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October 25, 2008

Switzerland: Muslim children can't be exempt from compulsory swimming lessons

Asking everyone in the country to abide by the same laws. How racist! How Islamophobic!

"Federal Court overturns swimming ruling," from Swissinfo, October 24 (thanks to Gabrielle Goldwater):

Children cannot be exempted from compulsory swimming lessons at school even for religious reasons, the Federal Court has ruled.

In making the ruling, announced on Friday, the court overturned its own decision of 1993.

The case was brought by the father of two primary schoolchildren in the northern canton of Schaffhausen, who wanted permission for his sons to opt out of swimming classes. His request had been turned down at every level before failing at the federal court too.

In the 1993 case the court had ruled that it was permissible for a schoolgirl to be exempted from mixed swimming lessons.

It justified its change of position by saying that society had changed in the last 15 years. Exempting children from compulsory lessons would undermine efforts at integration.

The president of the relevant court said the judgement was not aimed against the Muslim community or against freedom of religion. It was designed to help schools fulfil their task of integration....

Posted by Robert at October 25, 2008 9:10 AM
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No it should be aimed at the Islamic community because sharia goes against everything that the west and democratic countries believe. Sharia wants to segregate between Muslims and non Muslims and classify the latter as second class citizens.

Posted by: savsiv [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 25, 2008 10:04 AM

"It was designed to help schools fulfil their task of integration...."

Now, now, who said they wanted to be integrated ? As good dhimmis, they should instead be implementing classes on how to blindly memorize Quranic verses, without understanding a single word.

Posted by: nighthawk [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 25, 2008 10:34 AM

There are no lakes in the desert............

Posted by: tanstaafl [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 25, 2008 10:41 AM

Would they rather be able to swim, or would they prefer to drown?

Posted by: Abscedere [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 25, 2008 12:01 PM

Let the protests begin!

Posted by: "Islamophobia"=BS [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 25, 2008 12:43 PM

In this case, I'm with the parents. The state are not the parents of our children. If Muslims don't want their kids to have mixed swimming, that is their choice.

If we allow the state to force swimming lessons, we eventually allow compulsory homosexuality indoctrination and all sorts of other stuff that parents don't want.

Posted by: James Martel [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 25, 2008 12:53 PM

Sorry, but I fail to see the connection between teaching kids about homosexuality (a moral and religious issue for many people) and teaching kids swimming, whether in a mixed class or not.

Swimming is morally neutral (though also potentially lifesaving, in which case one could argue it is *moral* to teach it to all children and *immoral* to allow them to opt out of learning a skill that could one day save their lives or another's).

As for the parents' complaint that it is a "mixed" swimming class, there is absolutely no way their sons will be able to avoid mixing with women in all sorts of situations in Switzerland, not just in a swimming pool. (Are they going to remain indoors all summer while many Swiss women will no doubt be wearing shorts, miniskirts, sleeveless and/or low-cut tops, etc?) If they object morally to the sexes mixing, even in a school swimming class (what "immoral" behavior is going to occur with the teachers supervising?), they need to leave Switzerland and move to Saudi Arabia.

Posted by: kaffirchick [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 25, 2008 1:35 PM

Bravo Switzerland!

It's also a great way to make the jihaddis with kids go back home to the slave-pits of the mohammedan block.

They're powerfully allergic to normal life. And they can't tolerate a situation where they're not calling the shots -- along mohammedan rules of course.

Posted by: joeblough [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 25, 2008 2:54 PM

I'm not sure about Switzerland but in the US parents who object to the public school curriculum have the option to either home school their children or send their children to private schools. Muslim could start private schools and teach their children at their own expense. What I object to is Muslims seeking special privileges in the larger society often at the tax payers expense.

Posted by: Roxane [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 25, 2008 4:32 PM

In a thousand ways, the countries of Western Europe, merely by enforcing such laws, and by making new ones, including those requiring swearing allegiances of loyalty to the (Infidel) nation-state, and requiring a year of National Service for that nation-state (the Infidels need training, and the Muslims will resist doing anything for the non-Muslim state), and by ending the transfer of moneys from Saudi Arabia and other Arab oil states to pay for mosques and madrasas, can make their countries -- under the sweetly-expressed guise of "integration" -- Islam-hostile instead of Islam-friendly, Islam-welcoming, Islam-gushing, as to date they have all so heedlessly and calamitously been.

And they must do this, because they owe a duty not only to the future, that is to their own descendants, their own physical posterity. They also owe a debt to the Intelligent Past, to what was created in Europe, in literature, art, music philosophy, political thought, music, in science too -- that could not have for one minute bee created in a society where Islam dominated, and Muslims ruled. The word "kuffar" essentially means "the Ungrateful One." The Muslims use that word because they think that those who do not accept the Word of Allah, as transmitted to Muhammad in seventh-century Arabia, are showing ingratitude.

But in this particular reason for labelling the world's Non-Muslims as "kuffar" Muslims are wrong. It is not ungrateful, but sensible, to reject a Total Belief-System, one that purports to regulate every area of life, and that offers a complete explanation of the universe, a collectivist faith that divides the world uncompromisingly between Muslim and Non-Muslim, Believer and Infidel, and inculcates the notion that between the two a state of permanent war (though not always open warfare, if the Infidels prove too strong) must exist, and Muslims have a sacred duty to engage in Jihad, through whatever means are available and prove, at any point, most effective, that is the "struggle" to remove all obstacles to the spread, and then the dominance, of Islam.

What, however, does entitle us to label many in the Western world Kuffar" or Ingrates is that they do not recognize, often because they no longer know about, the achievements of Western civilization. If the art, the literature, the music, the philosophy, the political theories, the science, the law, the development of individual rights, are unknown or hardly known to you, then it is unlikely that you will appreciate as keenly what came before, and who did what, and how long it took, and what were the obstacles. You will take, as a given, and a given that may not interest you very much, as you occupy yourself with the trivia, the flotsam and jetsam of everyday life in the spoiled West, with its hectic vacancy, and its fashionable cults, of Diversity, of Equality (not equality before the law, which is good, but a pretend-equality of merit and ability, which is false and leads to results harmful for the transmission, and continuation, of what now many -- not ideally -- call "culture").

These are the Kuffar, these are the Ungrateful Ones. Ungrateful to those whom Keats called the Noble Living and the Noble Dead, and not even able to discern the Noble from the Ignoble who, all around us, are the ones running things, and running them right into the ground.

And nothing shows their Ingratitude more than their unwillingness, or wilful inability, to learn about Islam, to learn about the threat that Islam, and its adherents, pose to what the Western world inherited, and which its present occupants have done so little to deserve, because they give every sign of being so unwilling to defend, or even learn about, that civilizational legacy.

Posted by: Hugh [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 25, 2008 5:19 PM

Thank you, Hugh. As our RSL motto says: "Lest we forget"

Posted by: jewcat [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 25, 2008 9:36 PM

Huge Swizzland is than racist country. If I was president I would break all tie with Swizzland includeing leaveing the red cross orginate declare the red cross will be than legimate target in case of war. All swizz bussien will be size along with they assets. All swizz will be deport back to swizzland all america will be total ban all travel to swizzland for any reason and baning all america from any contact with swizz people or swizzland.

Posted by: DefenderofIslam [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 26, 2008 3:32 AM

@Sivsav..

Just my thought..

If everything in islam goes against our culture and way of creating a well working society, that we've built up in the West, local, national and continental, it is not we who have the problem, they (the muslims) do.

Here in Denmark we have imams connected to schools with large amounts of muslim pupils. They are hired to advice the school in how to handle the muslim kids.
Muslim kids are also here in many schools exempted from specific lessons "in respect of their religion".
It is dhimmitude of the worst kind when talking about muslim kids in school.
Unfortunately our government canīt do much about it, because it is up to each local community how they handle things in their schools.

Our danish politicians could learn a thing or two by Switzerland..

Posted by: Pinstripe [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 26, 2008 4:14 AM

Defenderofislam

Instead of day-dreaming of what you would do as an US president, petition one of the 50 odd members of the OIC to do what you just suggested. Let Malaysia, or Pakistan, or Saudi Arabia, or Libya 'break all tie with Swizzland includeing leaveing the red cross orginate declare the red cross will be than legimate target in case of war, size all swizz bussien along with they assets. deport all swizz back to swizzland, ban all travel to swizzland for any reason and baning all ______ from any contact with swizz people or swizzland.'

After all, America has nothing to lose by 'swizzland' being Islamophobic. Let one of your OIC members take offence.

Posted by: Infidel Pride [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 26, 2008 5:20 AM

First to Defenderofislam
Your post isn't even qualifying any answer, but go ahead YOU little Moonbat ... cancel yourself out.... Switzerland or what you silly enough call - Swizzland - can live without YOU ....You little cartoon image personality.

You would not make it here to start with; on the other hand; to ever become a president of anything more than your own LOU faculty is most unlikely anyhow.
Now to the rest of those who have some intelligence level above the brain power of the Defenderofislam

I post this info:


The Swiss criminal statistics are marked by a constant rise of foreign and youthful violence.... (Most of them from the Balkan states .... Such as Kosovo/Albanians, and other Muslim countries - North Africa etc...

Posted by: Gabrielle [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 26, 2008 8:33 AM


A PART OF MY FIST POST IS MISSING ?????? !!!!

First to Defenderofislam
Your post isn't even qualifying any answer, but go ahead YOU little Moonbat ... cancel yourself out.... Switzerland or what you silly enough call - Swizzland - can live without YOU ....You little cartoon image personality.

You would not make it here to start with; on the other hand; to ever become a president of anything more than your own LOU faculty is most unlikely anyhow.
Now to the rest of those who have some intelligence level above the brain power of the Defenderofislam

I post this info:


The Swiss criminal statistics are marked by a constant rise of foreign and youthful violence.... (Most of them from the Balkan states .... Such as Kosovo/Albanians, and other Muslim countries - North Africa etc...

[ We have some official 350'000 - but most likely some 150'000 plus - Muslims residing inside Switzerland - but not saying they all are criminal - they are not - but need to integrate OR LEAVE]

Today, a stay in prison is the most advantageous manner to learn the languages from certain areas of the world.
Because the Swiss ones (naturalized included/understood) they constitute a small minority - for example, only 36% for burglaries, 20% for the drug trafficking and 18% for the brawls.

This is to say that the Swiss population is confronted every day with the serious consequences of foreign criminality.

This situation is the result of the irresponsible security policy followed by the coalition of center-left.

To act with all hardness necessary against the criminals to obtain a dissuasive effect, the responsible authorities are showing too often appeasement with regard to the criminals... . many times due to religious don't touch subjects attitude.

To put an end to this intolerable situation, The UDC/SVP (the people's party largest party in Switzerland) deposited on February 15, 2008 its popular initiative "for the referendum of Criminals to be deported".

This project carried out a record result since more than 232.000 citizens supported same by their signature. Many more than needed by the Referendum law.

A clear sign that the population has enough of this situation of it.

The laws and the rules of our country are valid for all: this principle must find all its value.

The Initiative from the UDC for the referendum of criminals to be deported, is an important step in the increasing foreign fight against criminality and it clarifies the situation.

Those who violate the law or which misuse Swiss social works to offer a comfortable life, must leave the country.

This popular initiative restores safety and dissuades the potential delinquents.

The enormous support that the population brought to this initiative confirms clearly that Swiss don't accept any more the current situation.

It thus acts; to accelerate the examination of this initiative to quickly submit it to the people.....which is LAW; This is news from
15 October 2008----
So we expect this hopefully to be posted to the Sovereign (us the people) as Referendum by Springtime 2009

Posted by: Gabrielle [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 26, 2008 8:37 AM

Well done Switzerland for enforcing the law. I don't want Muslim children to drown, even if some stupid Muslim parents do.

Posted by: NeverAMuslim [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 26, 2008 9:06 AM

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