Mars One pleaded for this fatwa to be lifted. They really, really, wanted Muslims on their mission to Mars, as they have a taste for dealing with imagined insults, fabricated grievances, feigned and manipulative outrage, arrogant contempt for outsiders, and supremacist threats. But Dubai’s Grand Mufti is standing firm: Mars One is just going to have to do without Muslims, unless those Muslims want to risk hellfire. “Dubai Mufti reasserts fatwa on one-way trip to Mars,” by Ahmed Shaaban for the Khaleej Times, February 26:
Dr Ahmed Al Haddad’s fatwa is in response to a request raised by Netherlands-based trip organiser, Mars One, for recalling a similar ruling.
Once again the promoting or being involved in a one-way trip to the Red Planet was strongly condemned by the Grand Mufti of Dubai Dr Ahmed Al Haddad on Tuesday. The move has been declared as prohibited in Islam, and is a kind of annihilation for not a single rational benefit or Shariah-compliant reason. Denouncing the trip Dr Haddad called such a trip null, void, baseless, useless, unreasonable, and a rebellion against God’s rules of the universe.
The fatwa is in response to a request raised by Netherlands-based trip organiser, Mars One, for recalling a similar ruling issued by a committee under the General Authority of Islamic Affairs and Endowment in the UAE.
Late in April 2013, the Dutch company, invited volunteers to fly and live on Mars by 2023, but promised no return ticket because there is no technology so far that would enable a return trip from Mars to Earth. Thousands, including hundreds of Arabs applied for the first-of-its-kind adventure.
“Such a one-way expedition poses a risk to life, and can never be justified,” the committee said. “There is a possibility that an individual who travels to Mars may not be able to remain alive there, and shall be more liable to death.”
Speaking to Khaleej Times, Dr Haddad said humans do not own themselves. Rather, they are owned by Almighty Allah, the Creator who is free to manage their life and death as He wishes, and to Him is the return of all humans for judgment.
“People are not permitted to risk their life even if expecting little harm, as forbidden in verse 195/2 of the Holy Quran that says ‘And do not throw (yourselves) with your (own) hands into destruction’, and verse 29/4 ‘And do not kill yourselves (or one another). Indeed, Allah is to you ever Merciful’.”
Dr Haddad underscored that such an undeniable rule has been agreed upon by all heavenly religions and laws, and is one of the five major top priorities of all faiths.
“Mars expected colonists shall be unable to come back to the earth which Allah has made an expanse, a resting place, and a container for children of Adam where they live, settle, and die.”
Allah has created the planet Mars for a reason He only knows and made it livable for a specific life other than ours, as stated in verse 38 and 39/44: ‘We did not create the heaven and earth and that between them in play. We did not create them except in truth, but most of them do not know’, he added.
The Grand Mufti of Dubai said a human being, who has been created from clay, and shall return to it, and resurrect from it, is in harmony with the earth, and shall not be able to live on another planet he/she is in not in unison with at all.
“Astronauts need very special stuff to survive in the space for limited periods, and then come back to earth. What about those who shall not be able to return and are well aware of that fact? What kind of life they shall be leading therein?”
Warning, Dr Haddad said such a trip is against human beings who have been honoured by Allah who has given human beings generations succeeding one another on this wide Earth, and determined their sustenance and whatever good for them herein. “So, how may they logically seek another planet to settle in?”
Astronauts invade the space to impart what they learn to us, and tell people about the earth’s bounties and stockpiles, he said. “Otherwise, those expected Mars inhabitants shall not bring any benefit to themselves or others. Thus, their mission is null, void, baseless, useless, and unreasonable by all means.”
Dr Haddad indicated that Allah has made children of Adam His successors on earth, not on any other planet as stipulated in verse 30/2 of the Quran: ‘Indeed, I will make upon the earth a successive authority,’. Verse 61/11 says: ‘He has produced you from the earth and settled you in it,’ and according to verse 115/23: ‘Then did you think that We created you uselessly and that to Us you would not be returned?’
“Therefore, any attempt to change this undisputed fact is a rebellion against God’s rules of the universe who said in verse 64/40 of the Quran: ‘It is Allah who made for you the Earth a place of settlement and the sky a ceiling and formed you and perfected your forms and provided you with good things.’
The Grand Mufti of Dubai said it is the duty of all human rights watchdogs, all countries, and the United Nations to prevent such a chaos, deviance, and definite manipulation.
“Such an issue, I believe, is one that requires extensive research from scholars, astronomers, scientists concerned, and even international Fiqh (jurisprudence) academies, to come up with a collective fatwa.”
Noname says
How is he wrong from an Islamic point-of-view, Mr. Spencer?
If a Jewish scholar said the same things using Jewish theological views, you would not consider it comical enough to post on your site.
That is why no person of sound reason can take you or your “blog” seriously.
adc714 says
But a jewish scholar did not make such a silly argument against going to mars, and there in lies the difference between muslims and the rest of the civilized world…
Salah says
” That is why no person of sound reason can take you or your “blog” seriously.”
Really?
“Denouncing the trip Dr Haddad called such a trip null, void, baseless, useless, unreasonable, and a rebellion against God’s rules of the universe.”
God’s rule of the universe? well, let’s see what Islam has to say about
God’s rule of the universe:
Muhammad said: “..but it (the sun) will be ordered to return whence it has come and so it (the sun) will rise in the west.”
Bukhari 4.54.421
That is why no person of sound reason should take Islam seriously.
On the other hand, each and every person of sound reason MUST take Robert and his blog seriously.
Buraq says
(@ Noname) The rightly guided Mr Spencer has the right to publish what media outlets the world over have published; to wit, that one brain dead product of a vacuous ideology has demonstrated just how daft it is with a laughable fatwa.
You’re a wire-wigged, baggy-trousered, red-nosed clown!
CornHolio says
Don’t you get it, Noname?
This Imam is no doubt absolutely correct in placing a fatwa on Mars on purely Quranic grounds.
That’s what makes it so COMICAL!
But unfortunately this injunction won’t last.
He’s right. There’s no Islamic reason for going there right now. There is no screwing or praying or killing in Allah’s name to be gained from a trip there. It’s “useless and baseless”. Scientific exploration? Them’s Shaitan words, Pilgrim.
But once colonies ARE set up there, and if natural resources are being extracted, and especially if some Martians have last names ending in “berg” or “stein”, then I’m pretty sure a revised fatwa will come down from on high. A “request” for the colony to embrace Islam will be issued, and then when it’s inexplicably refused (can you imagine the effrontery and gall?), well what recourse have they? Forget Jerusalem, MARS is the Al Aqsa Mosque.
Melvin R Laraway says
Persons of sound reason do indeed take Robert and Jihadwatch seriously. So do the fervent practitioners of Islam, who are desperately trying to disparage it because its messages hit so close to home and unveil Islam as the totalitarian cult that it is.
Come to think of it, Muslims should enjoy one – way trips to Mars, since it has limitless deserts and numerous dust storms. However, they would find it difficult to pray facing Mecca five times a day (much of the time it would be on the wrong side of the earth) and goats, sheep, and camels would starve to death.
Maybe they would enjoy Venus more, since it is hotter than Hades (Venus is the hottest planet in our Solar System, due to its proximity to the Sun and its thick “greenhouse gas” atmosphere).
In any case, adios, amigos!
CornHolio says
There is no “Islamic” reason to go to Mars right now for the same reason that there was no Islamic reason to go to Israel prior to the Zionist immigration – there’s nothing there yet.
Nothing to “invite” to Islam.
CogitoErgoSum says
I think if you wish to be a good and true Muslim, you should obey this fatwa (can I use that word?) It makes perfect Islamic sense, doesn’t it? If Allah had wanted human beings on other planets he would have put them there. But I wonder if this goes far enough…….. I would think that flight on airplanes should be forbidden also because if human beings were meant to fly they would have been born with wings. Likewise, travel in cars and trains should be forbidden because human being were given legs for walking and not wheels for rolling. Using one’s God-given brain to overcome these limitations as set by the Creator is simply wrong and sinful and being disobedient, don’t you think? You Muslims should be mindful of the awful doom that awaits you if you think you know better……..because Allah knows best………right?
Demsci says
All new ideas face conservative objections. Dr. Haddad is just being conservative and resistent to new ideas. In time Muslims will realise that when they keep being stubborn like this, they will lose out on perhaps the great success of colonizing Mars. It is said that if Mars would have a similar atmosphere like earth, it then could support all sort of life very well, around it’s equator.
All in all it’s advantageous to infidels, followers of other religions/ lifestyles that the Muslims are discouraged.
Galvin Fox says
Mars is bacon-free, there’s no music or alcohol there either so it would be the perfect place for ALL muslims to go to on a one way trip forever please ffs lol leave the Earth & NEVER COME BACK!!!
Blangwort says
Make all the Fatwa you want. The only ones who will go to Mars are the ones who have nothing but altruistic motives. I doubt you’ll find such behavior among Muslims who take this Fatwa seriously.
Veracious_one says
the quest for knowledge and space exploration is Un-Islamic…
CaoMoo says
What kind of Dumbass would want to go on a “ONE WAY” trip to Mars. Newsflash You gonna die! Do people think there is air and water there?
CaoMoo says
Also this
“People are not permitted to risk their life even if expecting little harm, as forbidden in verse 195/2 of the Holy Quran that says ‘And do not throw (yourselves) with your (own) hands into destruction’, and verse 29/4 ‘And do not kill yourselves (or one another). Indeed, Allah is to you ever Merciful’.”
So by that logic all that Jihad and suicide bombing is perfectly safe fun for the whole family… and so was old mo’s caravan raids maybe they used nerf swords and water guns
Rob Crawford says
Millions took a one-way trip to the New World. Many of them died for lack of food. It’s called a frontier for a reason.
Andrea McGann Little says
The Muslims are so 12th century.
Ahmed Shaaban says
When the Jews put colonies on the Moon and/or Mars then I will lift this Fatwa and begin the Dubai Space Dawah Program to find and smite the necks of those Jews Of Space.
As Allah(the most merciful) created the moon and mars it is an Islamic Waqf and under the control of Islam.
Charles Bolden, Mohammad Elibiary, and Arif Alikhan are in close contact with me regarding Muslims In Space.
It is a known fact these Jews have all these Nobel Prizes in the hard sciences by stealing the research of superior Muslim scientists.
The rocket manufacture and space program in the Gaza Strip is the envy of the world. Our Hamas soldiers of Allah will very soon be opening their first commercial space venture called HSFC – Halal Space Flight Corporation.
You Americans bring NASA outreach to the Middle East and when we learn all we can, take all the money you give, we will throw you Great Satan into the hellfire for all eternity.
In the meantime Dr. Hassan al-Qutb wanted information on where he could purchase solid rocket fuel. Dr. Qutb thought all fuel was liquid and was amazed that Allah would allow someone to change a liquid into a gas, or solid substance. Inshallah HSFC will be as successful as Mohammad’s (PBUH) succession of power instructions after his death.
Ahmed Shaaban
CornHolio says
Your information is WAY off! It’s true that Gazan rockets are being constructed today, but they are not designed to reach the moon or Mars. Not yet anyway. The goal of the current rockets over the last decade has been to reach the nearest Israeli village. Once THAT lofty goal has been reached, then Allah willing ( praising Allah really goes without saying, and frankly makes me wonder why I keep saying it all the time ) the Gazan Rocket Program will move on to attack – I mean EXPLORE! – further destinations.
Currently under development in Gaza is the Buraq 9000, a vehicle capable of getting to Mars and reclaiming that holy sand for Islam from the Jews ( or whomever else gets there first and sets up something worth “reclaiming” ). Allah be praised! This rocket will NOT be powered by the infidel “solid fuel” – a decidedly unIslamic concept (in that I don’t understand it one bit), but rather by clean-burning crude oil. The Buraq will carry 200 brave Muslim astronauts – or I should say – Islamnauts – to the Martian Al Aqsa Mosque where they will all become instant shaheeds, as nobody in the GRP has really worked on LANDING the craft (another kaffir concept), and as navigation has been ruled as an affront to Allah, we envision some problems in “aiming”. But we have faith in Allah! And plenty of volunteers!
After that first expedition, we will naturally be demanding the Right of Return from then on.
Allah be praised.
spamtarget says
You can’t make this stuff up.
Theo Prinse says
The proof that a Supreme Being cannot exist.
Scientific proof or evidence is true when it can be falsified for it exists in infinity, else it is mono causal and finite..
The two major philosophies denying one another are Idealism and Materialism. Religion, superstition, sects etc. are all a smaller part of Idealism. Idealism accepts only faith as the only source of truth (morality) and rejects scientific evidence.
Materialism derives truth (knowledge) from scientific evidence and rejects faith to that end.
Supreme Being(s) cannot exist and – besides the empiric and semantic necessity of a material, physical, tangible character of a proof thereto – with the materiality of such a proof, this described matter can only be ascribed tot the smallest (constant of Planck) and not the largest matter (curving of space).
Furthermore that from the assumed attitude faith there can be no proof derived for the existence of anything whatsoever. Naive simple faith is merely presuming an optimistic attitude whereas religious faith is a construed complex social phantasy.
Moreover, from the concept of natural man and man surrounding infinity follows the necessary existence of the socalled graviton as the material carrier of gravitation beyond the thus far smallest known particle the electron or the tau neutrino.
From these gravitons has – by reasoning – become clear that there are both free gravitons as well as fixed gravitons. Beyond the increasingly smaller realm of gravitons – where there are infinite more smaller particles and forces – there is an infinite increasing ratio between the amount of matter (gravitons and ever smaller particles) and matter being in annihilation. (Smaller level of infinitely smaller particles). This ratio between larger and smaller particles is infinite.
The free gravitons relatively are in a fixed zero motion in space within their frame of reference in relation to the atomic objects like electrons and protons out of which man, planets and stars are formed. The protons of these objects are formed out of electrons and electrons comprised of fixed gravitons. Gravity, and the four other quantum mechanical forces are the consequence of the interaction between free and fixed gravitons. (Unification)
The very existence of these both free and fixed gravitons furthermore necessarily assumes that The human Idea itself is electronic. Ideas are clouds of electrons. Products of the human mind are material particles. Man-interpreted-surrounding-reality consists of continuous new progressing, material tautology (semantic necessity.
Smell, heat, pressure etc. are nothing but colliding frictional particles. Feelings of insult like ‘blasphemy’ is without any exception ever self-inflicted neurological activity and laws against defamation, libel insult without proven material damage and blasphemy must be abolished for they prosecute the messenger.
So, although color, form, pressure, superconductivity etc. can be very relative, even tautologic, in viewing around us, all massive visible objects can be related with extreme scientific precision within the conceptions of space and time, while with Faith – with or without a god – we can relate totally nothing.
The previous mentioned semantic necessity lies herein that besides semantic ideas, man also thinks spatially as well, so without word content, as Roman intellectuals like Lucretius, who, by projection of architectonic constructions got texts of law in their head who in their turn spoke about primitive man who did not yet have a semantic definition of a Supreme Being although they already knew from India of 12.000 year old atheistic semantic premisses.
Semantic thought – in distinction to spatial thought – comprises of exact defined, restricted and prejudiced, so mostly dogmatic, free-thought-indoctrinating contents of Ideas, definitions. (Semantic necessity)
This mentioned semantic necessity in thought simply means that the previous mentioned content ‘micro and macro space’ in the logic context of their infinity – so these large cosmologic and small atomic infinity – and so the identical semantic definition infinity – is imperative above every other content of definition, and so therefore exists above that of the content of the so called definition of a Supreme Being. Semantics dictate finiteness.
There can be no Supreme Being because the material evidence of the (thus far known) outer boundaries of the astrophysical atomic and cosmological spatial definition Infinity – and herewith all inner lying, containing definitions and phenomena, and, as said, that the largest imagination of infinite expanding space is explained with the infinite conceivable smallest, and constituting the largest from the smallest or vice versa mutually semantically deny an intelligible Supreme Being – are described as such by the scientific community in laws of particle ‘attraction’, spin, motion and exclusion, repulsion that herewith no Supreme Being could be interpreted or indicated and that it outside and beyond the continuously expanding spatial boundaries ever again and again lacks of semantic word definition.
The semantic word definition Infinity, simply comprehends more than the semantic word definition Supreme Being.
The definition Supreme Being is therefore secondary and every deducted moral assumption – the moral system of sanctions, with acquiescence, acceptance (of Christians) in/of sects like islam in their revenge towards critique against ‘apostasy of a doctrine of the faith’ – is therefor a strongly construed imaginative fiction. Credulous thought (trust) as inner consent in an invisible and merciful authority is primal. The apparent ‘weaker’ morality of a nonbeliever has been shout down for centuries in brutal domination by the imagined morality of the fading believer ….
—————
Materialism and idealism are the two opposing philosophies mankind has been engaged in for millennia.
Materialism accepts as fact only empirical proof while idealism accepts only faith as truth and rejects scientific proof.
It is not the question whether empirical proof or no proof of the existence or non existence of a supreme being that is important but whether the nature of man and man concerning nature is finite or infinite.
That in the future super intelligence will become common and that beyond the furthest galaxy there will be infinite more galaxies and beyond the smallest thus far know particle there will be infinite much more and smaller particles and infinite empty space between them. When nature is infinite then the meaning of the supreme being becomes secondary.
Most – but not all – materialists ‘believes’ that nature is finite arguing at 0 Kelvin there is no molecular movement suggesting there are no endless smaller particles then the electron.
Religion is one expression of the philosophy of idealism and deals primarily with the moral argumentation surrounding life and death.
The question: what is murder and when is death legitimate ? Decisions in these matters are important in order to end social chaos.
Moral argumentation regarding matters of live and death is an inalienable intellectual ability of every individual given by nature.
This ability to have moral opinions cannot be defined or proven by science.
But this does not mean that morality exclusively belongs to the realm of the idealist religion.
The intellectual institutional elite of the Jewish and Christian religion all have tried to monopolize the ability to have moral opinions by every individual given by nature. The Christian elite even went as far as supersessionism, fulfillment theology, and replacement theology.
Islam is not a religious set of moral believes because it is littered with callings to murder all Christians, jews and apostates. Islam is a terrorist military doctrine disguised as a Abrahamite religion.
———————
European atheists – in denial of the existence of one or more supreme being(s) – were also cultivated by national organic and national socialist reactionary circles around Krupp-Flick etc. bourgeoisies – who contributed to the anti-Semite Holocaust and many more atrocities in two World Wars all the way up to 500 dr. Mengele’s in the CIA project MKULTRA after 1950 leading to pornographic and narcotic postmodernism (nothing is true equals to a Faith without a god) among liberal institutions in the US and social-democratic academies in Western Europe.
This European atheist nihilism in the 21st century is exploited by criminal circles within the US political elite by the deceased ex cia agent conservative William Frank Buckley, Jr, Polish-US Zbigniew Brzezinski, Henry Kissinger, George P Shultz, Michael Ledeen, Richard Perle, Madelyn Albright, Paul Wolfowitz etc, etc. and their CIA to betray western oriented secular people in the Arab and Asiatic countries to the murderous Islamic dictatorship. The American Christian society is unable to resist for their faith in one nation under god …
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Neo…
Contemporary, nihilistic cultural-relativism – which developed out of post-modern thought – is – in contrast to it’s interpretation by ‘historians’ – in it’s non-realism non-cognitive, unreal, not-knowable, unaware, not able to recognize reactionary stealth and kinetic Jihad and Islam insinuation for Sharia in the Free world. But all this is not to be confused with semantic tautology (Noah Chomsky, William F. Buckley, James Burnham).
In the US Christian intellectuals (instead post-modernism) have perfectly understood that not American atheists are their primary opponent, but philosophical Materialism in its opposition to Idealism underlying their Christian faith.
Christian intellectuals have vulgarized philosophical Materialism into Big Mac mass consumerism, money talks etc. insinuating atheists into idealistically BELIEVE that god does not exist and to deny atheist view of nature to contribute to science and innovation and venture capitalism.
American Christian philosophy created the situation into which conservatism became cultural conservatism since the 1950ties and have the American atheists driven in the camp with the democrats to ‘outreach’ for the Muslim Brotherhood under the auspices of the CIA
Theo Prinse says
The proof that a Supreme Being cannot exist.
Scientific proof or evidence is true when it can be falsified for it exists in infinity, else it is mono causal and finite..
The two major philosophies denying one another are Idealism and Materialism. Religion, superstition, sects etc. are all a smaller part of Idealism. Idealism accepts only faith as the only source of truth (morality) and rejects scientific evidence.
Materialism derives truth (knowledge) from scientific evidence and rejects faith to that end.
Supreme Being(s) cannot exist and – besides the empiric and semantic necessity of a material, physical, tangible character of a proof thereto – with the materiality of such a proof, this described matter can only be ascribed tot the smallest (constant of Planck) and not the largest matter (curving of space).
Furthermore that from the assumed attitude faith there can be no proof derived for the existence of anything whatsoever. Naive simple faith is merely presuming an optimistic attitude whereas religious faith is a construed complex social phantasy.
Moreover, from the concept of natural man and man surrounding infinity follows the necessary existence of the socalled graviton as the material carrier of gravitation beyond the thus far smallest known particle the electron or the tau neutrino.
From these gravitons has – by reasoning – become clear that there are both free gravitons as well as fixed gravitons. Beyond the increasingly smaller realm of gravitons – where there are infinite more smaller particles and forces – there is an infinite increasing ratio between the amount of matter (gravitons and ever smaller particles) and matter being in annihilation. (Smaller level of infinitely smaller particles). This ratio between larger and smaller particles is infinite.
The free gravitons relatively are in a fixed zero motion in space within their frame of reference in relation to the atomic objects like electrons and protons out of which man, planets and stars are formed. The protons of these objects are formed out of electrons and electrons comprised of fixed gravitons. Gravity, and the four other quantum mechanical forces are the consequence of the interaction between free and fixed gravitons. (Unification)
The very existence of these both free and fixed gravitons furthermore necessarily assumes that The human Idea itself is electronic. Ideas are clouds of electrons. Products of the human mind are material particles. Man-interpreted-surrounding-reality consists of continuous new progressing, material tautology (semantic necessity.
Smell, heat, pressure etc. are nothing but colliding frictional particles. Feelings of insult like ‘blasphemy’ is without any exception ever self-inflicted neurological activity and laws against defamation, libel insult without proven material damage and blasphemy must be abolished for they prosecute the messenger.
So, although color, form, pressure, superconductivity etc. can be very relative, even tautologic, in viewing around us, all massive visible objects can be related with extreme scientific precision within the conceptions of space and time, while with Faith – with or without a god – we can relate totally nothing.
The previous mentioned semantic necessity lies herein that besides semantic ideas, man also thinks spatially as well, so without word content, as Roman intellectuals like Lucretius, who, by projection of architectonic constructions got texts of law in their head who in their turn spoke about primitive man who did not yet have a semantic definition of a Supreme Being although they already knew from India of 12.000 year old atheistic semantic premisses.
Semantic thought – in distinction to spatial thought – comprises of exact defined, restricted and prejudiced, so mostly dogmatic, free-thought-indoctrinating contents of Ideas, definitions. (Semantic necessity)
This mentioned semantic necessity in thought simply means that the previous mentioned content ‘micro and macro space’ in the logic context of their infinity – so these large cosmologic and small atomic infinity – and so the identical semantic definition infinity – is imperative above every other content of definition, and so therefore exists above that of the content of the so called definition of a Supreme Being. Semantics dictate finiteness.
There can be no Supreme Being because the material evidence of the (thus far known) outer boundaries of the astrophysical atomic and cosmological spatial definition Infinity – and herewith all inner lying, containing definitions and phenomena, and, as said, that the largest imagination of infinite expanding space is explained with the infinite conceivable smallest, and constituting the largest from the smallest or vice versa mutually semantically deny an intelligible Supreme Being – are described as such by the scientific community in laws of particle ‘attraction’, spin, motion and exclusion, repulsion that herewith no Supreme Being could be interpreted or indicated and that it outside and beyond the continuously expanding spatial boundaries ever again and again lacks of semantic word definition.
The semantic word definition Infinity, simply comprehends more than the semantic word definition Supreme Being.
The definition Supreme Being is therefore secondary and every deducted moral assumption – the moral system of sanctions, with acquiescence, acceptance (of Christians) in/of sects like islam in their revenge towards critique against ‘apostasy of a doctrine of the faith’ – is therefor a strongly construed imaginative fiction. Credulous thought (trust) as inner consent in an invisible and merciful authority is primal. The apparent ‘weaker’ morality of a nonbeliever has been shout down for centuries in brutal domination by the imagined morality of the fading believer ….
—————
Materialism and idealism are the two opposing philosophies mankind has been engaged in for millennia.
Materialism accepts as fact only empirical proof while idealism accepts only faith as truth and rejects scientific proof.
It is not the question whether empirical proof or no proof of the existence or non existence of a supreme being that is important but whether the nature of man and man concerning nature is finite or infinite.
That in the future super intelligence will become common and that beyond the furthest galaxy there will be infinite more galaxies and beyond the smallest thus far know particle there will be infinite much more and smaller particles and infinite empty space between them. When nature is infinite then the meaning of the supreme being becomes secondary.
Most – but not all – materialists ‘believes’ that nature is finite arguing at 0 Kelvin there is no molecular movement suggesting there are no endless smaller particles then the electron.
Religion is one expression of the philosophy of idealism and deals primarily with the moral argumentation surrounding life and death.
The question: what is murder and when is death legitimate ? Decisions in these matters are important in order to end social chaos.
Moral argumentation regarding matters of live and death is an inalienable intellectual ability of every individual given by nature.
This ability to have moral opinions cannot be defined or proven by science.
But this does not mean that morality exclusively belongs to the realm of the idealist religion.
The intellectual institutional elite of the Jewish and Christian religion all have tried to monopolize the ability to have moral opinions by every individual given by nature. The Christian elite even went as far as supersessionism, fulfillment theology, and replacement theology.
Islam is not a religious set of moral believes because it is littered with callings to murder all Christians, jews and apostates. Islam is a terrorist military doctrine disguised as a Abrahamite religion.
———————
European atheists – in denial of the existence of one or more supreme being(s) – were also cultivated by national organic and national socialist reactionary circles around Krupp-Flick etc. bourgeoisies – who contributed to the anti-Semite Holocaust and many more atrocities in two World Wars all the way up to 500 dr. Mengele’s in the CIA project MKULTRA after 1950 leading to pornographic and narcotic postmodernism (nothing is true equals to a Faith without a god) among liberal institutions in the US and social-democratic academies in Western Europe.
This European atheist nihilism in the 21st century is exploited by criminal circles within the US political elite by the deceased ex cia agent conservative William Frank Buckley, Jr, Polish-US Zbigniew Brzezinski, Henry Kissinger, George P Shultz, Michael Ledeen, Richard Perle, Madelyn Albright, Paul Wolfowitz etc, etc. and their CIA to betray western oriented secular people in the Arab and Asiatic countries to the murderous Islamic dictatorship. The American Christian society is unable to resist for their faith in one nation under god …
Contemporary, nihilistic cultural-relativism – which developed out of post-modern thought – is – in contrast to it’s interpretation by ‘historians’ – in it’s non-realism non-cognitive, unreal, not-knowable, unaware, not able to recognize reactionary stealth and kinetic Jihad and Islam insinuation for Sharia in the Free world. But all this is not to be confused with semantic tautology (Noah Chomsky, William F. Buckley, James Burnham).
In the US Christian intellectuals (instead post-modernism) have perfectly understood that not American atheists are their primary opponent, but philosophical Materialism in its opposition to Idealism underlying their Christian faith.
Christian intellectuals have vulgarized philosophical Materialism into Big Mac mass consumerism, money talks etc. insinuating atheists into idealistically BELIEVE that god does not exist and to deny atheist view of nature to contribute to science and innovation and venture capitalism.
American Christian philosophy created the situation into which conservatism became cultural conservatism since the 1950ties and have the American atheists driven in the camp with the democrats to ‘outreach’ for the Muslim Brotherhood under the auspices of the CIA
Theo Prinse says
My apologies for the duplicate
CornHolio says
Supreme beings cannot exist due to the absence of tangible proof? So then can alien civilizations NOT exist, due to the same limitation? Are those who “believe the probability is high” that aliens exist, deluded “faith” types?
Gravitons are theoretical constructs. You faith in theme does not prove their existence. I prefer the warped space theory of gravitation.
“libel insult without proven material damage and blasphemy must be abolished for they prosecute the messenger.”
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So if I spread a horrible libelous story about your deceased mother, you would not prosecute me, since the libelous insult has not proven material damage?
CogitoErgoSum says
Theo, I’m going to have to admit that I do not understand what you are talking about but the words you use and the way you have arranged them sound quite impressive. Superstring theory posits that that there could be as many as eleven dimensions to our universe and that there could be other universes existing alongside our own universe within something called “The Bulk.” Findings that our universe is actually expanding at a faster and faster rate indicates there may be something outside our own universe acting upon it that is causing this. Now, for every question that is answered about our universe numerous others arise. Even if you were to tell me scientifically what caused the creation of our universe or the “Big Bang” I would always be able to ask you, “And what caused that? ” It could go on like that ad infintum. God transcends time and space, this universe, other universes, the “Big Bang” and the “The Bulk.” My theory is that you will never be able to prove that God does not exist.
Theo Prinse says
CogitoErgoSum
Kind of you to respond to my comment. You bring up the expansion of our known universe among other thesis. It was Georges Lemaître a Belgian priest, astronomer and professor of physics at the Université catholique de Louvain and later the American astronomer Hubble who came up with the concept of an expanding universe. It was caused by the red shift. The red shift is a phenomena that asumes photons to change their wavelength from visible white to ultra violet (blue) or infra red when the star from which they eminate is moving either towards or away from the observer.
The question here is whether photons comprising light can be manipulated in its speed of 1 billion kilometers ?
Light is manipulated when closely passing a star or when it is absorbed in the material body of a black hole.
So the question is when an astronaut is standing on a spaceship traveling at the speed of light whether lightphotons from this flashlight also traveling with the speed of light will either stay around the flashlight or travel twice the speed of light ??
If light photons simply hang around then the Lemaitre-Hubble thesis is wrong and when lightphotons travel twice the speed of light Einstein is wrong.
Again: either the nature of man and man surrounding nature is finite or infinite. When nature is infinte, then a supreme being becomes secondary.
Hereunder some more thoughts on the physics of matter.
Gravity
The universe and the tiniest particles are infinite in size. After the smallest particle, and the intermediate empty space there are infinite smaller particles and intermediate empty space.
Gravity or gravity is – like everything else – caused by particles. Particles consist of a smaller particle that rotates around a particle in the core or in which the particle is composed of two or more particles in an infinite attraction to each other in a circle. The revolving speed of the particle(s) is equal to the speed of light or greater. An elliptical rotation is – due to the great speed and the three-dimensional rotation – equal to a circular sphere.
An atom consists of a core of one or more protons and neutrons, and one or more electrons in one or more orbits around this core (nucli).
The outer electron(s) forms the dimension of this atom.
The (structure of the) atom formed by the outer electron(s) is 100,000 times greater than a proton and the proton is 2000 times larger than the electron
The particles responsible for the gravitation are called gravitons.
The force of gravity is caused or mitigated through particles.
These (free) gravitons are either relatively motionless in vacuum space. Or gravitons are fixed in a position within matter while f.i. (the mass of) the Earth flies through this vacuum sea of gravitons with 80.000 km/h. Gravitons are probably at least 10 powers smaller than the thus far known smallest particle, the electron or tau-neutrino.
Photons arise from electrons, protons, or collisions between these particles. The photons are particles with an infinitely small mass and have within an electron or proton, forms a rotational orbit. This spherical vector within the electron or proton is continued outside the elekron proton or in the form of a spiral-shaped undulating motion.
The wave motion of photons (and possibly electrons in an electromagnetic field, such as around the earth), is infinitely of exactly the same frequency as each photon (and electron) exists together with many billions and because of its almost totally same size mutually attract and repulse each other exactly the same by which their joint frequency is maintained infinitely and precise.
The classically assumed repulsion does not exist. Only attraction of electrons and protons and electrons with electrons and protons with protons exist. The subjective repulsion is actually a near miss attraction of two electrons and two protons whose pairs have nearly equal masses and narrowly miss each other constantly in the process of attraction. The merely attraction of electrons or protons and electrons with electrons and protons with protons is due to the interaction between the free gravitons outside and the bound gravitons inside electrons and protons.
The helical photon wave has a wavelength ranging from one picometer (gamma rays) to 100,000 kilometers. The number of wavelengths per unit of time is the frequency. The frequency of photons begins at relatively low infra-red, ultra-violet visible light to gamma radiation up to the very extremely high frequency of the Planck’s constant. The red or blue color of the infrared or ultraviolet light is merely a sensation in the human eye. Above the lowest infrared photon the scale of wavelengths of radio waves, electric currents, etc., of electrons begins.
The interstellar magnetic field measures apox a nanoTesla, or about one-fifty thousandth of the Earth’s field and reaches between star systems.
Again, the spatial dimensions in both the direction of the smallest particles and vice versa in the direction of ever increasing larger objects is infinite …
For the moment it is assumed that fixed gravitons within and free gravitons outside electrons, protons, molecules etc. comprises all forms of matter from stars or larger to electrons or smaller.
Again: For reason of simplicity it is understood that protons (mass 938.2 Mev), neutrons (massa 939.5 Mev), electrons (mass 0.5 Mev), neutrino’s (mass 0), photons (mass 0) and all yet to be discovered particles that exists infinitely are comprised of free or fixed gravitons.
Quasi particles like kaons, pions, muons, quarks, Higgs particle exists only for a 10 or 100 billionths of one second and come from shelling of a proton and are no real particles but imprint of the collapsing proton composed by an extremely smaller particle(s) cycling inside the proton.
Through the process of ‘repression‘ within electrons and protons culminating in molecules, planets, stars etc… gravitons – as a collective – are forced in a motion of local orientation which carries an increasing stronger force (gravitation) on the local particles like electrons, protons etc. This action of repression (gravity) relates in an order like that of ever faster spinning cargo wheels embedded in a load-bed of a cargo plane.
These gravitons – in accordance with the spherical shape of particles – always strive towards an absolute spherical field around electrons, protons, stars etc..
Gravitons settle evenly, linear in their local field among each other. Photons are – say – a billion times larger than gravitons within their own respective sub-sub atomic field around electrons, protons, stars in initially massive streams extending from their respective center and equable where and while each one of them remain in their (relatively) fixed place in space.
Gravitons (gravitional systems) eminate from and stretches extremely far beyond the center of any electron, proton, star etc.
The mutual, smoothly, even settling between gravitons ignores the abrupt ending of the material surface of a particle, planet, star etc. where the even settling transfers into vacuum space or (the low mass of) any atmosphere. Gravitation or rather the even settling process ignores the shift from matter to vacuum. Gravitation does not occur suddenly much less … f.i. 1 cm above the Earth surface but evenly at 1 cm above the surface or in a hole miles under the surface.
I. Primary gravitation of stars, planets, moons, spaceships etc.
The gravitons are present in and – without significant crossing also – outside any object. But the gravitons f.i. of the Earth field of evenly settling both inside as outside the Earth itself have no effect on the Earth because they liquidate one another on all sides. But a spacecraft flies left or right, up front or behind it in that field of even-settling around the Earth and crashes in that respective direction on the Earth. The spacecraft also has a gravitational field of its very own but again the craft isn’t effected by its own field whatsoever..
II. Secondary gravitation. Deviation. (Tertiary G = lever)
In the gravitons f.i. of the Earth even-settling field there are besides these immediate degrees of gravitational force of itself also a degree of deviation of force caused by the even settling field or force of attraction of the Sun. But although this secondary force is very minimal relatively to the primary force, this secondary deviation is within the gravitons inside the Earth precisely the cause of the motion of the Earth and ditto her Moon in their shared orbit around the Sun
So gravitons in fields of even settling effect the gravitons of other fields, but always in a minimal degree. Gravitons in particles or stars contain thus unlimited minimal deviation of neighboring fields.
A satellite around the Earth reacts only on the secondary deviation of force as a result of the even settling field of the Earth on the gravitons within the protons of the satellite. .
III. Gravitation of electrons and protons.
Electrons like protons have also fields of even settling of gravitons like planets. The force in which a small magnet falls towards the table in comparison with the force in which that magnet attracts a coin upwards from the table seems different forces but it isn’t .
Electrons are pulled around its proton through the deviation in the gravitons within the electron, which deviation is caused by the field of even settling of the proton. The gravitons of the field of even settling of the electron in and outside itself have again no effect on the electron itself.
IV. Three electrical forces in a gravitational perspective
1. An electron combines two protons in a molecule when in outer orbit around one proton it places itself in a shared empty space in both protons their outer orbit.
2. Electrons constitute an electrical current in metal with little electrical properties by jumping from one proton to the next and occupy the shortly before liberated place by an electron that just jumped away.
3. Electrons are part of an electric current in metal with high electrical properties (magnet) in which the electrons at the far end escape and circle to the other outer end …. on the outside.
http://www.irm.umn.edu/hg2m/hg2m.pdf
Ad 3.
Electric currents between a magnet and a non magnetic metal attracts were the expelled electrons of the magnet circle around the protons of the non magnetic metal and return back again and again. Electrical currents between two magnets can be both attractive as repulsive. The attraction is as above. The repulsion is the failed attraction of electrons flying into each other and than catapulting one another at equal poles of magnets.
V. Free electrons
Free electrons which – whether or not propagated – fly away from metal preserve in free space more or less the spiraling wave movement which they had when in orbit around protons because they – once free – remain locked into that spiral motion by the fields of even settling of surrounding electrons which spiral in exactly the same way and the even but minimal degree in which they deliver one another their mutual equivalent deviation. If an electron changes in position relative to an other, it causes a deviation in the normal field of even settling of that electron by the neighboring electrons vice versa and corrects one another al the time in the same relative position
In the same way are free electrons at great distances from and or around magnets or the core of the Earth copied in their specific field-waves by means of imposition of their original orbit/wave through their protons beginning from the outer edge of the material from which the electrons originate and so on outward.
With kind regards
Theo Prinse
CogitoErgoSum says
Theo, as I stated previously, I really do not understand most of what you are saying and as far as I know nobody yet understands how gravity really works……and if someone did I don’t see how that would be proof that God does not exist. I’m not a scientist but I enjoy learning new things about the universe and attempting to understand how we fit into it. I sometimes wonder if the universe would even exist if there were not some form of consciousness in the universe to know that the universe exists. When I start thinking that way I then start to wonder about God and whether He could exist and if there was nothing else other than God Himself that knew of His existence, would He exist. I suppose He could exist simply on His own but mere existence seems pointless to me. This all becomes extremely complicated the more I think about it and I always end up thinking in the end that either the universe or God needs us as much as we need the universe or God…….and then I always end up believing that since I exist and the universe exists, God exists also……. because I do not see any other way that the universe could exist without some first cause. Something could not simply spring forth from nothing. There has to be a prime cause and that is what I call God. Then the question arises of how do I relate to God and the other things in the universe….. which then becomes a matter of religion………and then things become really complicated. I prefer to think of God as a creator and not a destroyer and I would like to be as much like Him as possible. So I prefer to be a creator and not a destroyer also……especially of the other creatures God made to share existence with Him. So here I am and here you are wondering about it all. Isn’t it amazing? My kindest regards and best wishes to you also.
Daphdong says
It would seem to me that Christians would welcome going to Mars, I certainly would, if only to leave these Islamic Imans and their barbaric nonsense behind. Perhaps many females also would like to go their for the same reason!
Dennis Trisker says
I still don’t understand why anyone would give up their own thinking and decision making to any religious specialist be it Rabbi, Imam, Priest or pastor. Can’t people think for themselves? Why do they accept the authority of any book be it Quran, Bible,Bhagavad Gita, etc. ? It seems that the greatest fear people have is to be free and to come to their own conclusions. Let these people issue their ridiculous fatwas. You don’t have to accept them anymore then a Christian or Jew must accept the equally ridiculous statements of his church or synagogue.
Defcon 4 says
Ye another argument of false equivalence. Preachers, pastors and priests don’t issue fatwahs fool.
Itinerant says
‘And do not kill yourselves (or one another). Indeed, Allah is to you ever Merciful’.””
Unless you insult the prophet,insult Islam,commit adultery,are gay,are an apostate etc etc etc and let’s not even get into Jihad.
Islam the religion of hypocrisy,violence,lies and contradiction.
gravenimage says
The move has been declared as prohibited in Islam, and is a kind of annihilation for not a single rational benefit or Shariah-compliant reason.
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And what *would* constitute a “Shari’ah-compliant reason”?
I believe a couple of posters nailed it:
CornHolio wrote:
There is no “Islamic” reason to go to Mars right now for the same reason that there was no Islamic reason to go to Israel prior to the Zionist immigration – there’s nothing there yet.
Nothing to “invite” to Islam.
Ahmed Shaaban (who I believe is probably writing from the point of view of a pious Mohammedan, rather than actually being one himself) wrote:
When the Jews put colonies on the Moon and/or Mars then I will lift this Fatwa and begin the Dubai Space Dawah Program to find and smite the necks of those Jews Of Space.
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Yup—if this trip turns out to be successful (it does seem a bit iffy, but that is not really the main point unless one is personally thinking of signing up), then Muslims will be clamoring to go, and will consider it “Islamophobic” if Infidels don’t sponsor pious Muslims’ efforts to extend Jihad, Shari’ah, and dreams of the Caliphate to the “final frontier”.