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Arabs and Muslims, it has been said, cling to their past. And it’s true: they do cling to "their" past, as long as that past is the past that came after the pre-Islamic past that went before, which is merely one long Jahiliyya, or Time of Ignorance. There is no real interest in that past, though one will find the Iraqi peacock-proud that "civilization started here" -- but he won't know about that "civilization." He won't have been part of the discovery and recovery and study of that "civilization" -- Ur and Babylon and Assyria. For that was a Western thing, a thing that Western Infidels, from Henry Austen Layard to Leonard Woolley, undertook. Copts in Egypt are a very different matter, because they know, even if they do not always say aloud, that they are the true inheritors of Egypt's civilization. They are the ones linked continuously back to Egypt's pre-Islamic civilization, including the language that existed before the Arabs arrived and came, in fits and starts, to reduce the Coptic percentage of the population. Massed forcible conversions were not unknown, especially in certain centuries when a ruler would be particularly aggressive in "spreading" the "truth" of Islam.
Islam is, as has been written here before, "history-haunted." It has to be. It has to be in order to make up for the obviously miserable actual state of Muslims, their civilizational disarray, their primitiveness in everything that should matter and by which civilizations are judged -- and that excludes the trillions of dollars in unmerited oil revenues, and will continue to exclude them, no matter how many Western skyscrapers and companies and luxury goods and palaces at home those trillions buy.
Instead, they look back to a mythical past, of highly exaggerated glories: the wonders of Old Fustat (Cairo), the splendors of Baghdad. In this narrative, the non-Muslims who contributed so much to what there was are not recognized. It's an "Islamic science" and "Islamic civilization" -- when, in fact, if you take away many who were Christians or Jews or Zoroastrians, or if they were not, if they had converted to Islam, then they were only one or two generations removed from being Christians or Jews or Zoroastrians, the numbers of non-Muslims were still sufficient to ensure that the milieu would not be bleakly Islamic in the first few hundred years after the initial Islamic conquests.
But now, because of the behavior of the Muslims themselves, they have been emptying out their lands of non-Muslims. The Jews -- who, for example, constituted a third, an important enlivening third, of the population of Baghdad in the 1920s -- are all gone, driven out, or killed. The Christians hang on, here and there, but they were killed en masse in Iraq -- 100,000 Assyrians massacred -- after the British left in 1932, and the exodus of the past few years, in response to the Islamic terror, has led to a dimidiation of Christian numbers, with more decreases to come. In Egypt, the Copts hang on, and even exhibit, at times, the usual depressing phenomenon of islamochristian attitudes when, with Muslims in power and of course vigilantly observing, they cannot complain as they would like about their status, and they often must parrot the party-line about Israel -- while they are held captive to Muslim masters in Egypt. When they attain freedom in the West, they can and are more candid, less frightened, less wary.
And of course all those Levantines -- those Greeks and Italians, as well as those Armenians and Jews and other nationalities, once made Cairo and Alexandria more interesting places, where in high-ceilinged coffee rooms, with newspapers including locally-produced French and English language newspapers, one could sit and read and talk to one's friends and play cards or possibly tric-trac. And now I find myself practically writing some Farouk-era scene -- or back, back further, to the last days of Lord Cromer -- for the script of some movie, to be filmed by some Egyptian director, full of nostalgia (see "The Yacoubian Building") for those Italians, and Greeks, and Jews and Armenians, and all the others, including British subjects, who were booted out by Nasser, and all of their property seized (that had been slowly amassed over many generations).
No, Ungaretti and Cavafy were both born in Alexandria. But there won't be any more ungarettis or cavafys coming out of Egypt. There won't, similarly, be much coming out of Baghdad. No latter-day mutannabis from a Muslim-only land will be coming out of a culture that thinks of poetry now as merely an extension of propaganda -- see Adonis on the state of "Arabic literature" (he says angrily that "there is no Arabic literature" but only propagandistic trash). Nor will they be coming out of the Maghreb, now that the French (and others -- Spanish, Italians, Jews) left Algeria, and Morocco, and Tunisia. The wasteland that Islam creates is obvious to all. That is why Muslims themselves keep harking back to some earlier time, some time when things were so different, their books exaggeratedly tell them (the Self-Esteem problems of an entire civilization is a difficult task to deal with), and they were sitting on top of the world.
But one wants to say, as one looks over the past thousand years or so of Muslim history, and failure to produce -- see the West, see the East (the real East) -- to the Islamic world, something like:
What Have You Done For Us Lately?
And then one would like to go further, and see how many of the most advanced people who were born into Islam and live in that world, can begin to catch a hint of a glimmer of why it is that Islam itself prevents the enterprise of science. Its view is that the individual is unimportant and merely part of a collective, the Umma, or Community of Believers, a mentally submissive Believer who must be a "slave of Allah" and never dare to question the rules set down by Allah (and derived by Islamic scholars from the Qur'an, as glossed by the contents of the Sunnah). A believer must be punished for any display of free and skeptical inquiry, which prevents the enterprise of science (though not of technology, not for example of computer engineering or certain kinds of medical practice -- but not scientific research, unless undertaken in the West, by someone who though nominally a Muslim, has become only a "cultural Muslim"). And art, the varieties of artistic expression that are simply haram in Islam -- all sculpture, and depictions in paint, or drawings, of living creatures, and most music, so that one is left with calligraphy and architecture.
All of this, at some point, intelligent Muslims and Arabs are going to have to recognize, little by little, and some are even going to have to discuss it openly. And that will be made easier for them if we Infidels show that we are perfectly at ease in recognizing that the political, economic, social, moral, and intellectual failures of Muslim states and societies, polities and peoples, are connected to the texts, and tenets, and attitudes naturally arising from those tenets, of Islam itself.
If we show that we not only can laughingly reject the nonsense about how the "root causes" of Islamic disarray, and violence, and aggression, and failures, have something to do with us and everything to do with them, and what's more, if we can articulate it (though never as well as the defectors from Islam are able to do, for they know where every little secret lies, and we don't), that is the only way to bring about the kind of "change" that makes sense in the Arab and Muslim world.
Posted by Hugh at October 6, 2008 2:47 PM
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Muslims knew about the Chinese discoveries of gunpowder, paper and the printing press long before the West. But which discovery did Islam make use of? (while literally ignoring the others)
Hint: it has nothing to do with the spread of knowledge.
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at October 6, 2008 3:11 PM
Tanstaafl The muslim did make use of paper and the printing press to print copies of the Koran to place in each cities,towns and villages thoughtout the Islantic world one copy of the Koran at least. They use paper and the printing press to print texts on sciences and arts untril the priminate mongre destory Baghbad an all of it books like other 2 million books where destory which only prove you know nothing about history at all.
Posted by: DefenderofIslam at October 6, 2008 3:28 PM
defenderofislam how about giving real proof to back your claims you muslim troll
Posted by: ISLAMSNOTFORME at October 6, 2008 3:45 PM
"Tanstaafl The muslim did make use of paper and the printing press to print copies of the Koran to place in each cities, towns and villages thoughtout(sic) the Islantic (sic) world..." --Defender of Islam
What a pity. As the world would be so much better off (what an understatement!) without the evil Qur'an.
Poor Islamic world. Has to use everyone else's inventions, as they have no inventions of their own. I guess that paucity of Ideas comes from worshipping a sandstone idol that doesn't exist.
DefenderofIslam - Enjoying your computer that INFIDELS invented? LOL How 'bout your cell phone, camera, automobile, radio, TV, light bulb, electricity? ALL invented by the WEST, you parasitic Barbarian.
Posted by: darcy at October 6, 2008 5:03 PM
"The muslim did make use of paper and the printing press to print copies of the Koran to place in each cities,towns and villages thoughtout the Islantic world one copy of the Koran at least. They use paper and the printing press to print texts on sciences and arts untril the priminate mongre destory Baghbad an all of it books like other 2 million books where destory which only prove you know nothing about history at all.'
-- from a posting by "defenderofislam"
"defenderofislam" has it all wrong. Muslims were deeply suspicious of the printing press. The first printing-press in Asia was founded by Jews, in Safed, in the 16th century. And though a Qur'an was printed in Venice -- the celebrated "Paganini Koran" (the only copy extant was on display two years ago at the Metropolitan, in the exhibit devoted to Venice and the Ottomans)-- the Turks themselves did not allow any printing presses to be used by Muslims until 1727, when a Hungarian convert to Islam manged to convince someone in the Sultan's court to permit it.
The printing press came into Muslim use not well before (as "defenderofIslam" seems to think) but rather, nearly 500 years after, 1258, the year the Mongols under Hulegu seized, and destroyed, Baghdad and the Abbasid Caliphate. "They [Muslims] use paper and the printing press to print texts on sciences and arts untril the priminate mongre destory Baghbad an all of it books" is pure fantasy.
Posted by: Hugh at October 6, 2008 5:57 PM
"They [Muslims] use paper and the printing press to print texts on sciences and arts untril the priminate mongre destory Baghbad an all of it books" is pure fantasy.
Posted by: Hugh at October 6, 2008 5:57 PM
How 'bout "wishful thinking?"
Posted by: darcy at October 6, 2008 6:00 PM
From a previous posting about Islam and printing-presses:
"Orban's cannon for Mehmet Fatih is not the only example. All kinds of Infidels, or recent converts, put their skills at the disposal of the Ottomans, as they did before with the Arabs in what is called High Islamic Civilization, but which in reality had many achievements attributed either to Arabs or to Muslims (especially in the translation of Greek texts) that were the work of Christians or Jews or Zoroastrians, or in the case of algebra and the concept of zero, from Sanskrit mathematicians, and in the case of gunpowder and paper (see Dard Hunter) inventions of the Chinese.
The first printing press with Arabic type constructed by a Muslim was built in 1727, and the man who did it was, like Orban, born a Hungarian Christian. He was Ibrahim Muteferrika ("head of household"), and he finally obtained permission to do so from the Sultan or possibly the Grand Vizier. Before that, of course, Christians and Jews had built printing presses in the Ottoman lands, as early as 1493. And even in Venice, which became a center of Jewish printing (think of the Soncino press), while there were certainly Turkish merchants to be found, there was no printing of Arabic texts, as far as I know, save for the "Paganini" Qur'an (a copy of which was on display in the Metropolitan show, "Venice and the Ottoman Empire" a few years ago). The printing press was innovation, bida, not to be trusted.
The Muslim attitude toward that kind of technological innovation has changed. They willingly exploit Western (and Eastern Asian) technological advances, in order to promote the cause of Islam and the cause of Jihad: audiocassettes, videocassettes, satellite television, the Internet. Too bad.
Ibrahim Muteferrika's untended grave, with paths overgrown and tilting tombstones, can be seen -- in a far corner of the mevlevi (dervish) cemetery in Istanbul. The untendedness was part of its charm, the failure to keep it up fitting, and when I went to visit that grave, not too many years ago, I found it all the more moving as a result.
[Posted by: Hugh at August 20, 2008]
at October 6, 2008 6:16 PM
How can Moslems blame the West for the chaotic and backward nature of their societies? They had existed in an Islamic torpor for nearly a thousand years before the first European colonialist set foot in any Moslem country. In fact it was the primitive nature of Islamic societies that enabled such easy conquests by Europeans.QED.
Posted by: Mac at October 6, 2008 7:10 PM
Mac,
"Islamic torpor...
Redundant, but highly accurate.
Hugh,
Very well done. Very well done, indeed.
Posted by: Aiken Bryce at October 6, 2008 9:15 PM
The wasteland that Islam creates is obvious to all. That is why Muslims themselves keep harking back to some earlier time, some time when things were so different, their books exaggeratedly tell them (the Self-Esteem problems of an entire civilization is a difficult task to deal with), and they were sitting on top of the world.
No, instead they will all migrate into the Western world where life is still joyful and tolerable, where science and the arts still flourish, and then slowly but slowly demand that our world become just as drab and culturally impoverished as theirs, with their insidiously deceitful attempts to impose Sharia on our world. Then they would no longer look on with envy upon us because we too would be as miserable and poor as them.
What a sick bunch of retarded demagogic stinky primitives who want to lord over us. They are pathetically mentally deranged sick! So was their so-called 'prophet', so it is no wonder that in aping him they are the same. Were it not for booty of other civilizations they would have never left their Arabian desert, a desert both devoid of water and life, love and mind. Thus they worship death.
Posted by: Battle_of_Tours at October 6, 2008 10:35 PM
That was beautifully written. Thank you
Posted by: charlie at October 7, 2008 12:48 AM
The wasteland that Islam creates is obvious to all.
Yes it is. But I honestly believe that no Muslim will ever manage to recognize that the backasswardnees, the evil, the loserdom of their societies are the result of Islam. That always seems to be the way with apostates: they have some revelation about that at the same time that they realize how sick and wrong Islam is, but never before. Furthermore, Islam precludes legitimate education, so as long as Islam reigns in certain lands, so does miseducation and so does that denial. Now we're importing it so as to rewrite history in their schizophrenic way whereby 'Islamic civilization' is not only not any oxymoron, but a given for which we should all be grateful, as if the Byzantine Empire weren't ridiculously constrained by having to fend off jihad for 1000 years, as if 'Islamic civilization' didn't simply take the credit for inventions that were never theirs and which they never put to use like algebra and glass, as if 'Western imperialism' somehow rocketed them back to the Dark Ages in which they have always resided, as the only hints of modernization and civility in Islamic lands like Egypt weren't 100% due to Western influence, never mind that they would all have polio were it not for some Joooo named Jonas Salk. And of course, all their failures are our fault. How is never explained of course, particularly not the ways in which we actually did contribute to, not the backwardness of Islamic society, but its radicalization, i.e., by arming the Afghans, Saddam Hussein, 'Palestine,' and Egypt, and how they have only used modern technology to the detriment of their societies.
Posted by: jdamn at October 7, 2008 1:43 AM
More than a hundred years ago John Quincy Adams wrote as follows, about the founding of Islam:
"In the seventh century of the Christian era, a wandering Arab of the lineage of Hagar [i.e., Muhammad], the Egyptian,
combining the powers of transcendent genius, with the preternatural energy of a fanatic, and the fraudulent spirit of an impostor,
proclaimed himself as a messenger from Heaven,
and spread desolation and delusion over an extensive portion of the earth."
Note well, in the final clause of this paragraph, the phrase "desolation and delusion".
Could one find, anywhere, a briefer, or clearer summing up of the effects of jihad and sharia?
at October 7, 2008 3:44 AM
Dumbledoresarmy,
How about this:
"Islam, this absurd theology of an immoral Bedouin, is a rotting corpse which poisons our lives."
Mustafa Kemal Ataturk
Posted by: nick1777 at October 7, 2008 6:38 AM
Or how about this:
"Ever since the religion of Islam appeared in the world, the espousers of it...have been as wolves and tigers to all other nations, rending and tearing all that fell into their merciless paws, and grinding them with their iron teeth; that numberless cities are raised from the foundation, and only their name remaining; that many countries, which were once as the garden of God, are now a desolate wilderness; and that so many once numerous and powerful nations are vanished from the earth! Such was, and is at this day, the rage, the fury, the revenge, of these destroyers of human kind." John Wesley
at October 7, 2008 8:00 AM
To put alleged Islamic achiements into perspective consider the following historical facts.
Islamic “golden ages” followed the re-establishment of peace and security under the auspices of the new regime. The time lag between the conquest and the peak of the golden age varied from a few decades through several centuries in different Muslim lands. However, these golden ages were a result of the parasitic exploitation of the intellectual and economic resources left over from the preceding civilization. When these were exhausted intellectual achievement went into a rapid decline.
The Muslim efflorescence, like the financial underpinning for the Muslim military campaigns, depended on the wealth expropriated from, and on the continuing economic exploitation of, conquered non-Muslim populations. One thing about the historical record is noteworthy; the various golden ages of Islamic civilization always occur early in the first few centuries in which a new territory is occupied. Wherever the various Muslim vanguards invaded, the vast majority of the population was non-Muslim. It would take many years for this population to be converted and assimilated. These non-Muslims or recent converts are the ones who carried on the work which many historians are prone to attribute to "Islamic" civilization. Thus, a distinction must be drawn between the so-called high Islamic civilization and the religion of Islam. Eventually as the process of Islamization proceeds the non-Islamic component of the population becomes a small minority and stagnation sets in. This process is evident in the first centuries of the Arab conquests where the process of Arabization and conversion to Islam took a few centuries to complete; this was the "Arab" golden age, a product of unconverted or recently converted Christians, Jews and Zoroastrians. In Spain the golden age lasted longer, perhaps because the process of Islamization was never as complete in Moorish Spain as in the Arab East.
Following the “golden prime” of the early Abbasids, Islamic scholarship fell into a sharp decline. With the steady increase in converts and the decrease in the number of non-Muslims, the primary source of accomplished scholars dried up. With the passage of time, the descendants of earlier converts became far removed from the family and national traditions that promoted and sustained high scholarly achievement. The inner logic of the Islamic meme unfolded creating a climate of anti-intellectualism and a rigid pseudo scholarship; both of which were upheld by an increasingly powerful clerical class. Nevertheless, there were occasional intellectual revivals encouraged by some of the more enlightened rulers of the later local Arab dynasties. Non-Muslims, converts and heretics, once again, played a disproportionate role in these mini-renaissances.
The victory of the holy warriors of Islam and the economic recovery of the conquered territory was followed by a resumption of the civilization of the native population under Muslim auspices. In addition, Muslim rulers were able to capitalize on the different specializations of the conquered groups and on a division of labor based largely on ethnicity. Furthermore, the inclusion of the new territory within the trading network of a much larger Muslim empire created a brief period of intellectual and technological advancement due to the cross fertilization of different cultures.
Another factor in Muslim intellectual degeneration was, undoubtedly, the end of imperial expansion. Once the Arab empire reached its maximum extent the temporary bubble in wealth caused by economic expansion, trade, and the flow of technology and expertise, in the early Islamic oecumene ceased. Furthermore, considering the extent of the Muslim domains, the wealth expropriated by the Muslim elites, and the number of technologies and variety of ideas available to them, it is remarkable how little in terms of human advancement and accomplishment was achieved by Muslims even at the height of their golden age. Muslim accomplishments were paltry when compared to what was achieved in the small and fragmented cities of Greece, in the divided states of the Indian subcontinent or in parochial and isolated China. Still another factor contributing to Islamic intellectual decline was the tendency toward increasing despotism and the lack of independent centers of power such as church, monarchy, landed aristocracy and urban bourgeoisie typical of many parts of Europe.
at October 7, 2008 10:36 AM
Yeah, and they burned all the universities in Greece, India (Hindustan), and Egypt, then they took the credit for anything that the dhimmis could recover from memory, along with a bunch of work translated from Greek, Sanskit, and Latin in Egypt.
Sujit Das writes of Islamic destruction and decadence:
Destruction of Alexandria's famous library is one example where Muslims had shown their disgust for education and knowledge. This royal library was one of the greatest of all the libraries during those days and comprised perhaps as many as six hundred thousand manuscripts, as most of the historians estimate - the whole corpus of knowledge accumulated by ancient scientists, philosophers, historians and poets including unique works of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates, Thucydides, Sophocles, Euripides, Hippocrates and Euclid - just a few of the geniuses to mention amongst several others. The library was open to any scholar from anywhere in the world. During the early months of A. D. 642, Amrou, the general leading the armies of Umar surrounded Alexandria, the capital of Egypt. On the orders of Caliph Umar, the entire collection of books stored at the library was removed and used as fuel to heat water for the city's four thousand public baths. The loss of the library was a particularly grievous blow because the works of so many Roman scholars, literary geniuses, and historians were destroyed. Umar justified his heinous action by saying, "If these writing of the Greeks agree with the Koran, they are useless and need not be preserved. If they disagree, they are pernicious and ought to be destroyed" (Trifkovic, 2002, p. 196). Historians recorded that it took about six months to burn down all the manuscripts.
Many present day Muslims delight in debunking this library burning incident as an anti-Islamic slander. How many of these Muslims know that Umar’s twelfth century successors (Trifkovic, 2002, p. 196) often took great pride to refer this incident?
There was a similar incident in India as well. One of the oldest Universities of the world was Nalanda Mahavidyalaya (University / learning centre). It is not an exaggeration at all that, during those days, Nalanda was the equivalent of today’s Harvard, Yale, Oxford, Cambridge, Berkeley and Stanford, all rolled into one. At its peak, Nalanda used to house over ten thousand students and two thousand teachers. Students from as far as Arabia, China, Korea, Japan, Myanmar, Indonesia, Persia, Turkey and Sri Lanka used to enroll at Nalanda (Oak, 1996, p. 101). All Buddhist subjects and also all ‘Darshanas’ (Hindu systems of Philosophy), phoentics, grammar, nyaya/ rhetoric, languages, medicine, astronomy, chemistry and fine arts apart from various other subjects were covered in Nalanda. But it’s all gone now by the hands of Islamic invaders in A.D 1193 (97?). Bhaktiyar Khilji, the Turkish Muslim invader, took care to inquire whether there was a Qu’ran in the library before he burnt it and sacked the university complex (did his ideological descendents worried about their Qu’ran before flying planes into WTC ?). The brutal act killing all students and teachers engaged in academic studies is claimed to bring great glory to Islam. Islam destroyed in months, what Hindus and Buddhists built for several centuries. The destruction of the Bamiyan Buddhas is just a small minor event in the history in comparison to Nalanda massacre.
As usual, the present day Muslims often deny the destruction of Nalanda in Muslim hands, but how many of them know that Persian historian Minhaz had recorded the Nalanda burning incident in his book, Tabaquat-i-Nasiri, by gathering information from several eye-witnesses. Minhaz recorded (cited Oak, 1996, p. 102),
“Most of the inhabitants of the place were ‘Brahmanas’ (Hindu priests) with shaven heads. They were put to death. Large numbers of books were found there, and when the Mahammadans saw them, they called for some person to explain the contents. But all of the men were killed. It was discovered that the whole fort and city was a place for study, in the Hindi language the word Bihar (i.e. Vihara) means a college.”
In the destruction of Nalanda, the same historian, Minhaz (cited Dutt, 1988) recorded that several thousands of monks were burned alive and yet more thousands beheaded, and the burning of the library continued for several months. Many were forcibly converted to Islam. For Buddhism, in India, this incident marked the beginning of end (Kashyap, 1996). Several historians (cited Dutta et al., 1996. p. 29-30) concluded that Muslim rule was solely responsible for the present poverty of India and for destroying a flourishing a Hindu economy. Medieval India, until the Islamic invasion was a very rich culture, one of the six or seven most advanced civilizations of all times (Trifkovic, 2002, p. 110).
Muslims often take childlike pride on the golden age of Islam, which was actually a myth. As Spencer (2005, p. 91) reported, there is no historical proof to support the idea that Islam inspired a culture which outstripped others. Tisdall (1984, p. 201) wrote, “No great civilization, no scientist of note, no renowned school of philosophy, has ever arisen on purely Mohammedan ground”. He believed that even several Muslim scholars had accepted this fact. Islam never encouraged scientific knowledge. The only knowledge it accepts is Qur’anic knowledge. Diderot stated (cited Gunny, 1996, p. 168) that during Caliph Al-Mamun, people were heard shouting for his death because he had fostered science at the expense of the `holy ignorance' of the faithful believers. Akbar, the Mughal emperor of India was an illiterate and surprisingly, it was not a shame for him but a pride. This stupid Muslim emperor, in his own eyes, had one qualification to be a prophet. “The prophets were all illiterates”, he used to point out frequently and sincerely believed that, in order to honor their prophet, it is the essential duty for every faithful Muslim to keep one of their sons illiterate. (Eraly, 1997, p. 909). With so much glorification of illiteracy and dislike for science, there is little doubt that, Islam’s golden age is far from reality. It is infidel’s education, science, technology and endurance, based on which the Human civilization had spread everywhere including Islamic world itself; on which the Muslim community has no contribution. Trifkovic (2002, p. 196) wrote:
“Whatever flourished, it was not by reason of Islam, it was in spite of Islam.”
at October 7, 2008 11:46 AM
Didn't Obama say something about clinging bitterly to korans and guns?
Oh, no. That was Christians.
Posted by: joeblough at October 7, 2008 2:39 PM
What is the problem actually ?
Muslims will conquer and kill "progressive" states, and will be forced to leave standing all those that do not accept their presence, or are isolated somehow. Like Russia or China, who will not easily get really bothered by any muslim subgroups within them.
I mean if you're an atheist, this is just evolution. The fittest survive.
Funny how atheists seem to be the most unfit, or at least the next in line for extermination. But hey that's life, that's the god they worship. A god that wants to kill them, although apparently they'd prefer getting cooked or run over by natural disasters to being killed by the muslims. One day they'll know.
Then the fitter states, maybe China, maybe something like Russia, will rise and rediscover science once again. Maybe some African country we haven't heard about. Maybe ...
The muslims worship death as well. They need no help from anyone to kill themselves. We just need to isolate ourselves from them, and it will be all over for the muslims. If we don't actually do this, the world will do it for us. With "economic migration" in some lands the muslim presence will dry up. Some regions are too far away to have gotten any muslim presence. Some actually are willing to fight. When islam stops expanding, it immediately collapses.
The fittest survive. That's the way the world should work, apparently.
And if you're a Christian, you should fight, plain and simple. God is with you (I'm an atheist and I still think that's an accurate assesment). But you'll be villified for it, obviously.
Posted by: tomcpp at October 8, 2008 8:16 AM
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