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Canada: Muslim mother and son convicted of threatening daughter of the family and her boyfriend with honor killing

Jan 24, 2014 3:08 pm By Robert Spencer

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As Blazing Cat Fur points out, this Ottawa Citizen article never once mentions Islam. This steadfast and universal refusal to identify the root cause of incidents like this one only ensures that there will be more of them.

Muslims commit 91 percent of honor killings worldwide. A manual of Islamic law certified as a reliable guide to Sunni orthodoxy by Al-Azhar University, the most respected authority in Sunni Islam, says that “retaliation is obligatory against anyone who kills a human being purely intentionally and without right.” However, “not subject to retaliation” is “a father or mother (or their fathers or mothers) for killing their offspring, or offspring’s offspring.” (‘Umdat al-Salik o1.1-2). In other words, someone who kills his child incurs no legal penalty under Islamic law.

The Palestinian Authority gives pardons or suspended sentences for honor murders. Iraqi women have asked for tougher sentences for Islamic honor murderers, who get off lightly now. Syria in 2009 scrapped a law limiting the length of sentences for honor killings, but “the new law says a man can still benefit from extenuating circumstances in crimes of passion or honour ‘provided he serves a prison term of no less than two years in the case of killing.’” And in 2003 the Jordanian Parliament voted down on Islamic grounds a provision designed to stiffen penalties for honor killings. Al-Jazeera reported that “Islamists and conservatives said the laws violated religious traditions and would destroy families and values.”

“Mother, son convicted of threatening woman, boyfriend with honour killing,” by Chris Cobb for the Ottawa Citizen, January 22 (thanks to Blazing Cat Fur):

OTTAWA — A mother and son, both Pakistani immigrants, were found guilty of several criminal charges Wednesday for harassing and threatening the daughter of the family after she “dishonoured” them for courting a “white guy.”

Both had threatened to kill the daughter and her non-Muslim boyfriend whom she had met while working with him at a McDonald’s restaurant.

Ontario Superior Court Judge Monique Metivier found the mother, Iqbal Bibi, guilty on two counts of uttering threats and one charge of intimidation, and her son, Khawar Saeed, guilty of one count each of criminal harassment, uttering threats, and intimidation.

They will be sentenced April 30.

Metivier said the daughter, Gulshan, was of an age to do what she chose.

The court heard that the family had emigrated to Canada in 2005 and had been strict with Gulshan to the point of not allowing her to socialize.

Soon after becoming romantically involved with her boyfriend, Corey Steel, Gulshan arrived home late after an evening with friends in the summer of 2011. Her father punched and slapped her in the face, before his son intervened to stop the assault.

The father, Mohammed Saeed, pleaded guilty and has already served a 300-day jail sentence for assault and uttering death threats.

After the beating, Gulshan left home to live with her boyfriend’s family and from that point the threats and harassment began and grew so intense that cousins, uncles, aunts and other family members regularly stood outside the Steel house while Bibi, alternating between hysteria and fury, urged her daughter to come home.

The harassment continued during Gulshan and Steel’s shifts at McDonald’s.

The Steel’s home phone and their son’s cellphone were inundated with crank phone calls, and Khawar sent a series of threatening texts to his older sister, then 20.

“If dad doesn’t kill you I will,” he texted, also telling her that Steel was “a white guy who would abandon you … We will be nothing when someone finds out.”

The girl’s mother, who left the courtroom in tears after listening to the proceedings with the aid of a translator, also threatened her daughter and Steel with death.

“We are going to kill you … and him,” she said, referring to Steel.

But Gulshan was adamant: “I’m not coming home,” she said, although she did agree to stay over at the family home one night when she knew her father was out of town.

Despite the harsh treatment, Gulshan had earlier told the court that she still loves her mother.

During the trial, the court was told by honour killing expert Shahrzad Mojab that culturally, the crimes were rooted in the control of women’s bodies and that when that control is wrestled away, it translates into shame and significant loss of respect within the family’s community.

The court heard Wednesday that the Saeed case was “a tragic family dispute based on a clash of cultures and familial and individual expectations.”

Bibi’s lawyer Peter Beach told the court Wednesday that the case had been “devastating” for the family and especially for Bibi, who has been forced by bail conditions to be separated from her husband for more than two years.

“They want to get back together,” he said. “It’s been a tremendous strain on the marriage. It’s been an absolute nightmare.”

No kidding, really?

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  1. Salah says

    Jan 24, 2014 at 9:36 pm

    “the crimes were rooted in the control of women’s bodies and that when “..that control is wrestled away, it translates into shame and significant loss of respect within the family’s community.”

    As the famous muslim scholar Al-Qurtubi wrote:
    “A woman may be likened to a sheep (even) a cow or a camel for all are ridden.”
    Tafsir al-Qurtubi, 172/15 تفسير القرطبى

    http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2010/12/perfect-man-of-islam.html

  2. mortimer says

    Jan 24, 2014 at 10:18 pm

    HONOR!
    “We (the family) will be nothing when someone finds out.”
    So, the family’s honor comes before all concerns. The manual of Sharia law allows parents and grandparents to murder their offspring without any punishment. Therefore, honor killing is FULLY Islamic. The Koran allows honor killing if the children will not grow up to be Muslims! (How does one know that?…Doesn’t matter.)

    Mohammed’s last sermon (his very last words to the world) say that women are ‘prisoners’ or ‘domestic animals’. A Muslim may slaughter children as a farmer slaughters cattle…with little or no emotion…especially if it is ‘just a girl’.

    • Jennifer Svendsen says

      Jan 25, 2014 at 12:21 am

      When anyone signs up to come and live in this country, that means that they (and their entire family)agree to obey the laws here too…. despite their own beliefs. In Canada, women are people, not property. They have the right to live work and to chose their own partners (or refuse any that someone else chooses for them) despite what their religion or family may dictate.

      We don’t mind sharing our homeland with you, but if our laws and culture do not work for you, then you are also welcome to GO BACK TO WHERE YOU COME FROM!

  3. Charli Main says

    Jan 25, 2014 at 7:14 am

    The murder of women for bringing “shame” on their families should not be described as ” honour killings”. There is no ” honour ” in the raping, beating and murder of women who refuse to be controlled by their fathers and brothers.
    These killings are plain and simple Islamocides and should be described as such.

  4. dumbledoresarmy says

    Jan 25, 2014 at 7:31 am

    This isn’t just about the girl exercising free choice. That is very often anathema to the mohammedan mob even if she chooses a fellow Muslim…we’ve seen enough stories of Muslim girls being murdered because they made what we would call a “love match” with someone from within their own cult-organisation.

    What’s *really* driving the family craaaazy in this case is that she’s gone against the sharia of Islam by choosing an *infidel* boyfriend who does not appear to have converted to Islam.

    And I observe that when she fled her family, she was taken in by her infidel boyfriend’s family. Personally, I hope – and pray – that she goes the whole way, so to speak, and **apostasises**. She won’t be completely free until she does. but she needs to know that if she does apostasise from Islam, she will be protected: from her murderous family, and from the rest of the murderous Mohammedan mob.

    Maybe the Canadians here present should write to PM Harper and explain why, in cases like this, it should be *assumed* that the Muslim or ex-Muslim female’s family – and, indeed, the rest of the mohammedan mob – represent a permanent, and mortal, threat to the fugitive. And that where a Muslim girl has chosen a *non-Muslim* boyfriend or, for that matter, married a non-Muslim, and it’s clear that she isn’t pressuring him to convert to Islam, and that he won’t be converting, the *boyfriend*, or fiance, or husband, is *also* under a permanent and mortal threat from the girl’s family, **and from any other Muslim who fancies him or herself as an Enforcer of the sharia of Islam**.

    Add, for good measure, that *any* Muslim who *leaves* Islam – apostasises – is in at least as much peril as any fugitive from a major organised crime syndicate, and in need of heavy-duty protection.

    And point out that if there were no Mohammedans in Canada none of this would have to be worried about. So: strongly suggest, just for starters, that Mohammedan immigration into Canada should be stopped, altogether; when in a hole, stop digging.

  5. SISAC says

    Jan 25, 2014 at 7:39 am

    There are some Pakistani Muslim groups such as Muslims Facing Tomorrow that are reform minded and explicitly against Sharia where the girl and her boyfriend can perhaps get moral and logistic support.

  6. Erin O'Connor says

    Jan 25, 2014 at 10:33 am

    These barbaric beast are not welcome in Ireland

  7. B. Korman says

    Jan 25, 2014 at 2:09 pm

    We are not doing enough to protect ourselves from this creeping threat! Robert Spencer and Pam Geller are on the front lines for all of us. Let’s all emulate their watchfulness and not grow complacent as this creeping cancer overwhelms us! “Oh, well, it’s their way,” gradually becomes the norm, and we can’t accept that.

  8. gravenimage says

    Jan 25, 2014 at 7:59 pm

    Canada: Muslim mother and son convicted of threatening daughter of the family and her boyfriend with honor killing
    …………………………………..

    This is, as other posters have pointed out, all perfectly islamic. While a Muslim man may marry an Infidel, no Muslimah is allowed to be with a non-Muslim.

    More:

    OTTAWA — A mother and son, both Pakistani immigrants, were found guilty of several criminal charges Wednesday for harassing and threatening the daughter of the family after she “dishonoured” them for courting a “white guy.”
    …………………………………..

    “White guy”—i.e., Infidel.

    More:

    Metivier said the daughter, Gulshan, was of an age to do what she chose.
    …………………………………..

    Not as pious Muslims see it…

    More:

    …Gulshan arrived home late after an evening with friends in the summer of 2011. Her father punched and slapped her in the face, before his son intervened to stop the assault.

    The father, Mohammed Saeed, pleaded guilty and has already served a 300-day jail sentence for assault and uttering death threats.
    …………………………………..

    So—they’d run afoul of civilized Canadian law before. But what do they care? Islam trumps everything…

    More:

    After the beating, Gulshan left home to live with her boyfriend’s family and from that point the threats and harassment began and grew so intense that cousins, uncles, aunts and other family members regularly stood outside the Steel house while Bibi, alternating between hysteria and fury, urged her daughter to come home.
    …………………………………..

    See—the *whole* extended family was involved in this. This isn’t one or two out-of-control relatives.

    More:

    “If dad doesn’t kill you I will,” he texted, also telling her that Steel was “a white guy who would abandon you … We will be nothing when someone finds out.”
    …………………………………..

    Muslim values in action: it becoming know that your sister is dating an Infidel = terrible shame. *Killing* your sister = perfectly Halal.

    More:

    The girl’s mother, who left the courtroom in tears after listening to the proceedings with the aid of a translator, also threatened her daughter and Steel with death.

    “We are going to kill you … and him,” she said, referring to Steel.

    But Gulshan was adamant: “I’m not coming home,” she said, although she did agree to stay over at the family home one night when she knew her father was out of town.
    …………………………………..

    Well, *this* is stupid—it’s not just dear old dad who is threatening her life. And oftentimes Muslim families lure victims back with falsehoods. If Gulsahn and her boyfriend had any sense, they’d move out of reach of the Muslim Mafia.

    More:

    Despite the harsh treatment, Gulshan had earlier told the court that she still loves her mother.
    …………………………………..

    Too bad “mom” doesn’t eel the same way. And that one-sided love just might get the poor young woman murdered.

    More:

    During the trial, the court was told by honour killing expert Shahrzad Mojab that culturally, the crimes were rooted in the control of women’s bodies and that when that control is wrestled away, it translates into shame and significant loss of respect within the family’s community.

    The court heard Wednesday that the Saeed case was “a tragic family dispute based on a clash of cultures and familial and individual expectations.”
    …………………………………..

    Still no mention of Islam…

    More:

    Bibi’s lawyer Peter Beach told the court Wednesday that the case had been “devastating” for the family and especially for Bibi, who has been forced by bail conditions to be separated from her husband for more than two years.
    …………………………………..

    Poor thing…sarc/off Apparently, she is fine with threats to murder her own daughter.

  9. dumbledoresarmy says

    Jan 26, 2014 at 6:51 am

    Might be worth a try for Canadians here present: write to your PM and Foreign Minister and Immigration Minister and *demand* that after the sentences have been served all three murderous Mohammedans – *both* the parents and the brother – should be stripped of Canadian citizenship (if they have it ) and Returned To Sender: Islamic Pakistan. They would be no loss to Canada. All Canadians will be just that little bit safer, once they are gone.

    And there are a good few more Mohammedans in this case who should be given the boot as well, to judge from this passage:

    “the threats and harassment began and grew so intense that **cousins, uncles, aunts and other family members regularly stood outside the Steel house ** {my emphasis – dda} while Bibi, alternating between hysteria and fury, urged her daughter to come home..”

    Every one of those “cousins, uncles, aunts and other family members” – aka murderous threatening criminal mohammedan mobsters – should *also* be identified, rounded up, stripped of their papers, and booted out of Canada, all the way back to Pakistan; since as far as I can see, they represent a real and continuing threat to Mr Steel and all of his family, as well as to Gulshan.

    Gulshan herself should be offered protection but, at the same time, strongly encouraged to apostasise. I don’t know whether Mr Steel’s family are Christian (practising) or nonreligious, but they would be well advised to do everything they can to encourage this young woman to publicly and decisively abandon the cult of blood and war. If they are Christians, I would advise them to pray regularly and often for her spiritual deliverance.

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