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Egyptian Muslim cleric: “If Christians knew what the jizya means, they would demand it themselves”

Mar 12, 2013 10:51 am By Robert Spencer

Because who wouldn’t choose submission and denial of basic rights?

“Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.” — Qur’an 9:29

Muslim spokesmen in the West routinely claim that this verse has no applicability in the modern world. They’re lying.

Note also how Shaaban grounds everything he is saying in the context of adherence to the Sharia. His secular opponent doesn’t challenge his claim to be enunciating the principles of Sharia, belying the claim of Islamic supremacists in the U.S. such as Reza Aslan that Sharia is so amorphous as to defy characterization. Aslan has said: “There’s really no such thing as just Sharia, it’s not one monolithic Continuum – Sharia is understood in thousands of different ways over the 1,500 years in which multiple and competing schools of law have tried to construct some kind of civic penal and family law code that would abide by Islamic values and principles, it’s understood in many different ways…” Yet everywhere we see Sharia implemented, it’s implemented in essentially the same way.

“Salafi and Secular Intellectuals Exchange Insults and Nearly Come to Blows on Egyptian TV,” from MEMRI, March 5-6:

Following are excerpts from a TV debate between Egyptian cleric Mahmoud Shaaban and Egyptian journalist Islam Al-Buheiri, which aired on Al-Kahera Wal-Nas TV on March 5 and 6, 2013.

Moderator: If a woman abides by all the laws of the shari”a, in terms of the dress code, conduct, and everything — would you accept her as president of the country?

Mahmoud Shaaban: No.

Moderator: Why not?

Mahmoud Shaaban: Because the Prophet said: “A nation headed by a woman will never succeed.” The Prophet Muhammad warned against it. We abide by the texts of the shari”a.

Nor will I accept a Christian president for Egypt.

[“¦]

Moderator: Do you demand to impose the jizya poll tax on Christian Egyptians?

Mahmoud Shaaban: I demand the implementation of the shari”a.

Moderator: I was asking specifically about the jizya”¦

Mahmoud Shaaban: If Christians knew what the jizya means, they would demand it themselves.

Moderator: What is the meaning of the jizya?

Mahmoud Shaaban: If the shari”a were implemented as a whole, the Christians would be the happiest of all.

[“¦]

Brother, you should learn something. Shaving your beard diminishes your masculinity, according to Islam.

Islam Al-Buheiri: Of course, the entire problem boils down to a little bit of hair.

Mahmoud Shaaban: You”d better fear Allah. All four imams agreed on this.

Islam Al-Buheiri: Are you sure about that?

Mahmoud Shaaban: You know nothing about the shari”a. You want the Islam of America and Europe.

Islam Al-Buheiri: Yes, Islam exists in America and in Europe.

Mahmoud Shaaban: You want the Islam that Europe and America want. An Islam with no bite“¦

Islam Al-Buheiri: Actually, Islam with no beards”¦

Mahmoud Shaaban: What you want is an Islam that prostrates itself before the Zio-Western, Anglo-Torah ideology, my friend.

Islam Al-Buheiri: I”m not your friend.

[“¦]

Mahmoud Shaaban: Brother, have some fear of Allah. Stop leading people astray.

Islam Al-Buheiri: Is it me who is leading them astray?! You haven’t said one word of truth so far.

Mahmoud Shaaban: You don’t know what truth means.

Islam Al-Buheiri: You said Christians are infidels. Where did you get this from?

Mahmoud Shaaban: It’s in the Koran.

[“¦]

Egypt is a Muslim country and will never be anything else.

Islam Al-Buheiri: It is Muslim despite you, not because of you. You are scaring Islam away from it.

Mahmoud Shaaban: You”d better behave yourself, or I will show you the sharpness of my tongue. I”m restraining myself as much as I can.

Islam Al-Buheiri: Do you want to have a duel? You think I don’t have a tongue myself?

Mahmoud Shaaban: You deserve it. You don’t stand a chance against me.

Islam Al-Buheiri: When we”re off the air, I will teach you a lesson.

Mahmoud Shaaban: By Allah, behave yourself. I will give you a taste of my shoe.

Shaaban bends to remove his shoe

Islam Al-Buheiri: Oh yeah? I will wipe the floor with you.

Mahmoud Shaaban: I will give you a taste of my shoe.

Islam Al-Buheiri: This is the moral level you stoop to. I”m glad you”re doing this for everyone to see.

Mahmoud Shaaban: Behave yourself!

Islam Al-Buheiri: I will teach you and all you people how to behave! Grabbing your shoe? Well done, I”m very pleased.

Moderator tries to restrain Mahmoud Shaaban and calm him down

Moderator: I implore you”¦ Please”¦

Mahmoud Shaaban: Don’t you see what he’s doing? Ask me a question, and I will answer.

Islam Al-Buheiri: I got from him everything I needed. I am very pleased.

Mahmoud Shaaban: I”ve said nothing but the truth, and I will not apologize for it.

Islam Al-Buheiri: You”re done for, Sheik Mahmoud.

Mahmoud Shaaban: Behave yourself. I will not keep silent.

Islam Al-Buheiri: When we”re off the air, I’ll show you my own shoe. I don’t want people to see this. I promise you that once we”re off the air, I’ll teach you a new kind of defeat.

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