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August 5, 2008

Fitzgerald: How Western governments should deal with Muslim immigrants

"Regarding the issue of the burgeoning rate of Muslim immigrants to Canada, Weinstein declares that, 'some kind of form must be signed that prohibits entry into Canada of people that believe in the Muslim Brotherhood ideology. This would make it possible to conduct denaturalization and deportation proceedings.'" -- from this article

What should be called for, reasonably, sensibly, is not only strict controls on admission of those who "believe in the Muslim Brotherhood ideology," but even more, strict controls -- that is, a prohibition -- on allowing into Canada those who agree with the ideology of Islam, with all its supremacist aspirations. See, if you can stand it, the history of Islamic antisemitism in Andrew Bostom's sourcebook The Legacy of Islamic Antisemitism. No doubt he, or someone else, will provide the two companion volumes that need to be written, one on the history of Islamic anti-Christian textual writings, and another on Islam and the treatment, under Islam, of the adherents, and the religious monuments, and the artifacts, of Hindus and Buddhists and others who never formally qualified, as Christians and Jews did, to be considered "People of the Book."

Western governments should deal with those who consider themselves to be Muslims as if they know, and of course believe, in the texts and teachings of Islam. And those texts and teachings require from those who believe in them a literal belief in Qur'an, as glossed by the Sunna. It is not enough for some Muslims to insist that we Infidels should simply accept their assurances that their version of Islam is just swell, nothing to worry about. In the first place, there are the formal doctrines that justify, even mandate, lying about the nature of Islam, and about the particular Believer's own beliefs, or version of that faith.

Though taqiyya (religiously-sanctioned dissimulation about these matters) originates in Shi'a Islam, as a way to protect Shi'a from persecution or murder by Sunnis, the same doctrine has Qur'anic justification (see Qur’an 3:28, and the relevant Muslim commentaries on that verse). And it has for a long time been practiced by Sunnis as well, though some -- such as Tariq Ramadan -- will when caught out indignantly insist otherwise. And of course "mental reservation" or kitman (that is, not saying everything you think, deliberately holding some things back) is a practice analogous to, and overlapping with, the taqiyya that the Sunnis practice and that did not originate with the Shi'a.

We also have the evidence, too much evidence, of Muslims who may, when they are suffering from entirely non-political problems or setbacks -- of the kind universally acknowledged -- or from depression or other states of temporary mental disarray, find their way back to Islam. That is, they find their way back to the full Islam. And that can only spell trouble, always and everywhere, for the innocent Infidels into whose lands those Muslims have been permitted to enter and to settle.

Is it the position of the government of Canada, or of other governments, that the survival of the nation is to be based upon a mere theory? That theory, so pious and so treacly and so sentimental and so much in keeping with the Spirit of the Age, the Age of False Tolerance, the Age of Diseased Sympathy, is that we must believe that Islam is just a "religion" (and not a Total Belief-System with a coherent politics and geopolitics). We must further believe that All Religions Mean The Same Thing. These theories must be held, must be defended at all costs, must be clung to, despite their being clearly contradicted by the evidence, the textual evidence of Qur'an, Hadith, and Sira, and of the main Muslim writers on Islam over the past 1350 years, and by the main Western students of Islam during the heyday of free and untrammeled scholarship, before the Great Inhibition set in, several decades ago.

Is it on the basis, then, of an Article or Articles of Faith, that Jews -- and then Christians, and Hindus, and others -- are to have their lives made more unpleasant, expensive, and dangerous, because Western elites, political and media, cannot take the time, cannot be intrepid enough, to get beyond these hobbling and now dangerous pieties and see the meaning, and the menace, of Islam steadily and whole?

Posted by Hugh at August 5, 2008 2:48 PM
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None Shall Pass....

Posted by: Kuffar [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 5, 2008 3:07 PM

When I first applied for an F1 visa to this country in 1992, one of the questions I had to answer was whether I was, or had ever been, a member of the Communist party. In other words, I had no illusions that if I was one, I was not exactly welcome (hard to believe that today with McCain and Obama as the candidates, but that's another story).

If everyone was wise to Islam, the same thing would be the case here - immigration forms could have questions like 'Are you a Muslim', and if yes, answer sub-questions a-z, like 'Do you believe in ultimately introducing Shariah law if the US ever gains a Muslim majority' and so on. [The above was a trick question: while someone may think that Shariah is a fair thing to have if a majority wants it, it would atract more truthful responses, therebe giving immigration authorities what they need to block affirmative responses, while negative responses that are disproven later can incur perjury driven deportations]

This is just a watered down version of what i believe given the reality: if there was any sanity left, not only would all Mohammedan immigration be banned, but all Mohammedans living in the West - including native converts - should be deported either to their Islamic ancestrial homes (like Pakistan) should they exist, or to Mecca if they happen to be from another Infidel country.

Posted by: Infidel Pride [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 5, 2008 3:26 PM

Until Islam shows something better that its current record of behavior...close the doors to all Muslims...Ban Muslim Immigration ...ban it totally and immediately..

Posted by: exsgtbrown [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 5, 2008 5:45 PM

The problem is that even if the Muslim immigrant swore truthfully that he did not have any truck with the supremacist ideology of Islam, that will not prevent him or his wife from teaching the same ideology to their children, now comfortably esconced as American or Canadian born, thus totally immune from removal.

It is the long term one must think of when one is dealing with what is to be done about Islam.

Posted by: DP111 [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 5, 2008 6:15 PM

Reduce them all to dhimmitude. Maybe when they have to pay extra taxes (for the extra security we need due to their presence) and are made to feel completely and truly burdened (rather than eagerly accepted and accomodated) they will quit immigrating to the West. And maybe those already in the West will return to the beloved ummah. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 5, 2008 7:30 PM

Like Tracy Ulman "GO HOME, GO HOME"

Posted by: jane doe [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 5, 2008 11:57 PM

These mohammedan refugees from Somaila are certainly a problem all over the States as we now see Tyson Foods exchange Labor Day for one of the mohammedan holidays.The Tyson family and executives may think they are in charge but they are indeed dhimmi. Yes, dhimmi and traitors to their country.

In Minneapolis the dhimmi City Fathers and Airport break all rules for the mohammedans and force their people to become dhimmi. They throw the Americans With Disability Act out the window in favor of shria and thus are dhimmi and traitors to their country.

We need NO mohammedans in this country although I fear we may yet elect one as Caliph.Expell the mohammedans as Enemy Agents.

Posted by: muslim_watcher [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 6, 2008 10:19 AM

"How Western governments should deal with Muslim immigrants"

Summary firing squad.

Posted by: Eversor [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 8, 2008 5:06 PM

Unsuspecting we are, too trusting we are, surrounded by jinn we are, their name is mohammed & they are everywhere-he is everywhere.

YHWH help us all.

Posted by: AustralianInfidel [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 8, 2008 11:37 PM

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