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Muslim website: 84% see Valentine’s Day as unacceptable innovation, “an aspect of imitating the West”

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Bid’ah is innovation, which is unacceptable because “this day I have perfected your religion for you” (Qur’an 5:3).

And the West should not be imitated; only Muhammad, the “excellent example” for all Muslims (cf. Qur’an 33:21), should be imitated. And he gave no Valentines, especially to the kuffar: “Muhammad is the apostle of Allah. Those who follow him are merciful to one another, harsh to the disbelievers (Qur’an 48:29).

This view, of course, is widespread among Muslims.

“Allah did not create man so that he could have fun. The aim of creation was for mankind to be put to the test through hardship and prayer. An Islamic regime must be serious in every field. There are no jokes in Islam. There is no humor in Islam. There is no fun in Islam. There can be no fun and joy in whatever is serious.” — Ayatollah Khomeini

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Oh, and Happy Valentine’s Day. Kiss the one you love.

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  1. Fitting since Islam has zero understanding of romantic love, or for that matter, any love at all.

    Really, where does Islam encourage or inspire love? It certainly inspires submission. Yes, it’s very big on the “submission thing.” But love? I see it nowhere. Does anyone?

    • Yes, Wellington, I see lots of love in Islam.

      But not, as you point out, romantic love, and not brotherly love.

      They love death, bloodshed and making others suffer, and they are proud of it.

      Best to forget them for a day, and enjoy Valentine’s day with your loved one. Enjoy a love no mohammedan will ever know.

  3. Ref:
    An Islamic regime must be serious in every field. There are no jokes in Islam. There is no humor in Islam. There is no fun in Islam. There can be no fun and joy in whatever is serious.”
    — Ayatollah Khomeini
    ————————-

    Iranian films do not allow men and women to touch.
    How do they make babies.
    It certainly can’t be from sex.

    • Maybe it’s from the Bacha Bazi boys! The All Dancing Boys reviews are still very popular with the manly men of Iranistan!

  4. Khomeini issued his “Valentine” against Salman Rushdie, and against all those associated with producing and publishing The Satanic Verses, on Feb 14, 1989.

  5. Just like all of us, decent Muslims need Love, they are starting to realize that there is no Love in Islam.

    Egyptian imam Mazhar Shaheen on egyptian TV:
    “Happy Valentine Day to all of you. They (the Muslim Brotherhood) don’t know Love, we are going to defeat them through Love.”

    Sorry, video has no translation.

    • Decent muslime, is that like a moderate nazi?

      Which muslimes have denounced muhammad’s actions in enslaving,
      slaughtering or expelling all the Jews who lived in Soddy Barbaria
      before he was even born?

      Which muslimes have renounced the rabid, pervasive antisemitism
      found in all the holey books of islam?

      Which muslimes have renounced the calls to subjugate and/or enslave
      and/or slaughter the unbeliever?

      Which muslimes have renounced the hadith that call for the extermination
      of Jews?

      • the mosque is porous

        some enslaved by the Allah god (unknowable; the best of all deceivers) are so only in the outward sense and seek innovation, i.e. freedom

        yet this is desired at dear cost

      • I hope you’re not referring to Nonie Darwish or Wafa Sultan or Aayan Hirsi, because they have renounced islam.
        I don’t see how it’s possible to denounce any of the actions of the most holey and perfect man in islam and still claim to be a muslime.

  6. “…they are starting to realize that there is no Love in Islam”

    The fact that some Muslims oppose other Muslims is not evidence that they reject sharia and jihad, or that they accept non-Muslims.

    Facts about Egyptian Muslims:
    88% support the death penalty for apostasy [p.219]
    80% support stoning to death for adultery [p. 221]
    96% say Islam is the only path to salvation [p. 191]

    http://www.pewforum.org/files/2013/04/worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-full-report.pdf

    As for this imam Mazhar Shaheen, without a translation, I can’t evaluate the validity of what you are implying about the goodness of his speech. In my experience, there are only two kinds of imams, those who support sharia and jihad, and those who lie about Islam (or both). What evidence is there that Mazhar Shaheen doesn’t fit into one or both of these categories?

    • p.s. I was responding to Salah’s post. I hate to burst his bubble, but he keeps blowing bubbles like that in the comment section.

      • It’s about time a JW regular noticed what Salah has been doing for months and months in various comments sections on Jihad Watch.

        I’m glad Rod Serling found time out of his busy schedule of excessively pestering another commenter, Jessie James, in another comments thread, to notice and appropriately rebut, the more important problem of asymptotic tendencies within the Counter-Jihad, especially when it is reiterated like a thousand times over two years in various comments on this most influential website here (“asymptotic” being my term to denote the curious but, alas, rather common tendency of individuals in the Counter-Jihad to show signs of reinforcing the PC MC paradigm that is killing us by purveying the false notion of one or more variants of the MMM (Moderate Muslim Meme)).

        • voeg,

          JessieJames indicated that he favoured sharia punishment of homosexuals over leaving them alone or tolerating them. He cited sections of the Bible (OT and NT) indicating that homosexuals are worthy of death. He is convinced that homosexuals are possessed by Satan, and that their behaviour cannot be allowed to go “unchecked.” As far as I’m concerned his comments indicate that he supports sharia and murder and is therefore a traitor to the cause. I was attempting to get him to clarify his position on the issue. He didn’t, but he doesn’t deny what his posts clearly suggested to me, despite repeated requests for clarification. It is a disgrace that others have come in to run interference and enable him. That you have a problem with me for asking for clarification and condemning his apparent support for sharia, and not JessieJames, speaks volumes.

          As for Salah, this is not the first time I have addressed his unrealistic optimism about Muslims’ supposed aversion to Islam; others have also responded.

        • p.s. And to top it off, JessieJames accused me of being possessed by Satan for even opposing his apparent position and asking for clarification on that issue.

        • My problem with your responses to Jessie James were not that you called him on his statement, confronted him, and pointed out his lack of response. My problem with your approach is that you went on, as you are wont to do, and excessively pestered him.

        • Salah says

          “Sodomy is a cancer upon humanity and if not kept aggressively in check will CONSUME and DESTROY whatever culture deludes itself into believing that it is harmless.”

          As I said in another thread, I don t not believe that Salah and Jessis Jame support sharia, but they are both are calling for aggressively trampling on the freedoms of others in much the same way mohamedans.

          It’s not important whether the roots of gayness are nature or nurture, what is important is respecting another persons freedom.

          Salah then sends us to bizarre rant of catholic cattle trader Ann Barnhardt, so to support his distasteful stance.

          It is amazing how Xtains dislaim the old testament but have no problems with their saints use it to vilify gays

          Below are some rants, not by imams at friday prays, but by revered holy men of the catholic church

          Saint Augustine (354-430)

          The greatest of the Fathers of the West and one of the great Doctors of the Church, Saint Augustine laid the foundations of Catholic theology. In his celebrated Confessions, he thus condemns homosexuality:

          “Those offences which be contrary to nature are everywhere and at all times to be held in detestation and punished; such were those of the Sodomites, which should all nations commit, they should all be held guilty of the same crime by the divine law, which hath not so made men that they should in that way abuse one another.

          Saint Gregory the Great (540-604)

          “Sacred Scripture itself confirms that sulfur evokes the stench of the flesh, as it speaks of the rain of fire and sulfur poured upon Sodom by the Lord. He had decided to punish Sodom for the crimes of the flesh, and the very type of punishment he chose emphasized the shame of that crime. For sulfur stinks, and fire burns. So it was just that Sodomites, burning with perverse desires arising from the flesh like stench, should perish by fire and sulfur so that through this just punishment they would realize the evil they had committed, led by a perverse desire.

          Saint Peter Damian (1007-1072)

          “Truly, this vice is never to be compared with any other vice because it surpasses the enormity of all vices.… It defiles everything, stains everything, pollutes everything. And as for itself, it permits nothing pure, nothing clean, nothing other than filth.…

          “The miserable flesh burns with the heat of lust; the cold mind trembles with the rancor of suspicion; and in the heart of the miserable man chaos boils like Tartarus [Hell]…. In fact, after this most poisonous serpent once sinks its fangs into the unhappy soul, sense is snatched away, memory is borne off, the sharpness of the mind is obscured. It becomes unmindful of God and even forgetful of itself. This plague undermines the foundation of faith, weakens the strength of hope, destroys the bond of charity; it takes away justice, subverts fortitude, banishes temperance, blunts the keenness of prudence.

          “And what more should I say since it expels the whole host of the virtues from the chamber of the human heart and introduces every barbarous vice as if the bolts of the doors were pulled out

          And Jesse James had the Gall to call me a filthy atheist.

        • voegelinian,

          “My problem with your approach is that you went on, as you are wont to do, and excessively pestered him.”

          You should make that claim in the original thread, not this one. Suffice it to say I think my persistence and exploration of JJ’s apparent views, and of his persistent avoidance of clarifying things–not only for me but for other long-time readers as well–was both justified and revealing.

        • asymptotic
          The definition you gave sounds word for word like that of another JW poster
          Am I witnessing blogging plagiarism here or a double pen name?
          [ (“asymptotic” being my term to denote the curious but, alas, rather common tendency of individuals in the Counter-Jihad to show signs of reinforcing the PC MC paradigm that is killing us by purveying the false notion of one or more variants of the MMM (Moderate Muslim Meme)).]

          By the way Asymtomatic would be a better word choice asymptotic makes no real sense in context used here.

        • “asymptotic” is my term now, and under my previous names LemonLime and Hesperado.

          It denotes the curious tendency to “almost be anti-Islam but never quite get there” for various reasons.

      • RodSerling and LemonLime, I know you don’t like my “bubbles”, but guess what, this is free speech!
        My motto in this fight is:
        “As much as I hate Islam, I love Muslims.”
        Besides, I’m not the only one to believe that most Muslims are decent human beings trying hard to free themselves from 14 centuries of slavery. They can’t do it overnight, especially not with the kind of help they’re getting from us and from our PC leaders.
        Muslims are indeed starting to reject Jihad and Sharia.Yes, they’re doing it very, very slowly, but it’s a start, and a very welcomed one.

        Here’s what our host on JW wrote a few weeks back:

        “After the spectacular self-detonation of the Muslim Brotherhood government in Egypt, Islamic parties have lost some of their luster. It is interesting how at least some people in Kurdistan believe that Islamic parties will have only limited appeal. Are they greasy Islamophobes. No; in some Muslim countries and regions it is easier than it is in the West to express awareness of the fact that Sharia contains elements that most people, Muslim as well as non-Muslim, don’t want to live with if they have any choice in the matter.”

        http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/01/kurdistans-islamic-parties-seek-to-downplay-islam-in-order-to-broaden-their-appeal/

        • I’ll need to stress on this part:
          “Sharia contains elements that most people, MUSLIMS as well as non-Muslim, don’t want to live with if they have any choice in the matter.”

        • Sharia is an evil
          However, I don’t understand why JWs get so easily sidetracked on other issues like homosexuality.

          Somewhere in Proverbs there is a list of the things that God hates. Our common enemy wishes to sow dissention.
          Islam is the real issue.

        • Salah
          P.S. your identification of the fallacy of Islamic is always spot on.
          Good job

        • Your taqiyya doesn’t fly with me. All evidence in the islam0nazi world points to the exact, opposite conclusion to your assertion (i.e. that “Muslims are indeed starting to reject Jihad and Sharia.”). Maybe you should peddle your lies to a more appropriate venue, like the Daily Kos, or Huffington Ho. I hate muslimes for the same reasons I hate nazis, and you and your ilk deserve it.

        • Sorry to disappoint you, Defcon, but I’m not playing Taqiyya, as a matter of fact, I’m not even a Muslim, I’m a Catholic.
          As for this statement:
          “Sharia contains elements that most people, MUSLIM as well as non-Muslim, don’t want to live with if they have any choice in the matter.”
          Well, I’m not the one who wrote it, it’s Robert Spencer!

          Please, click on “Salah”, it will take you to my blog, there you will find out that my ferocious fight is against Islam, not Muslims. Another proof I’m not playing “taqiyya”.

        • Ref to:
          taqiyya ?
          you and your ilk / Muslim?
          ————

          Salah is not a Muslim guaranteed.

        • Salah doesn’t have to be Muslim, nor does he have to be purveying taqiyya, to be nevertheless reflexively defending Muslims out of a residual quasi-dhimmitude in his system — a hangover which many Middle Eastern Christians seem to have, unfortunately.

          I’m surprised that hardly any JW regulars express their deep dismay, if not repulsion, at Salah’s heavy doses of syrupy hope for Moderate Muslims he has been pouring into comments over the months. Such a regressive propaganda should sting our nostrils as outrageous stench — heightened by our common context here at Jihad Watch amid an ever-expanding mountain of data all around us, day after day, week after week, nonth after gruesome, ghoulish, grotesque month, over the mothefreaking years, documenting the evils and dangers of Muslims all over the world, leading anyone with half a brain to the conclusion that we cannot trust any Muslims and must assume all Muslims are equally dangerous (whether pursuing and/or enabling Violent Jihad, or Stealth Jihad as false moderates).

        • Salah.I could share your optimism is those who demonstrated against the MB, where instead demonstrating against islam. Now in all truthfulness of those millions who demostrated, how many do you think converted away from islam, do you think they can be counted in the thousands, hundreds or just a handful?

          If you think the MB or the islamist will go away that easily, they will be back, it may take 10, 50 or a 100 years, they will be back. ,

          BTW, the title of the link you gave said more than RS,s comment or what the article said. “kurdistans islamic parties seek to downplay islam in order to broaden their appeal”

          The key word being downplay “make (something) appear less important than it really”

          No Salah, the time to rejoice is when the Egypts start ripping down the mosques.

        • Salah,

          You have to acknowledge what is meant by “Islamic parties” in that context. In Egypt, as in most of the Muslim-majority world, all major political parties are pro-Islam; otherwise they will not get elected. The fact that Muslims oust one pro-Islam party and replace it with another brand of pro-Islamic party doesn’t tell us all that much, except perhaps that, even among the vast majority of Egyptian Muslims who want to kill apostates and adulterers, the even higher amounts of sharia that can be applied are too much even for them, i.e., because it requires more from them. As Robert has said many times, and I agree, there is always more sharia that can be applied. But it seems Muslims on average have an optimal level of sharia for them, and that optimal level for them happens to be toxic to non-Muslims. That’s the important point.

          An “Islamic party” in Egypt is one that identifies itself through such things as calling for more extensive sharia or sharia-inspired laws and policies than are already in place. Egypt already had sharia-inspired laws before the MB came to power, and it still has them now when the MB are out of power. (Same thing in Pakistan: Taliban wants sharia, gov’t of Pakistan says hey, we already have it. It is only a question of amount–comprehensiveness and severity). The Salafists (openly) demand more extensive sharia than the MB does (openly), though both demand more than the status quo. In addition, some Islamic parties will identify themselves by having a difference of interpretation of Islam, rather than advocating less Islam per se. Ultimately, it is all just conflict between pro-Islam parties, no more and no less.

          Having the army in charge temporarily in Egypt, to restore order, does appear to be better than having the MB in charge, which is in turn better than having the Salafists in charge. That is, better for non-Muslims in Egypt, better for Israel. But this merely gives slight relief to non-Muslims in Egypt, has no significant benefit for them overall, and doesn’t help the West at all.

          On the punishment of homosexuals issue, where you and JJ appear to agree with sharia, I suggest you address that in the original thread where the debate occurred. Unfortunately voegelinian has introduced it here as an off-topic distracting item.

  8. While individual Muslim marriage may be loving, love is not an essential of ‘nikah’ (meaning both marriage and penetration). Nikah is a business contract that the husband may terminate any time. The wife is similar to a slave. As a slave, a Muslim wife needn’t like or approve what her husband does … she just has to keep silent and comply… like any good slave does.

  9. They’re right.
    Valentine’s Day is a holiday celebrating romantic love.
    There is no love in Islam.
    So this holiday should not be celebrated by Muslims.
    How can they celebrate something their faith, which embraces everything, does not glorify?
    How can they celebrate love when all they want is war?

  11. Islam does not allow for cherishing one’s beloveds.

    Before long, we’ll see schools here in the United States banning any and all observations of Valentine’s Day. Islamification continues apace.

  12. The Golden Rule, championed by St. Valentine, is not in the Koran. The Koran promotes hate, supremacism and apartheid.

    “Abraham and those with him are the BEST EXAMPLES for you to follow. They told the people, “We have nothing to do with you and with those whom you worship besides God. We have rejected you. ENMITY and HATRED will separate us forever unless you believe in One God.” (K.60.4 Sarwar version)

    The BEST EXAMPLE in Islam is an example of HATE, rather than love.

  13. Don’t buy Cadbury candy for Valentine’s Day — because they sell halal candy so they don’t need the business of the najjis kaffir anymore.

  14. There is no romantic love in Islam—and precious little of any other kind of love, either—save the love of savagery and death. *Ugh*.

  15. If they don’t want to imitate the West then why are they using the internet to say so?

  16. In other words, there are virtually no ‘moderate’ Muslims…there are practicing and non-practicing Muslims.

    Those who accept Valentine’s Day either don’t care or don’t understand the question. The goal of Muslims is to wipe out the culture of the West and turn it into another Pakistan.

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