He said it.
A few days ago Al Qaeda and Taliban propaganda sites began airing an interview with Taliban leader Mulla Nazeer Ahmad. Jihad Watch reader Jennifer has transcribed parts of it and kindly sent in the transcript of this almost hour-long interview. There is also an ‘official’ transcript available on some Al Qaeda websites.
Jennifer comments: “This video makes their intentions pretty clear. I don’t think Ahmad falls into that ‘moderate’ Taliban the State Department seems to be looking for.”
As Sahab’s interview with Mulla Nazeer Ahmad, Emir of the Taliban Muhajideen
And fight them until persecution is no more
We shall never put down our weapons, and religion is all for Allah [cf. Qur’an 2:193]
We shall never put down our weapons until this mischief ends and the rule of Shariah is established in Pakistan
All praise is to Allah, the mujahideen have now joined forces, Gui Bahadur, Baitullah and we all have become one
Do not trust the Pakistani government, all the tumult and mischief that has been stirred up in our land and the hostility and hatred that has been inflamed between us it is the evil work of this government
We are not afraid of war, war has raised the spirits of the mujahideen their numbers have multiplied and they are gaining success after success of the entire tribal belt
First we rose in Wana only, then in Miranshah our mujahideen have reached till Swat Valley
And if they coerce us or launch a military operation then these mujahideen will be on their way to Islamabad
This intro is followed by a brief bio of Mulla Nazeer Ahmad.
In the name of Allah, the Compassionate, the Merciful, we praise Allah and send our salutations to his noble Messenger, as to what follows I seek Allah’s refuge from the accursed Satan and begin in the name of Allah.
“˜Oh you who believe take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors, they are but friends and protectors amongst each other and he amongst you who turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guides not a people unjust” Al Maida: 51 [Qur’an 5:51]
The Soviets entered Afghanistan with great awe and terror they had intended to enter Pakistan at that time too, jihad erupted from these tribal areas
Interviewer: During the last seven years of Jihad against America, Waziristan has emerged as a stronghold and base for the Mujahideen from all over the world. Would you tell us about the movement of Jihad against America since the last seven years?
When we came back to Waziristan after the American attack, the Mujahideen were somewhat worried. As we started once again, the first raid we carried out was on the American camp at Michadad, which lies inside the Afghan border adjacent to South Waziristan. This was one month after we came back here. One of our brothers, Sayd Mohammad was martyred in that operation. We were worried about how to inform at his house, because we had not been able to bring it back to us, and also afraid that his body might deteriorate and the people would then hate us and taunt us about it. After seven days we were able to get him back. After seven days we found him as good as ever and more handsome than before. The people came out in the form of a procession to have a look at him. After this event, our numbers against America increased and the people started cooperating and taking part in Jihad themselves. Then our operation became more often. The first area we took over in Afghanistan was Bermel, the district headquarter of “˜Nawi Adda”. Molvi Iqbal was commanding that operation and took over the area completely and also got the spoils of war. Then we attacked the district headquarter at Shikin and got booty over there too. Then there was another of their bases and eighteen soldiers were burnt alive there”¦
Were these American?
No they were Afghan soldiers. After that we started executing ambushes, missile attacks and IED explosions continuously. Sometimes we also used to raid their bases. Then there was the “˜Bandar Qil”a” which was a very big fort in Afghanistan that the Russians had used before and the Americans had occupied it now. By the grace and mercy of Allah, we conquered it completely and returned with the booty which is still in record with us. After this we took over the Tameel district headquarter, from where we got eighteen guns, four pistols, and a motorcycle as spoils. Then we raided and seized the “˜Gumna” DHQ and burned one of their cars and took another with us along with the guns of booty. Our companions used to go to different areas like Ghazni and Zabul, but the Pakistani government started hindering our path. In the beginning we had intended Jihad against America and had not meant to fight here, but when the Pakistani government became an obstacle for us and started hindering our passages, destroying our bases, martyring our brother and ambushing and arresting them from their routes”¦
We were left no choice other than directing our weapons at the Pakistani government.
You are the Emir of the Taliban among the Wazir tribes, in South Warizistan. Is the group of Taliban over here under the Afghanistan’s Islamic Emirate and the Emir of the Believers, or is it a separate organization that makes its decisions itself? Also tell us that if you”re under the Emir of Believers, are you in contact with him, i.e. Mulla Muhammad Omar Mujahid, and does he give you the instructions and guidance or do you administer the system over here yourselves?
The Emir of the believers is now Emir of the Jihad too. The Mujahideen all over the world respect him as their Emir.
So does he send his representatives who meet you or something like that?
It is not difficult to meet him with our border that touches Afghanistan. We do meet their representatives and they are our Mujahid brothers. We meet each other but sometimes it is more difficult for them so they are unable to come.
When the brothers with you goes into Afghanistan do they take part in Jihad with the Afghan Taliban and under their command?
Yes, they work under them. Whichever province our brothers go to, they work under the command of the local Emir of the Taliban in that province.
Does the local population of South Waziristan support the Jihad or do you have any opposition from them?
No they are supportive people. Had they not supported us, we could not have remained here. They are the Muslims who have fought the Soviets, and the British before them and are proud to serve the Mujahideen today. They are eager to have us with them for meals and feel honored to serve the Mujahideen and believe this to bring great reward to them. Even if they cannot participate in Jihad practically, they want at least to serve the Mujahideen. So all our tribes are behind our back and with us.
If the Pakistani army carries out some operation will all the tribes and the Mujahideen over here wage Jihad with mutual cooperation?
Yes, absolutely, whatever is going on here even now, it is under America’s command. The Pakistani army is the executing force. If the Pakistan Army means to carry out an operation again then we shall answer it as one. All the tribes and the Mujahideen in North and South Waziristan shall retaliate simultaneously and the reply shall be much more severe than before.
If America flees from Afghanistan, the Mujahideen are triumphant and the Islamic system and the Shariah is implemented, by the grace of Allah once again, will your Jihad come to a halt”¦or do you have something further than that in mind?
No, no”¦.our Jihad is against kuffar, and to get back the lands the kuffar has occupied and our Jihad is meant to make supreme the word Allah and the Shariah. Our jihad isn’t limited to Pakistan or Afghanistan. We do not even accept these parting boundaries that “˜this shall be Pakistan” and “˜that shall be Afghanistan–¦this is nothing but an inanity devised by the Jews and we reject it. All Muslims are our brothers, may they be in Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Palestine or anywhere in the world. It is impossible to create divisions amongst Muslims and the present partitions are utterly rejected. Our Jihad is a global Jihad and we aim to liberate Muslims throughout the world and obliterate tumult, oppression and mischief and establish Shariah all over the world. We want the law of Allah on the land of Allah.
“˜Some people in Pakistan and even some of those who support the jihad in Afghanistan claim that Pakistan is an Islamic country–¦ the interviewer continues this line of questioning asking if it is “˜lawful” to wage Jihad against Pakistan.
Pakistan has helped the Jews and the Christians and took them for friends, so it has become one of them. “¦. This is Allah’s verdict and so we do not consider this government and Islamic government. This government has killed innocent and sent blameless persons to Cuba in return for dollars. Even now they are martyring Muslims and they haven’t sopped. Thus this government is no Islamic government, nor is it legal according to Shariah. It has sided kuffar and its laws are laws of the kuffar, so we do not believe it to be Islamic.
No no no we do not accept democracy it is a code of law of the kuffar. “¦..I have made it clear that vote casting is prohibited and it shall remain so in future. We utterly reject Democracy which has been formulated by kuffar and has no trace of Islam in it.
If the government or the army of Pakistan tried to convince you through negotiations or agreements or any other sort of dialogue that you put down your weapons and we will implement the Shariah in some limited area, as it happened before in Malakand; what will you say about this? Will our struggle come to a standstill at this point?
The Pakistani government is not sincere with their gesture to the people of Malakand. It is not true about its promise of giving them the Shariah system. This is no more than a warfare tactic of theirs. There is a war of Kalashnikovs and bullets and there is a war of politics. “¦. We do not ask for Shariah in Malakand or Waziristan only; rather we want it in all of Pakistan. The demands of laying down weapons are only meant to deceive the mujahideen. We shall never put down our weapons until this mischief ends and the rule of Shariah is accepted in Pakistan.
The interviewer asks Ahmad his thoughts about the attacks that took place in Mumbai, and about Hindus assaulting Muslims.
We do not know the mujahideen who sacrificed their lives in India but we lament our loss that why we could not go forth ourselves to give away our lives there. The sacrifice they offered was a very brave one. It lifted the spirits of the Mujahideen. We pray for them and consider them to be sincere with Allah. As for India, it should know that a great numbers of the Mujahideen lie await here in the tribal areas an inside Pakistan. If it proceeds to attack, then let it, be aware that Allah willing, we are fully able to answer back and too ready to give away our lives. Our reply shall be much more deadly than what we made them taste in Bombay.
After this year in 2010 America shall tear apart. It has already become powerless in Afghanistan and is confined to its base camps. They are unable to roam freely and the total area is under the control of the mujahideen. Allah willing, you will hear the good news of the conquest of Afghanistan very soon. But we must avail ourselves of this golden time and give sacrifice.
Do you perceive America’s global downfall in the near future?
It is very near, very near. Its economy has utterly collapsed; it is a loser in Somalia and Iraq and will soon lose in Afghanistan. It has reached the height of its thuggery, and from here will be the downfall.
The interviewer asks a broad question about Gaza, Operation Cast Lead, and the Jihad against Jews.
We have started our preparations for that and after America has been defeated the Jews should consider their downfall in next to no time. These mujahideen will reach them. They shall rise from Khurasan and reach Palestine. We want our Palestinian brothers to know that we are with them and that they should not hesitate to sacrifice more. And those of them who have settled down should rise for Jihad. There is no solution other than unsheathing our swords. So they must carry out Jihad against the Jews, whether they have plenty of means or none at all because Jihad has become obligatory upon us. “¦ We have been grieved by the Israeli oppression”¦.we ill take revenge.
We are with the Mujahideen whether they be in Kashmir or Palestine”¦
We can never have our rights by way of politics and democracy. Our objectives are achieved by sacrifice.
Presidential elections were held in America and Bush was replaced by Obama. Many people thought that there will be a great change in their policy regarding Pakistan and Afghanistan and the missile attacks will cease. What do you feel: is the situation changing or perhaps will change in the upcoming days?
There had been a white ass that departed and now there is a black ass that has taken over. Rather it ruins our creed. We put out trust only in Allah, the Glorious; the Great. It isn’t correct for us to look forward to any relief by Bush or Obama. Instead our difficulties are soothed by jihad.
So what would be your message to the Muslims, those living in Pakistan in particular”¦?
I would like to confirm to them that jihad has become an individual obligation. When the infidels lay siege to Muslim lands, as they have done in Afghanistan and Iraq, Jihad becomes obligatory upon each and every Muslim for the liberation of those Muslim lands. Obligatory in the same way that we perform our daily prayers”¦
We never take permission form our parent to pray”¦.but we still pray! Jihad is no different it has become an individual obligation.
We want our message to reach the Muslim Ummah that you must rise up for Jihad. It is true that there are always a few who sacrifice; but due to the ignorance of the rest these too have been surrounded in difficulty. If the entire people stand up for Jihad these problems will be solved, the rule of Shariah will be established, our worries will draw to a close and the world will see an Islamic revolution. But people have forsaken the Jihad because of money and their riches and children.
Give sacrifice so that this dilemma ends and Allah’s law rules Allah’s land.
Our success lies in martyrdom. Shahadah is our true victory. They should never despair because of it. We are with them and Allah willing we shall avenge them at all costs.
The day is not far when Islamabad will be in the hands of the Mujahideen. So let all those who have lived on elevate their spirits and stand up with us. And those who have been martyred, we ask Allah to enter them into the garden of Firdaus.
Pakistan is the foremost among all America’s 40-45 allies. About 75-80% of the captives at Cuba have been handed over by Pakistan. The others have not served it so well. About two to three hundred containers of American aid are supplied through Pakistan daily. This is Pakistan’s servitude to America. Seventy percent of assistance America receives is provided by Pakistan. They have martyred our Mujahid brothers, those of them who were leading us and were our elders. Whenever we rise for Jihad, Pakistan pursues us. Thus we are compelled to war Pakistan.
The Mujahideen have now joined forces with Gul Bahadus, Baitullah and we have all become one. All the mujahideen have unified against their enemy. So you should not be deluded by the enemy.
The difficulties shall end in a year or two, Islam shall reign and there will be prosperity. “¦Seven years have passed since the enemy endeavors to hunt down Osama and Mulla Omar but they are both alive. Allah willing, the enemy is a loser and is greatly distressed”¦.