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UK: Judge tells jihad murderers of soldier that they betrayed Islam; they start screaming “Allahu akbar” and fighting prison guards

Feb 26, 2014 1:13 pm By Robert Spencer

The Imam Sweeney told them: “You each converted to Islam some years ago. Thereafter you were radicalised and each became an extremist, espousing views which, as has been said elsewhere, are a betrayal of Islam.” This enraged them, and they began a fight in the courtroom. It would have been interesting to see Mufti Sweeney explain what exactly was a betrayal of Islam in the actions of Mujaahid Abu Hamza and Ismail ibn Abdullah, aka Adebolajo and Adebowale. Right after the murder, Mujaahid Abu Hamza invoked the Qur’an and made specific reference to the Islamic doctrine that one must fight against those who fight against Islam.

The Qur’an says, “Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors” (2:190). That “do not transgress” has often been interpreted by Islamic scholars as meaning, do not begin hostilities. I.e., this verse is a foundation for defensive jihad. But in this case, as the killer himself made clear, he believed that the soldier was fighting Muslims in Islamic lands — Iraq and Afghanistan. So the soldier was already fighting Muslims, and the killer would have thought that he was not “transgressing” by therefore fighting “in the way of Allah those who fight you” — i.e., the Muslims.

And how is one to fight them? “And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers” (2:191). “Kill them wherever you overtake them” — even on, say, a street in Woolwich.

Until British (and American) authorities come to grips with the fact that there is ample Islamic justification for such murders, and stop playing games with their Let’s Play Pretend version of Islam, there will be many more such killings.

“Scuffle breaks out as defendants told they betray Islam,” from ITV, February 26:

The struggle in the dock at the Old Bailey was triggered when Adebolajo and Adebowale – both wearing Islamic robes – reacted angrily to comments that Mr Justice Sweeney made about their extremist beliefs.

He told them: “You each converted to Islam some years ago. Thereafter you were radicalised and each became an extremist, espousing views which, as has been said elsewhere, are a betrayal of Islam.”

Adebowale protested that this was a lie, ranting about America and Britain, and his accomplice joined in, screaming “allahu akbar” and hurling abuse at the prison guards who grappled him to the ground.

Both men were grabbed around the face as guards struggled to control them, and taken down to the cells.The soldier’s family were visibly distressed, and one relative needed medical treatment.

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  1. CogitoErgoSum says

    Feb 26, 2014 at 1:32 pm

    One of these days the light bulb will come on in people’s heads and they will finally get it. It’s the not the judge but the two prisoners who actually know what they are talking about.

    • veggiedog says

      Feb 27, 2014 at 10:43 am

      Hard when that bulb is burnt out. People do not want to know, or believe.

  2. Diane Harvey says

    Feb 26, 2014 at 1:35 pm

    Do these elites take lessons in stupidity?

    This judge “knows” when Islam is being betrayed?

    All of this is getting breath-taking.

    • Kepha says

      Feb 27, 2014 at 5:36 am

      @Diane Harvey:

      Speaking as a professional swindler of the young–oops, public high school social studies teacher–the answer to your question is a resounding YES! And, I regret to say, that since I prefer to retain my job, I go along with the curriculum and tell the kiddies that Islam is a nice, tolerant religion and Ummayad Spain was a wonderful time of interconfessional dialogue and cooperation [NOT, whispered under my breath]. I tell them that such utter fools, wooly-minded nincompoops, and vicious nonentities as Jean-Jacques Rousseu ‘enlightened” society. I put up with other classes obediently telling them that the serial predator Harvey Milk was a brave pioneer of a more “open” society.

      Judge Sweeney is not a bigger or better man than the rest of Great Britain. He simply jumped through the right hoops and became a man of the law who reached one of the heights of his profession. However, he is representative of the sort of mind that a couple generations of schooling (as opposed to education–the “leading out” of the person) intended to produce: confident that he is the Greek and the other guy is the barbarian; sure that we are living in the wisest and best of times; certain that the vision of a bunch of tortured neurotics and malcontents from the early 20th century is the way to a brave, bright future.

      The fear of the LORD is the beginnin of wisdom, says the Book of Proverbs. Well, we live in a society that has cut wisdom off at the root, so we should not be surprised that we have a band of fools, knaves, and cads governing us.

  3. tpellow says

    Feb 26, 2014 at 1:41 pm

    Much of the British (and West’s) political class are still in denial about the Islamic jihad nature of this horrific murder of Lee Rigby.

  4. Charli Main says

    Feb 26, 2014 at 1:47 pm

    No, this Muslim vermin haven´t betrayed Islam, Judge Sweeney.
    They have exactly followed and obeyed the instructions given to them in the Koran. These are good Muslims killing infidels, like you Judge Sweeney.
    Take the time to read the Koran before you express an opinion on its contents.

    • CaoMoo says

      Feb 26, 2014 at 9:01 pm

      Yes they are the ones Mohammed would have been proud of. He said the bad muslims were the ones who refused to fight.

      • Dubi says

        Feb 27, 2014 at 7:26 am

        He would not be proud as he hated blacks and called them “raison heads”!

    • Charles M says

      Feb 27, 2014 at 12:39 am

      By that same token shooting your neighbor for mowing his lawn on Sunday, is not betraying christian principles but obeying the instructions laid out in Exodus
      http://biblehub.com/exodus/35-2.htm

      • Christopher says

        Feb 27, 2014 at 2:37 am

        The entire exercise of getting life-instructions from a ‘holy book’ is an incoherent and frankly mentally unstable process. I know Robert is a Christian, but really I believe all religious people make the same fundamental mistake which leads to all the other nonsense: they accept the HUGE claim that their book is the ‘word of god’ based on insufficient evidence. For a claim like that, the evidence would have to be literally ground-shaking. I would need to see verifiable angelic visitation etc. Anyway this is basic and not the point I wanted to make. The point is that yes, there are stupid and brutal instructions like this in the OT, but the nature of the central character is important. Jesus did not kill a single person. Mohammad killed plenty, and enslaved plenty more. And the quantity of calls to violence are far greater in the Qu’ran.

        I mean truthfully, yes, I think Christians who do not execute people for working on Sunday are not being true Christians. But then I think the entire concept of being a ‘religious’ person is a joke. I’d rather face the true nature of reality than delude myself with fairytales.

        • JIMJFOX says

          Feb 27, 2014 at 6:22 am

          I’m with you Christopher [in spite of your unfortunate name!].

          I wrote to Robert expressing my support but pointing out that espousing Christian values and virtues is giving Islam a big fat target; that the Bible /Torah were the foundations of Islam and many of the violent and deadly koranic verses are inspired by these appalling books.

          There’s no denying the hypocrisy in claiming “My god is better than yours” and whilst I find it a pity, I have to accept the lesser of two evils.

          Still struggling with making a donation, for this reason.

        • voegelinian says

          Feb 27, 2014 at 10:17 pm

          More Equivalencists, I see. They really are becoming noticeably more common in Jihad Watch comments in the last couple of months. While the “Big Tent” idea is a good one generally speaking, it shouldn’t irrationally limit the need for quality control. There are certain types of individual who should not be part of the Counter Jihad — neo-Nazis, for example.

          And Equivalencists.

      • Defcon 4 says

        Feb 27, 2014 at 3:25 am

        Argument by false equivalence noted. When was the last time anyone Jewish or Christian murdered anyone for violating the sabbath (on Sunday or Saturday)?

        • thomas_h says

          Feb 27, 2014 at 12:25 pm

          @JimJFox,

          “Still struggling with making a donation, for this reason.”

          Have you considered taking your donation and shoving it? Or you’re “still struggling with” it?
          If so, don’t. I’m sure R. Spencer won’t mind too much. But of course, you are free to ask him.

      • Bigland says

        Feb 28, 2014 at 2:07 am

        Those aren’t instructions for Christians, but for the people of Israel. Christians haven’t kept the Jewish Sabbath holy for some centuries now.

        And no, they don’t kill others in their community for violating this law for one major reason: As far as they’re concerned, the penalty for sin has already been paid.

      • gravenimage says

        Feb 28, 2014 at 9:20 pm

        Charles M wrote:

        By that same token shooting your neighbor for mowing his lawn on Sunday, is not betraying christian principles but obeying the instructions laid out in Exodus
        ………………………..

        My God, what idiocy.

        Name a single case where any Christian—or Jew—has ever done such a thing.

        Whereas, Muslims are butchering Infidels and the “insufficiently Islamic” worldwide on virtually a daily basis—and all on the basis of the texts and tenets of Islam—including the savage murder of Lee Rigby here.

        Witless moral equivalence.

  5. Val Mikesell says

    Feb 26, 2014 at 1:48 pm

    What unbelievable blindness and stupidity on the part of the judge. He simply just doesn’t get it.

  6. Salah says

    Feb 26, 2014 at 2:04 pm

    “Thereafter you were radicalised and each became an extremist, espousing views which, as has been said elsewhere, are a betrayal of Islam.”

    Notice that he said: “as has been said elsewhere”

    This judge is implying that he is too stupid and too ignorant to make his own judgement, instead, he is simply repeating what “has been said elsewhere” (i.e. the MSM)!!!

    • mortimer says

      Feb 26, 2014 at 2:26 pm

      Judge Sweeney did not check his ‘facts’, but relied on blather he heard.

      • pdxnag says

        Feb 26, 2014 at 3:13 pm

        It is like Judge Sweeney took “judicial notice” of something so widely and generally understood that there could be no reasonable disagreement. (It is a perfect opposite here of the truth.)

  7. Jamie Morton says

    Feb 26, 2014 at 2:09 pm

    does no one know they are at war with us ffs

  8. Andy Miller says

    Feb 26, 2014 at 2:23 pm

    They didn’t betray Islam. That’s the problem.

  9. Henry says

    Feb 26, 2014 at 2:23 pm

    Betrayal of Islam? Did they read the same Qur’an as David Cameron?

    • Bill says

      Feb 26, 2014 at 8:13 pm

      No, I believe the judge’s Qur’an was the Charles Windsor and Tony Blair’s version (also known as the Kumbayah Qur’an). This abridged version is missing the later Medina suras and excluding such classic verses such as 9:5, 9:29 and 5:33.

  10. mortimer says

    Feb 26, 2014 at 2:23 pm

    LAZY JUDGE. PRESUMPTUOUS JUDGE. UNLEARNED JUDGE.

    Judge Sweeney has not done his homework on Islam. He has blurted off the top of his head something he vaguely remembered. “Oh, yes, my, my, that’ll sound good!”

    But it sounded UNINFORMED to anyone with a knowledge of Sharia. It’s dead wrong. THERE IS NO PUNISHMENT FOR KILLING A BLASPHEMER and an enemy of Islam may be killed by any Muslim without a fatwa or order to do so. Islam DOES permit VIGILANTES and says they are rewarded by Allah for doing so.

    In 1992, Islamist militants gunned down Egyptian secularist, Farag Foda . Before his death, he had been declared an apostate and foe of Islam. During the murder trial of the murderers, Al Azhar scholar Muhammad al-Ghazali testified that when the state fails to punish apostates, somebody else has to do it.

    Judge Sweeney needs to read the manual of Sharia law and open his eyes to the HIDEOUS, HORRIBLE reality of that DRACONIAN code of law!

  11. tpellow says

    Feb 26, 2014 at 2:55 pm

    In this ‘Guardian’ report, note how the murderers’ motivation is misleadingly described as “al Qaeda ideology of violence,” not as what it truly is: ‘the Islamic jihad violence derived from the ideology of tenets of Islam’-

    “Michael Adebolajo gets whole-life jail term for Lee Rigby murder.
    Michael Adebowale is given 45-year minimum term, after sentencing is interrupted by violent scuffle in dock”

    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/feb/26/lee-rigby-killers-michael-adebolajo-adebowale-whole-life-ruling

    There seems to be no judicial excusew for the younger Muslim jihadist murderer (re-naming himself, Ismail Bin Abdullah by Islamic conversion) to get a lesser sentence, as he joined in the ‘enthusiastic’ jihad hacking of Lee Rigby to death.

  12. Richard Childress says

    Feb 26, 2014 at 3:01 pm

    Hilarious. What makes this clown an expert on Islam?

  13. Thomas says

    Feb 26, 2014 at 3:02 pm

    Those two did just what Islam told them to do.

  14. pdxnag says

    Feb 26, 2014 at 3:06 pm

    Surely there must be an appropriate Monty Python skit to match this absurdity?

    Let the judge formally call them non-Muslims and order an end to all accommodations related to Islamic prayer times and halal food etc., ad infinitum.

  15. mariam rove says

    Feb 26, 2014 at 4:27 pm

    Islam is betraying the humanity every other minute. M

  16. inquisador says

    Feb 26, 2014 at 4:29 pm

    This judge is sentencing the defendants for the crime of being good muslims (doing the bidding of allah and mohamed).

    He covers this up by pretending that they are bad muslims, but offers no reasoning or evidence to support his claim.

    Understandably, the perps are a bit miffed by this ignorance, and express their displeasure.

    The judge owes them an apology. He is a racist islamophobe; misrepresenting the faith of millions of devout muslims.

  17. PJG says

    Feb 26, 2014 at 4:38 pm

    The judge and the entire establishment can spout forth unbelievably ignorant (or pretending to be ignorant) stuff, but you can be sure they will get Islam absolutely correct when it comes to jailhouse entitlements for these two pious jihadists.

  18. Gary Woods says

    Feb 26, 2014 at 4:56 pm

    Amazing how islam and the Quran seem to attract those predisposed to violence and have a issue with Mental Illness .

  19. Peter Buckley says

    Feb 26, 2014 at 5:19 pm

    So the judge thinks this is a “betrayal” of Islam, just like Cameron before him. I wasn’t aware that our judges were now theologians as well.
    People can forward these clips, made by people who HAVE studied Islam, to journalists, MP’s and anyone who cares to know the facts, rather than what they want to believe:

    http://markdurie.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/violence-and-contexts-in-islamic-texts.html

  20. Lee Vincent William Walker says

    Feb 26, 2014 at 5:41 pm

    shame that stool kicking is not allowed in the Uk anymore.. thats what happens when you hand sovereignty over to others.. And you always get the government you vote fo….

  21. Wellington says

    Feb 26, 2014 at 6:05 pm

    Nothing gives more cover to evil (e.g., Islam) than those possessed of willful ignorance (e.g., Justice Sweeney).

    • epistemology says

      Feb 27, 2014 at 7:00 am

      You’re so right Wellington. Judge Sweeney is an apologist, repeating the same old mantra of peaceful Islam being hijacked by extremists. Bullshit to the power of ten. When will they ever learn?

      I only feel sorry for the poor family, especially the widow and the little son.

  22. dumbledoresarmy says

    Feb 26, 2014 at 6:08 pm

    There was a *very big* Infidel crowd outside the courthouse while the sentencing was going on.

    And they were pretty cranky.

    A significant proportion of the common-or-garden British kuffar are waaay ahead of the Judge on the learning curve.

    As reported by one who was there – the redoubtable Esmerelda Weatherwax, who used to post here quite often, years ago, as “Granny Weatherwax” (fans of the novels of Terry Pratchett will understand the reference):

    http://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_direct_link.cfm/blog_id/52048

  23. Champs says

    Feb 26, 2014 at 6:28 pm

    Wow a judge who can’t *judge* islam and company correctly is a feckless one, at best …

    • Champs says

      Feb 26, 2014 at 6:29 pm

      …and the system won’t allow me to post as Champ any more, so I had to open a new account as “Champs”, sigh.

  24. sidney penny says

    Feb 26, 2014 at 6:33 pm

    Robert ,Question for you.

    What did you expect the judge to do or say?

    Your answer should be something along the lines of what is in this post.

    If Unleashed really wants to end “Islamophobia,” here is how they can accomplish it. They can call upon Muslim individuals and groups to:

    Then follows 6 excellent points.

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/01/dallas-muslim-group-to-hold-5k-walk-against-islamophobia

    or what this author said the judge should have done or said in this particular case where the applicant/petitoner tried to ban the quran.

    http://voiceofdharma.org/books/tcqp/

    see particular this chapter where the author discusses the judgment.

    THE JUDGMENT MISSES THE MAIN POINT

    ” The real issue raised by the Petition was not what Muslims believe about the Quran but what behaviour pattern the Quran inculcates in its votaries vis-à-vis the unbelievers.

    We find that Justice Basak neither faced this issue squarely nor ignored it completely in his judgment. He was not required to face it after he had constructed the legal concept that the Quran is sacred scripture. He could have cited the relevant law which exempts scriptures from legal review, and gone straight ahead to draw the logical conclusion that no court in India can sit in judgment on the contents of the Quran. He, however, chose to make three observations which, though brief, are significant.”

    http://voiceofdharma.org/books/tcqp/chi2.htm

    I suppose all judges want to add their flowery bit,and Justice Imam Sweeney of the UK High Court is no different.

  25. Michael says

    Feb 26, 2014 at 7:22 pm

    Jesus Christ is Lord. Mohammed is a devil.

    • Wellington says

      Feb 26, 2014 at 9:06 pm

      Perhaps, Michael, but try to remember that there are many non-Christians too who oppose what Islam intends for all of us. The “Jesus Christ is Lord” approach is not the most inclusive of approaches I would submit to you. Think “broadest coalition” if you can.

      • Charli Main says

        Feb 27, 2014 at 3:35 am

        Good point Wellington. Of course, I support Michael´s statement but Christians must never forget that Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists and Jews are also being persecuted and butchered all over the World by Muslims.
        Unless we remember that the global war against Islam is NOTHING to do with race, skin colour or where you were born, Christians could well lose this war.

        • Defcon 4 says

          Feb 27, 2014 at 10:55 am

          Don’t forget the Baha’i and Zoroastrians (ruthlessly persecuted in Iran), or the atheists of Bangladesh (being murdered and imprisoned for criticising islam).

        • veggiedog says

          Feb 27, 2014 at 11:01 am

          Thank you Charlie. For some this is an issue because Christians are now being persecuted, and i get offended when they seem to forget to acknowledge that Jews and others have been the victims for much longer.

  26. Lightning Jack says

    Feb 26, 2014 at 7:50 pm

    Now imagine that, an infidel British judge dare tell these sub-human Islamo-Fascist that they betrayed the core tenets of their fanatical orthodoxy for butchering an unarmed British soldier on a public street.

    Instead of finding them both guilty of premeditated murder and crimes against humanity, sentencing them to death by hanging, they will be given life in British prison with full health care and cultural benefits .

    As the saying goes, “Mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent.”

  27. jewdog says

    Feb 26, 2014 at 8:20 pm

    The defendants may be evil, but the judge is an ignoramus.

  28. Jay Boo says

    Feb 26, 2014 at 9:31 pm

    If an evangelical Christian even mentions the ‘End Tmes’ and Revelation or anything from the Book of Daniel the whole leftist MSM establishment completely wigs out in smug condemnation.

    But when a follower Muhammad murders out of the core Islamist foundational beliefs they follow a PC approved script to avoid any association with Islam.

  29. Andrea McGann Little says

    Feb 26, 2014 at 9:40 pm

    We need to stop pretending Islam is a religion of peace.

    • Champ says

      Feb 27, 2014 at 2:01 am

      Exactly, Andrea!

  30. Defcon 4 says

    Feb 26, 2014 at 10:43 pm

    Personally, I would rather have stepped aside and let them have at the judge. After all this judge needs a violent epiphany about the true nature of islam — as do many craven, cowardly and apathetic fools who live in western style democracies.

  31. sam says

    Feb 26, 2014 at 11:27 pm

    These brainwashed liberals will never understand that Islam is evil even their own throat is cut by a “soldier of Allah”. They will blame Israel and America for “bad” behavior towards poor Muslims all over the world.

    The suicidal path the West is taking is unfathomable.

  32. Bezelel says

    Feb 26, 2014 at 11:46 pm

    Betrayal of islam? Why thems fight’n words bucko!!! Of course all words are fight’n words to the religion of peace. Why bother lecturing the turds? They have no redeeming qualities, they have no remorse now nor will they ever. Execution. Sooner the better for the victims family

  33. gts58 says

    Feb 27, 2014 at 12:02 am

    These two are clearly not human – sub species mongrels. To think they will get to live is a mockery – albeit in prison! They should have both been put to death as a savage animal can not be rehabilitated!

  34. David says

    Feb 27, 2014 at 7:05 am

    No wonder they got mad in court. They’ve spent a lifetime learning & memorising the Quran, put it all into practice, then got told by some kafir judge who doesn’t even know what’s in the Quran they have it all wrong.

    170 Islamist rebels go boom in an ambush, courtesy of the Syrian army.

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=31d_1393437817

    Here’s the aftermath.

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b9a_1393415784

  35. logdon says

    Feb 27, 2014 at 7:27 am

    OK they both got life tariffs, that’s the good part.

    But is the judge such an expert on Islam as to make his sweeping statement on lack of Islamic connection? Note: he obediently echo’s Cameron in this mendacity and whether he believes it or is offering yet more of a sop, provides an insight into the workings of official politically correct corruption whenever Islam appears in the frame.

    Did the perpetrators, in view of their uproar expect a lesser sentence in a dhimmi UK which seems to respect ‘cultural differences’ more than the welfare of its subjects?

    Has anyone picked up on the total lack of any respect for British Law rather than the supremacist Sharia they were obviously so pumped up with? They are Muslims first, second and third and British has obviously been erased from the mindset.

    Will authority put two and two together by linking these two questions and the utter failure of multiculturalism which plainly is a driver for the increasingly obvious dissent growing within our Muslim communities?

    British Muslims are yet again in the classic second first manner, whining about islamophobia completely ignoring the first part which is the driver of our antipathy towards a faith which increasingly displays absolute indifference towards the culture of the country they so willingly decide to live in.

    That is what pushes public anger and when they see the one way street which exemplifies the core of Islam they quite rightly show it.

    When the masses are ignored this is not democracy it is totalitarian top down edict and at last the British public is becoming aware of the monstrosity which is being foisted, with no debate or consensus upon us.

    Newton’s physical laws of force and counterforce applies just as equally to the human condition as it does to physics. It is demonstrated quite ably within the concept of the scales of justice. It also contributes hugely to that psychologists favourite of closure.

    He also stated that energy is never lost, it simply transforms into another form and similarly the electricity which powers mans existence and drive cannot be capped. It has to go somewhere and in this case the energy takes the form of justice. When that is taken away the energy just bubbles away until the breaking point breaks it’s banks.

    Then what?

    We’ve seen a superficially adequate closure around this. These two practitioners of the religion of peace have been handed the ultimate sanction which is the correct retribution for the horror they so willingly perpetrated, but what about the rest?

    The motive was quite clearly Islam, yet according to the judge it’s been offered a no questions asked clean bill of health.

    These people were not deranged in any true psychiatric sense, they knew perfectly well what they were doing and that was obeying a true wahabbi inspired pure Islam imported directly from those people who we sell so many arms to. It wasn’t a perversion, it was it. Straight from the birthplace of Mohammed.

    Try as officialdom may to muddy the waters, it doesn’t get anymore authentic.

    They were converts and somewhere in the background of all of this lurks the inspirer and he happens to be Anjem Choudary. The links are there and the evidence is irrefutable so what about him? In the parlance, Mr Big?

    He is aider, abettor, instigator, whatever you want to call it, yet that long arm of the law seems to have withered somewhat. Is he above it all? Is our state so cowed by threat of upheaval that this grinning purveyor of dissent is allowed to ply his trade? All by the way funded by British taxpayer largesse.

    There’s no conspiracy theory here, it’s all there in plain sight yet an ‘I see no ships’ mentality prevails within the corridors of power.

    These are the probing skirmishes of a force intent on testing our mettle and they are, apart from desultory judicial tokenism, being completely ignored.

    Meanwhile the real jihad of stealth burrows away at our fabric. That judge is completely compromised by the self perpetuating myths which they so obviously are beseeching us to believe.

    Despite this dissembling we believe what we see, and right here in London a British soldier is butchered in full view by Allahu Akbaring muslim maniacs and it’s got nothing to do with Islam?

    I wonder if Mr Justice Sweeney is interested in buying a bridge? I believe there’s one for sale in Brooklyn.

    • Charli Main says

      Feb 27, 2014 at 8:17 am

      The enemy is not at the gates, the enemy is already in the citadel, freely rampaging through the city, raping, looting and killing the Kaffir,
      and the name of the enemy——ISLAM

  36. citycat says

    Feb 27, 2014 at 9:01 am

    A betrayal by the fact that they made more obvious the evil that seems to have occupied each and every cell of the victims(Muslims) of Islam.

    The judge should have had the courage to say it was a perfect portrayal of Islam in all its hypocritical gory glory.

    • Defcon 4 says

      Feb 27, 2014 at 11:04 am

      To say muslimes are the “victims of Islam” is as disgusting as saying Nazis are the victims of Nazism. To paint the persecutor as the victim is disgusting.

      • thomas_h says

        Feb 27, 2014 at 12:41 pm

        “To say muslimes are the “victims of Islam” is as disgusting as saying Nazis are the victims of Nazism.”

        Right, Defcon 4.
        Whether, or not muslims are victim of Islam is a philosophical question. As far as we should be concerned it is moslems that are killing us. They are therefore our enemies.

      • voegelinian says

        Feb 27, 2014 at 10:29 pm

        I agree, Defcon. Unfortunately, the Counter-Jihad (already discomfittingly few in numbers) seems to be riddled with people who think that way — or who try to continue thinking that way while repackaging it as something else (the latest fashionable term I saw was “MINO” — “Muslims in Name Only”) and pretending they are not more or less as soft as the PC MCs.

      • citycat says

        Feb 28, 2014 at 4:10 pm

        Muslims are victims of Islam, that’s a fact.
        If no Islam then no Muslims.
        It does not mean that one should not defend one’s self.
        Like soldiers on a battlefield, they’re both sides victims, killing one another.
        Kill or be killed, animalistical humanity, dog eat dog, our god is right, your god is wrong, sick humanity.

  37. Gary T says

    Feb 27, 2014 at 9:18 am

    The sad sad fact is the actual time involved that it took the two sons of goatfuckistan to dismember the young trooper.
    I read that it was 20 to 30 minutes before the rifle squad arrived on the bloody scene.
    And until then the only british citizen with enough guts to intervene was a woman who attempted to talk them out of their bloodlust.
    I mean really ! if that is the true face of England today , you are lost as a nation.

  38. loach says

    Feb 27, 2014 at 10:20 am

    On a lot of news channels they said what the judge side but not what the two murders said in court . Perhaps becouse it would reflect badly on the religion of peace.

  39. Max Hendra W says

    Feb 27, 2014 at 12:21 pm

    other perspective of jihad…

  40. Kepha says

    Feb 27, 2014 at 5:03 pm

    Alas, but Sweeney’s name is Legion.

    He’s a product of a smug, Leftist education that thinks its moral relativism puts it above the fray of competing traditions when it is only one among many traditions itself. It thinks a few pages of an appallingly biased high school history textbook on the “interconfessional glories of Ummayad Andaluz” makes the recipient an expert on Islam (which is of course , “far more tolerant than Christianity”), so he presumes to lecture people who have more Islam in one pubic hair than the Self-important black-robed and bewigged buffoon has in his entire body.

    You could probably write the word “damnation” in the dust accumulated on his Bible, but he would probably presume to tell an errant Christian innkeeper that “Jesus wouldn’t turn a homosexual couple away from his B&B”.

    As for the two homocidial jihadis, I think it’s too bad that Old Blightie no longer has the proverbial long drop and short tow.

    • thomas_h says

      Feb 27, 2014 at 5:54 pm

      “As for the two homicidal jihadis, I think it’s too bad that Old Blightie no longer has the proverbial long drop and short tow.”

      Hear, hear!
      I don’t doubt that reinstating the death penalty would be a signal of restoring sanity and justice. Two things without which civilization can not survive.

    • Wellington says

      Feb 27, 2014 at 7:55 pm

      You shouldn’t sugar-coat assessments, Kepha, about fools like Justice Sweeney. You’re too kind. Next time just give it to us straight. God knows, the Sweeney fools of the world fully deserve it.

  41. PJG says

    Feb 27, 2014 at 6:08 pm

    There is another explanation for what the judge said. He might have been TOLD to say something about a “betrayal of Islam” by someone higher up, and he put in that phrase about it having been said elsewhere as a hint that it was not his personal view. Because it is such an obviously srupid thing to have to say.
    Maybe…

  42. gravenimage says

    Feb 28, 2014 at 9:08 pm

    UK: Judge tells jihad murderers of soldier that they betrayed Islam; they start screaming “Allahu akbar” and fighting prison guards
    ……………………………….

    Really, this is the whole problem of what we face in a nutshell: the willfully ignorant West insisting that Islam is a “religion of peace”, even in the teeth of orthodox Islamic Jihad violence.

    This scene, rinse and repeat, ad nauseum…

  43. veggiedog says

    Mar 1, 2014 at 8:47 am

    They parrot what they have heard while closing their eyes on the reality all around them. This is a worldwide problem now, cleansing will be difficult.

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