On the Left-wing European blogs, Muslims argue that the Hadith documenting Aisha's age are "dubious". When pointed out that there are at least six in Bukari that corroborate one another, they claim that they are all sourced back to Hishams father, "who was elderly with a failing memory". When you point out that several are narrated by Aisha herself, they deny, obfuscate, look for any reason to insist that their scripture doesn't say what it says.

From three different narrators, here is the basis for legalized pedophilia in the Islamic world...

From the collection of Bukhari
Volume 5, Book 58, Number 236:
Narrated Hisham's father:
Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married 'Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she was nine years old.

Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64:
Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).

Volume 7, Book 62, Number 88:
Narrated 'Ursa:
The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).

Posted by: Cornelius at September 15, 2008 10:35 PM

I find this whole thing revolting. Why? I have a ten-year-old daughter. Most girls aged nine don't even have *breasts* or pubic hair! Even in the well-nourished western world, most nine year olds haven't even started their periods. In much of the Islamosphere - in places like Yemen, Sudan, Somalia, Afghanistan - girls would surely be thin and small and stunted, their maturation delayed by poor nutrition and no medical care.

So Muslim clerics are saying that it's perfectly legal and acceptable for a flat-chested immature frightened little girl to be HURT by a man of 20, 30, 40, 50, 60. They're sacralising sadistic child abuse of the worst kind.

ICK. Many of the girls thus abused must surely be permanently physically damaged by being subjected to something that their bodies are just not yet ready to handle. I wonder how many of them bleed to death? I wonder how many of them suffer fistulas (and are then tossed out with the garbage, as used goods)?

Seems to me that there must be an awful lot of deeply sick men in the Islamosphere who find it sexually exciting to cause 1. extreme pain and life-threatening physical damage and 2. terror in little girls; men who for some weird and perverted reason, find screams of pain and fright, or the frozen silence of terrified catatonia, more exciting than the happy whoops of a joyously pleased adult woman.

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at September 16, 2008 12:36 AM

She's a good woman.
She's thirteen.

Where is Chevy Chase when you need him?

Posted by: prole_feed at September 16, 2008 1:01 AM

I don't have any kids but still finds this "practice" utterly revolting. I also find islam utterly revolting.

Posted by: Robin_Shadowes at September 16, 2008 1:13 AM

All things considered, I'd say the fact that he is getting a little public push-back is a mildly encouraging sign.

A possible sign of intelligent life in Morocco.

Posted by: joeblough at September 16, 2008 1:17 AM

How dare people try to hold Muslims to kuffar, humanistic standards which conform to the Golden Rule, based on the idea that females are human beings?

Honestly, I'm convinced that Muslim men are pathetically poorly-endowed as the result of millenia of inbreeding, and the Abu Gharaib pics proved me right. While everyone else gets bigger and better (human penises are larger proportionally than they are on any other animal, so this is a fact), Muslims have to resort to sex slavery carried out under physical duress without the consent of the woman (or more commonly, small child or toddler). Just like Muslims are the only people who keep getting uglier and uglier, so they keep getting more poorly-endowed, stupider, and more beastly generally. They practice fgm so women won't know the difference or have any standards whatsoever, which Muslim women obviously don't or they would choose to be with men who treat them like human beings and are actually good in bed. This is why you hear about Muslim girls dying from fgm but not from sexual trauma. It's simply never very severe, physically anyway, because they're raped by MUSLIMS.

Muslims are all pedophiles. Why do you think they're obsessed with virginity? Why do you think they insist that women shaved their pubes? Why do you think their notion of female beauty consists of the extent to which women are able to dehumanize themselves through silence, immobility, and submission, thus tranforming themselves into the inanaimate blow-up dolls they so look forward to in the afterlife? Have you ever met a Muslim woman who didn't talk in a fake little-girl voice like a self-respecting adult with a backbone, a soul, and half a clue? Me neither. If Muslims don't go to hell, those 72 virgins are nuns toting AKs. I just know it.

Posted by: jdamn at September 16, 2008 1:31 AM

This is an interesting indication that, in Muslims countries that have been French colonies, Islam shall collapse!

Several Morrocans have a Western influence in their education AND they shall be deeply hurt by islamic teachings (and (radical) Islam is growing in Morroco) as soon as they know how far it goes: like here, radicalised Muslims justify Mohammad pedophily and want it to be legal; Western educated Muslims are against it!

Islam is ripe for collapse in Morroco!

In Western Europe, North African Muslims are also either Islamic Muslims either Western values Muslims.

Islam is about to collapse!

Dear Muslims, if you want to be happy, convert to christianity!

Posted by: Coaltaxopeuh at September 16, 2008 2:35 AM

"Islam is about to collapse!"

Hopefully in our lifetime. But I wouldn't bet on it.

Posted by: ImNoDhimmi at September 16, 2008 7:33 AM

ImNoDhimmi, I wish I could agree with you, but you're wrong. Egypt was colonized by the British and later the French and now it's Satan's *sshole in every imaginable way. It's just a matter of time until Mrocco completely descends into complete Mohammedan darkness and backasswardness. Moroccans imigrants in France don't speak French because they've tried so hard for long to Arabize and have been quite successful. Furthermore, Moroccans have zero concept of democracy, freedom laicite`, decency, or progress. No, they're no longer French in any way, shape, or form, nor can ever aspire to be until Islam as a whole implodes and they all finally admit that the emperor has no clothes, which probably won't happen until we glassify Mecca and Medina. Arabs are Arabs. And soon the French will be too.

Posted by: jdamn at September 16, 2008 7:37 AM

I am not French, but French is my native language.

NO, the French people shall not become muslim!

There shall probably be conflicts in France between radical Muslims and the others. But Islam shall be defeated! Why? Just because when absurdity faces the truth, it collapses soon or later.

Therefor, one should dare telling the truth.

Posted by: Coaltaxopeuh at September 16, 2008 7:47 AM

jdamn,
I was quoting the poster above, who seems to think the collapse of islam is imminent.

Posted by: ImNoDhimmi at September 16, 2008 7:49 AM

Islam will collapse because like everything else on the planet, Islam is subject to entropy. It is also subject to dilution. The larger the Ummah gets, the more difficult it gets for Sharia to control it.
The inner circle is looking for purity (in all the wrong places), but the outer masses are looking for rock and roll. Rock and roll dilutes Islam, that's why those in the inner circle seek to destroy music stores. But rock is not the end of Islams diluters, interfacing with the west at all, also dilutes Islam, the attraction to western ways and goods dilutes Islam. The bigger the Ummah the harder to control thought and desire.

Some muslims may develop a conscience and view marriage and sex with a child to be abhorrent no matter what the scriptures say or what Mohammad did.

Some muslims may like rock, art, and the ability for lovers to hold hands in the park without being arrested by the 'religious' police.

Some muslims may actually think that women
don't get fair treatment in Islam.

Some muslims want to get rid of Sharia, 'Muslims against Sharia', some muslims want to dump ahadith.

These people are all apostates as far as the inner circle is concerned, and deserve punishment, there are too many and they can't get to them all, but they try by threats, intimidation's, and making examples of numerous offenders.
The inner circle is tight, but the fringes are unraveling. They need the whip to control them. But the intelligent muslim prefers rock and roll to the whip, and so Islam dilutes.

Mohammad never had to destroy a music store to keep rock and roll from taking over.

And he never had to contend with 'Planned Parenthood', or 'Childrens Protective Services'. These don't exist in Islam, and the inner circle will see that it stays that way.

From article: "I am a confirmed theologian and I have not made this up. It is the prophet who said it before me,"

He said that without batting an eye. It's not 'his' doing, it's the Prophets, and whatever is good enough for the Prophet is good enough for good muslims.

I wonder how many nine year old wives he has...?

Posted by: duh_swami at September 16, 2008 9:17 AM

Why doesn't "abdullah Mikhail" comment on this article?

Chicken?

Posted by: CGW at September 16, 2008 9:38 AM

ImNoDHimmi, I was totally responding to the poster above you. This is what happens when I type before I finish my coffee. My bad.

Posted by: jdamn at September 16, 2008 10:10 AM

Interesting, how women are vilified throughout the Koran, and yet the codgers set their eyes on the unveiled child as desirable, only to put her out with the trash when she is no longer useful in anyway. To be a woman in Dar el Islam is to be a doormat, a punching bag and then a garbage bag. To be a little girl in the House of the Prophet is to be a toilet.

Posted by: Jewel Atkins at September 16, 2008 10:13 AM

She married at *SIX* years old. At 9 year old she was dragged, kicking and screaming into the "most perfect human"'s bedroom and fucked.

Since the kicking and screaming part clearly indicates that she did not want this, it obviously qualifies as rape.

Of course, rape "within marriage", sex if the woman fights to prevent it, is perfectly legal. Combined with the fact that a woman's permission is not needed.

But please correct your facts. She was married (without even her knowledge) at 6, and was fucked, against her will, at age 9.

Posted by: tomcpp at September 16, 2008 10:18 AM

In large parts of the Middle East, Pakistan, India and Bangladesh there is a common fallacy or superstition that sex with a minor girl cures impotency.

Quite a few cases of child rape occur because of this belief.

Posted by: Hedgehog at September 16, 2008 10:45 AM

From above: She was married (without even her knowledge) at 6, and was f---ed, against her will, at age 9.
Posted by: tomcpp

That basically seems to be correct, but apparently there was sexual activity prior to intercourse, fondling, 'thighing', etc.

That he had sex with her when she was nine depends or ones definition of sex. 'Oral sex is not sex', said the master.

I disagree with that, I also suspect Mohammad had 'sex' with her before he had 'sex' with her.

That's not a difficult concept if you think about it. We are led to believe he kept his hands off her for three years before raping her? I seriously doubt that...

Posted by: duh_swami at September 16, 2008 10:50 AM

Coaltaxopeuh, you mean like the way the French fought off the Nazis? What planet are you living on? If the British let themselves become Arabs, so will the French, only twice as fast and without a fight. Remember who the only NATO country to not commit forces to Iraq was. Remember 'freedom fries?' If the Spanish bend over and let terrorists decide elections like they did in 2004, imagine how gimpily the French will deal with it when the day comes. No, France will be the first country in Europe to be completely Islamized, so long as Britian actually stops actively rocketing themselves back to 1000 BC at every possible juncture(I realize that the advent of Islam took place in the 7th century, but those Bedouins were 1700 years behind even the Aborigines).

And duh_swami, I have to disagree with you. If you had gone to Egypt 40 years ago and told all those women that in 40 years they would all be rocking the Dark-Age Nazi save rag, they wouldn't have believed you. If you had told them that women working in hospitals would refuse to practice proper hygiene because that requires bearing the wrist, they wouldn't have believed you. Islam just gets more radical, more extreme, and more Islamic. Wahhabism, Salafism, Deobandism, the Iranian Revolution - they were all regressive movements. The 'anti-Hadith' (denial) Muslims are marginalized, just like the Ahmadiyya, just like any Muslim who tries to evolve and ditch the jihad, ditch the sexism, ditch the sex slavery, the pedophilia, the incest, the parsitism-as-career, or to in any way apply Western Enlightenment ideals or actual, Golden Rule morality to their sick 'way of life.' Laws in Muslims countries just get sicker and more backward. Egypt just relegalized fgm and lowered the age of marriage to 9. Killing apostates and infidels is officially sanctioned in these countries, as is honor murder. When Islamic truly countries civilize/Westernize enough, they all eventually have an overnight 'reformation' and rocket themselves back 1000 years in time, as was the case in Egypt, Morocco, Pakistan, and Iran, countries which were semi-modern only 30-40 years ago. No, the undoing of Islam will only come once Islam has been disproven once and for all and the Muslims - who have an absolutely unparalleled, absolutely batsh*t flippin' crazy capacity for denial and delusion - realize the falseness that is Islam. If they can't just look at the world and see its inherent failures, which are ridiculously obvious, and were even 1000 years ago, they need to at least see Mecca and Medina occupied, if not glassified. That's Islam's Achille's heel. Sure, it has many Achille's heels, as it's a house of cards built on a mudslide, but Muslims can't admit that the earth is round, that women are genetically equal to men, that Islamic societies cannot prosper or progress, that their Pervert produced neither prophecy nor miracles and therefore can't be a prophet, that religions must derive from objective morality and cannot dictate what is or is not moral and that Islam is inherently immoral/amoral in every possible way. Outright humiliation of the entire Muslim world is the only way, just like it was with the Shinto, unless we completely isolate ourselves from the Muslim world and just let them all cannibalize, in which case they'll still never admit that they're wrong. Muslims can't admit to speeding when a cop pulls them over and shows them the gun that says how fast they were going. Imagine millions of them all admitting that everything they've thrown their entire lives away on, everything that gives them their identity, everything they've ever known, is wrong. I can't see it happening. Societies don't un-Islamize unless every individual refuses to be Muslim in their hearts, as in the case of Greece or Spain, and that only happens after short occupations, and only if the occupying Muslims are driven out. I wish the West would do that with all the seditious Muslims, but we're too spineless and self-loathing.

And those semi-civilized Muslim to which you refer still can't recognize or admit that the countries they left are abject failures because of Islam. Not a one of them. Not even Zuhdi Jasser (who I believe is a taqiyya artist of the highest order anyway). They want to Islamize the free world. They operate on the same false assumption that all Muslims have always operated on: that if they just had one more society to parasitize they could finally get it right, that that society, once Islamized, wouldn't either parasitize yet another society or, if isolated, simply cannibalize. They want the 'real Islam,' but they can't admit that Saudi Arabis IS the real Islam. Or, even crazier, they suffer from the delusion, usually after years of Islamic 'education,' that Islam and human rights or Islam and democracy can coexist, even though being a Muslim necessitates supremacist, dualistic, Muslim/kuffar ape or pig to be raped/enslave/murdered, man/sex slave thinking. If they could actually progress, actually leave their sicko/pervert parallel universe and join the rest of us over here in reality, they simply wouldn't be Muslims. The smarter, more decent of those folks end up leaving Islam anyway.

Posted by: jdamn at September 16, 2008 10:51 AM

Where is Robert Spencer or his censor? The phrase "Muslims are all pedophiles." is apparently okay.

I take grief from RS or his aides for my anti-Muslim posts, because they "play into the hands of the enemy" yet this whole Jihad-Watch site does exactly the same thing.

I don't expect this message to be posted, as I'm on a special list, so this is really for the censor.

Either you review the messages for appropriate content or you don't.

How many standards do you have, apparently "double" is not sufficient.

And you want e-mail addresses so you can send private e-mail, but you don't contact those who post prior to banning them.

I'm beginning to think this is more about "Community Organizer" than actually accomplishing anything. All this site, and others like it seem to accomplish is to get people annoyed at Muslims and Islam. Also, I think I read in the Patriot Act about a prohibition against anti-Muslim speech in the Patriot Act.

Posted by: Dr. T at September 16, 2008 11:28 AM

jdamn,

you are spot on!

You could see it in Morocco, in Tunisia, in Egypt and Turkey, all of which were more Westernized and 'liberal' 30-40 years ago than now.It is the same in Turkey and Iran,in Malaysia and especially Indonesia, which were pretty liberal, livable places then.

I have witnessed how Muslims, who migrated to Europe in the sixties, became westernized, only to make a total about face later and force their wives to wear the veil. If its not the older ones, its the young ones that find religion, their 'identity'.

Its not caused by poverty, if you give them money they use it for weapons. Its not caused by lack of education, because if you educate them, they learn how to fly jets into buildings, or to make bombs.
Its not 'our fault' because of the crusades or of colonialism, but because they suck the hatred in with the mothers milk. Its because THEY HATE. That's what islam teaches: HATE.

'Islam is like a tsunami'- the imam told me, with whom I had a few mediation sessions. He is right. Islam is a tsunami. I have seen it in Iran, before and after the Islamic revolution, which reminds me very much of the situation in Pakistan at the moment. In Indonesia in the seventies not one single woman or child wore a hijab. Now you see nothing but hijab. In the end, Islam means submission. And they know, in a society, where one wrong word or action can send masses of people into 'a fanatical frenzy, more dangerous than hydrophobia in a dog'- it is better to submit. Its also a matter of survival.

We cannot coexist.

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at September 16, 2008 11:29 AM

Amazing, my comment was actually posted.

So I've been removed from the censorship list.

Posted by: Dr. T at September 16, 2008 11:30 AM

jdamn...I'm not sure what you are disagreeing about.

I basically said Mohammad had sex with Aisha before he had sex with Aisha.

Or were you referring to the prior post about dilution, and entropy?

jdamn: The 'anti-Hadith' (denial) Muslims are marginalized, just like the Ahmadiyya, just like any Muslim who tries to evolve and ditch the jihad, ditch the sexism, ditch the sex slavery, the pedophilia, the incest, the parsitism-as-career, or to in any way apply Western Enlightenment ideals or actual, Golden Rule morality to their sick 'way of life.'

You are right, they are marginalized by the inner circle I spoke of. The fact that they exist at all is proof of the dilution of Islam that I spoke of.
Where would you think 'Muslims Against Sharia', comes from if not the unraveling fringe? The very ones that Sharia is losing control of.
These people do not think they are marginalized,(even though they are) and according to them their ranks are growing.
I consider them apostates, (which is a good thing) they disagree...at any rate that is their problem.
Islam will not unravel or dilute fast enough to help dar al-harb much, without help.

The whole point of reeducating muslims is to encourage their unraveling, to end the entanglement that is Islam. This of course is what sites like Faithfreedom.org strive to do.

So in the end, I'm not so sure we have a disagreement...

Posted by: duh_swami at September 16, 2008 11:58 AM

See Cornelius's post, the first one. Why then does Raymond in the piece write "After all, if the most "perfect" man married a 9 year old..."?

He married a 6 year old, not a 9 year old, according to the Islamic evidence.

Posted by: DenverRodeo at September 16, 2008 4:04 PM

T, would you argue that paedophilia is just as common in the west? Or that the authorities look the other way? Or that child sex trafficking isn't occurring in states like Qatar and the UAE? Legally?

Posted by: Jewel Atkins at September 16, 2008 8:29 PM

lol jdamn. In Sweden we have nicknamed them orcs. Reading your description of them I wonder if that isn't the best darned nickname I've seen so far.

Posted by: Robin_Shadowes at September 16, 2008 8:45 PM

Yeah, duh_swami, I was referring to the other post. I completely agree with you that the sexual assault of a brain-damaged 6-year-old absolutely constitutes rape.

Dr. T, if all Muslims weren't pedophiles, why would (a) Muslims be obligated to 'marry,' and (b) the Sharia sex slavery ('marriage') contract contain a line for the sex slave to sign on saying that she's a virgin? The obsession about/requirement of virginity is outright pedophilia, as is the requirement that females, once they're actually women, shave their pubes.

Perv Mo is the Perfect Man, whom Muslims are to emulate in word, deed, and thought. He didn't just engage in pedophilia. He glamorized, idealized, and advocated it. The Ideal Muslimah Sex Slave is 6 years old. Why would all these hellhole governments be so insistent on allowing children to be sold into sex slavery by their parents if they didn't condone pedophilia as a basic core tenet or their cult/fascist political movement?

I have never actually heard a Muslim condemn pedophilia. Sure, there are reports like this one of hypothetical Muslims with hypothetical outrage, but where are they on YouTube? On IslamOnline? Ever actually watched a Muslim condemn pedophilia, or for that matter, sex slavery, incest, or domestic violence? Me neither. I have never had a face or a confirmed identity to connect back the these alleged condemnations. Probably because it does not happen. Islam is not malleable, changeable, or reformable. Muslims cannot deviate from or adapt the dogma in any way, shape or form. One cannot simultaneously condemn or even disapprove of pedophilia and be a Muslim. That's why all Muslims are pedophiles. Because they are by definition. Get it?

Posted by: jdamn at September 17, 2008 7:48 AM

Not all muslims are pedophiles. Just the males who take their Koran literally.

Posted by: prole_feed at September 17, 2008 4:40 PM