If John Kerry went into a cathedral and rang the bells, there would probably be a lot of indignation about it in the mainstream media — even more if a Republican Secretary of State did it. Outraged editorials would huff and puff about the “separation of church and state,” and call on the Secretary to be more “inclusive.” But no one will mind this. The U.S., after all, builds mosques in other countries — only if it built a church would the “wall of separation” be unacceptably breached.
“Kerry Tours Giant Mosque In Indonesia,” from Carbonated.TV, February 16 (thanks to The Religion of Peace):
U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry spent part of his Sunday in his stocking feet at an Indonesian mosque, at one point beating a huge drum used to call Muslims to prayer.
Kerry’s visit to the modern Istiqlal Mosque in central Jakarta, said to be the largest mosque in Southeast Asia with a capacity of 130,000, was designed to demonstrate his respect for Islam as he visited the world’s largest Muslim-majority nation.
Kerry spent about 20 minutes touring the mosque, chatting briefly with women studying Islamic law and admiring the blue ceiling of its dome.
Having removed his shoes in keeping with Islamic custom, Kerry at one point was shown a gigantic, skin-covered drum which rests sideways on the mosque’s floor and stood several feet taller than his head.
After witnessing a demonstration by the Grand Imam, identified by the State Department as K.H. Ali Mustafa Yaqub, Kerry then used a club to beat the drum, which is used to call Muslims to prayer.
“It has been a special honour to visit this remarkable place of worship,” Kerry said in a handwritten note to memorialize his visit. “We are all bound to one God and the Abrahamic faiths tie us together in love for our fellow man and honour for the same God.”
Anthony says
What a jack ass!!
Jay Boo says
All the 4 legged jack asses reply
Oh no he is not one of us.
gama says
The scarecrow { no brains } and the Munchkins !
Tradewinds says
“We are all bound to one God and the Abrahamic faiths tie us together in love for our fellow man and honour for the same God.” – John Kerry
What a bunch of BS. The Judeo-Christian God and the Islamic moon deity Allah are not the same. This is our Secretary of State. Just how low can the U.S. go with this Muslim/Islam crap. Pretty low apparently.
Guy Macher says
Forgive John Kerry for he knows not what he does.
A little known fact: Kerry served in Vietnam.
Sayid says
Lesser known fact: Kerry dishonored his Viet Nam service by throwing his ill-gotten medals over the White House fence, then “testifying” before Congress about war “crimes” committed by US troops. He is a disgrace to all veterans, a traitor to our nation, and certainly a fine choice to represent this administration.
Joel says
I do not know about ALL of his medals. However, about his SILVER STAR, it was a load of BS mixed with HS.
It was another person’s (soldier’s) Silver Start. I do not recall if it was with his (or if deceased, his heirs/family) permission or not.
But Kerry, besides marrying money, made his money as, basically, a high class ambulance chaser (my view)
voegelinian says
Indeed. John Kerry’s solemnly haggard and horse-faced (even when younger) testimony before Congress purveying the ridiculously hateful and brazenly deranged accusation that the U.S. Military is “worse than Genghis Khan” should forever blacken his record. But, of course, tens of millions of Americans instead enabled the Occupation of our White House by the abominable O-Man who naturally elevated Kerry to unprecedented influence and power.
Dr. Denis MacEoin says
How many times do I have to say it? Allah was not and is not a ‘moon god’. Arab paganism had such gods, but Muhammad, under Jewish and Christian influence, preached a monotheistic deity using the simplest Arabic name, Al-ilah (shortened to Allah), the God. Try reading the Qur’an and you’ll see that this insistence on God’s oneness is completely central to Muhammad’s mission. The story of Abraham illustrates this very well, moving from worship of stars to belief in a single deity. And no, I’m not a Muslim, and I don’t much like Islam, but I believe in honesty and facts. There is no point in having a debate with Muslims if you can’t get your facts straight.
voegelinian says
It is possible that the monotheism that developed as Islam was a transmutation of existing Arabic polytheism; and there does seem to be some evidence suggesting this hypothesis. It is also likely that the Islam that was cobbled together borrowed heavily (i.e., plagiarized) from extant Jewish and Christian theologoumena — distorted by heretical and quasi-Gnostic currents and folklore. I don’t see how the latter process excludes at least some of the former.
Meanwhile, the monomaniacal obsession with monotheism in Islam may well be explained not theologically, but rather theomachically — as a belligerently intolerant way of ideologically aggrandizing the power they seized with the blades of countless swords.
voegelinian says
P.S.:
voegelinian says
Wow, one little lapsus muris (“slip of the mouse”) triggered the process of posting my postscript before I was even finished!
Anyway, what I was going to add was that the Takbir — the cry of Allahu Akbar! — so central to the aggrandizing mission of Islam tends to reinforce my last paragraph in my preceding comment: to wit, that Islamic monotheism is less about some kind of theological purity than it is about a particular Mesopotamian War God waging a bloody war against all other gods (and against all their various followers), so that his title of being “Greater” (= Akbar) — necessarily including the subjection of the followers of all other “Lesser” gods to a humiliating slavery that befits their eternal inferiority, when they are not butchered in rages of fanatically deranged piety — may be actualized.
I.e., Islam may actually be a henotheism (of a War God), not a monotheism.
See my essay:
Islam: Henotheism, not Monotheism
http://hesperado.blogspot.com/2013/08/islam-henotheism-not-monotheism.html
Champ says
How many times do I have to say it? Allah was not and is not a ‘moon god’.
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allah is NOT the God of the Bible:
http://www.kingmessiahproject.com/is_allah_not_God.html
Bill C. says
Par for the course, as Obama exits California after playing golf for the upmteeth time /sarc
Diann Vail says
this man is an idiot – I cannot bear to hear/see all the ridiculous things he is doing in the world. What is wrong with these people?
Wellington says
Kerry is completely clueless about Islam and filthy rich by way of marrying wealthy women (in pure gigolo fashion). Depending on the moment, I resent one more than the other. At this moment, I resent the former more.
gerard says
Kerry is a fool.
God help us.
islamisdeath says
“We are all bound to one God and the Abrahamic faiths tie us together in love for our fellow man and honour for the same God.” – John Kerry
Only if Abraham was satan.
islamisdeath says
“We are all bound to one God and the Abrahamic faiths tie us together in love for our fellow man and honour for the same God.”
Only if Abraham was satan
spikess says
The Foney war hero John ‘LURCH’ Kerry still has no clue . He was ‘in country’ Viet Nam for 5 months total . Two months training and then after in the next 3 months he put in for himself ‘4 Purple Hearts’ while never breaking even a fingernail. No action with the enemy except one time when his swift boat was allegedly fired at from along distance away. And he does admit in murdering a young 5 yr. old boy with a 45 cal. round in the back after he chased the young lad down and then shot him dead. Oh yea, the U.S. military rules were that anyone that has 4 purple hearts could go home if they wanted to. If that was an Olimpic event that would be a gold medal world record.
judi says
Words fail me!!
Jimbo says
He’s ready for the glue factory.
Jay Boo says
Kerry closed his eyes and clicked his heels together
and repeated three times …
“We are all bound to one God and the Abrahamic faiths tie us together in love for our fellow man and honor for the same God.”
as the wicked witch Hillary circled above on her broomstick hysterically laughing her hideous laugh.
Libby Rafferty says
John Kerry is a tool of the M B – he’s an idiot
Jay Boo says
Indonesia Creep
More clothing creeping onto store shelves from vile Islamic countries like Indonesia.
No doubt Kerry is promising special treatment if they Kerry call them ‘friend’
Why aren’t there heavy trade tariffs or sanctions against Islamic countries that persecute Christians?
Semeru says
#1 Most of the companies who are filling the shelves with clothing just happen to be owned by Chinese/Christian companies
#2 Indonesia never declared itself a Muslim state. The Indonesian state is based on the idea of Pancasila (five principles) that covers the idea of a belief in God, humanitarianism, unity in diversity (pluralism), representative democracy and social justice. Nowhere in the Indonesian constitution does it mention that Indonesia is a Muslim state.
As for the Islamists who have been fighting for the establishment of an Islamic state in Indonesia, they have been defeated through both bullets and ballots. In elections, even though they secured quite a number of votes, Islamist parties never came up as a majority in a country where more than 80 percent of its populace follows Islam. Secular-nationalist and religious-nationalist parties secured better results in these elections.
The recent media coverage about the imposition of local laws based on Islamic tenets by a ruling Islamic party in certain districts has been blown out of proportion to create an impression that Indonesia is controlled by Islamists.
Islamists do not control Indonesia, and Indonesia has a long long way to go before it becomes vile islamic country
Brian C. Hoff says
You are correct. Look at afew community in america where christian try to block the builting of mosques and Islamist Centers. Mosque that where destory by christian and other hate group like act for america.
Leith Wood says
Act for America is not a hate group. Just the opposite. Check it out.
gravenimage says
More crap from “DefenderofIslam”.
Defcon 4 says
What a load of BS. The ongoing ethnic cleansing of the najjis kaffir in W. Papua New Guinea say differently islam0nazi liar — as does the genocide committed by Indonesian islam0nazis in E. Timor.
Jimi says
Outside of the big cities like Jakarta indonsia is very Muslim. If you get away from the big cities education drops. They do teach that “6 free religions ” stuff in the schools,but that is nit the way it is. Islam is very much on top. Islam is the most free religion in Indonesia. The others not free at all.
Dr. Denis MacEoin says
Thank you, Semeru, for the first intelligent and factual statements I’ve read among these vile comments. The site seems to be dominated by bigots and losers, not one of whom has the first notion about Islam. You are to be commended.
Def con 4 says
“Bigots and losers” are what islam0nazis call their critics when they can’t merely kill them or incarcerate them like they do in all their various islam0nazi misery theme parks.
Wellington says
You’ll make no headway here by way of the sweeping ad hominem approach. Try being specific, that is if you can.
As for none of us having the first notion about Islam, it would be difficult for you to be more wrong. Many here at JW know the Koran, the Hadiths, the Sira, the pronouncements of the major Islamic schools of theology and certainly the fact that over 22,0000 documented Islamic terrorist attacks have occurred worldwide just since 9/11 (go back to the seventh century and it would be millions).
As Bertrand Russell observed almost a century ago, Islam is the only major religion which is totalitarian in structure and ideology. Winston Churchill spoke of Mein Kampf as “the new Koran” and said of Islam, “no stronger retrograde force exists in the world.” And take a look at what Edward Gibbon, Thomas Jefferson, John Quincy Adams, Arthur Schopenhauer, Ernest Renan and Oriana Fallaci had to say about Mo’s creed. Or does your arrogance and ignorance extend so far that you can dismiss all these people I have mentioned by way of averring that they too didn’t have the first notion about Islam?
Robert Spencer says
As the owner of this site, I challenge you to a debate on the question of whether the Qur’an teaches warfare against and subjugation of unbelievers. We’ll see which of us has more than a “first notion about Islam.” You can contact me to accept the challenge at director@jihadwatch.org.
Cordially
Robert Spencer
Wellington says
I highly doubt, Mr. Spencer, that Dr. Denis MacEoin will take you up on your challenge, wuss that he probably is, but I sure wish he would. A good destruction in debate is a beautiful thing to see now and again.
Champ says
Thank you, Semeru, for the first intelligent and factual statements I’ve read among these vile comments. The site seems to be dominated by bigots and losers, not one of whom has the first notion about Islam. You are to be commended.
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LOL!!!!! Semeru is a complete moron and so are you for thinking that he’s “intelligent and factual” ..oh my that’s a doozy I haven’t laughed this hard in I don’t know how long! 😀
voegelinian says
Well, what an endorsement of our indefatigable obfuscator of Islamorealism, “Semeru”! A better (unwitting) indictment, from some “Dr.” — who earlier purveyed the hackneyed and wildly inaccurate mantra that the Mohammedan War God is essentially no different from the revolutionary and revelatory God of Abraham — would be hard to find…
voegelinian says
“The Indonesian state is based on the idea of Pancasila (five principles) that covers the idea of a belief in God, humanitarianism, unity in diversity (pluralism), representative democracy and social justice. Nowhere in the Indonesian constitution does it mention that Indonesia is a Muslim state.”
And for this residual, if ultimately ineffectual and insufficient, inhibition to Islam in Indonesia we can thank the Dutch Colonialists, then the brutal dictatorships of Sukarno and Suharto — since the Muslim Demos wherever it flourishes is too diseased by fanaticism to evolve, naturally on its own without being forced, any mutation of Mohammedanism into Moderation.
Elise says
There is no freedom of religion in Indonesia, because indigenous people who worship a different being than those of the recognized religions, can’t get a government job and don’t exist because they aren’t allowed to receive a birth certificate. If the community has a majority of Muslims, they won’t allow a building permit for Christians who want to build a church, unless of course they pay a monthly bribe. Recently, the military burned the boats of fishermen from Papua because these fishermen believe in a different God and want independence from Indonesia like E. Timor.
Women in Aceh will be whipped or put in jail for wearing tight clothing, mingling with unrelated men, and sitting astride motorbikes. According to their anti pornography laws a woman can be put in jail for wearing clothing that arouses a man and kissing is censored in the movies. It’s can be dangerous to celebrate Christmas, Hanukkah, Easter, Passover, and even Valentine’s Day if you live in Indonesia, unless you live in Bali or a predominantly Christian area. There is a mosque 8 miles from my house in America and I see no one in America preventing people from worshiping there.
I don’t hear many Muslims in Indonesia complaining about the treatment of minorities, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews or Christians. I’m sure that Judaism is not a recognized religion in Indonesia. One can be put in jail for being an atheist, in Indonesia for blasphemy.
Brian C. Hoff says
In 2003 at our old mosque than man threw 2 firebomb at our playground which our childern where useing. The bar tender at the bar he was drink heavy while say that he drive the muslim out of our city by burning our mosque to the ground when he left the bar the bar tender call the police with the plate number of the car. He was arrest by the police an later plead guiely than got 12 year in federal court. In Tenn in one country there afew Islam hater try to stop the muslim from builting than new mosque( the muslim live there for 20 year and pray at they old mosque) by legal act in the state and federal court they lost. Now that the mosque is built they still fighting the planning board vote to allow the new mosque to be built. Alots of people in that count have no ploblen with muslim an they new mosque except for than handfull of bigots. In Fl state christian political go out of they way to get rid of Islam they end up losting.
Defcon 4 says
I never thought it was possible to rant and rave in the written word, until I read Jack MeHoff’s post.
Semeru says
Let us see how wrong the above (Elisa) poster is
There is no freedom of religion in Indonesia, because indigenous people who worship a different being than those of the recognized religions, can’t get a government job and don’t exist because they aren’t allowed to receive a birth certificate.
Wrong, There are many factors why children do not get birth certificates (Akta Kelahiran), and religion is not one of them. Also Indonesian birth certifcates do not state what religion the person belongs to.
http://goo.gl/iUQejz
Where as ID cards (KTP) do mention religion.
The Ministry of Religious Affairs extends official status to six religious groups: Islam, Catholicism, Protestantism, Buddhism, Hinduism, and Confucianism. Unrecognized groups may register with the Ministry of Culture and Tourism as social organizations. Although these groups have the right to establish a house of worship, obtain identity cards, and register marriages and births, they sometimes face administrative difficulties in doing so. In some cases these challenges make it more difficult for individuals to find jobs or enroll children in school. Legally, identity card applications are now acceptable when the “religion” section is left blank; however, members of some groups reported that they sometimes faced obstacles.
An estimated 20 million persons, primarily in Java, Kalimantan, and Papua practice animism and other types of traditional belief systems termed “Aliran Kepercayaan.” Which the government permits as a cultural manifestation, not a religion. Aliran Kepercayaan groups must register with the Ministry of Culture and Tourism, and local authorities generally respect their right to practice their beliefs.
The government permits the practice of the traditional belief system of Aliran Kepercayaan as a cultural manifestation, not a religion. Aliran Kepercayaan groups must register with the Ministry of Culture and Tourism, and local authorities generally respect their right to practice their beliefs.
http://www.state.gov/j/drl/rls/irf/2010/148869.htm
If the community has a majority of Muslims, they won’t allow a building permit for Christians who want to build a church, unless of course they pay a monthly bribe.
This is not the case. The issuing of permits has a lot to do with the local government, if it is an islamist, the monthly bribes will not sway it. Also if your statement is true then explain why many of the churches that were burned or damaged during the October 1996 Situbondo riot were successfully rebuilt with cooperation between Christian and Muslim communities.
Recently, the military burned the boats of fishermen from Papua because these fishermen believe in a different God
The Indonesian military did not burn boats of fishermen, the military where searching for the fishermen after there boat was destroyed by the promently christian Papua New Guinea navy.
Women in Aceh will be whipped or put in jail for wearing tight clothing, mingling with unrelated men, and sitting astride motorbikes. According to their anti pornography laws a woman can be put in jail for wearing clothing that arouses a man and kissing is censored in the movies.
The have been several reports of women being arrested by there are no reports of women being jailed or whipped
It’s can be dangerous to celebrate Christmas, Hanukkah, Easter, Passover, and even Valentine’s Day if you live in Indonesia, unless you live in Bali or a predominantly Christian area.
And how would you know this when you Live half way round the world
There is a mosque 8 miles from my house in America and I see no one in America preventing people from worshiping there.
Well there are enough people here on Jihad Watch who advocate that islam should be abolished from America
I don’t hear many Muslims in Indonesia complaining about the treatment of minorities, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews or Christians.
And if you did you would only accuse them of practicing taquiya
I’m sure that Judaism is not a recognized religion in Indonesia.
You seem to know so much about Indonesia, but you do not know the six recognized religions.
One can be put in jail for being an atheist, in Indonesia for blasphemy.
Well I have not been put into jail yet.
Defcon 4 says
Tell your lies to the najjis kaffir of E. Timor, or the najjis kaffir of W. Papua New Guinea (here’s hoping they beat your muslime brethren back into Indonesiastan).
Brian C. Hoff says
That guy have 4 firebombs in his car the two he threw at the mosque landed in the playground didnot bust into than fireball. He show the people in the bar the firebombs he make and the bar tender was ex-special force didnot like the carzy idear of the man. Terry Jones was arrest for planning to burn 3000 Quan’s by Fl State Police. You are correct about your nation. In 1939 Hitler offer Poland than deal if Poland allow than extra-territy lands link between germany and east pussian germany will allow poland to have free trade zone inside of Germany plus Germany will help poland ecomony aid to help then out. England government want war so they tell the Poles to not acept the deal. Soviet Union want war in Europe so they can expand into Europe after the war end. America government who knew of the secrect deal between Germany and the USSR to divide Poland between then,we didnot tell the polisk government that infro which might have led Poland to reach than deal with Germany thereby voiding WWII alltogether. Poland was led by national leader who try to gain more land in the 1920′ to 1930’s by attacking her neightopr like the USSR in 1923.
JamesonRocks says
Worrisome as this man could wind up running for President in 2016.
Nomadic100 says
No amount of contempt for Obama, Kerry, Reid and Pelosi is enough.
Salah says
“..beating a huge drum used to call Muslims to prayer.”
Did he hear or smell something strange?
Allah’s Apostle said, “When the Adhan (Muslims call to prayer) is pronounced Satan takes to his heels and passes wind with noise during his flight in order not to hear the Adhan. !!!
http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2011/07/satanic-fart.html
Jimbo says
He’s raedy for the glue factory.
Defcon 4 says
Kerry could’ve visited the oldest synagogue in Indonesia, but it mysteriously burned to the ground and for some reason the all muslime fire brigade didn’t seem capable of dousing the flames, or responding in a timely fashion.
PJG says
Whoops! When I went to the Grand Mosque (or Big Mosque or whatever it’s called) in Omdurman I neglected to take off my shoes…and no-one said anything!!!
Sometimes I think Western non-Muslims care more about Islam than Muslims do.
Raleigh Epp says
Sad and embarrassing!
TK Heekin says
Ghengis Kerry
David from Britain says
As we would say in England, this man (and his boss) are complete pillocks!
We have a lot of them in government over here too.
London Jim says
The image sorta reminded me of a Nubian eunoch beating the drum on an Ottoman slave galley. Got that image when I was ten years old reading ‘The Long Ships’ by Frans G. Begtsson.
London Jim says
Apos, Frans G. Bengtsson.
gravenimage says
Dr. Denis MacEoin does appear to have some understanding of the threat Islam presents to Jews, Christians, and Baha’i—and yet he still clearly feels the need to defend Islam. Hardly uncommon, unfortunately.
http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/dr-denis-maceoins-letter-to-st-james-church/
Frit Kohlhaas says
As I said many times before: Kerry is an imbecile!