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BBC drops debate on homosexuality in Islam from “Free Speech” program after mosque complaints

Mar 14, 2014 2:09 am By Robert Spencer

mosqueThis is what “free speech” means in Dhimmi Britannia today: speech that is as free as Muslims want it to be, and that stops at the point at which they begin to feel as if they are not being accorded the proper amount of “respect.” As Britain goes gently into that good night and submits ever more fully to Islamic supremacism every day, there are occasional moments of high comedy, as in the “Free Speech” program censoring itself for fear of offending Muslims. But no comedian in the once-sceptered isle would dare have a crack at it — for fear of offending Muslims.

These clowns at the BBC and the others like them in Britain (and there ae so very many) should just make Anjem Choudary Prime Minister and be done with it. All Prime Minister Choudary would do would be to keep them on the road to Sharia, down which they’re already so willingly traveling.

“BBC criticised for preventing debate on homosexuality in Islam to take place in Birmingham mosque,” by Ian Burrell for the Independent, March 13 (thanks to Milad):

The BBC is under fire for postponing a debate on homosexuality in Islam which it had planned to air in a programme titled Free Speech.

The debate was being recorded for the BBC’s youth-orientated BBC3 – which is to be controversially downgraded to an online-only channel – but was dropped after responses to a film clip featuring Asifa Lahore, billed as “Britain’s first and only” Muslim drag queen.

In the video, Asifa says: “The gay community were totally inspired and in awe that a Muslim woman dressed in a niqab had come into a gay space and was watching a cabaret drag show.” The clip ended with the drag queen putting a question to the Muslim community. “When will it be right to be Muslim and gay?”

The clip was shown to a live audience at Birmingham Central Mosque but, as it ended, Rick Edwards, the presenter of Free Speech, told the audience: “We were going to debate that question but today after speaking to the mosque they have expressed deep concerns with having this discussion here… so we’ll move on to our next question.”

He said the subject would be addressed in the next edition of the programme, which is made by Mentorn Media, the makers of Question Time.

But the decision drew angry responses on social media from viewers of a show which boasts on its website of its determination not to be cowed by taboo subjects or censorship. “Britain is a democracy where we can say what we want. So let’s say it”, is its slogan.

Blogger Raheem Kassam, of website “Breitbart London”, described it as “an excellent example of how and why the BBC fails to do its job properly”. Stephen Evans, of the National Secular Society, said: “After agreeing to allow a programme called Free Speech to be filmed at the Mosque, it is absurd and counterproductive to then censor the topic being discussed.”

In a statement, the BBC said: “BBC’s Free Speech is determined to discuss the issues that matter to its viewers. However, out of respect to the Birmingham Central Mosque, who hosted the programme, the decision was made to delay the debate on Muslim gay rights to a future programme. The topic will be raised and debated in full in the edition of Free Speech airing on 25 March.”

The debate will take place in a non-religious setting at the Broadwater Farm estate in Tottenham, north London.

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  1. Saleem Smith says

    Mar 14, 2014 at 4:50 am

    Where do Muslims find instruction on how to grow their beards?

    Where do Muslims find instruction on how to to pray? etc. etc.

    The answer is they find these instructions in what are considered the most authentic Hadith collections. The same Hadith collections that instruct Muslims to kill and hate gay people.

    Doesn’t this make Islam a tremendously homophobic religion to say the least?

    But the Qur’an is even worse. It permits sex slavery (4:24), rape (4:24), and even child molestation (65:4). But don’t forget that Islam is the perfect religion of peace and Muhammad the perfect man to be emulated in every instance. We ex-Muslims know that Islam is a complete hoax.

    Hadith, Sahih Bukhari, Vol.7, Bk.72, No.774:

    Narrated Ibn ‘Abbas:
    The Prophet cursed effeminate men (those men who are in the similitude (assume the manners of women) and those women who assume the manners of men, and he said, “Turn them out of your houses .” The Prophet turned out such-and-such man, and ‘Umar turned out such-and-such woman.

    Sunan Abu-Dawud, Book 38, Number 4447:

    Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas:
    The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: If you find anyone doing as Lot’s people did, kill the one who does it, and the one to whom it is done.

    Sunan Abu-Dawud, Book 38, Number 4448:

    Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas:
    If a man who is not married is seized committing sodomy, he will be stoned to death.

    Sunan Abu-Dawud, Book 38, Number 4449:

    Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas:
    The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: If anyone has sexual intercourse with an animal, kill him and kill it along with him. I (Ikrimah) said: I asked him (Ibn Abbas): What offence can be attributed to the animal/ He replied: I think he (the Prophet) disapproved of its flesh being eaten when such a thing had been done to it.

    Sunan Abu-Dawud, Book 38, Number 4450:

    Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas:
    There is no prescribed punishment for one who has sexual intercourse with an animal.

    Here is a recent statement from a group of Bangladeshi apostates living in the UK explaining the reasons why they have abandoned Islam:

    “One who claims to be a messenger of God is expected to live a saintly life. He must not be given to lust, he must not be a sexual pervert, and he must not be a rapist, a highway robber, a war criminal, a mass murderer or an assassin. One who claims to be a messenger of God must have a superior character. He must stand above the vices of the people of his time. Yet Muhammad’s life is that of a gangster godfather. He raided merchant caravans, looted innocent people, massacred entire male populations and enslaved the women and children. He raped the women captured in war after killing their husbands and told his followers that it is okay to have sex with their captives (Qur’an 33:50). He assassinated those who criticized him and executed them when he came to power and became de facto despot of Arabia. Muhammad was bereft of human compassion. He was an obsessed man with his dreams of grandiosity and could not forgive those who stood in his way…

    The statement continues,

    Muhammad was a narcissist, like Hitler, Saddam or Stalin. He was astute and knew how to manipulate people, but his emotional intelligence was less evolved than that of a 6-year-old child. He simply could not feel the pain of others. He brutally massacred thousands of innocent people and pillaged their wealth. His ambitions were big and as a narcissist he honestly believed he is entitled to do as he pleased and commit all sorts of crimes and his evil deeds are justified. ”

    http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Islam_and_Homosexuality

    • Jerry says

      Mar 14, 2014 at 5:00 am

      If we foolly follow the Qur’an and the Hadith, we would still be wiping ourselves with deser pebbles in between caravan robbing plundering murdering and raping raids, all for the sake of “Allah” and booty.

    • Defcon 4 says

      Mar 14, 2014 at 2:04 pm

      Thank you for posting your honest and knowledgeable thoughts on the evil that is islam.

    • Mr. Dude says

      Mar 14, 2014 at 7:49 pm

      “Muhammad was a narcissist, like Hitler, Saddam or Stalin.”
      Agreed!
      Is he the narcissist that said “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.” In other words: “it’s all about me, me, ME!”
      Arguably a better way would be “MORALITY is the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through morality and good works”. Leaving out the narcissism.

      • SyKa says

        Mar 14, 2014 at 8:02 pm

        Mr. Dude thinks he’s clever and says, “Is he the narcissist that said “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.””

        The only problem with that is Christians believe Jesus is the Son of God and part of their Trinity. So in context those comments aren’t narcissistic. They’re simply statements of fact (biblically speaking).

        Muhammad is not considered a god by anyone. Nor are is his demands purely spiritual. Most of them benefit him materially (e.g. providing him with 1/5 of the booty).

        • thomas_h says

          Mar 14, 2014 at 8:27 pm

          SyKa,
          I haven’t seen you posting here before. If you are completely new I would like to make you aware of that Mr.Dude is a local village idiot/village atheist.

          If being a local village idiot doesn’t prevent him from seeing the simple point you are making, being a village atheist kicks in and does the job.

          It is useless trying to reason with him, but it can be fun to kick his butt if you are bored (I think he likes it).
          Otherwise he is quite harmless.

        • Mr. Dude says

          Mar 14, 2014 at 8:33 pm

          Yes, SyKa, good point about Mohammad. Qur’an 8:41 starts out with “And know that anything you obtain of war booty – then indeed, for Allah is one fifth of it and for the Messenger and for [his] near relatives….”

          It sounds like Mohammad just INVENTED Islam so he didn’t have to work any more, so that people would just put him up and feed him! Is there another person, who was, a carpenter I think, who invented a different Abrahamic faith so that followers would put him up and feed him so he didn’t have to work at the hard, low paying, thankless (vs. being a “prophet!), and dangerous job of being a carpenter? Just a thought.

        • Mr. Dude says

          Mar 15, 2014 at 1:01 pm

          “The only problem with that is Christians believe Jesus is the Son of God and part of their Trinity. So in context those comments aren’t narcissistic. They’re simply statements of fact (biblically speaking).”

          SyKa, a moral Modern Secular Humanist, if they had god/jesus’ magic super-hero super-powers, would change the rules so that instead of having worshipping on person as the so criteria to get into “heaven”, it would be BEING MORAL AND DOING GOOD WORKS.

          Which makes more sense to base the ultimate decision (who gets “paradise” and who gets savage eternal torture) on:
          1. Winning the super-hero lottery by lucking out and picking which of the tens of thousands of super-heroes in history is the one true one (when no jury-level of evidence is given for ANY of them).
          OR
          2. How moral one is and what good works they do.

          A sane person has to agree that it’s #2, and that the Abrahamic faiths (#1) are just fairy tales meant to control people. For instance, Mohammad in Q8:41 said to give a certain % of the booty plundered (I’m not joking) to HIM.

      • Jay Boo says

        Mar 15, 2014 at 11:59 am

        THE SKUNK MR DUDE IS BACK
        HE IS TRYING TO HIDE ISLAM’S STINK
        WITH DIVERSION AND A PILE OF FLACK

        • Jay Boo says

          Mar 15, 2014 at 12:38 pm

          MR. Dude compliment is deceitful and self=serving
          [Yes, SyKa, good point about Mohammad.]

          His only intention is to use it as a Segway
          to get the last sentence of his paragraph in reference to Jesus

        • JIMJFOX says

          Mar 16, 2014 at 4:50 am

          Mr Dude- how can he be both an atheist AND Islamic apologist???

          You Christian bigots need to look at your own ridiculous beliefs before attacking others. Even the Pope has failed to satisfactorily explain the Trinity. YOU are the original IDIOTS.

          I have NO ‘faith’ to influence my truth- you’d do well to ditch yours.

      • cheekturner says

        Mar 15, 2014 at 5:47 pm

        Sounds to me that Mr. Dud would be happy following Superman………. or was that really Mudhutmad?
        Fool!

  2. Jerry says

    Mar 14, 2014 at 4:56 am

    Fifty years ago the BBC was a world widerespected and reliable source of information.

    Today there is no more “Free Speech” on the BBC.

    It was taken over by the Lunatic Left and Islamist and Jihaddist appollogists.

    And on the BBC TV normal and moderate indigenous British people have become a rarity.

    Over the years the British have been selling their heritage to the Islamist Arabs, Pakistanis and Asians and Africans.

    When will this all stop?

  3. zhingisender says

    Mar 14, 2014 at 5:35 am

    testint

  4. zhingisender says

    Mar 14, 2014 at 5:40 am

    The BBC’s Royal Charter comes up for review in 2016 – perhaps it should apply for a Medina Charter instead. Here is its programme schedule that might help it along the way:

    FGM Watch

    Live from Trafalgar Square: Infidel beheading

    Niqab’d news readers

    Grand Halal Bake Off

    The Stoning

    Fatwas from Lancashire

    More infidel beheading

    Self-detonating Come Dancing

    Postal voter fraud: How to make the dead count

    Rape Jihad

    Crucify a dhimmi

    • Defcon 4 says

      Mar 14, 2014 at 2:05 pm

      What? There’s not going to be any antisemitic programming content like they have in the PA and Egyptistan?

    • Kalliope says

      Mar 14, 2014 at 3:08 pm

      @zhingisender

      Okay, “Grand Halal Bake Off” and “Fatwas from Lancashire” made me laugh!
      However, don’t be surprised if someone actually steals your idea about the Bake Off…

  5. Hawy says

    Mar 14, 2014 at 5:53 am

    Why must Religion be homophobic? These ancient unevolved moralities are always getting in the way of real ethics. I mean, women are generally liberated today not because of Religion, but in spite of it. From Uganda to Britain, archaic laws are haunting the modern times, Britain must kick Islam out.

    • voegelinian says

      Mar 14, 2014 at 5:18 pm

      Here we go again — another Equivalencist Drive-By from another Closet Christophobe.

    • Mr. Dude says

      Mar 14, 2014 at 7:45 pm

      Great post.
      Then can we just all AGREE that any texts that say that women are, say, worth 1/2 a man, are immoral, unfair, and need to be abandoned? To say that Islam should be abandoned (we all agree on that), but to not say other texts that say the same (and sometimes worse) thing are just fine and dandy is the peak of hypocrisy, correct?

      • Mr. Dude says

        Mar 14, 2014 at 7:45 pm

        “Hawy” gets it.

      • PJG says

        Mar 15, 2014 at 5:15 am

        I’ve met people like you before. Just annoying. I don’t even know how to say why, and I couldn’t be bothered even if I knew how. I don’t want to waste my brainpower. There are hundreds of rules of logic refuting your nonsense.
        Please grow up or go away. I don’t know how you get through the day.

  6. fair_dinkum says

    Mar 14, 2014 at 7:24 am

    its a dangerous subject, because gay rights worldwide rarely come closer to this
    position outside islam , and especially in the west.

    one day soon, some brave gay rights activist ( and lets look at facts, many gay men and women do hold powerful positions in business, media and govt) some brave activist will start a domino/snow ball effect , and it will be the start of a western cultural revolution. islams other ‘foibles’ would become easier to address. one can hope.

    it took a lot of bravery and damnation. but they kept hoping. so thinking outside the square (i alnost said box. ) thinking, maybe gay rights will be overtested soon, and theyll be aggressive and tactically well prepared. and make the first (i almost said blow) strike in a cultural revolution.

    it is honestly astounding that womens and gay rights activists are not (on top) covering this. not asking and not addressing. both groups (honest again) do hold a lot of public, political and even personal. protection. in other words, in many or most western countries, as well as elsewhere in the world, these groups are;

    well funded

    taken seriously and with respect and even bias and favour by govt

    well prepared tactically. they both have done all of this before.

    well educated and well connected.

    have legal and society favour

    we all know that many men and women in islam have to live double or secretive lives.. and risk brutal treatment by others. and i always assumed that many of the rapes, beheadings. and most suicide bombings are committed by repressed gay moslems. the bigger the jihad, the more repressed theyve been.

    maybe

    this was a response to the fact that i dont get alarmed by any of islams outrageous beliefs, statements and medieval ways. not any more.

    my thinking quickly turns to a solution and maybe a wishful one.
    it wont be won in a sudden, conclusive war. it will be decades.

    and groups like the womans and gay rights, will be emboldened to follow their lead. from sports people to singers etc.

    we outnumber you still. the rest of us. from atheist to Antioch.

    thats a catchy way to end.

    • Defcon 4 says

      Mar 14, 2014 at 2:13 pm

      You do realize that Germany didn’t turn Nazi overnight right? The Nazis only had to control the things that mattered to make Germany into a Nazi state. Once you control the government, law enforcement and the courts you’ll have an islamic state — whether or not the majority of people are muslime or not. It’s what happened in Lebanon. It’s what’s happening in Europe/Eurabia.

  7. judith roth says

    Mar 14, 2014 at 7:28 am

    @ zhingisender – ha, your comment gave me a good laugh. However, this is really no laughing matter and in a few years time, this might be the norm. What a terrifying world we are living in. Gd help our children and grandchildren.

  8. islamhasgottago says

    Mar 14, 2014 at 7:38 am

    Someone has pointed this very important point out on another blog –

    The 2nd question according to the programs own most voted for list,
    “should more be done to protect female genital mutilation victims, and to prosecute those responsible?”

    the “leader-board” questions for that particular show is clearly shown
    at 3mins 23 seconds … note the SECOND question
    There are usually about 6 or 7 questions aired on those shows,
    where was it?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b03y6m8y/Free_Speech_Series_3_Episode_1/

  9. tpellow says

    Mar 14, 2014 at 7:56 am

    The BBC gives special preferential treatment to Islam.

    During this week, as well as giving a mosque exemption from ‘free speech,’ the BBC has also put out a long article on-line, pushing the propaganda that an Islamikaze (who had been ostensibly living in England), and who perpetrated a massacre in Syria, was a ‘hero’.

  10. bobm says

    Mar 14, 2014 at 7:57 am

    In title picture beginning of this article:.. the mosque tower right ironically has the appearance of the alien walking destroyer ships on legs in famous book and movie “War of the worlds”. I have no doubt they and their offspring will meet exactly the same fate when they face the TRUTH in Christ SOON.

  11. Medina says

    Mar 14, 2014 at 8:34 am

    Noting all the previous comments here, let me say this: I know a large number of homosexuals through my profession. Whenever the subject of rights for gays is raised, the homosexuals in question are more likely to condemn Christianity over baking a cake, etc. They are strangely ignorant of the Islamic punishments levied on those in their community throughout the world. There are many powerful and popular people in this city who are homosexual and feminist types. Neither of these social groups, for all their smarts, seem to be aware of their real enemy.

    • voegelinian says

      Mar 14, 2014 at 5:22 pm

      Indeed. Too many Western people — particularly Western people whose hearts and minds are attached to various PC MC concerns (gay rights — now it’s politically correct to call it “LGBT” which I refuse to do) — are perversely myopic and in denial about the astronomically worse problem and danger of Islam.

      When a person rationally recognizes a problem is astronomically worse, what that means concretely is that they cease whining about Christianity (or “religion” in general) and re-allocate all their energies, attention and focus onto Islam.

      • thomas_h says

        Mar 14, 2014 at 8:02 pm

        “When a person rationally recognizes a problem is astronomically worse …they cease whining about Christianity (or “religion” in general) and re-allocate all their energies, attention and focus onto Islam.

        Exactly, Hesp. That’s why the “whiners” should be considered “islam’s useful idiots”. Which makes them our enemy.

  12. pongidae rex says

    Mar 14, 2014 at 9:02 am

    Multi-culturalism is the stealth path to totalitarianism. The only way a government can maintain order while subsidizing the mass immigration of people who subscribe to a violent, supremacist and intolerant ideology is by abrogating the freedoms of speech and assembly which might cause offense to the new arrivals. Worse, it is inevitable that the government will engage in policys that deliberately favor the most extreme elements of immigrant intolerance in order to form an ‘alliance’ facilitating the maintenance of civil order. To this end, the native population will find themselves openly discriminated against in ‘affirmative action’ campaigns, and any critizism of fanaticism will be branded ‘hate speech’ and punished as a crime even as imported ‘hate preachers’ spew calls to murder in crowded mosques with impunity. What is happening in front of our eyes today is stuff even George Orwell could not have imagined in his darkest fantasies.

    • voegelinian says

      Mar 14, 2014 at 5:25 pm

      “Multi-culturalism is the stealth path to totalitarianism.”

      You make a grievous error here — as do quite a few in the Counter-Jihad — when you fail to see how broad and deep PC MC is. You are delimiting the problem to some kind of Dastardly Macchiavellian Cabal of Elites. This reflects an important failure to see the actual nature and dimensions of the problem we face where (just to pick one aspect out of many) millions of Ordinary Non-Elite People, many of them not Leftists, are also pleasantly myopic about the problem of Islam — and often will go the extra mile to put up resistance and flack and chide you if you try to talk too much to them about your concerns about Islam.

  13. mortimer says

    Mar 14, 2014 at 10:47 am

    Free speech is dead in Britain at this time. The government has unofficially declared the country to be in a state of APPREHENDED INSURRECTION, so civil liberties are restricted, especially free expression.

    The government is lying to its citizens about freedom. To defend ‘PUBLIC ORDER’, the government of UK has simply cancelled free speech, so the MUZZIES DON’T TEAR THE PLACE APART WHEN THEY HEAR SOMETHING THEY DISLIKE.

    The 3% of Muslims in UK are expected to TEAR UK APART if they don’t get what they want.

  14. mortimer says

    Mar 14, 2014 at 10:49 am

    BBC rightly fears jihadic terrorism. BBC is caving to the heckler’s veto.

    This is a tacit admission that Islam is inherently supremacist and violent.

    • Mr. Dude says

      Mar 14, 2014 at 7:40 pm

      Yes, Islam is that, and much much worse.

      • Jay Boo says

        Mar 15, 2014 at 12:08 pm

        Mr. Dude posing as anti-Islam again are you.
        Can’t wait to see what you try sleaze-in yet again

  15. Judi says

    Mar 14, 2014 at 10:50 am

    @ islamhasgottago – and we here in the UK have to pay £145 for a tv licence for this crap. So few people tune in to BBC3 that they are axing it in the near future.

  16. Salah says

    Mar 14, 2014 at 11:15 am

    “When will it be right to be Muslim and gay?”

    The founder of Islam has the answer:
    http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2012/10/was-muhammad-gay.html

  17. Hawy says

    Mar 14, 2014 at 11:40 am

    @Fair_dinkum

    Your Western cultural revolution idea being kickstarted by a brave gay leader seems to be possible way to go, but as far as politics go, any gay political leader is bound to lose voters’ admiration, we live in a world where Religion is still among the major emotional forces. Since both Islam and Christianity condemn the practice of homosexuality, it might take us decades to bring our societies to true freedom, the next generation of western citizens are somewhere ‘right now’ being indoctrinated with stories about how Allah’ al-arsh shakes whenever sodomy is practiced, or how Sodom and Gomorah were destroyed due to said lewd practice.

    • fair_dinkum says

      Mar 15, 2014 at 5:43 am

      you are projecting an American, Bible Belt cliche. i wont say whos book is better and leave it with a few quotes. its what the moslems themselves do. which makes it a slinging match. (the old joke, youcan barely read or write but your quoting verses from Leviticus? yep, welcome to America)

      politics in the US is a strange business. it would be political suicide to admit you dont believe in god, when so many of your founding fathers, very early on, rejected a blend of state and church, calling that madness and worse. Davis, Adams, even Washington and certainly Ben Franklin were pretty much Atheists.

      the rest of the world just isnt like that.

  18. Mr. Dude says

    Mar 14, 2014 at 1:10 pm

    It’s terrible that the Islamic texts teach to kill gays. Barbaric, actually! If some ancient texts are so disgusting to actually say to kill innocent people like that, then obviously people should leave that belief system.

    Is Islam the only Abrahamic faith whose texts say to kill gays (since the Abrahamic faiths are so similar in other ways it might make sense that they also do say to kill gays)? Do they?

    • gravenimage says

      Mar 14, 2014 at 3:33 pm

      “Mr. Dude” wrote:

      Is Islam the only Abrahamic faith whose texts say to kill gays (since the Abrahamic faiths are so similar in other ways it might make sense that they also do say to kill gays)? Do they?
      …………………………….

      More tedious false moral equivalence from “Mr. Dude”. It isn’t Jews and Christians who are demanding that discussion of gay rights in Britain be censored.

      And worse: here’s an Islamic cleric in Britain:

      “It’s OK to kill gays — British imam”

      http://www.jihadwatch.org/2006/10/its-ok-to-kill-gays-british-imam

      There are no Jewish Rabbis or Christian Priests or Ministers making similar calls.

      “Mr. Dude’s” unending implication that Judaism and Christianity are as bad or worse than Islam is just bs, and ultimately is just another form of Muslim apologia.

      • Wellington says

        Mar 14, 2014 at 5:09 pm

        I concur, gravenimage. Mr. Dude’s equivalency reasoning is irrelevant and stupid. Idiots abound but some of the worst of them are those who try to equate Christianity and Judaism with Islam.

        • Angemon says

          Mar 14, 2014 at 5:33 pm

          Particularly when their point is that christians and jews can not criticise people getting killed in islamic countries for something that’s not even a crime on judaic-christian based cultures. It’s Islamic Apologism 101 – Deflection. Try asking any muslim cleric in the West what’s the penalty for homosexuality. I assure you his reply start with “Similar to what it was prescribed in the OT…”

        • gravenimage says

          Mar 15, 2014 at 12:29 am

          Wellington wrote:

          I concur, gravenimage. Mr. Dude’s equivalency reasoning is irrelevant and stupid. Idiots abound but some of the worst of them are those who try to equate Christianity and Judaism with Islam.
          …………………………….

          I believe it’s even worse than irrelevant and stupid, Wellington. I believe it is deliberate Muslim apologia by false comparison on “Mr. Dude’s” part—what he is positing goes *way* beyond the usual instances of false moral equivalence we see. And I agree that he’s and idiot—but he also has an agenda.

          Angemon wrote:

          It’s Islamic Apologism 101 – Deflection.
          …………………………….

          Spot on, Angemon.

      • Mr. Dude says

        Mar 14, 2014 at 7:14 pm

        “There are no Jewish Rabbis or Christian Priests or Ministers making similar calls. ”

        I’m afraid you’re well-intended, but not correct at all. Regarding Uganda’s continuing Abrahamic-faith-inspired new law to imprison or even kill gays: “A special motion to introduce the legislation was passed a month after a two-day conference was held in which three American Christians asserted that homosexuality is a direct threat to the cohesion of African families.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uganda_Anti-Homosexuality_Act,_2014

        Apparently a Modern Secular Humanist has the moral courage to say it, but followers of the Abrahamic faiths do not?: ALL TEXTS THAT SAY TO KILL/HARM/IMPRISON GAYS ARE IMMORAL, PERIOD!
        I could be proven wrong, however, if followers of the Abrahamic faiths (Islam is one of the Abrahamic faiths, too, so Islam certainly does not get a pass!) will say that as well.

        • cheekturner says

          Mar 15, 2014 at 5:59 pm

          You wrongly assume that Islime is an Abrahamic Faith. It is not by any stretch of the imagination, even yours Mr. Dud, a Faith at all. Therefore your implications concerning Abrahamic Faiths and Islime are baseless. Try again Dud!

      • Mr. Dude says

        Mar 14, 2014 at 7:19 pm

        We all agree that Islam is HORRIFIC. Mohammad, scum of the earth! But you don’t fight Islam’s text that say to killing gay, are violent texts, have crazy supernatural stuff in them, and teach hatred of women, etc. with a different belief system that teaches much THE SAME THING! With all due respect, it would be like fighting Islam’s anti-semitism with NAZI anti-semitism…..that would be dumb.

        • thomas_h says

          Mar 14, 2014 at 7:49 pm

          “We all agree that Islam is HORRIFIC.”
          But we all (except you) agree that you are an IDIOT.

          Which means:
          A. You are not among “We all”
          B. Our and your understanding of Islam (and Christianity) must be quite different.
          C. Get lost.

    • Jay Boo says

      Mar 15, 2014 at 12:10 pm

      Anti Islam intro
      to set up a false equivalence

      • Jay Boo says

        Mar 15, 2014 at 12:12 pm

        In reference to Mr. Dude’s repeated tactic of
        Anti Islam intro
        to set up a false equivalence

  19. Hawy says

    Mar 14, 2014 at 2:53 pm

    The OT has it.

    Lev. 20:13, “If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them.”

    • Mr. Dude says

      Mar 14, 2014 at 7:24 pm

      If a passage like this was in a book by Richard Dawkins or Sam Harris, would Modern Secular Humanists do A or B?
      A. Remove it, and say that the authors were simply immoral people!
      Or
      B. Not care about their children enough so they’d just leave it in there and shrug their shoulders about a passage that has about a 4% chance of implying that a, child of theirs, is so vile, so immoral, that they DESERVE DEATH.

      This is where Dawkins/Harris stand up for human rights and where Jesus/Mohammad unfortunately didn’t care about human rights.

      • Jay Boo says

        Mar 15, 2014 at 12:15 pm

        Mr. Dude yet again ending throwing out a diversion only to end on a false equivalence.

        Read the last sentence of his posts to save time

      • gravenimage says

        Mar 16, 2014 at 3:39 pm

        “Mr. Dude” wrote:

        If a passage like this was in a book by Richard Dawkins or Sam Harris, would Modern Secular Humanists do A or B?
        A. Remove it, and say that the authors were simply immoral people!…
        ……………………………

        “Mr. Dude” either understands nothing about publishing and freedom of expression, or else he hopes that we do not.

        The idea that readers can remove passages from books written and published by other people is false. Is he then suggesting that those offended threaten and force the authors and publishers to censor their own work?

        *Who does this?* Just the kind of censorious Muslims who are exposed in the story above.

        In the free West, we should have the right to criticize any book, including texts considered sacred by one group or another.

        In the case of works in the public domain, we even have the right to issue our own versions of such texts. But we do not have the right to force the bowdlerization of any of these works.

        I might—or might not—disagree with any of the works of Richard Dawkins or Sam Harris or any other author, but I would *never* consider it my right to force them to change their words.

  20. gravenimage says

    Mar 14, 2014 at 3:18 pm

    BBC drops debate on homosexuality in Islam from “Free Speech” program after mosque complaints
    ……………………………….

    Good God—can’t they see the hypocrisy of calling this program “Free Speech” under these circumstances? Even worse, the British public is apt to be lulled into a false sense of security—after all, how can free speech be under fire in the UK, when you have BBC programs explicitly titled “Free Speech”?

    More:

    This is what “free speech” means in Dhimmi Britannia today: speech that is as free as Muslims want it to be, and that stops at the point at which they begin to feel as if they are not being accorded the proper amount of “respect.”
    ……………………………….

    Yes—dhimmis are adhering to Shari’ah strictures on freedom of speech more and more, both out of “political correctness” and—n doubt—out of fear of violent Muslim response if they *don’t toe the line.

    More:

    As Britain goes gently into that good night and submits ever more fully to Islamic supremacism every day, there are occasional moments of high comedy, as in the “Free Speech” program censoring itself for fear of offending Muslims. But no comedian in the once-sceptered isle would dare have a crack at it — for fear of offending Muslims.
    ……………………………….

    Yes, it’s comedic—but the comedy is pretty damn dark. And comedians have already shown that virtually none of them dare to pole fun at the absurdities of Islam. Remember South Park and Molly Norris?

    More:

    “BBC criticised for preventing debate on homosexuality in Islam to take place in Birmingham mosque”

    The BBC is under fire for postponing a debate on homosexuality in Islam which it had planned to air in a programme titled Free Speech.
    ……………………………….

    At least some in Britain are criticizing this—that’s at least a somewhat hopeful sign—the UK isn’t completely dead yet.

    More:

    The clip ended with the drag queen putting a question to the Muslim community. “When will it be right to be Muslim and gay?”
    ……………………………….

    Given the fact that the only two “Palestinian” gay rights’ groups are headquartered.,.in Israel, I would say that Asifa should not hold her breath. (It’s also unclear how a woman can be a “drag queen”—but if a Muslim man tried it, he would probably have been stoned to death by now…)

    More:

    But the decision drew angry responses on social media from viewers of a show which boasts on its website of its determination not to be cowed by taboo subjects or censorship…
    ……………………………….

    What utter hypocrites.

    More:

    In a statement, the BBC said: “BBC’s Free Speech is determined to discuss the issues that matter to its viewers. However, out of respect to the Birmingham Central Mosque, who hosted the programme, the decision was made to delay the debate on Muslim gay rights to a future programme…
    ……………………………….

    How Orwellian is this?

    • thomas_h says

      Mar 14, 2014 at 7:21 pm

      “Good God—can’t they see the hypocrisy of calling this program “Free Speech” under these circumstances?”

      How Orwellian is this?

    • inquisador says

      Mar 16, 2014 at 1:53 pm

      How Orwellian?

      Well since the debate is only postponed for a short time:- not very Orwellian.

      If it had been cancelled:- then very Orwellian.

  21. tpellow says

    Mar 14, 2014 at 6:42 pm

    Britain today:-

    “British Muslim couple jailed for ‘offensive in the extreme’ YouTube videos that glorified murder of Fusilier Lee Rigby”

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2581162/British-Muslim-couple-jailed-offensive-extreme-YouTube-videos-glorified-murder-Fusilier-Lee-Rigby.html#ixzz2vynBsZ7q

    • Mr. Dude says

      Mar 14, 2014 at 7:36 pm

      “British Muslim couple jailed for ‘offensive in the extreme’ YouTube videos that glorified murder of Fusilier Lee Rigby” -tpellow

      Christians, don’t ban free speech or we’re being no better than your fellow Abrahamic faith followers (Muslims) that we’re complaining about in this thread! If certain sentiments on this forum could be mined for HYPOCRISY, then we could solve the energy crisis overnight! (I’m not necessarily implying tpellow, himself, wants to squash that video, however, he’s just the messenger…..correct?)

      If Britain can be considered a “Christian nation” today, then Modern Secular Humanism is far more a friend of free speech than Christianity is….or am I wrong about this? Let me know. Dawkins advocates free speech.

      • gravenimage says

        Mar 15, 2014 at 1:11 am

        More unending crap from “Mr. Dude”:

        Christians, don’t ban free speech or we’re being no better than your fellow Abrahamic faith followers (Muslims) that we’re complaining about in this thread! If certain sentiments on this forum could be mined for HYPOCRISY, then we could solve the energy crisis overnight!
        …………………………………

        Where to start? Firstly, the idea that Britain is acting as a Christian theocracy here is simply ludicrous. The UK’s laws are secular.

        And then, look at what he is comparing—the case above—a peaceful discussion about rights being suppressed in deference to Shari’ah, and *calls for murder*.

        The videos this Mohammedan pair produced didn’t just glorify Lee Rigby’s murder and gloat over the effect the terrible murder has had on those who loved him—bad enough—it *directly called for more murders*. This, from the Daily Mail article:

        “Dawson rants at how British troops in London would be killed”.

        In the United States, to be subject to restriction, speech must have the intent and the likelihood of causing imminent violence.

        That is, a direct exhortation to commit a crime—in this case, to commit *mass murder*.

        The idea that the only people who would have any problem with incitement to murder are censorious Christians is ridiculous.

        In fact, the implication that secular humanists are fine with murder and incitement to murder is, in fact, grotesque calumny.

        • Mr. Dude says

          Mar 15, 2014 at 6:23 pm

          No, not acting as a theocracy, but it is a Christian-majority nation historically, and they are insanely putting people in jail for voicing an opinion, or denying them access to the nation for fighting against the Jihad (Robert/Pamela). Britain is lost.

        • gravenimage says

          Mar 15, 2014 at 10:11 pm

          More slick moral equivalence from “Mr. Dude”—here positing Britain’s banning of non-violent, truth-telling defenders of human rights as one and the same with their trying those calling for bloody mass-murder of military personnel in the streets and the resulting replacement of civilized British law with bloody Shari’ah.

      • Jay Boo says

        Mar 15, 2014 at 12:16 pm

        IRRELAVANT DIVERSION FROM THE TOPIC

        • Jay Boo says

          Mar 15, 2014 at 12:17 pm

          IN REFERENCE TO MR. DUDE

      • cheekturner says

        Mar 15, 2014 at 6:03 pm

        Wrong again Mr. Dud! Islime is not a Faith.

  22. Mr. Dude says

    Mar 14, 2014 at 7:30 pm

    ““Similar to what it was prescribed in the OT…” – Angemon

    I’m glad I have a belief system that Muslims can’t look at, to justify their the atrocities, and simply say “well, your belief system says the same thing, so STFU!”. The first step in trying to tackle Muslims atrocities (and there are many of course!) is to pick a belief system that doesn’t have any of the atrocities in it. Seems logical, of course. Else one is committing hypocrisy. Dawkins picked a belief system like that, but Abraham/Jesus/Moses did not, unfortunately.

    • Jay Boo says

      Mar 15, 2014 at 12:19 pm

      ONCE AGAIN MR DUDES LAST SENTENCE GIVE AWAY HIS TRUE INTENTION
      WHAT A STINKY LIAR

  23. voegelinian says

    Mar 14, 2014 at 7:55 pm

    Why is Mr. Dude still here? And isn’t it odd that just as Mr. Dude may be singing his swan song, a suspiciously convenient tag-teamer (Lord Haw-Haw-Hawy) pops up just in time to carry the Equivalencist torch.

    • Mr. Dude says

      Mar 14, 2014 at 8:09 pm

      I guarantee you that Hawy and I are not involved in some sort of, say, conspiracy (or whatever), in any way at all.
      More and more people are starting to see that Islam and the other Abrahamic faiths are not what’s best for the world. Sam Harris’ “Letter to a Christian Nation” would be a good read to start to understand why I say that (someone like Hawy might agree.) But it’s just my opinion, and I value your input, too, voegelinian.

      • cheekturner says

        Mar 15, 2014 at 6:06 pm

        You really are dense Mr. Dud. Islime is not an Abrahamic Faith. Like you it is just more dung from the goatherd desert dwellers.

    • thomas_h says

      Mar 14, 2014 at 8:11 pm

      “Lord Haw-Haw-Hawy”

      Just thought about it, but you beat me to it.

    • dumbledoresarmy says

      Mar 14, 2014 at 8:20 pm

      I’ve seen that moniker – “Hawy” – before. Quite a few times. Last year, I think; at least far back.

      I’m not defending or excusing that poster, or agreeing with him/her, I’m simply stating a fact: I have a good memory for names, and I think “Hawy” has posted here more than once previously; some time ago, before the renovation/ redecoration of the website which has a/ caused many posters to vanish (some have had difficulty logging in and are taking time to find their way around the new premises) b/ caused many to reappear but with new monikers (e.g. yourself) and c/ caused many *new* posters to come on board…and – which is most welcome – some *old* (really old) regulars who had disappeared for ages, possibly because they were having major problems posting under the old setup as it had developed, who have found the new setup easier to use.

    • Mirren10 says

      Mar 14, 2014 at 8:29 pm

      To paraphrase Miss Austen, that fatuous twat ‘mr dude’ doesn’t deserve the compliment of rational opposition.

      Personally, I’d just ignore him. He’ll soon scutter off if no-one pays him any attention.

      • Mr. Dude says

        Mar 14, 2014 at 8:44 pm

        “doesn’t deserve the compliment of rational opposition.” – Mirren10

        Whoa! That’s one of ROBERT’S (very valid) claims about the Islamic opposition, that they say the same thing you just said, as an excuse to not debate Robert! I believe that Robert’s view is best, and yours is, I’m sorry to say, not the best way. MORE discussion, not less. So show how my evidence is wrong, etc., in stead of running off. You’ll look more confident in your beliefs when you can stand up and back them up with facts, like I (at least try) to do.

      • thomas_h says

        Mar 14, 2014 at 9:25 pm

        “… that fatuous twat ‘mr dude’ doesn’t deserve the compliment of rational opposition.””

        LOL!
        Beautifully put!
        LOL again!

  24. Mr. Dude says

    Mar 14, 2014 at 8:40 pm

    thomas_h, I’ve seen a pattern in your posts about me: you just ridicule, w/out giving sound, substantive rebuttals to back up your claims, and never providing evidence. The best way to debate is to provide facts that refute what I say, my friend, not just attacking the messenger, as such.
    Have a great day.

    • ecosse14 says

      Mar 14, 2014 at 8:51 pm

      mr dude would not recognise a fact if it bit him in the arse…….only saying like

      • Mr. Dude says

        Mar 14, 2014 at 9:11 pm

        My comment obviously applies to you, as well as thomas_h, as your post shows, I’m afraid.
        If one doesn’t have the facts on their side, then they often attack the messenger.

        Example:
        Statement: “Islam and Christianity both apparently hate Hindus so much that they both feel that Hindus ultimately deserve punishment (“hell”) worse than Hitler ever meted out to anyone. That’s not love, that’s pure hatred.”
        Reply: “You’re a poopy-pants!”

        You are better than that, ecosse14, so I know you can bring facts/logic to the table instead of just attacks.

        • ecosse1314 says

          Mar 14, 2014 at 9:29 pm

          Sadly like all your facts that reply was not sent by me.I await your grovelling apology.I bet MR Dawkins wouldnt make such an error

        • thomas_h says

          Mar 14, 2014 at 9:39 pm

          “If one doesn’t have the facts on their side, then they often attack the messenger.”

          And the most prominent fact about that “messenger” is that the messenger is a “fatuous twat that doesn’t deserve the compliment of rational opposition.”

          So let me say it again, Mr.Dud: Get thee behind me, stupid

    • thomas_h says

      Mar 14, 2014 at 10:08 pm

      You’ve “seen the pattern in my posts about you”?! No kidding! Finally!
      Now we are getting somewhere.
      OK, the next step is for you to see the pattern in all these posts about you sent in by others. Once, and if, you see that pattern you should discover it is identical with the pattern you spotted with me. Now don’t get discouraged if you won’t succeed immediately – try to remember you are an idiot and therefore need more time.
      I dare to assume that if you are successful with that task you will stop polluting the blog with your inanities and disappear forever. But I admit there is a great chance I am overestimating you.
      Now, get lost.

  25. ecosse1314 says

    Mar 14, 2014 at 9:45 pm

    Thomas…….stop being so nice to him……btw apparently he likes to be called Mr Poopy Pants……must be something to do with that nice Mr Dawkins

    • Mr. Dude says

      Mar 14, 2014 at 9:59 pm

      A little advice, if I may. A positive response, versus just the personal attacks against the messenger, would be if you guys could say something like the following (otherwise I’m afraid you’re not much better than Muslims who refuse to improve the texts of THEIR belief system):
      “Mr. Dude, I’ll have you know that I REMOVED the parts of my family’s Bible that say to kill gays, because I care about people so much.”

      Now THAT would speak volumes to all the logical, reasoned, readers of this forum, who also believe in common sense.

      • voegelinian says

        Mar 15, 2014 at 2:48 pm

        Someone please strangle Mr. Dude with a piano wire.

        • Mr. Dude says

          Mar 15, 2014 at 3:47 pm

          I hate to say it, but that sounds like a typical Christian/Muslims response (kill someone), since Christians/Muslims believe that the ultimate authority (Allah/god) was perfectly JUSTIFIED in killing every innocent baby human, every innocent animal baby, in the (non-existent) “flood”. KILL, don’t work to change the behavior….that’s of course what Allah/god would have worked hard to do if he was compassionate like Modern Secular Humanism is. Use his magic powers to show the wayward humans a better way, be a role model to them….instead he just slaughters them. God committed more “collateral damage” than even the Crusader forces in Iraq/Afghanistan recently. Not compassionate. Uncreative. Never condemned by Mohammad/Jesus! I of course would do it a better way, because I’m guided by the compassion of Modern Secular Humanism, instead of the fear and superstition of religions that believe that donkeys can talk.
          Have a great day.

        • Mr. Dude says

          Mar 15, 2014 at 3:50 pm

          I believe that personal threats get people banned from this great forum.
          You sound no better than Mohammad, I’m afraid, who approved of critics of his getting killed, such as Asma B. Marwan. We both agree that you are better than Mohammad, so let’s move beyond Mohammad/Jesus-like tactics of trying to put FEAR into people’s hearts, shall we.

    • thomas_h says

      Mar 14, 2014 at 10:16 pm

      Thanks, ecosse1314, I shall remember that.

      Well, Mr. Poopy Pants is very neat! Ha, ha, ha!

      “Nice Mr. Dawkins” – applied to that little totalitarian wannabe philosopher, who pooped his pants when challenged to a public debate by William Craig is quite funny too.

      • Mr. Dude says

        Mar 14, 2014 at 11:35 pm

        We agree on that!
        I’d love to see Dawkins wipe the floor with Craig. They HAVE jousted before on stage, here, but not head to head: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uaq6ORDx1C4

        It would be as much of a massacre as when Robert Spencer debates Muslims. Unfortunately, Dawkins has used the same lame excuse to avoid debating Craig that Muslims use to AVOID debating Robert. I’m not really buying Dawkin’s argument, but since Dawkins is so much more respected (one believes in science, and one believes a book is true that has a talking donkey in it) than Craig that I guess I at least SEE where Dawkins is coming from. But Craig is so insane (I think that nutter thinks the world is 6000 years old like the Bible implies!) that it would be a bloodbath.

        I’ve heard Dawkins won’t debate Ray “Banana Man” Comfort for the same lame reason. But that’s actually a good thing because Ray Comfort would be so devastated debating someone with a brain that he’d probably try to “be with the lord” (using a gun in his mouth) sooner than planned.

        • Jay Boo says

          Mar 15, 2014 at 12:23 pm

          Another pile of diversion
          “¡Basta Ya!”

        • thomas_h says

          Mar 15, 2014 at 3:21 pm

          ”I’d love to see Dawkins wipe the floor with Craig.

          I know you would love to see so many things, doody, but that’s not enough for the thing to actually be.
          You would also love to NOT to see that the floor of the JW was wiped clean with you by at least a dozen of posters here. On the other hand you are so abysmally stupid there is a chance you actually don’t see it. Like that Iraqi general Comical Ali, telling the TV crew that the American army has suffered total defeat ignoring the crowd of American soldiers standing behind him waving to cameras, so are you Mr. Dud flashing victory sign with both hands not bothering to even try to wipe the eggs from you face. Perhaps we should start calling you Comical Mr. Dude when “Mr. Poopy Pants” outlives its novelty.

          You see doody, if you were just stupid I wouldn’t mind you so much, but you are also a stinking primitive liar. You say:
          ”But Craig is so insane (I think that nutter thinks the world is 6000 years old like the Bible implies!) that it would be a bloodbath.”

          William Craig is famous for, among other things, masterful rebuttal of the “Young Earth” adherents – both in countless articles and public debates. You know it, but not only did you choose to conceal it, but tell the opposite. You may have as well claimed that Mother Theresa of Calcutta had a side job in a abortion abattoir.

          You are a despicable piece of crap. You have just not only poopied your pants but wear them like sombrero trusting no one can see and smell its contents.

          As for your prophet Dawkins, he is scared shitless of meeting W. Craig. Why else would he come up with the latest idiotic excuse. He already made a fool of himself on quite a few occasions most notably in his “God Delusion” where he attacks the Cosmological argument showing to all he misunderstood it completely. He knows Craig will smear it in his face and humiliate him in front of the world. So the coward runs and try to hide. What a pathetic sight!

          And now, get lost, Poopy Pants. You stink now more than ever!

  26. Mr. Dude says

    Mar 14, 2014 at 9:47 pm

    “Sadly like all your facts that reply was not sent by me.I await your grovelling apology.I bet MR Dawkins wouldnt make such an error” – eccose1314

    I was replying to this thread of yours: http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/03/bbc-drops-debate-on-homosexuality-in-islam-from-free-speech-program-after-mosque-complaints/comment-page-1#comment-1023152

    Mr. Dawkins is not perfect of course, but he is indeed moral enough to, if he had Allah/God/Jesus’ super-powers, let Gandhi into “heaven”, for example. This century belongs to those who move beyond the hatred that the ancient Abrahamic faiths teach.

    • Mr. Dude says

      Mar 14, 2014 at 9:54 pm

      …..that INCLUDES the barbaric teaching of Jihad against the Infidel.

    • ecosse1314 says

      Mar 14, 2014 at 9:55 pm

      I certainly did not send you a reply saying poopy pants re your comments regarding hindus etc….where do you get your facts from. Mr Dawkins???????

      • Mr. Dude says

        Mar 14, 2014 at 10:01 pm

        Correct, you did not. That was just an EXAMPLE I came up with of a dumb personal attack against a well-reasoned argument, w/out that person providing facts, but just using child-like personal attacks.

    • Jay Boo says

      Mar 15, 2014 at 12:26 pm

      SO FULL OF CRAP just to set up a diversion trap

      • Jay Boo says

        Mar 15, 2014 at 12:27 pm

        In REFERENCE TO MR, DUDE

  27. ecosse1314 says

    Mar 14, 2014 at 10:01 pm

    Anyway doody…it is two o’clock here and some of us have to be up for early mass….so speak soon poopy pants

    • thomas_h says

      Mar 14, 2014 at 10:22 pm

      Well, it is past 2 am in Copenhagen. Where do you live, ecosse1314?

      I may stick around a little longer just to see Mr. Poopy Pants reply to you.

      • ecosse1314 says

        Mar 15, 2014 at 6:53 am

        Hi Thomas I am up in the highlands of Scotland.

        • Mirren10 says

          Mar 15, 2014 at 8:10 am

          Hi, ecosse !

          My mum lives 50 miles from John O’ Groats.

          Isn’t ‘mr dude’ a blethering skite !

        • thomas_h says

          Mar 15, 2014 at 4:28 pm

          Hey ecosse1314,
          I never went beyond Edinborough. A beautiful place, but there is much more to Scotland than that says my lady friend who drove from Newcastle (arriving with a ferry from Gothenburg) to as far as Ullapool She stopped in a few places and remembers most fondly a whisky distillery in Glenmorangie. I am going to check it out as soon as I can.
          Take care,
          Thomas

  28. Mr. Dude says

    Mar 14, 2014 at 10:07 pm

    “… that fatuous twat ‘mr dude’” is as unproductive of a reply as my example of a ridiculous personal attack such as calling someone a “poopy-pants” would be. Am I right on this?

    Mr. Dawkins et al have equipped me with all the facts I need, but apparently the founders of the Abrahamic faiths have not equipped its followers with all the facts THEY need to make logical arguments,as evidenced by the posts herein? Or am I missing something here? (No offense.)

    • thomas_h says

      Mar 14, 2014 at 10:45 pm

      “Or am I missing something here? (No offense.)”

      Oh yes, you are missing something here, something there – in fact, something everywhere. The thing you most evidently miss is some 30 points of IQ (to have one 85)
      Now, get lost (No offence)

  29. thomas_h says

    Mar 14, 2014 at 10:50 pm

    Well, doody.
    I am off to bed.
    Now, get lost.

  30. Speak no Evil says

    Mar 15, 2014 at 12:55 am

    Here is a SPOT ON PORTRAYAL of the BBC as played by Leslie Nielsen, aka Frank Drebin….

  31. ecosse1314 says

    Mar 15, 2014 at 8:27 am

    testing

  32. ecosse1314 says

    Mar 15, 2014 at 8:32 am

    Hi Mirren 10. Are you from Paisley with that moniker? I am about fifty miles south from your mother just outside Inverness. I fear Mr Poppy Pants is more to be pitied than anything else. He has obviously only read one book in his life and is treating that like Gospel….oops . Maybe if he promises to shut up and stop regurgitating the same old garbage then maybe we just might let Ghandi into Heaven. What do you think?

    • Mr. Dude says

      Mar 15, 2014 at 11:22 am

      “maybe we just might let Ghandi into Heaven. ” – ecosse1314

      If you did then you’d obviously be more moral than Allah and Jesus! Just think how great that is! I think you WOULD let Gandhi into heaven, as it’s the moral thing to do, and just think of all the things people up there could LEARN from an eternity with Gandhi. No reason NOT to let him in, unless Jesus is an elitist narcissist – valuing Jesus over morality. YOU are better than Jesus, so you’d let Ben Franklin in, too. Jesus approves of brutal torture (just like the Taliban do) of people who simply don’t believe like he does (that he’s the bom.)

      Embracing Dawkins, and dumping Mohammad/Jesus, is clearly what’s best for the world, to create a more loving world.

      • Jay Boo says

        Mar 15, 2014 at 12:28 pm

        AS SHAMELESS AS AN ISLAMIST
        Maybe you are a Muslim after all

        • Mr. Dude says

          Mar 15, 2014 at 12:41 pm

          Because I’d let non-believers in to my “heaven” (if one existed), I’m far more moral than any Muslim or Christian (who has not altered the texts of the belief system of course) on the planet. Giving the worse punishment imaginable for simply not picking my favorite super-hero (Allah, or Jesus, or Zeus, etc., etc.) is as immoral as it can possibly get.

          Fighting Islam (that’s a noble cause, however) with an equally bad belief system (a fellow Abrahamic faith) is a losing proposition, at least long-term. You can’t fight one superstition with another superstition, you need to inject reality at some point.

        • cheekturner says

          Mar 15, 2014 at 6:18 pm

          Definitely a muslime is Mr. Dud. Did everyone miss his reference to the “Crusaders in Afghanistan/Iraq..” Yeah Mr. Dud you sure are good at taqqiyah. Now go pester an Islimic webshiite.

  33. Mirren10 says

    Mar 15, 2014 at 9:23 am

    Hi ecosse !

    ”Hi Mirren 10. Are you from Paisley with that moniker?”

    No, but my dad was. I was born in Glasgow, ( and we’ll have no jokes about Glasgow keelies 🙂 ) I wanted Mungo, but it was already taken.

    ”He has obviously only read one book in his life and is treating that like Gospel….oops .” Indeed.

    In fact, I doubt (I may be wrong) that he’s actually read much of Dawkins’s stuff; and if he has, he doesn’t really understand a lot of it. He’s seized on Dawkins’s hatred of Christianity to justify his own hatred, and trots out his memes like Pavlov’s dog.

    He is incapable of seeing that it doesn’t matter a tuppenny damn what the OT says about homosexuality, since there are no Christians in the West calling for the flogging and/or execution of gays, or carrying out such things, unlike in the Islamic world, where they actually **do** these things, as mandated in the koran.

    People here have pointed out countless times that the OT is superseded by the NT, that the OT is essentially a **history** of the Jewish people, and that it is far more often descriptive, rather than prescriptive; unlike the koran.

    Which is why I said he doesn’t deserve to be rationally opposed, since he is essentially **irrational**.

    He’s also a closet anti-Semite, which he dresses up with the usual claptrap about ‘illegal settlements’, and the ‘poooor palestinians’.

    • ecosse1314 says

      Mar 15, 2014 at 9:36 am

      Originally from Glasgow myself. I have tried to have sensible conversations with the guy but it is like trying to eat soup with a fork. So now I am just going to ridicule him. Anyway am away now to the footie so will speak to you later enjoy sunny Glasgow and watch out for all those Invernessians invading the city tomorrow for the cup final.

    • Mr. Dude says

      Mar 15, 2014 at 11:31 am

      Like Mohammad, Jesus approved of slavery and torture (sorry but it appears to be true). http://www.evilbible.com/Slavery.htm

      Jesus (and arguably the evil Mohammad) also approved of the old laws: “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.” – Matthew 5:17
      Not abolishing the laws to kill gays, arguably, but to fullfil them….that’s why he never spoke out against killing gays.

      • cheekturner says

        Mar 15, 2014 at 6:23 pm

        Knowing nothing about Christianity disables you from commenting, Mr. Dud., on that particular subject. You would make a good JW (and I do not mean Jihad Watcher) having the required unerring ability to quote out of context.
        Next?

        • Mr. Dude says

          Mar 15, 2014 at 6:33 pm

          On a recent video Robert rightly pointed out that Muslims never say exactly, precisely, how Robert’s quotes of Islam are “taken out of context”. If you are better than Muslims in that regard then please enlighten us how exactly I’m taking those quotes out of context.

          Re: “Mr. Dud”: name-calling seems a common tactic on these forums from people who don’t back up what they write with facts, but only with emotion/attacks.

    • Mr. Dude says

      Mar 15, 2014 at 11:38 am

      Not to defend the atrocities of the Palestinians (many – but not all – are savages, like Pamela’s ad says), but The Israeli Jews have killed far more Muslim Palestinians than Muslim Palestinians have killed Israeli Jews.

      All this trouble because each of their respective invisible friends has told them that they are superior, that the land (basically) belongs to THEM. Supremacism….I hate to say, but, not unlike a certain German Christian who was acting on the Jew-hatred of the Bible around 1942.

      Modern Secular Humanism is a SOLUTION, while only bashing Islam is not a SOLUTION. (I’ve done my share of Islam-bashing, however, I’ll admit.)

      Have a great day.

      • Jay Boo says

        Mar 15, 2014 at 12:31 pm

        THIS HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH THE TOPIC
        but of course you already know that

        • Mr. Dude says

          Mar 15, 2014 at 1:16 pm

          It is an attempt to show Christians that they need to get their own religious texts in order before they attack the religious texts of a fellow Abrahamic faith.

        • gravenimage says

          Mar 17, 2014 at 5:19 pm

          “Mr. Dude” wrote:

          It is an attempt to show Christians that they need to get their own religious texts in order before they attack the religious texts of a fellow Abrahamic faith.
          ……………………………….

          “Mr. Dude” reveals his agenda—that no one is allowed to take a stand against the sanguinary horror and existential threat of Islam unless they address the (supposed) minute contradictions of their own faith.

          The parallel is not exact, but this would be very like saying that US troops during WWII had no right to liberate the death camps until they were successful in rooting out all use of Jewish jokes back home.

          This moral equivalence is not just witless, it is dangerous, and it is immoral.

          But more, this is not an honest effort on “Mr. Dude’s” part.

          His intent is *this*—to shut down criticism of Islam, so that Muslims can pursue their bloody agenda unhindered by any defense from Jews and Christians.

        • Champ says

          Mar 17, 2014 at 5:40 pm

          His intent is *this*—to shut down criticism of Islam, so that Muslims can pursue their bloody agenda unhindered by any defense from Jews and Christians.

          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

          Exactly, Graven!

    • voegelinian says

      Mar 15, 2014 at 2:58 pm

      “He is incapable of seeing that it doesn’t matter a tuppenny damn what the OT says about homosexuality, since there are no Christians in the West calling for the flogging and/or execution of gays, or carrying out such things, unlike in the Islamic world, where they actually **do** these things, as mandated in the koran.”

      Our longtime reader and commenter, “RodSerling”, purveys the same fatuously specious bullcrap Mr. Dude does; only dressed up with a shave and a haircut and hair gel.

  34. Mr. Dude says

    Mar 15, 2014 at 12:48 pm

    “His only intention is to use it as a Segway
    to get the last sentence of his paragraph in reference to Jesus” – Jay Boo

    My friend, I assure you that I feel that the 3 major Abrahamic faiths (I’m excluding the Baha’i faith here) are ALL terrible. Islam sucks! Robert is a hero for helping to eliminate one of the Abrahamic faiths.

    In all fairness, OTHER religions are often as bad as the 3 AF’s are, such as Hinduism. But most of the hypocrisy about Islam being bad is carried out by Christians, so that’s my focus (besides Islam) – pointing out the hypocrisy.

    • ecosse1314 says

      Mar 15, 2014 at 2:15 pm

      You are a funny man Mr Poopy Pants…

    • Jay Boo says

      Mar 15, 2014 at 2:38 pm

      Mr. Dude
      Your generic criticism of Islam is revealed as a sham.
      It is merely a springboard to the use of a moral equivalence argument
      There are many fake websites claiming to be atheist sites that are nothing more that attack sites on Christianity and Judaism in order to covertly APPOLOGIZE for Islam.

      UNHOLY ALLIANCE…
      A message to pseudo “secular” elitist liberals who are all too quick to mock Christian religion yet simultaneously appease the nearest Muslim with groveling reverence to Islam and sneaky lapdog treachery.
      Even Islam “claims” to respect Jesus; therefore you might at least pretend the same.
      You are a calculating sponge in search of an algorithm to assemble a recombinant PC facade.
      I suspect, some conservative Christian questioned your values and this hurt your feelings. BOO HOO!
      Islamist doctrine makes Jerry Farwell seem like a Hollywood liberal.
      Islamists have YOU at the top of their INFIDEL menu and despite Islamist’s many faults
      they do have one redeeming virtue; they don’t trust sneaky self-absorbed
      back-stabbing “I am so much smarter and more tolerant than you” types either.
      When you are no longer needed, you will find yourself tied to a post in an
      honor-killing pit hollering “What the % #@6!% is this.” in your typical vulgar speech
      pattern and they will be asking themselves, “why did we wait so long.”
      (A dhimmi dummy when no longer needed is just a disposable kafir).

      AWAKEN from this make-believe coexistent dhimwittitude La La Land.
      GREEN is said to be the color of Islam but look a bit closer,
      Like autumn leaves Islam soon reveals its true colors under stress.
      Look beyond branches and fallen leaves to see its vast emptiness.

      • Mr. Dude says

        Mar 15, 2014 at 3:35 pm

        ISLAM IS EVIL! So please don’t question my anti-Mohammad credentials again. When it comes to Islam, I want it to end, just like you do. I’m MORE against Islam than most all people on this forum because I don’t let a love of Christianity get in the way: I condemn the Islamic texts which say to kill gays and mistreat women, but Christians have to HEDGE, FUDGE, because their own texts say equally bad things in those regards. Only Modern Secular Humanism can truly attacks Islam.

        Jesus can not be considered more moral than Mohammad because BOTH Abrahamic faiths hate people so much that they send good moral people like Gandhi (and Mother Teresa if she converted to Buddhism 30 days before she tied, just say) to a fate worse than even the evil Hitler ever gave any Jew. They are morally bankrupt belief system because of that.

        • thomas_h says

          Mar 15, 2014 at 5:06 pm

          “ISLAM IS EVIL! So please don’t question my anti-Mohammad credentials again. When it comes to Islam, I want it to end, just like you do. ”

          Bullcrap!

          Who cares or believes what you think or say about Islam? Spreading idiocies and foul lies about Christianity prove you are Islam’s useful idiot. As far as we are concerned you are a mohammedan because you contribute to islam’s war effort. You are an enemy. I wish you all worse.
          Now get lost, creep.

        • Wellington says

          Mar 15, 2014 at 5:55 pm

          Assuming, Mr. Dude, you are sincere about thinking Islam evil (and I am quite aware that many doubt your sincerity in this regard but I posit this for argument’s sake), I as the agnostic I am find your continued denouncement of Christianity and Judaism as being, more or less, just as bad as Islam, to be stupid in the extreme. I wrote to you before about this and you only answered generically. I will again put to you what I wrote on a previous thread. If you do not respond to me sincerely and point by point, I will know you have an agenda only and are not interested in true debate—–and everyone else on this thread will know it too (though many, understandably, would maintain they already know it).

          Here it is. Comparisons between Islam on the one hand with Christianity and Judaism on the other, in which the three are essentially equally excoriated, are ridiculous. Though there is violence condoned by the Judeo-Christian deity in the Old Testament, such violence does not function as a paradigm for action for all time, contra Koranic violence, which is indeed a paradigm for action till the end of time. Moreover, the use of force by Muslims in Islam is to conquer all the earth. By contrast, the use of force by ancient Jews was to secure a very small part of the earth, an area of only some 10,000-15,000 square miles. Even assuming one completely rejects a deity-backed use of force to garner real estate, not to take into account that Muslims want all the earth and the Jews only an area of land not even half the size of Ohio is to fall into a kind of of equivalizing that is, well, just silly. I mean real stupid because the difference here in scale is ENORMOUS.

          Additionally, to treat Mohammed and Jesus as moral equivalents, as you do, is also deeply foolish since any condemnation Jesus had of certain behavior was punishable in the next world, not this one, while Mohanmmed definitely was into major kinds of punishment not only in a world to follow but in this one as well. Mohammed ordered the execution of thousands. Jesus ordered the execution of no one. Mohammed here (and in other areas too) is the anti-Jesus. One knows this or should know it. Frankly, as the agnostic that I am, punishments threatened by religious folks in the next world don’t concern me at all. However, punishments in this world by religious folks for one transgressing religious directives concern me a great deal.

          Finally, though in theory some of what Judaism and Christianity assert could, arguably, be looked upon as objectionable (e.g., what happens to someone who is devoid of faith or mocks God or who engages in homosexual activity), Jews and Christians do not want to use violence in this world to stop a person who, as they see it, errs here. Islam most definitely wants to use violence to stifle such things as freedom of speech, freedom of religion and sexual preference. 22,000+ Islamic terrorist attacks worldwide just since 9/11 testifies to this fact. And please spare me more moral equivalizing by asserting that American and allied forces have inflicted casualties during the same time period. Yes, they have, always against military targets, while going out of their way to avoid civilian casualties, contra Islamic terrorist groups which DELIBERATELY seek civilian as well as military targets. If you deny this or prevaricate here, you will will reveal to all you are insincere and profoundly ignorant.

          Your turn. Don’t hide. Don’t obfuscate. Be clear and to the point.

    • gravenimage says

      Mar 15, 2014 at 11:05 pm

      “Mr. Dude” wrote:

      But most of the hypocrisy about Islam being bad is carried out by Christians, so that’s my focus
      ……………………………………..

      Well, “Mr. Dude” has pretty much revealed his agenda here—not that is wasn’t already becoming abundantly clear—and it is *not* concerned with the existential threat of Jihad to every non-Muslim at all.

      Surprise, surprise…

  35. Jay Boo says

    Mar 15, 2014 at 3:02 pm

    DEAR ABBY,
    Is it considered POLITICALLY CORRECT to criticize Islam?
    Should one always tame such criticism with a flood of mandatory moral equivalence against other religions?
    Although we find honor killings and other butchery in the name of Allah distasteful we don’t want to appear as Islamo-phobic.
    =====

    DEAR SECULAR PROGRESSIVE LEFTIST HUMANIST
    It is OK
    ISLAM IS FILTH

    • Mr. Dude says

      Mar 15, 2014 at 4:00 pm

      Agreed: political-correctness be damned.
      Agreed: Islam is filth (not sure how “left-wing” I am by saying that.)

      I love reality, whereas people of the Abrahamic faiths love superstition.

  36. Mr. Dude says

    Mar 15, 2014 at 5:27 pm

    thomas_h my friend, you seem to think that destroying the credibility of Mohammad and Jesus is an “or” proposition (that either Mohammad OR Jesus will be discredited), but I assure you that BOTH can be discredited, so be happy that Mohammad will fall if they BOTH fall. You and I both want Mohammad to fall, so we share that in common.

    There are thousand and thousands of OTHER “prophets” [including Saint Dawkins (pbuh)] to embrace after Pedo-Mo and Jesus are both discredited, so you’ll have plenty to choose from.

    Have a great day.

  37. Mr. Dude says

    Mar 15, 2014 at 5:36 pm

    “As far as we are concerned you are a mohammedan because you contribute to islam’s war effort. ” – thomas_h

    thomas_h, our brave forefathers in WWII did NOT say “we either bring down Hitler OR we bring down Hirohito”. No, they sought to bring them BOTH down, because both were very similar in that they were fighting on the same side, and were evil in that they hated most of humanity. The same concept applies to Mo/Jesus. Both teach hatred for most of humanity (a majority of humanity does not follow either one of those respective belief systems, and they believe those people deserve barbaric Hitler-like torture, and will keep those riff-raff out of their “heaven” – just like the Nazis sought to do.)

    Fortunately there is a better way than all that hatred/torture.

    • thomas_h says

      Mar 15, 2014 at 6:49 pm

      ´“our brave forefathers in WWII did NOT say “we either bring down Hitler OR we bring down Hirohito”. ”

      The analogy is breathtakingly, shamelessly false.
      BOTH Hitler and Hirohito were the enemy of our forefathers.

      My enemy is Islam, not Christianity. Your enemy is Christianity and being a Christian makes me your enemy too. That is what I need to know.
      Whether or not you also include Islam as your enemy doesn’t interest me at all.
      You declared yourself my enemy and I am OK with it. I’ll keep my eyes open for you and carry a big stick.

      I don’t know about your forefather, but mine fought Hitler because beside loving his country he, being a Christian, hated evil. Had Japan attacked his country (Poland) he would have fought against it too.

      Now Hitler, like yourself, hated Christianity. And shared hatred just like shared love – it unites. You would have made great pair.

      And now get lost.

      • Mr. Dude says

        Mar 15, 2014 at 7:12 pm

        Hitler hated Jews just like the Bible/Qur’an do. Or does the Bible say that ethical Jews, who do good works, will get into “heaven”, OR will they go to Jesus’ own Auschwitz? Which is it my friend?

        Modern Secular Humanism believes that there is no love in torture. Mohammad/Jesus, are you listening? (Well, no, they’re dead, but you get the point.)

      • Mr. Dude says

        Mar 15, 2014 at 7:16 pm

        “being a Christian, hated evil.” – thomas_h

        Too bad Allah/Jesus don’t hate evil, or of course they’d just snap their magic fingers and get rid of the “devil”, or never allowed him to exist in the first place.

        Thomas, if you had Allah/Jesus/Zeus’ magic superhero-powers, would YOU get rid of the devil, thereby making the world a much better place? I and Richard Dawkins of course would, as we care about humanity. We don’t care about loyalty to an invisible friend, like some people I could mention. 🙂 🙂

        Take care.

        • thomas_h says

          Mar 15, 2014 at 7:59 pm

          “I and Richard Dawkins of course would, as we care about humanity.”

          Hillarious! You are positively mad.

          You must have realized by now that humanity doesn’t give a sh*t what you and Dick care about.
          Do you often daydream of yourself and Dawkins doing things for humanity together? Stop it. I assure you Dawkins doesn’t entertain such scenarios and would rather be seen with “humanity” than with you.
          Dick at least made a lot of money selling his books, while you have made yourself a butt of jokes. Must be very frustrating for you.

  38. Mr. Dude says

    Mar 15, 2014 at 6:15 pm

    Wellington, I admire your well-thought out post, and thanks for posting it.
    TRUE, Islam is worse than Christianity in a number of areas! But I believe they are BOTH JUST MADE UP belief systems which suck the logic/reason/common-sense out of people, so they should both be eliminated in favor of a reality-based belief system. I like the calls to charity, etc. in them, but an illogical sky fairy is not needed for that, of course.

    While you do mention some differences in the two beliefs, allow me to post just some of the major SIMILARITIES below, which outweigh the differences:

    – Jesus is the Messiah and he can perform real magic.

    – They all come from Abraham and his sons Ishmael and Isaac.

    – The Day of Judgment will occur and you will be judged.

    – There is hell and “paradise” or “heaven”.

    – Women are worth ½ a man.

    – Jesus will return by descending from Heaven and will kill the Anti-Christ.

    – God sent similar prophets (such as Noah, Abraham, Moses, David, Jesus, etc.)

    – Gandhi, no matter how moral he may have been, for 99.9999999% of his existence deserves worse treatment than, say, Hitler ever gave to any Jew.

    – An Anti-Christ will appear before the Day of Judgment.

    – Magic is real: Mohammad splitting the moon, Jesus walking on water, Moses parting seas.

    – People should follow the 10 Commandments and the moral teachings of the prophets.

    – Satan is real.

    – Autocratic rule is admired, democracy is not advocated.

    – Rape (at least of captives/slaves) is acceptable. http://www.evilbible.com/Rape.htm

    – Killing innocent people is acceptable. http://www.nobeliefs.com/DarkBible/darkbible3.htm

    – There is only one God. He is the Creator and sustainer of the universe.

    – There are magic invisible people with wings, that change the real-world.

    – Faith (belief w/out evidence) is good.

    – Both imply that science is wrong because they contain things like a talking snake or a talking donkey or a flying horse with a human head.

    – They have huge numbers of contradictions in them: The Bible has 479. http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/by_name.html

    – Kill gays.

    – They show no pity, only contempt for, people who don’t believe like they do (those in “hell” who picked a different super-hero.)

    – Are incredibly cruel and violent belief systems: Bible has 1317 instances, Qur’an has 532. http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/long.html

    – Taking sex slaves is acceptable. http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Concerns_with_Islam:_Sexual_Slavery_in_Islam

    – They don’t understand that the universe is around 13.7 billion years old. The “creator of the universe” would know this.

    – Mary (has her own chapter in the Qur’an), the mother of Jesus, was a virgin; and Jesus was born miraculously.

    – Adam was the first human being, and was created from dust or clay (they contradict the fact of evolution.)

    – The Scientific Method is not advocated, but unproven magic (“miracles”) are.

    – Slavery is acceptable. Mohammad and Jesus accepted slavery: http://www.evilbible.com/Slavery.htm

    – Atheists are excluded from their religion’s practices.

    – Don’t dare attempt to improve on these teachings.

    – Believe animals have actually talked to humans.

    – The Old testament/Torah and the new testament/Gospel are holy scriptures.

    • Wellington says

      Mar 15, 2014 at 7:15 pm

      You failed my challenge HUGELY. The stuff you provided about killing gays, and women being worth only 1/2 that of a man, should be consigned to Islam only, not to Christianity and Judaism. In fact, you miserably fail to understand that Christianity anbd Judaism, by their very emphasis on the dignity and worth of the individual (contra Islam which is enthralled with submission and death and the stifling of liberty in sundry ways) work best, among all major religions, with democratic tenets. And most of your statements were just worthless globs of theory, and often bogus theory at that.

      Mr. Dude, I don’t know why you continue to post here at JW, but I can tell you that you are either a very superficial thinker or a very malevolent one (actually, probably both). Be gone. I will respond to you no more. You are a fraud. You are also pathetic. Get a life, which I highly suspect you never will.

      • Mr. Dude says

        Mar 15, 2014 at 7:20 pm

        “The stuff you provided about killing gays, and women being worth only 1/2 that of a man,” – Wellington

        So are you saying that over the last many centuries that Christians are so moral, and care for their children and mothers/daughters so much, that they have REMOVED said barbaric texts from their belief system? Dawkins has. He’s raised his moral standards. Not a bad idea. Followers of Mohammad and Jesus have not, unfortunately. They are paralyzed by fear. I believe they can move beyond the ancient fairy tales and join us in the 21st century. I believe in them.

  39. Mr. Dude says

    Mar 15, 2014 at 6:28 pm

    “Definitely a muslime is Mr. Dud.” – cheekturner

    Would a Muslim say, unequivocally, like I’m doing right here, that MOHAMMAD WAS A DISGUSTING PEDOPHILE!? Of course not, since like Christians they fear invisible friends. Muslims (who I love, but want them to get a new belief system!) won’t even condemn pedophilia when Mohammad’s pedophilia is a part of the conversation. Like Christians, they don’t seem to have the intellectual/moral courage to say when a passage is clearly dead wrong and immoral, or else they’d remove it from their texts.

    I don’t FEAR Dawkins, but they fear Mohammad or Jesus.

    • cheekturner says

      Mar 15, 2014 at 7:14 pm

      Sorry Mr. Dud but they are not our texts to erase or otherwise. And this confirms how little you understand of the Bible and the followers of Jesus Christ. You display an unreasoned hatred of Christianity which obviously impairs your ability to grasp the concept of Faith and judge the adherents of such Faith by rabidly searching for passages from Scripture which serve your purpose of condemning such adherents, rather than judging the Faith and it’s Scriptures by the actions of it’s aforementioned adherents.
      Sleep tight. I’m off to bed
      Regards CT

    • thomas_h says

      Mar 15, 2014 at 7:15 pm

      “I don’t FEAR Dawkins, but they fear Mohammad or Jesus.”

      I have never met anyone who feared Jesus.
      Your whole nonsense production is based on totally ungrounded assumption that Christians fear Jesus. Why should one fear one’s Saviour?
      What makes you assume such a preposterous nonsense?

      You don’t fear Dawkins? Is that what makes you a hero you think you are? Dawkins is admired by naive ignoramuses and village atheists like yourslf, he is scorned and ridiculed by people who can see the man is a zero (I don’t deny he may be good biologist)b but I can’t imagine anyone can fear him.

      • Mr. Dude says

        Mar 15, 2014 at 7:38 pm

        “I have never met anyone who feared Jesus.” – thomas_h

        They fear going to Jesus’ Auschwitz. Jesus approves of his Auschwitz (just read the Bible.) Allah and Jesus could abandon the practice of sending moral non-believers to Allah/Jesus’ own respective Auschwitzs, if they wanted to, but the Abrahamic faiths are not moral enough to do that, apparently.
        Dawkins would, of course. Harris would, of course. Dennett (pbuh) would, of course. I would, of course, and so would all moral people who believe in fairness.

      • Mr. Dude says

        Mar 15, 2014 at 7:44 pm

        Every time you hear that John Cougar Mellencamp song lyric, from the song “Small Town”, remind yourself that Jesus teaches fear. The lyric say, people are “taught the fear of Jesus” (in a small town).
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CVLVaBECuc&feature=kp

        http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/johncougarmellencamp/smalltown.html

        So either Mellencamp and the record company are lunatics, and enraged Christians would have forced him to remove those lyrics (I suppose?) or else maybe, just maybe, Jesus does teach fear.

        Dawkins does not teach fear.

        • gravenimage says

          Mar 15, 2014 at 11:30 pm

          “Mr. Dude” wrote:

          So either Mellencamp and the record company are lunatics, and enraged Christians would have forced him to remove those lyrics (I suppose?) or else maybe, just maybe, Jesus does teach fear.
          ……………………………..

          Now *that’s* interesting.

          Apparently “Mr. Dude” would have us believe that if Christians were sincere in their beliefs that they would be enraged and force their critics to adhere to blasphemy laws, on threat of violence.

          Who thinks like this? Not Christians—just pious Muslims. “Mr. Dude” is telling Christians that they must behave like the censorious Mohammedans in the story above…

          This is, in fact, a common Muslim accusation—that if Christians sincerely adhered to their faith, that they would be eager to oppress and murder others in its name. *Ugh*.

  40. voegelinian says

    Mar 15, 2014 at 6:39 pm

    Wellington laid down the gauntlet to Mr. Dude:

    “Your turn. Don’t hide. Don’t obfuscate. Be clear and to the point.”

    Wellington’s long and detailed post filled with points Mr. Dude is obliged to address in good faith (as opposed to the obfuscatory sophistry he has been indulging in since he arrived on Jihad Watch several days ago) was written March 15, 5:55 pm.

    So far, we see comments by Mr. Dude to others:

    Mr. Dude
    March 15, 2014 at 4:00 pm

    Mr. Dude
    March 15, 2014 at 5:27 pm

    Mr. Dude
    March 15, 2014 at 5:36 pm

    The clock is ticking…

    • voegelinian says

      Mar 15, 2014 at 6:41 pm

      Well, looks like Milk Duds has answered Wellington. I would bet my entire bank account — in fact I would bet the lives of my loved ones — that his response is more of the same obfuscatory bullshit, and that he thus has failed Wellington’s challenge.

      • voegelinian says

        Mar 15, 2014 at 7:03 pm

        Well, I just read Mr. Dude’s response to Wellington.

        My bank account and my loved ones are safe.

        Of course.

        • thomas_h says

          Mar 15, 2014 at 7:22 pm

          Of course!

        • Mr. Dude says

          Mar 15, 2014 at 7:26 pm

          No, they are not safe, not safe from eternal torture if they are not lucky enough to win the super-hero lottery and fail to pick the one true correct super-hero out of the thousands on offer.

    • Mr. Dude says

      Mar 15, 2014 at 6:49 pm

      Fair question, my friend.

      Yes, agreed, Islam is worse in a number of specific areas relative to Christianity. There is no question about that. But overall they are similar ENOUGH that they BOTH deserve condemnation: again a small list of similarities is listed above, at: http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/03/bbc-drops-debate-on-homosexuality-in-islam-from-free-speech-program-after-mosque-complaints/comment-page-1#comment-1023631

      I can’t in good conscience say that Mohammad was evil (and he was!) w/out also, to be fair, saying that Jesus and his dad were also evil in many ways as well. I just can’t. For example, the Trinity of Evil (Mohammad/Jesus/Moses) approved of the “flood”, so Jesus is just fine with killing every living animal on earth (but the fish loved it! 🙂 ), because dad was not creative enough to come up with a better solution. I think a person in a coma could come up with a better solution than the “smartest” entity to have ever existed did, seriously.

      However, I do value your feedback.

      • voegelinian says

        Mar 16, 2014 at 3:26 am

        Hi Mr. Dude,

        You might like these quotes:

        “I think the man who contemplates the universe with his eyes
        wide open is the man with the greatest amount of natural piety: not in the religious sense, but in the sense of an intimate harmony with things.

        …

        Man has discovered in nature the wonderful notion of that
        all-mighty being whose law he worships.

        Fundamentally in everyone there is the feeling for this all-
        mighty, which we call God (that is to say, the dominion of
        natural laws throughout the whole universe). The priests, who
        have always succeeded in exploiting this feeling, threaten
        punishments for the man who refuses to accept the creed they impose.

        When one provokes in a child a fear of the dark, one awakens
        in him a feeling of atavistic dread. Thus this child will be ruled
        all his life by this dread, whereas another child, who has been
        intelligently brought up, will be free of it.

        …

        What is this God who takes pleasure only in seeing men
        grovel before Him? Try to picture to yourselves the meaning of
        the following, quite simple story. God creates the conditions for sin. Later on He succeeds, with the help of the Devil, in causing man to sin. Then He employs a virgin to bring into the world a son who, by His death, will redeem humanity!”

        [END OF QUOTE]

        • voegelinian says

          Mar 17, 2014 at 2:22 am

          I was hoping Mr. Dude would say “Wow, great quotes! who was that? He’s a man after my own heart!” — so I could reply, “Why, that was none other than Adolf Hitler, in fact.”

          http://www.archive.org/stream/HitlersTableTalk/HitlersTableTalk_djvu.txt

  41. dumbledoresarmy says

    Mar 16, 2014 at 2:22 am

    I don’t know about anybody else here, but when Mr Dude smiles with his teeth (but not his eyes) and spreads out his hands and waves them around and says to a fellow poster, with total insincerity, empty phrases like “BUT I do value your feedback”, **my skin crawls**.

    I will just say that on more than one occasion now he has posted the sort of ugly falsehoods about Israel that are chanted by rote by all the fools who have swallowed Mohammedan agitprop, nonsense and lies. He has claimed that Israel’s self defence against genocidal Jihad is “state sponsored terrorism”.

    And that tells us all we need to know about him.

  42. RodSerling says

    Mar 16, 2014 at 3:47 am

    Hi dda,

    Re Mr. Dude’s comments against Israel, a good online resource for refuting this kind of jihad-enabling propaganda:

    http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/myths3/MFindex.html

    I’ve been tying to ignore Mr. Dude, and the dozens who pile on in response. Someone who demands that much attention while posting large numbers of comments all along the same theme, across threads having no relation to his repetitive content, should be dealt with ideally by a moderator.

    One thing that caught my eye, above, supporting the idea that he is not who he says he is, was this:

    “Mr. Dawkins et al have equipped me with all the facts I need, ”

    I mean, come on. What atheist is going to say that (even if some talk/write as though it’s true)?

    Also, atheists such as Dawkins, Harris, Hirsi Ali, and others, are clear that Islam is far worse, in their view, than other religions. Dawkins and Hirsi Ali, while preferring in principle that people reject theistic religions, have suggested as a practical measure supporting Christian proselytizing of Muslims, on the grounds that the conversions would result in an improvement for humanity.

    • Mirren10 says

      Mar 16, 2014 at 6:48 am

      ” Dawkins and Hirsi Ali, while preferring in principle that people reject theistic religions, have suggested as a practical measure supporting Christian proselytizing of Muslims, on the grounds that the conversions would result in an improvement for humanity.”

      I’ve hunted all over the internet for evidence for this, but can find nothing.

      Can you post a link ?

      • voegelinian says

        Mar 16, 2014 at 2:32 pm

        I’m so glad Commissars Dawkins and Ali have consented to “allow” Christians to proselytize Muslims. Christians should give them a big collective finger.

      • gravenimage says

        Mar 16, 2014 at 4:37 pm

        Hi, Mirren. Rod Serling is right. Here’s Ayaan Hirsi Ali:

        “On why Christians should try to convert Muslims”

        http://www.macleans.ca/culture/books/why-christians-should-try-to-convert-muslims/

        She first advocated this, I believe, in her book Nomad. She cites the Christian Church *and* Humanism as civilized counters to Islam. (And these, of course, are not necessarily mutually exclusive, in any case—all of the original Humanists were also devout Christians).

        Dawkins is a bit more equivocal, but believes that Christianity may serve as a counter to Islam in places like Africa. He rightly describes Islam as an “unmitigated evil”.

        I hate to cite the egregious “LoonWatch” for *anything*—but despite their dripping sarcasm, this gives a fairly good sense of Mr. Dawkins’ position:

        http://www.loonwatch.com/2011/05/richard-dawkins-islam-is-an-unmitigated-evil/

        The truth is that Richard Dawkins would probably be appalled at being endlessly cited by the vicious Muslim apologist “Mr. Dude”.

        OT—Jan, I had thought you were English. Are you Scottish? Most of my relatives are English by way of Wales, but my grandmother was lowland Scots.

        Hope you are well, Jan.

        • Angemon says

          Mar 16, 2014 at 4:56 pm

          “The truth is that Richard Dawkins would probably be appalled at being endlessly cited by the vicious Muslim apologist “Mr. Dude”.”

          I think i’ve told mr. Dude something along those lines a couple of times before 🙂

          “Dawkins is a bit more equivocal, but believes that Christianity may serve as a counter to Islam in places like Africa.”

          And i think i’ve told him something like that before too. I believe that a jihadi willing to kill and/or die for his religious beliefs is easier to convert to christianity than to secularism. Like Walid Shoebat.

        • Mirren10 says

          Mar 17, 2014 at 9:50 am

          Hi, graven, thanks very much for posting those links; very interesting.

          I think you are quite right in saying Dawkins would be appalled, ( well, probably more acutely embarrassed) at being cited by ‘mr dude’.

          I am a Scot by birth, but I’m an ex-pat; married to a Yorkshireman, and living in Yorkshire.

          Hope you are well, also.

        • RodSerling says

          Mar 17, 2014 at 6:15 pm

          Thanks Graven!

        • gravenimage says

          Mar 17, 2014 at 6:26 pm

          Thanks, Angemon—I was in no way meaning to imply that no one else had already made similar observations.

          In fact, I have come to believe that “Mr. Dude” is just posing as an atheist—I think his main purpose here is to try to shut down criticism of Islam by Jews and Christians.

        • gravenimage says

          Mar 18, 2014 at 1:19 am

          Thanks, Mirren. It was similar with my grandmother, who was born in Scotland, married my grandfather, and settled in Herefordshire near the Welsh border.

          This was, of course, long before the West Midlands became riddled with Mohammedans.

        • gravenimage says

          Mar 18, 2014 at 1:23 am

          Sure, Rod.

          Good to see you posting.

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