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Switzerland has for decades been the home, or the second or tenth home, for many rich Arabs. The Omani doctor, the Kuwaiti contractor, the Saudi prince with houses in Vevey, Lausanne, Montreux, who merely spend money, and money, and money (and of whom Swiss bankers and real estate men are naturally and inordinately fond), provide a kind of brake based on short-term interests to a sensible realization that those ever-expanding and ever-more numerous mosques are not quite seen as the threat they are. This is particularly striking in a country that has prided itself (and sometimes, as in the period 1938-1945, shamed itself) on keeping non-Swiss out. And of course it does not help that the anti-mosque or anti-minaret campaign in Switzerland is led by someone who can easily be identified as on the "right" or "far right."
It would help, in Switzerland, if those Swiss who receive short-term financial benefits from their deals with rich Arabs -- fine fellows all, naturally, not like the "extremists" who are "easily identified" and "can be dealt with" -- had a bit more patriotism, and less cupboard love so directly related to their own self-interest and so little related to the national interest correctly defined.
And it would help if others, especially in the French-speaking parts -- Geneva, Lausanne, Vevey, Montreux -- of Switzerland, among those who are certifiably "un-right-wing," were to grasp the meaning, and therefore the permanent menace, of Islamic Jihad.
But this would require a coming-to-their-senses by many more people. Otherwise, even without being a member of the E.U., the Swiss -- supposedly so solicitous of their national identity -- may succumb (at a slower rate, of course, than in Great Britain or France) to an ever-larger Muslim presence. To counter this, the issue of the minaret is a good one because it is now widely understood that the minaret is not essential to the mosque. Rather, it was adopted as a symbol of power by early Muslims. It was and is a way of o'ertopping existing bell-towers of the Christians. The minaret has been seen as a symbol of such power, bristling with aggression ("the minarets are our bayonets" as a Turkish Muslim leader said). The minarets are symbols of Islamic triumphalism.
One hopes that there will be a citizens' revolt against the bien-pensants of the Swiss government, but where's the William Tell, or a million of them?
Those who are building these minarets mean to signal, among other things, that they are in Switzerland to stay. But citizenship in any Infidel country can or should only be based on swearing allegiance -- and meaning it, and meaning it permanently, not with the mental reservation of kitman -- to the Infidel nation-state. That means forswearing that sole loyalty to, or indeed any loyalty to, a belief-system that demands its adherence to work for the spread of Islam, and for the imposition of as much of the sharia as is practical.
This is a minimum demand for any Infidel nation-state to make on those who wish to become citizens, if that nation-state wishes to preserve and protect its own political and social arrangements and its own way of life, and its own Indigenous Infidels who inherited and would like to hold onto this legacy, this inheritance, political, social, cultural, artistic -- even in clumsy, even in slightly ungrateful fashion. And it is a demand that no true Believer in Islam can possibly meet.
Take, for example, the case of one Mohammed Karnous, who, according to a 2005 IslamOnline report, declared that “government officials were expected to attend [a meeting of a Muslim group] to listen to minority leaders and address problems facing Muslims.”
"Expected"? By whom? By the imperious Muslims who put on "their annual meeting, themed the Mercy to Mankind, in Fribourg."
"This is unacceptable and inexcusable," League of Muslims in Switzerland (LMS) leader Mohammad Karmous said to IslamOnline.
What a tone of imperiousness. Whose country is it? Why are Muslims permitted to settle in it at all, given the clear views of Infidels that are contained in Qur'an, Hadith, and Sira? Do Muslims think we cannot read? We cannot study what they learn, cannot find out what they are taught, cannot find a click away online what is actually in the biography of Muhammad, uswa hasana, that model for all Mankind, al-insan al-kamil? Do they think that we read the dozens upon dozens of Jihad-verses in the Qur'an, the hundreds of stories advocating mistreatment, looting, murder of Infidels in the Hadith? All of them are easily located. And why not? They have to be made accessible, if the Believers are to read and know them. One cannot make them widely available at every Muslim website and not expect the Infidels to begin eavesdropping, or dropping in, or beginning to study the matter -- not as credulous Believers, but as the intended victims of those Believers, unless of course those benighted Infidels choose to "revert" to Islam.
The arrogance of this man, and of his group. Why should any official in Switzerland, or anywhere else, dignify and inadvertently promote these gatherings, which are inevitably part of the propaganda of local Muslims? No, the time for that nonsense is past -- except perhaps among such people as Grover Norquist and all his brothers-and-sisters under the skin in the Democratic Party as well.
Posted by Hugh at September 7, 2008 7:07 AM
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I could explain in detail just how the minaret is not just the symbol of power, but also a sex symbol, not of the joy of consensual sex, but as in the case of rape, the joy of dominant power,
but this is not a porno site, so I won't explain it in detail...but I'm sure the reader gets the drift...
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at September 7, 2008 1:54 PM
Hey, the Swiss were willing to mobilize their whole country more effectively than almost every other European country to counter the Nazi threat. And for years they were completely encircled by the Fascists, while most of Western Europe let them walk over them without a shot like Denmark. Now they let these oil rich scum walk all over them
Posted by: Dumbo at September 7, 2008 3:07 PM
The majority of Muslims in Switzerland are Kosovans, Albanians, Bosnians and Turks. They are perceived as non-threatening European guest workers who do not display their Islam so overtly and are not seen as alien and other apart from a tendency among the Balkan immigrants to indulge in criminal and anti-social behaviour.
Arabs,on the other hand, are seen as jihadists and supremacists but there are very few actually living in Switzerland and contributing to the economy as working members of society. They come here, shop at the Bahnhofstrasse, stay at 5 star spas and go home.
Thus, the Islam of those resident is not seen as a menace. It is fairly discreet. The mistake the Swiss are making....aside from the SVP and its proposed ban on minarets.....is that they fail to see that Islam itself is supremacist and that this ideology is covertly adhered to by those from the Balkans and Turkey...they just don't make it so obvious.
at September 7, 2008 6:17 PM
Dumbo,
The Swiss were also described as "Hitler's bankers", there has been a long struggle by the families of Nazi victims to recover stolen assets held in Geneva banks. As to the country's "neutrality", some Allied planners considered bombing Swiss factories because they were supplying materiel to the Nazis.If there's money in mosques they will appear everywhere.
mac
at September 7, 2008 6:24 PM
Some Swiss did profit a bit off of the war, but most of them suffered economically from a near blockade. They also maintained a strong defensive stature at a time when they were totally surrounded and were dependent on the Nazis for all outside communications. They gave sanctuary to countless Jewish and other enemies of the Nazis as well as Allied servicemen who experienced a working class holiday level of internment in Switzerland. To act like they were Nazi allies is a smear since most Swiss hated the Nazis and Fascists
Posted by: Dumbo at September 7, 2008 7:05 PM
Dumbo
Well put.
Right now we are in an existential war with Islam. It is only in Switzerland that the people have the right to force the government to do their bidding. No where else in world, even in the Western democracies, have the people the power to stop Muslim immigration or the building of mosques etc.
If the people of Switzerland say "NO" to minarets, and hopefully, to mosques in the future, despite the pleading of the Swiss government, then this will be the first real blow that Islam will have suffered recently in the West.
at September 7, 2008 7:38 PM
Turn it around. Where the minarets are...well, it makes it easy for the non-Muslims to zero in on the mosque and the Muslims. It signals - 'here we are!'
And 'here we are' can become 'come and get us!'
That extreme visibility, that in-your-face arrogance could become a distinct liability, a standing provocation, the moment the European 'ents' wake up (I speak as a Tolkien fan) and find that they are strong.
The minarets will be dynamited first.
Or they will end up being formally exorcised, cleansed, and re-used as...bell towers.
Still, best not to have any minarets in the first place.
Wake up Switzerland. First, forbid the minarets. And forbid the muezzin. Just say NO, and keep on saying NO, no matter what; and the louder the Muslims complain, the bigger the bribe that they offer, the angrier they are at the thwarting of this or that demand, the clearer it should be that NO is the correct word for kafir to use.
Then, once you've got into the habit of saying No to minaret and muezzin, say NO to mosques and islamic schools. They are the politico-social equivalent of Nazi or Bolshevik rally halls and indoctrination centres.
The answer to sharia creep and the stealth jihad is simple: just. say. NO.
Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at September 7, 2008 7:59 PM
"The mistake the Swiss are making....is that they fail to see that Islam itself is supremacist"
Yeah, the Swiss are making that mistake, and so are the French, Italians, Germans, Dutch, Belgians, Norwegians, Swedes, Finlandians, Spanish, English, Canadians, Americans, Australians, Indians, Filippinos...
Posted by: DenverRodeo at September 7, 2008 10:04 PM
Dumbo,
We'll agree to differ, I refer you to www.jcpa.org/cjc/ jl-377-silberman.htm for a less favorable view of the Swiss role in WW2. My point is they will take anybody's money and until the notorious secrecy of the Geneva bankers is changed we won't know. Wouldn't you like to know how much dirty money( including jihadi funds is laundered in Switzerland)? I would.
Posted by: Mac at September 7, 2008 11:10 PM
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The mistake the Swiss are making....is that they fail to see that Islam itself is supremacist
Do some decent research. Actually, the highest court supported a verdict including the statement that Islam aims for world rule (the Lübke case).
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(and sometimes, as in the period 1938-1945, shamed itself)
Do some decent research.
google for
1938 evian conference
3
Mac
Do some decent research.
Laundering is easier in the US nowadays.
However, thank you all for your envy. That is the most honest form of a compliment.
Posted by: FreeSpeech at September 8, 2008 3:52 AM
Switzerland has never been an Islamic nation - so why should it allow itself to become one?
Ban Islam to the status of a private, home-practiced religion. All mosques, minarets, Islamic cultural centres and Islaic public buildings, influence and practices relating to Islam should be removed.
Europeans (and all Westerners) have the right to remain non-Islamic. Islam must be undermined, and removed from the public arena.
Posted by: Stefcho at September 8, 2008 4:57 AM
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