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October 9, 2008

Islamic scholars denounce dancing, say it violates sharia

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Violating the law

Business as usual in Dar al-Islam. "Islamic scholars say dance violates sharia," by Hassan al-Ashraffor Al-Arabiya, October 8:

Salsa festival in Morocco stirs controversy.

Marrakesh will host its first international salsa festival amid controversy as officials and religious leaders expressed dismay over the city’s hosting of a festival devoted to the sexy Latin dance.

The festival, which runs Oct. 8-12, features 100 dancers from Cuba, Mexico, Los Angeles, New York, Oslo, Milan, including Francisco Vasquez and Alex da Silva, choreographers for Shakira and Jennifer Lopez. The contestants will also give salsa classes to students of Moroccan universities.

But some locals voiced objections that the dance is un-Islamic and violates local social norms.

One Islamic scholar said the salsa festival violates sharia Islamic law. Mohamed Al-Taweel, pprofessor of jurisprudence at the University of al-Karaouine said that the festival is sinful for a number if reasons, no the least of which is the mingling between men and women.

Moroccan sheikh Abdul-Bari al-Zamzami, a member of the Moroccan Scholars Association, told AlArabiya.net that the festival promotes vice among the youth, who are easily deceived by such Western activities.

Other officials disagreed, however, noting that the festival promotes intercultural understanding and artistic expression.

"I do not think that the salsa festival has a negative impact on Morocco,” Nabil Benabdallah, a former minister of communication, told AlArabiya.net.

But Islamic preacher Mohamed al-Amrawi argued that activities which violate decency and promote vice among youth are prohibited by law.

"Moroccan youth should be trained in different scientific and creative fields,” he told AlArabiya.net

Besides promoting vice, Taweel said he also thinks the festival is an unnecessary waste of money, thrown away just to give the West the impression that Morocco is a liberal, accommodating country.

(Translated from Arabic by Sonia Farid)

Posted by Raymond at October 9, 2008 8:03 PM
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No wonder violence in Islamic countries is paramount. Looking at the UMMAH death, misery, chaos and human slavery is the paragon of life.

Posted by: savsiv [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 9, 2008 10:22 PM

no joy in islam

Posted by: kyros [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 9, 2008 10:23 PM

In the lyrics of Leo Sayer:

"You make me feel like dancing, I want to dance the night away."

Imagine going to a Sharia disco. No music, no dancing, no women. Just silence.

That'd be fun.

Posted by: S Perry [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 9, 2008 10:57 PM

"Taweel said he also thinks the festival is an unnecessary waste of money, thrown away just to give the West the impression that Morocco is a liberal, accommodating country."
-- from the article above

Taweel's suspicion about the reason for the Salsa Festival is very likely true. That is, it is true that a major part of the reason is the desire of the Moroccan government to have Westerners believe that "Morocco is a liberal, accommodating country."

Posted by: Hugh [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 9, 2008 11:12 PM

No problem...easy fix...Just have all the dancer were a black niqab...

I dreamed I went dancing in my black niqab...

Posted by: duh_swami [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 9, 2008 11:42 PM

"Moroccan youth should be trained in different scientific and creative fields,” he told AlArabiya.net

__________

Creative fields?

Let's see here...

No performing arts that I know of in Islam.

Dancing is forbidden.

Music is forbidden.

The portrayal of the human body in art is forbidden.

Perhaps theater?

Hmm, that would most likely run afoul of the 'intermingling of the sexes.'

So, pray-tell, what 'creative fields'?

Maybe in only inventing new ways to bring misery to the human race.

Islam as a contributor to the 'creative fields' of humanity is a joke.

The Byzatine Ruler quoted by the Pope was correct in his assesment of Islam. Islam brings only death and destruction and misery to people.

'Creative Fields?'

Show me one Islamic Leonardo? Show me one Islamic Bach, or one Islamic Shakespeare?

That's what I thought.. zilch! Zero. Nothing.

Posted by: Monkeywho [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 10, 2008 1:37 AM

Dance, then, wherever you may be,
I am the Lord of the Dance said he,
And I'll lead you all, wherever you may be,
And I'll lead you all in the dance said he.

Posted by: Nokingofmine [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 10, 2008 3:43 AM

King David danced before the Lord.

Posted by: Crusader [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 10, 2008 8:59 AM

It would be a shame if the annual "YMCA Dance" competition at the Iranian Imam's "How to stone an adulterer" convention was no longer held.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GizjAw5IYhk

Imam Yusuf Al-Qawaddiwaddi dressed as the butch biker with the big moustache was always my favourite.

Posted by: Celsius [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 10, 2008 10:58 AM

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What would the Mullahs say about Matt I wonder. Unlike standard Multiculturalism dogma which says we should celebrate our cultural differences, Matt and his dancing videos illustrate what instead we should celebrate at least just as much if not more, our similarities, what we as humans of all cultures share in common.

Tears of joy! Incredible video. Dance everybody, dance! Matt is cool, it’s good to see that he’s still out there cruising around. Leave him a comment about his evil dancing. LOL! I’m sure he’ll appreciate it. Great job Matt! Stay safe out there! Keep dancing!
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absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
outlaw ALL dancing

moving bodies to music
must be seen as evil

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absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
rock and roll is evil

it's the devil's best music
and dancing to it is sin

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absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
only Earthlings may dance

it is simply forbidden
elsewhere in the Universe

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Famous 'Where is Matt' Dancing Videos!
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Matt Was in New York City!
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Philosophy of Liberty Cartoon
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USpace

:)
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Posted by: USpace [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 10, 2008 11:40 AM

In the black and creepy worldview of the sharia nuts, human life is illegal -- barely to be tolerated.

Abject doglike obedience is the only way to pass by the condemnation of human-hating murder-mongering priesthood -- with their bizarre costumes, incoherent ideas, incomprehensible texts and dark militaristic mythology.

Sharia is against humanity.

Only the priesthood and their designated thugs win. And all they win is power to torment and oppress the rest of us.

LAN ASTALEM!

I will not submit (Arabic)

Posted by: joeblough [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 10, 2008 4:25 PM

Towards the end of a paperback romance set in Scotland, and entitled 'September', by the unfortunately named Rosamund Pilcher, the following passage describes, vividly and quite beautifully, a Scottish dance:

"A waiter bustled by with a trayful of brimming champagne glasses.

"As he passed, Noel adroitly lifted one off the tray, and then made his way through the library towards the marquee.

"The beat of the music there had reached a crescendo, for the band was on its second run through the dance, and the pace seemed to quicken with every moment that passed.

"At the top of the steps, he paused, to search for Alexa, but then...found himself diverted, captivated, by the sight before him.

"He had no great love of dancing, let alone Scottish country dancing, but the atmosphere had become electric, with a charge that could not be ignored...

"whirling circles of colour and movement...this dancing had about it an aggressive symmetry that reminded him of the precision of some oft-rehearsed military tattoo.

"The false floor of the marquee audibly groaned as one hundred pairs of feet banged down on it in perfect rhythm, and the centre of each ring was a vortex, sucking a dancer from the side of the set, and then throwing him out a second later with the full impact of centrifugal force.

"Bare-armed girls wryly displayed bruises inflicted by the silver cuff-buttons of a partner's kilt-jacket, but to all intents and purposes they were mesmerised by the intricacies of the reel, concentrating and waiting for their next turn to be pulled into the spinning inferno.

"He saw Alexa at last, in her flower-splashed dress, with her cheeks rosy and her hair flying...

"It's a hell of a dance, isn't it?" Startled, Noel looked around and saw the man who stood beside him, come, presumably, to enjoy the spectacle, as he was.

'He said, "It certainly is. What is it that they're doing?"

'The Reel of the Fifty-First Highland Division'.
'Never heard of it.'
'It was devised in a German prison camp during the war'.
'It looks extremely complicated'.

'Well, why not? They had five and a half years to make the bloody thing up." END QUOTE

Now...THAT... the Highland reels, the ballet, flamenca and salsa, the tango and the rumba, the hora and the hula, disco and line dancing and square dancing and barn dancing, the Can Can, the Circassian Circle and the Pride of Erin, the Irish Jig, the polka and the mazurka, the waltzes by Strauss and 'Billy Eliot'...all, all, all, is what the jihad- and sharia-minded Muslims want to forbid to all of humanity, forever.

All that would be left would be the Whirling Dervishes and, existing in despite of Islam and not because of it, Belly Dancing (though the sheikhs and imams in Egypt were, last I heard, according to Geraldine Brooks' Nine Parts of Desire', trying to stamp out Belly Dancing altogether, too).

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 10, 2008 6:15 PM

"I don't wanna hang up my rock n roll shoes!"

Posted by: tanstaafl [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 10, 2008 9:25 PM

Now, to further remind ourselves how central dance is to kafir culture:

First, from the Torah, the book of Exodus, chapter 15, verses 20 - 21:
"And Miriam the prophetess, the sister of Aaron, took a timbrel in her hand;

"and all the women went out after her with timbrels and with dances.
"And Miriam answered them, 'Sing ye to the Lord, for he hath triumphed gloriously; the horse and his rider hath he hurled into the sea'".

Fastforward a few thousand years, to the Jews defending Jerusalem in 1948, as described by Carlson in 'From Cairo to Damascus' (1951):

"The next night I saw the Portzim at a Menorah Society social.

"Here I saw them play as hard as they had fought.

"They danced jigs and horas for hours.

"Among the girls there were no wallflowers. They were self-possessed and mature at fifteen.

"This was the new Israeli generation – marked by a radical conception of woman’s role in society.

"No longer the retiring, submissive woman of the Middle East –

"nor the enslaved, bullied, chattel Arab woman –

"but an equal partner of the man, whether at the front, at home, or at play.

" In this sorely besieged city, amid the rain of death and bombs, it was thrilling to see the linking of the hand of man with that of woman.

"Here was a partnership that energized both, and gave to each the fighting faith and strength to level mountains and work miracles on their native soil.”

Now, rewind about 500 years, from Jerusalem 1948 to 14th century Catholic Italy, and Dante's 'Paradiso', Cantos 10-14.

The 'carol' originally meant a circle dance which was both danced and sung. In Paradiso, Canto 10 - Canto 14, the great Doctors (Teachers) of the church appear as singing, circling lights.

As Dorothy L Sayers remarks in her note to Canto 10, lines 79-81: "the revolving circle of lights has ceased singing. Dante compares them to a ring of women dancers who, having reached the end of a ripresa, continue dancing in silence while their leader sings a stanza, ready to begin singing again when they reach the next ripresa".

"So carolling, that ardent aureole/ of suns swung round us thrice their burning train/ as neighbouring stars swing round the steady pole;/ then seemed like ladies, from the dancing chain/ not loosed, but silent at the measure's close/ listening alert to catch the next new strain".

Or this, from Canto 12: "As the last word fell from the blessed fire/ straightway the heavenly millstone set in train/ its former motion and melodious gyre/ nor had it come full circle once again/ before another ringed it all the way/ measure with measure matching, strain with strain...".

Or from Canto 14: "As carol-dancers in their merry play/ break into music, and so wind and wheel/ with livelier gestures, through access of joy/ so, at that prompt and wonderful appeal/ new pleasure did the circling hallows show/ in wondrous song exprest and swifter reel."

And now, just to complete the blowing of the mind of that sour killjoy, "Mohamed Al-Taweel, pprofessor of jurisprudence at the University of al-Karaouine", let's enjoy something beautiful from Hawaii:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puelcyhsXQ0

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 10, 2008 10:39 PM

A personal story: my parents met, and fell in love, at a district dance in a tiny country town.

Besides being a schoolteacher, Mum was an excellent dancer who had won prizes in ballroom dancing competitions.

Dad was a farmer. He had two left feet, so to speak; but luckily for him, the dance that was about to start, when he asked the pretty blonde blue-eyed schoolteacher (new to the district) to dance with him, was nice and easy - the 'Gypsy Tap'.

My mother danced till late in the evening and then went home (driving herself in her own little car). Next morning she told her mother, over the breakfast table: "I think I've met the man I'm going to marry".

And they married within the year, and lived as faithful (and fruitful - eight children!) husband and wife for twenty-seven years, until death divided them.

So take *that*, you evil-minded rabble-rouser Mohamed al-Taweel, you who cannot even begin to comprehend that "the mingling between men and women" in public does not and need not always and everywhere involve or produce 'sin'.

Note well, all kafir lawmakers. Ban sharia. Defeat the jihad!

Do it for the sake of five billion or so humans on the planet who want to be able to go on singing and dancing in mixed company.


Posted by: dumbledoresarmy [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 10, 2008 11:21 PM

Thank you for those last two posts, dumbledoresarmy. They were beautiful.

It does seem kind of pointless to me to try to reconcile salsa dancing with Sharia. No heels, since those would make noise (you CANNOT salsa without heels - THAT is blasphemy), and it seems awfully dangerous to dance in a garbage bag that hides one's ankles and can be easily tripped over. Oh, and the gender apartheid thing, plus the fact that salsa dancing empowers women. It's all about the woman. She is the picture and the man is the frame in salsa dancing. Nothing can be about women in Muslim society.

Posted by: jdamn [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 11, 2008 7:42 AM

Ah those wonderfully moderate Morrocan "social norms"...

Posted by: HallalBacon [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 11, 2008 11:10 AM

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=c_e4El_1dIU

Posted by: Hugh [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 11, 2008 8:18 PM

Hugh - the mullah says that is haram! You're shocking the ulemma! What would the iman say?

Posted by: tanstaafl [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 11, 2008 9:22 PM

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