papers of confirmation. Again, I ask: Was there not one person there with the guts to fire some "real" questions at these terrible magicians?
Posted by: Briars at July 18, 2008 10:15 PM
"Circus of Hell"
LOL. The results were so assured that the ringmaster didn't even stay to watch the show.
Posted by: Concerned Citizen at July 18, 2008 10:23 PM
Definition of "interfaith".
We are busy taking over your civilisation and we don't want you to notice.
at July 19, 2008 2:19 AM
Exactly, Dsinc-Muslims are like a virus-and logical resistance is the antibiotic.
Posted by: AryanMjolnir at July 19, 2008 2:56 AM
"We have to distinguish between Judaism and Zionism," the official, Izzeddin Mustafa Ibrahim
i ass-ume he means between the independent jews of the state of Israel and the dhimmi jews of his country living under islams boot
After declaring that "Islam is a religion of moderation and tolerance"
ROTFLMAO what has Abdul been drinking
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Terrorism is a universal phenomenon that requires unified international efforts to combat it in a serious, responsible and just way. This demands an international agreement on defining terrorism, addressing its root causes and achieving justice and stability in the world."
today its almost universal rational would appear to be the belief amoung a lot of muslims that islam must be the ONLY religion on earth and that muslims must fight in jihad to make this happen
when was the last time you heard of a hindu or a jew or a cristian blowing something or some one up www.worldunderfire.com/ -
at July 19, 2008 6:48 PM
This is a total joke, I wish someone would stand up and tell those Saudi Nazis to shove their religion and Kabba up their fascist wazoos. Such hypocrisy is evil.
Posted by: Dumbo at July 19, 2008 10:19 PM
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