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Al Qaeda calls for jihad car bomb attacks in American cities

Mar 16, 2014 8:32 am By Robert Spencer

times-square-bomb-plot-AP“Many Feisal Shahzads are residing inside America, and all they need is the knowledge of how to make car bombs. They are all yearning to fulfill their duty of Jihad.” Feisal Shahzad was the Times Square car bomber, whose jihad bomb was discovered and defused before he was able to commit mass murder for Allah. But there will certainly be more Feisal Shahzads, because of this call and because Leftist and Islamic supremacist groups in the U.S. are doing everything they can to defang and impede counter-terror operations. They will get what they want: jihad mass murder in America.

“Al-Qaeda Calls for Car Bomb Attacks on American Cities, Targets Abroad,” by Kerry Picket for Breitbart, March 15 (thanks to Chuck):

The latest issue of Al-Qaeda’s Inspire magazine contains an article about using car bombs in U.S. cities as well as abroad during election seasons, both presidential and congressional, as well as on Christmas and New Years Eve.

The cities and areas listed in the piece include Washington, D.C., New York, Northern Virginia, Chicago, and Los Angeles.

America is our first target, followed by United Kingdom, France and other crusader countries.

As for the field target for the car-bomb, you have places flooded with individuals, e.g. sports events in which tens of thousands attend, election campaigns, festivals and other gathering. The important thing is that you target people and not buildings:

Washington DC and New York:

Washington is the capital, and New York is the former capital. Both have symbolic importance to the American people and government. Moreover, White House is in Washington, and DC has about 347,000 federal govern ment employees and many important figures in the government live there. As for New York, it is known for its status as a financial, cultural, transportation, and manufacturing center, it is the leading center of banking, finance and communication in the United States.

Northern Virginia:

It has a big military presence, almost all the military bases are based in this state, apart from the Air Force which is based in Chicago. There are federal agencies in Northern Virginia, including the headquarters of the Department of Defense and CIA; and military facilities in Hampton Roads, the site of the region’s main seaport. Virginia in general attracts a load of tourists.

Chicago:

It is in the mid of the US, hence it is a major transportation hub. It is an important component in global distribution, as it is the third largest inter-modal port in the world. It is also an important worldwide center of commerce. The city has the second largest financial center in the United States. Among its most important financial structures:

1. Sears Tower, a 108-story skyscraper, it held the title tallest building in the world for about 25 years.

2. The Chicago Board of Trade Building.

Los Angeles:

The most populous city in the state of California, and the second most populous in the United States. It is also the largest manufacturing center in the western United States. It is also the home base of Hollywood. Areas and Restaurants with high profile personalities – Usually these people visit the restaurants during the weekend:

Arlington

Alexandria

Restaurants and Bars in the M street, Washington.

Tennis stadiums; they are visited by thousands of people, and high profile people, especially the US Open.

The piece includes interviews with islamist and Al-Qaeda recruiter Anwar al-Awlaki, who was killed in a U.S. drone strike in 2011, and Samir Khan, who was killed in the same air strike. Khan served as editor and publisher of Inspire up to that point. A photo of New York City is shown at the end of the piece.

The terrorist organization’s magazine has a letter from the editor that states:

Whenever Al-Qaeda is mentioned, the American citizens’ mind thinks of vest and car bombs.

Bearing in mind that none of these weapons has struck them post 9/11. So why would they relate Al-Qaeda to these bombs? Simply because they fear these weapons and have seen enough of their destructive power in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Many Feisal Shahzads are residing inside America, and all they need is the knowledge of how to make car bombs. They are all yearning to fulfill their duty of Jihad.

The American government was unable to protect its citizens from pressure cooker bombs in backpacks, I wonder if they are ready to stop car bombs!

Therefore, as our responsibility to the Muslim Ummah in general and Muslims living in America in particular, Inspire Magazine humbly presents to you a simple improvised home recipe of Shahzad’s car bomb.

And the good news is … you can prepare it in the kitchen of your mom too.

The piece also lists specific locations and times to attack European sites in England and France. These include the Bastille Military Day Parade on July 14 in Paris and soccer (football) stadiums during Premier League FA Cup Matches in the UK “when huge crowds leave the stadium and celebrate around the entrances and FA Cup matches.”

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Comments

  1. wildjew says

    Mar 16, 2014 at 8:43 am

    Should this happen, why not deport all Muslims? Is that too harsh?

    • eib says

      Mar 16, 2014 at 9:09 am

      Trace, find, apprehend, deport, expel.
      U.S. citizenship should be something ephemeral, taken away at the stroke of a pen.
      Because the Muslim terrorist denies the right of the Non Muslim to live, he should have no rights in his property or in himself.
      Period.

    • Islamisdeath says

      Mar 16, 2014 at 4:06 pm

      No no no Wildjew you have it all wrong! I just read on FB that stealth bombers are the same as suicide bombers! Doesn’t anyone understand we need to shut and just wait to be blown to bits after all its our fault and we deserve it!!!!!

      The looney left support this kind of thing with their inane and addled rants! God help us all!

      • Henry says

        Mar 16, 2014 at 5:41 pm

        Well we clearly need to do something. We might try to staunchly adhere to our values, and seriously enforce our laws, not giving Muslims special treatment, or tolerating a parallel system of Sharia. If Muslims failed to respect this and continued to be subversive and violent, then deportation would I think, be a realistic and necessary solution, a lesser of two evils if you like: our destruction or their deportation.
        Years ago I never would have entertained a thought like this, it would have been repugnant to me, but back then I knew nothing about what Islam is, or its history, I’m wiser, as many of us now are, and the death, destruction and oppression that followers of Islam inflict on much of humanity cannot be allowed to devour us.

      • Henry says

        Mar 16, 2014 at 5:43 pm

        Sorry, my comment was meant in reply to wildjew.

        • Islamisdeath says

          Mar 16, 2014 at 6:45 pm

          No problem but sadly your recommendations are just shouts in the wind.

        • Henry says

          Mar 17, 2014 at 2:48 pm

          Islam is death, it will be interesting to see what happens in the Netherlands if Geert Wilders and his party win the election in 2017, hopefully, it might just be the beginning of the turning of the tide.

      • just a canadian lady says

        Mar 17, 2014 at 5:01 pm

        Leftist liars need islam ,may pigs spit upon them ,little do they the left know and there is no excuse for being looney left anymore here

    • Amber says

      Mar 17, 2014 at 2:56 pm

      They should be understood and viewed as a national security threat and every last one deported. Know your enemy and remove the threat…however possible. Period.

  2. Diane Harvey says

    Mar 16, 2014 at 8:47 am

    To the unknowing world, to liberals, and to Muslim apologists and sympathizers, only actual Muslim attacks count. A foiled Muslim attack proves nothing. All the surveillance work done by the NYPD in foiling/preventing would-be Muslim attacks (now undone by one liberal federal judge and NYC’s new leftist mayor) counts for nothing.

    Even when a Muslim attack occurs, a predictable, super-annealing use of the Muslim EXCUSE Machine, familiar to every JW reader, will be kicked into high gear, with its sole purpose being to invent reasons why an obvious Muslim attack is not a Muslim attack. “Who are you going to believe, us or your lyin’ eyes?”

    Hasan’s 2009 attack is a perfect example of all that. Hasan Allahu-Akbarred his way through his rampage, but the J-I-M words are never used in officialdom or in the MSM.
    Jihad.
    Islam.
    Muslim.

    Nothing grabs one’s attention like being hit on the side of the head with a 2 by 4. And from all appearance it will take more Muslim attacks against infidels with the loss of Western lives before more necessary lessons about Islam and its ideology are learned. De Blasio, as NYC’s mayor, will be conducive to seeing that NYC gets some new lessons.

    Following the Boston Marathon Massacre the left has given this machine a new coat of paint and fresh lubrication. We know what the machine and its operators will be doing, but this time the circumstances are slightly different. We have the written proof, from the murdering Muslim brothers themselves, that Islam was their motivation.

    And still what has the FBI and the Boston Police done? Buried the Islam motivation.

    • Alarmed Pig Farmer says

      Mar 16, 2014 at 9:34 am

      Even when a Muslim attack occurs, a predictable, super-annealing use of the Muslim EXCUSE Machine, familiar to every JW reader, will be kicked into high gear, with its sole purpose being to invent reasons why an obvious Muslim attack is not a Muslim attack.

      Small nit, but the ultimate purpose is to program mass opinion to maintain a fictive reality, that being when an fake fact is so widely accepted as true that it may as well be. Every fictive reality is predicated on one or two Big Lies, the whopper with Islam is that it’s basically a peaceful whatever hijacked by a tiny minority yadda yadda yadda. We see the fictive reality phenomenon at work in environmentalism, racism sexism, socialism, globalism… the works. They’ve got us surrounded with craven images, lying ones.

      Media has come so far, and thank goodness for that, cuz Islam has not just one fake fact, but many.

      • voegelinian says

        Mar 16, 2014 at 4:28 pm

        Diane and PigFarmer are mostly correct, but are delimiting the problem too much by identifying only “Leftists” and Elites as the problem, when it’s a less demonizable, and broader sociocultural problem whereby the hearts and minds of millions of Ordinary Folks are beholden to a paradigm or worldview (PC MC) that makes them reflexively defend Muslims when too much criticism of them is brought to bear.

        • Alarmed Pig Farmer says

          Mar 16, 2014 at 7:31 pm

          I don’t so much see Leftists (aka globo-socialists) or Elites as the central problem so much as the phenomenon of mass opinion programming. The trouble comes in where a belief system is self-perpetuating. Socialism is the world’s biggest, and has infused the schools, pulpits, benches, newspapers and TV stations. It’s a belief system that always has its people on the same page, with the same explanations. Victimism provides much of its power, along with the major subsidiary power source, racism, which is unassailable. And who’s the best victim of all? The Moslems, who’ve been playing the V card for 1,400 years now, starting with the Great One Himself, the Prophet Mohammed, who was victimized by cynics in Mecca and Jews in Yathrib. Poor Mohammed had so many of his unilateral treaties violated that it had for him to be humane, so he wasn’t.

          Has the gap between the reality of Moslems and the public perception of them moved at all since Sept 11? Some, but not much. Not enough. Plus, as Moslem activism in the form of growth in funding, organization and distribution has spiked since 2001. They’re getting bigger and badder and our mass perception has hardly budged, so the gap may actually be widening, the comforting delusion of A-OK Islam may becoming more dangerous .

        • voegelinian says

          Mar 17, 2014 at 6:35 pm

          AlarmedPigFarmer, the problem with your analysis is that millions of ordinary non-Leftist non-Socialist Westerners continue to defend Islam and defend Muslims. This can’t be because of “mass programming” or because of Socialist influence — unless you think the majority of your fellow Westerners are stupid sheep passively countenancing a sociopolitical culture that is leading it to a situation of increasingly widespread vulnerability to terror attacks and other assorted Muslim violence. If you do, what’s the point of trying to save the West?

    • Veracious_one says

      Mar 16, 2014 at 9:55 am

      A foiled Muslim attack proves nothing

      it proves they’re trying…

    • Jay Boo says

      Mar 16, 2014 at 12:13 pm

      Even when a Muslim attack occurs, a predictable, super-annealing use of the Muslim EXCUSE Machine, familiar to every JW reader, will be kicked into high gear, with its sole purpose being to invent reasons why an obvious Muslim attack is not a Muslim attack.
      ———

      very true Diane,
      A well coordinated axis of evil alliance between the leftist media, the Obama apology team, the CAIR representatives who claim the ‘real’ problem is Islamophobia and administration’s Muslim Brotherhood infiltrators using the White House hot line to call up Al Jazeera’s Qatari headquarters.

    • gravenimage says

      Mar 16, 2014 at 8:44 pm

      All important points, Diane, APF, and Voegelinian.

  3. eib says

    Mar 16, 2014 at 9:09 am

    Every drop of blood says it:
    Islam is profane.
    Yes, Islam is profane.

  4. Alarmed Pig Farmer says

    Mar 16, 2014 at 9:11 am

    They are all yearning to fulfill their duty of Jihad.
    – Murder porno mag published by the NGO activist group al-Qaeda

    The question to axe: why, for what purpose?
    They are so hoping to fulfill their duty of Jihad, yearning,
    Eager Moslems read the Ko-Ran, their hearts now burning,
    Peanut sized hearts, made small by what they’ve accepted,
    In a nutshell, an earthly Hell, killing and grace now connected.

    • Davegreybeard says

      Mar 16, 2014 at 3:49 pm

      Excellent poem, APF, I have copied it and will save it in my archives – with your attribution of course.

    • Huck Folder says

      Mar 18, 2014 at 8:58 pm

      APF et al. Inspired by ‘Inspire’ and cleaned up:

      The Wolf, the Lamb and the Umma – Abu Nûh

      Not so long ago, in the mysterious land of oh-eye-see,
      there lived an ugly wolf hybrid known as Wolfmo.
      Among his peers, he was distinguished by his big head,
      his black coat, his long foul tongue and his loud howl.
      Hence, he became the alpha male in his pack.

      One day, as Wolfmo was on a hilltop searching for a refill
      for his rumbling stomach, he saw a chubby young Jew lamb
      with fluffy wool playing in a grassy glade. Wolfmo crept
      down the hill to meet the charming little lamb, resolved
      not to lay violent hands on him, but to find some sura
      to justify to the lamb his RIGHT to eat him.

      He thus addressed him: “Kid, last year you grossly insulted me.”
      “Indeed,” bleated the lamb mournfully, “I was not then born.”
      Then said Wolfmo, “You feed in my pasture.”
      “No, good sir,” replied the lamb, “I have not yet tasted grass.”
      Again said Wolfmo, “You drink of my well.”
      “No!” Exclaimed the lamb, “I never yet drank water,
      for as yet my mother’s milk is both food and drink to me.”

      “Well! I won’t remain supperless,” thought Wolfmo.
      He seized the Jew lamb and ate him up, saying,
      “So it must have been your Jewe mother!”

      The mother powerlessly followed the dialogue.
      What could this poor mother do when she saw her
      beloved son being torn into pieces by the teeth of the wolf?
      She knew she could not reclaim her son, but in the passion
      of motherhood, she butted and rebutted Wolfmo.

      Of course Wolfmo was not affected at all.
      But his SUPERIORITY had been challenged!
      In an instant jihad syndrome, his pupils dilated
      and he raised the base of his tail, as in prayer.
      “How dare this Jewe touch me!” thought he.

      He howled with a long, smooth adhan sound,
      projecting, “This is a terrorist! This is a terrorist!”
      All other wolves howled, repeating Wolfmo’s words,
      creating an illusion that there were many
      condemning the act of the Jewe.

      It is not strange that these howls were heard
      from 10 miles away, but the strange thing is
      how these howls echoed throughout the forest.

      Whereby the left-winged parrots joined in
      and repeated what Wolfmo said, saying,
      “We condemn the Jewe’s butt against Wolfmo,
      ALL the animals are against this BARBARIC act!”

  5. mortimer says

    Mar 16, 2014 at 10:14 am

    Saboteurs. Where is their support system? Mosques? Islamic organizations such as CAIR? Gulf funding?

    When will our politicians understand this is religious warfare against disbelievers and especially against FREEDOM?

  6. Wellington says

    Mar 16, 2014 at 11:43 am

    All those out there that think that Islam is capable of reform (I don’t) must consider the numbers. Even assuming that a reformed, peaceful, tolerant Islam came into being and 90% of Muslims worldwide practiced such an Islam, this would still leave 10% who wouldn’t and thus Islam will always remain an intolerant death cult for a certain percentage of Muslims when they don’t get their way. Now, 10% of the world’s Muslim population is probably at least 130 million people, not that every one of these 130 million would themselves be violent in the name of their faith but they would at least condone such violence. What if only 2% of Muslims don’t take to a reformed Islam? Well, this would still leave at least 26 million loons out there—–a lot of people. Only 1%? Then at least 13 million left and so on.

    My larger point here is that Islam will always remain the death cult that it is for enough Mohammedans to permanently cause worldwide trouble and grief and about no other major faith can this remotely be said. And what if Islam can’t be reformed, which I think is the case, then Islam as the death cult that it is will be an even bigger problem, much bigger. This is why pretending that Islam is something good (and a reformed Islam, something I believe impossible, actually wouldn’t, couldn’t even be Islam) and that violent Muslims are thus betraying a wonderful religion is foolish beyond belief. When you can’t even identify the enemy, you can never win. And Islam is the enemy of liberty, true tolerance, equality under the law and a world that has a capacity to get better, not worse.

    • Jay Boo says

      Mar 16, 2014 at 12:34 pm

      Well said Wellington,
      If only Muslims would and the news media would at least agree to the point that “a reformed Islam, … is impossible, actually wouldn’t, couldn’t even be Islam” then the truth would get a foothold.

      Too many Muslims assume Islam is about Allah, but Allah is merely a stage prop.
      The real star of the show in Islam is the INFIDEL backed up with an opposing cast of Self-righteous Vanity.
      With out the Infidel (villain) on stage Islam’s plot self destructs.

    • Porky The Crusader says

      Mar 16, 2014 at 1:36 pm

      You nailed it,Wellington 🙂

    • mortimer says

      Mar 16, 2014 at 5:26 pm

      Looking at it another way, only 1% of a population is in the military in peacetime, but this goes up to 10% in time of war.

      When 10% are in uniform, does it mean that the others do not support them? Hardly, almost everyone supports the military in a great war. So to with Muslims!

      Only 1% of Muslims are jihadists, but fully 65% to 80% of Muslims support them… financially, spiritually and morally.

    • Alarmed Pig Farmer says

      Mar 16, 2014 at 11:34 pm

      As I recall, the same breakdown of numbers was done by the British Home Office a few years ago, and was reported here but unreported in the general press. The numbers are sobering, even as sanguine as they are. Wellington, you don’t need me to tell you that the other 90% are tacit supporters of the putative 10%. But, in any case, the gross numbers of people who don’t fit ex-Prez Dubya’s lying declaration of tiny minority of extremists who have yadda yadda is enormous, and daunting.

    • Defcon 4 says

      Mar 17, 2014 at 1:36 am

      Hear, hear. Wellington. The ugly truth, unvarnished at last.

      • John Stefan Obeda says

        Mar 17, 2014 at 9:18 pm

        Yes, left with the unvarnished truth. What are we left with? We’re left with God. “God, have mercy on us, please, and save us from the power of the devil’s servant, Islam. Yes, please, for the sake of Jesus Your Son Who died for our sins of which we, as a nation must repent and do better in obeying Your commandments.”

  7. Undaunted says

    Mar 16, 2014 at 11:43 am

    Spotting and handling car-bombs. Not Irish Car-Bombs, those are handled differently than this:

    http://freemendo.typepad.com/undaunted/2010/05/nyc-bomber.html

  8. Davegreybeard says

    Mar 16, 2014 at 3:42 pm

    So we all know it’s just a matter of time before Jihadi “death blossoms” start to sprout in our land.

    I would suggest that the immediate aftermath of such an attack would provide a golden opportunity to spread the truth about Islam.

    So, are YOU ready?

    Do you have leaflets, pamphlets, etc. printed up and ready to go?

    So that when you’re “out and about,” and everyone’s talking about the attack, AND FOCUSEFD ON ISLAM, you can quickly give them more information to take away.

    If not, why not?

    Citizen Warrior has some excellent pamphlets that you can download and print. And of course I have my own leaflet that I have been revising and honing for at least 5 yrs. now.

  9. voegelinian says

    Mar 16, 2014 at 4:31 pm

    As a small minority of commenters agree, we need to deport all Muslims. We can’t do it today, or in the next few years — not because it goes against our laws in the free West (no laws or constitutions in the free world prevent their nation from taking measures to protect their societies from enemies who are waging war on them and in the process actively mass-murdering and destroying property and portending much worse in the near future), not because it is technically impossible; but only because our dominant and mainstream paradigm reflecting the PC MC worldview prevents us on a psychological and cultural level.

    And one telling indication of just how broad and deep that paradigm is in the hearts and minds of Westerners is how even the majority inside the Counter-Jihad balk at deportation and put up static energy countering it, static energy which shows telltale signs of infection by PC MC.

    • Salah says

      Mar 16, 2014 at 4:56 pm

      “As a small minority of commenters agree, we need to deport all Muslims. We can’t do it today, or in the next few years”

      Since we can’t do it, let’s try something else. Help Muslims discover by themselves the filth of Muhammad’s life, teachings and examples. Help them leave Islam. Not an easy task, I agree, but it’s worth trying.
      We’ll still need to get rid of our PC mentality though. As for the deportation solution, we should use it against anyone tied to Jihad, be it militant or stealth.
      Then, of course, we must not forget that a Muslim Brotherhood sympathizer is at the head of the nation, thanks to those who twice voted for him. This needs to change too, he must face trial and, if convicted of high treason, executed.
      One more thing, we need to turn back to our Judeo-Christian values.

      The filthy prophet of Islam, his life, teachings and examples:
      http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2010/12/perfect-man-of-islam.html

      • voegelinian says

        Mar 16, 2014 at 5:51 pm

        “Since we can’t do it, let’s try something else. ”

        We can’t do it now, or in the next few years. We can do it eventually; and we will do it. The question is not if — it’s when. Will we wait until after Muslims mass-murder a million or more of us — or before?

      • gravenimage says

        Mar 16, 2014 at 9:58 pm

        Salah wrote:

        Since we can’t do it, let’s try something else. Help Muslims discover by themselves the filth of Muhammad’s life, teachings and examples.
        ………………………………..

        Salah, all too many Muslims are *all too familiar* with the repulsive model of the “Prophet’s” life.

        You hear this all the time from well-meaning people—that if only Muslims truly understood Islam, that they would leave in droves.

        But there is a contradiction here—if all Muslims were *truly* ignorant of what a bloody, violent creed they were born into, then there *would be no Jihad*, because Muslims wouldn’t know that they were supposed to be violent in the first place.

        Clearly—and the above story is but one example—this is *not* the case.

        • Salah says

          Mar 16, 2014 at 11:39 pm

          Salah, all too many Muslims are *all too familiar* with the repulsive model of the “Prophet’s” life.
          …………..

          That’s not exactly the case. Most of them are ignorant about the filthy life of Muhammad. Now, let me give you the example of Egypt since I consider it to be the first popular open challenge to Jihad.
          By overwhelmingly approving the new constitution, 98.5% of the Egyptian people said NO to the MB and to their violent Jihad ideology. Why is that? because they THINK (falsely of course) that Islam is NOT a violent religion and that Muhammad was a peaceful man.
          The problem with this TMOE is that, in most cases, they are able to deceive and/or intimidate thousands of Muslims into following their violent ideology (which is the True Islam).
          The solution I propose is education (for the ignorant) and protection (for the fearful).
          What are you proposing?

        • gravenimage says

          Mar 17, 2014 at 2:17 pm

          Salah wrote:

          What are you proposing?
          …………………………

          Just what Robert Spencer does—educating *infidels* about the threat of Islam.

          If a few decent or lax Muslims along the way decide to leave Islam, no one will be happier than myself.

          But to believe that the only reason we have a problem with Jihad is because *Muslims* themselves are unaware of the violence of Islam simply makes no sense.

        • Salah says

          Mar 18, 2014 at 12:28 am

          @gravenimage,
          I don’t see any disagreement between your solution and mine, in fact, both are complementary to each other. This is the reason why most of the posts on my blog are written in english, french and arabic. I’m trying to educate both the “infidel” and the future apostate.

    • Wellington says

      Mar 16, 2014 at 5:17 pm

      At it again, eh voegelinian (Hesperado, Lemon Lime)? First of all (and unfortunately) American society and government has not yet identified Islam as a negative, far from it as you and I and so many others here at JW know only too well. But even assuming Islam would be identified as a negative, i.e., an enemy of the American Republic, this STILL would not legally allow for deportation of Muslims en masse. Communism, another wretched totalitarian ideology like Islam, and certainly an enemy of the Republic and its founding principles, was very much recognized as a negative during the Cold War (it’s making a comeback on American college campuses presently but this is just another testimony to what has happened to American higher education and so I digress) but this did not disallow someone during the Cold War from being a Communist, nor did it make illegal the Gus Hall led American Communist Party. Ditto for any stupid American Nazi party, even during WWII.

      You see, the Constitution protects virtually all theory, including very inimical theory, but definitely does allow for prosecution of inimical action based upon inimical theory (e.g.—–You want to be a Satanist? OK, then be one but if your Satanism requires a human sacrifice on a Satanic altar now and again, sorry, you can’t do that and if you do you will be charged with murder). Therefore, Muslim deportation en masse, once again even assuming Islam is put by the government in the same category as Marxism and fascism et al., is not a constitutional or legal possibility under the Constitution and statutory law. And it makes no legal difference if there are “only” a handful of Muslim atrocities or far more than a handful. I do wish you’d finally learn this. I submit to you that you’re far too intelligent not to.

      The way to “defeat” Islam in America is not through mass deportation of Muslims, something which I’ve already detailed is simply not going to happen, but rather by way of Islam being put, for all intents and purposes, by American government and society into the same category with other malevolent ideologies and belief systems. If (hopefully when) this occurs, Islam will become marginalized by way of being looked upon as a pariah and Muslims will then be viewed as confused people, as losers, just as Neo-Nazis and Marxists are. Of course, any Muslim ACTING upon this or that warped Islamic belief (and there are so many such beliefs), which is destructive of life or property, can be prosecuted, and should be prosecuted, to the full extent of the law. Ditto for Marxists, Neo-Nazis, Klansmen, Satan worshipers, NAMBLA members, etc. Yes, voegelinian, I wish you’d finally learn this about American law, especially, speaking personally, since I agree with so much else of what you contend.

      • mortimer says

        Mar 16, 2014 at 6:15 pm

        Yes. Free expression means we can CROSS EXAMINE the Muslim and his ideology, challenge his veracity and that of Islam and determine if there is enough evidence to support his conclusions. In every case where Muslims are debated, they lose the debate because Islam is a house of cards.

      • gravenimage says

        Mar 16, 2014 at 10:27 pm

        Wellington wrote:

        Of course, any Muslim ACTING upon this or that warped Islamic belief (and there are so many such beliefs), which is destructive of life or property, can be prosecuted, and should be prosecuted, to the full extent of the law.
        ………………………………..

        Excellent post, Wellington. The only thing I would add is that they should be prosecuted for *any* attempt to force Islam on us, be it through violent Jihad—as you mention—or through attempts to impose Shari’ah law.

        This is why some states have moved to specifically denote Shari’ah law as unconstitutional—which, of course, it is. Not only should all states pursue such legislation, but this should be done at the federal level, as well.

        I don’t believe that we need new laws—and we certainly don’t need to remove any of our freedoms.

        All we need to do is apply the civilized laws we do have vigorously and consistently.

        We would come down on Muslims who attempt to wage Jihad like a ton of bricks—prosecuting them, imprisoning them, deporting any who were not citizens, thoroughly investigating their Mosque, their families, and their associates.

        Muslims would soon learn that they will be unable to make any headway with imposing Islam here. The West *has* done this before.

        Muslims would behave, or they would move on, or they would be taken out of circulation.

        • Defcon 4 says

          Mar 17, 2014 at 1:53 am

          Demographics is destiny. Wellington’s solution is already and abject failure as proven by the no-go areas in Fwance and Dearbornistan, Michigan.

          The Nazis weren’t the majority of Germans when they took over Germany, they merely took over everything that mattered.

        • Wellington says

          Mar 17, 2014 at 12:29 pm

          Thank you, gravenimage. The “Shariah thing” is tricky from a legal point of view because some of Shariah does not conflict with the Constitution or statutory law (e.g., washing before prayers) while some of it most definitely does (e.g., punishment for insulting Mohammed, the Koran or Islam). Therefore, legislatures must be careful the way they frame anti-Shariah legislation. In general, the route that should be taken is to disallow anything that conflicts with the Constitution and American laws. Probably best when doing this not to even mention the word “Shariah,” only the prohibited actions, so that it makes it less likely some liberal judge disallows the legislation on the basis of religious discrimination.

          I cannot eliminate the possibility that an amendment to the Constitution, or Congress acting under its authority pursuant to Article 3, Section 2 whereby it can remove from federal court review certain legislation, may be necessary at sometime in the future in order to deal with Islam in America. Islam is unique in certain ways with respect to how inimical it is while still capable of finding constitutional protection that other malevolent belief systems would never be afforded, for instance religious protection under the First Amendment. I don’t think this is likely, and like you I believe current laws (plus anti-Sharia ones) are probably adequate to deal with Islam, but I don’t know this for certain.

          There are some who post here who are simply ignorant of American law and would be laughed out of any court if they proposed some of what they have. Such people are not helpful to combatting Islam’s designs here in America. Indeed, they impede them.

          Hope you and yours are doing well. No one here at JW, with the possible exception of Robert Spencer himself, can dissect and destroy a bogus argument better than you can. Take care, my friend.

        • gravenimage says

          Mar 17, 2014 at 2:45 pm

          Defcon 4 wrote:

          Demographics is destiny. Wellington’s solution is already and abject failure as proven by the no-go areas in Fwance and Dearbornistan, Michigan.
          ………………………………..

          You bring up an important point, Defcon 4—the rising population of Mohammedans in Dar-al-Harb, both through suicidal immigration policies and high Muslim birth, *is* a serious threat.

          But France is *not* Muslim-majority—it is about 8% Muslim. I’m not even sure that Dearborn is Muslim-majority—there are no exact figures, and the Middle Eastern population there was originally Arab Christian. Even if Dearborn is Muslim-majority, the greater Detroit area is not, nor is Michigan, nor the United States.

          If Muslims are getting away with adopting aspects of Shari’ah in “No Go” Zones—and they are—it is because foolish Infidels are *allowing it*.

          *That’s* what we need to stop—the Infidel *enabling* of barbaric Muslim hegemony.

          More:

          The Nazis weren’t the majority of Germans when they took over Germany, they merely took over everything that mattered.
          ………………………………..

          With respect, Defcon 4—and I do respect your observations—I believe you are somewhat contradicting yourself here.

          Demographics can be destiny, as you note—but the Nazis, as you also note, were *not* the majority.

          They did what Muslims are doing—through threats and violence and working behind the scenes, they intimidated and fooled a passive populace sunk in denial that did little to assert their values before the Fascists made their final grab for power.

          The parallels are not exact, of course—far more ordinary Germans supported aspects of Fascism than Infidels support Shari’ah—but they are close.

          We still have a population that both refuses to really recognize the threat and is cowed by threats and intimidation. Throw in PC/MC and you have a deadly confluence.

          I still believe we can turn things around—but its going to take a real recognition of the the kind of existential threat we face from Islam, along with a commitment to defend our own civilized laws and culture.

        • voegelinian says

          Mar 17, 2014 at 6:39 pm

          You (and Wellington) evidently don’t grasp the full dimensions of the problem. Your recommendations for what to do about it are pertinent to some other problem somewhat similar (but crucially different in certain respects), not the actual one that is besetting us.

        • gravenimage says

          Mar 19, 2014 at 1:08 am

          Wellington wrote:

          Thank you, gravenimage. The “Shariah thing” is tricky from a legal point of view because some of Shariah does not conflict with the Constitution or statutory law (e.g., washing before prayers) while some of it most definitely does (e.g., punishment for insulting Mohammed, the Koran or Islam). Therefore, legislatures must be careful the way they frame anti-Shariah legislation…
          ……………………………

          I don’t have a legal background as you do, Wellington, but I don’t believe that this should actually be a complicated problem.

          Muslims often falsely claim that any ban on Shari’ah law would prevent them from practicing their religion even in its more benign aspects—such as washing before prayers.

          But what we would be banning would not be Shari’ah but the *imposition* of Shari’ah law.

          This seems like a niggling point, but it is not. If a Muslim wants to personally engage in something like washing before prayers, then that doesn’t contradict the Constitution at all.

          But Muslims *mandating* that someone wash, and backing it up with the force of law, *would* violate Constitutional protections.

          And it goes without saying that codified oppression of women and Infidels, blasphemy strictures, amputations, floggings, and stonings would violate such protections, as well.

          I believe that this is the basis on which Shari’ah law should effectively be banned.

          More:

          Hope you and yours are doing well. No one here at JW, with the possible exception of Robert Spencer himself, can dissect and destroy a bogus argument better than you can.
          ……………………………

          Thank you so much, Wellington—that means a great deal to men hearing this from you.

          I’m doing well—except, of course for witnessing the incessant and growing calls for violent Jihad here.

        • gravenimage says

          Mar 19, 2014 at 1:23 am

          Voegelinian wrote:

          You (and Wellington) evidently don’t grasp the full dimensions of the problem. Your recommendations for what to do about it are pertinent to some other problem somewhat similar (but crucially different in certain respects), not the actual one that is besetting us.
          ………………………………….

          Voegelinian, I think we can both agree that right now that the United States and the rest of the West are *not* enforcing their own laws consistently or rigorously when it comes to Islam at all.

          If we were, and such actions proved insufficient to our defense, I would certainly support whatever changes might prove necessary.

          But right now, we are not utilizing the laws we do have—all too many in positions of power, in fact, are busy *enabling* Islam, even when that entails violating both the letter and spirit of our legal systems.

          I believe that this is the main problem throughout the West—not that our laws are incapable of protecting us, but that they are too seldom applied, and never consistently.

        • voegelinian says

          Mar 19, 2014 at 5:41 pm

          gravenimage,

          Your comment illustrates my criticism of you and Wellington, in that your response all revolved around law. This isn’t a legal problem. It’s a military problem — specifically, a problem that is military in nature, but whose military nature is not being recognized (and, immediately consequent upon such recognition, addressed appropriately).

          The problem thus has two sides, like a coin:

          1) the military (and paramilitary, including stealth or what used to be termed “espionage”) belligerence of our enemy — this belligerence pursued on two parallel (though seemingly mutually contradictory) tracks as Violent Jihad and Stealth Jihad

          2) our society’s complex denial of #1.

          Now, back to your misapprehension of the problem as a legal problem. Did Hitler’s activities in the years ramping up to December 11, 1941, present to America, or to Great Britain, or to France a legal problem, to be solved through application of domestic laws being ignored (or through passing new domestic laws)?

          Perhaps the most important flaw in the response of the Good Guys in the last two world wars was the stubborn insistence that the war devolving under the noses was going to be just like the last war — i.e., inability to think outside the box in order to attend to new data unfolding in the ongoing present. That’s what our mainstream is doing — thinking that the next world war will be caused by “another (white Western) Hitler” and will be a conventional war. This present world war that is now happening is unique in world history, for many reasons — including that it is not following conventional rules or patterns of warfare; so much so, that the entire Western mainstream doesn’t realize it’s happening (and thus, of course, their political representatives are not responding appropriately by declarations of war on their side). Indeed, most even in the Counter-Jihad can’t recognize it as such, and seem to insist that Muslims present only legal and criminal problems.

        • gravenimage says

          Mar 19, 2014 at 6:48 pm

          Voegelinian wrote:

          gravenimage,

          Your comment illustrates my criticism of you and Wellington, in that your response all revolved around law. This isn’t a legal problem. It’s a military problem —
          ………………………………

          Voegelinian, please note that I am referring to law in the broad sense—I do *not* hold, as some seem to, that Jihad is really no different from shoplifting; and should always be accompanied with the reading of Miranda Rights, a presumption of innocence, and the accommodation of Muslim prisoners with Qur’ans and Halal meals.

          But the legal and military are not entirely separate spheres—the military serves to protect our citizens under the Constitution, and can only act under the law of the land.

          And despite the chaos and bloody violence of Islam, pious Muslims’ ultimate objective in many ways is also about legalities—the imposition of Islamic law.

          The legal and the military work hand in hand—with the military (and security and law enforcement) serving to safeguard us under our laws.

          I believe this is a legal *and* a military issue—and ultimately, both are just tools, albeit supremely important ones.

          The main issue is one of will—are we going to resist the threat of Jihad and Shari’ah, or go gently into that not-so-good Islamic night…

    • Defcon 4 says

      Mar 17, 2014 at 1:39 am

      I think it would take a civil war to implement your solution. But, that’s alright, how often do you have the chance to give your life fighting the greatest evil since Nazism/Communism?

      • voegelinian says

        Mar 17, 2014 at 6:40 pm

        No need for civil war — unless you have so little faith in your own West that you think it can’t shed the PC MC fashion which it has been indulging in a mainstream way only for the last half century.

  10. fair_dinkum says

    Mar 17, 2014 at 1:56 am

    given the intensity and hatred focused on the U S by these louts, it is, regardless of governance, truly astounding how many plots have been thwarted by U S secret services and astounding it can and does, continue to do so.

    and here in oz, our mob have been on top of their game as well. it’s a very difficult and highly stressful game to play. but the populations of moslems already in situ and the rampant continuation of moslem immigration to the west, maybe this relatively calm period (all things considered) will end at some stage.

    and i cannot imagine that if a few more Boston style bombers, or indeed after a few more 7/7s or 9/11s, that we wouldnt, collectively, just say no.
    i (almost) pray for the day. but it may well take more incidents like these before
    a) the general populace takes notice and
    b) government takes the ultimate and correct stand against the whole rotten basket.

    of course, it WILL take the death (or pack rape or assault or any of islams other charms) of some prominent liberal leaders family or friends, before any shift can be expected. and public voice united and against it.

    BUT: Sweden and other EU nations have had horrible episodes, and continue to have them, at the hands of their moslem immigrants. The Danes seem to be on the right track, at last.

    our ministers and police have been firm in the resolve that “no law beats Australian law” and sharia free states in the U S have decided to say no already.
    i continue to wish them well, and to wise up quick, and preserve our freedom.

    otherwise, it will be selling our children and grandchildren up the creek, or down river. and we have already done that with so many other issues and rights we just took for granted.

  11. kafirrific says

    Mar 17, 2014 at 7:02 am

    (Parody of “Thriller” by Michael Jackson)

    It’s time to realize
    The evil that lurks deep within their heart
    No one here denies
    That they were wrong right from the start
    You shout and scream
    As terror claims another victim
    Strange though it may seem
    It’s just their way of life
    They love war and strife

    Cause they are killers, killers for god
    And who is gonna save us from the terror of jihad
    Yes they are killers, killers for god
    We’re fighting for our lives against Muslim killers tonight

    You heard the loud boom
    And watched the Twin Towers crumbling down
    You saw them face doom
    As human bodies fell down to the ground
    You closed your eyes
    Pretending it was just an awful nightmare
    Out of the skies a jetliner became a gigantic bomb
    3000 gone

    Cause they are killers, killers for god
    And who is gonna save us from the terror of jihad
    Yes they are killers, killers for god
    We’re fighting for our lives against Muslim killers tonight

    Imams were calling as buildings were falling in smoke and haze
    This pleases Allah when the faithful do follow Islam’s evil ways
    For this each Muslim prays

    They’re out to get us, these demons from some god forsaken lands
    They will possess us and force us to convert as Allah commands
    Now is the time for you and I to defend ourselves together
    It would be crime to let these evildoers ever win
    Never again!

    Cause they are killers, killers for god
    And who is gonna save us from the terror of jihad
    Yes they are killers, killers for god
    We’re fighting for our lives against Muslim killers tonight

    Darkness falls across our land
    As Muslim radicals gain the upper hand
    Dhimmi politicians sell us down the river
    And into their hands our very souls deliver

    The biggest threat to us has always been Islam
    About anyone’s human rights they don’t give a damn
    They will not rest until they rule the whole world
    And Islam’s foul flag everywhere is unfurled

    We must go fight to stay alive
    And protect ourselves from these blood spillers
    For we must not fail to resist
    The evil of these Muslim killers

    • dumbledoresarmy says

      Mar 17, 2014 at 8:12 am

      Mate

      you wrote that yourself?

      Wow. it’s pretty damn good.

      do a sound track, edit some images together, choose a suitable moniker, and put it up on youtube…

      • kafirrific says

        Mar 17, 2014 at 9:33 am

        Thanks a million! I have fun writing parodies from time to time. I don’t have the musical or editing skills to make an online presentation but I do have other parodies and poems concerning the threat of Islamofacism that I intend to post in the near future.

    • just a canadian lady says

      Mar 17, 2014 at 5:18 pm

      We must go fight to stay alive

      And a pig smiles after reading your post Kariffic knowing the message is getting through more and more ,We cant give Iscrap a inch more

  12. Jack says

    Mar 17, 2014 at 10:17 am

    I wonder if Mayor Bill DeBlasio will still be against profiling when one of his family members is injured or killed by one of the terrorists pretending to be an American citizen in NYC or northern New Jersey.

  13. just a canadian lady says

    Mar 17, 2014 at 6:39 pm

    Bill probably thought that already ,and decided that already ,jihad ,takiyya being deciete means acceptance of the possibility of making a mistake

  14. Ranchman says

    Mar 20, 2014 at 5:04 am

    “Therefore, as our responsibility to the Muslim Ummah in general and Muslims living in America in particular…”

    These muzzies forget on important point: not only are “many Feisal Shahzads residing inside America,” there are lots of John Waynes, Paul Reveres, and Chris Kyles living here as well. Come & get some!

    Do we really need anymore proof that islam, the religion of the devil, is at war with America and the West, despite what Nobama & Lurch say?

  15. dumbledoresarmy says

    Apr 3, 2014 at 2:11 am

    And now, for the fifth time (all previous attempts having failed to show up on the site) I am attempting to post some additional information about Fr Henri Boulad, S. J., who was mentioned above by “Mortimer” as author of a marvellous quotable quote:

    “Islamism is Islam in all its logic and all its rigour. Islamism is present in Islam as the chick is present in the egg, as the fruit is present in the flower, and as the tree is present in the seed.”

    Alarmed Pig Farmer remarked “Is this a real quote? And from a Jesuit, no less. Crouched a half-mile back in a dank cave, did I just see a glimmer of light?”

    I would say, yes.

    Henri Boulad, S.J., does indeed seem to know what Islam is. He’s no spring chicken – he’s in his 80s, but still going strong.

    Citizen Warrior says of him: “Henri Boulad has been a Catholic priest for over 40 years in Egypt. He’s now 82 and still writing and speaking worldwide. He has long spoken out about the persecution of Christians in Islamic countries, and about living as a non-Muslim in a Muslim country. A man of courage and integrity, caring, warm and intelligent, he speaks the truth from his lifetime of experience.”

    http://www.catholicregister.org/news/canada/item/16458-jesuit-criticizes-western-support-of-muslim-brotherhood-in-egypt

    Jesuit criticizes Western support of Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt

    “…The Muslim Brotherhood has a systematic plan to harass Christians, including kidnap and rape of Christian women, so they will leave Egypt, he said. When opposed, the organization claims to be victims of discrimination. They cry “Islamophobia” and it “is politically incorrect to be an Islamophobe,” Bouland said.
    “The United States, France and Great Britain are supporting this,” he said. “It’s crazy.”…”.

    Here he is on the Muslim Brotherhood, again, waxing sarcastic; article reproduced at “Citizen Warrior” –

    http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2013/08/the-poor-persecuted-muslim-brotherhood.html

    The Poor, Persecuted Muslim Brotherhood!

    by Henri Boulad, SJ, Cairo, August 17, 2013

    Judging by the content of those two articles, which I have read, I would bet good money that the quote given by Mortimer is authentic Henri Boulad.

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