Judge Nathaniel Gorton in Boston has disallowed our revised AFDI pro-Israel. The difference between the two ads was that the new one didn’t say “savage,” but “those who are engaged in savage acts.” And thus the arbitrariness and political motivations of these denials are laid bare. At first we were denied for supposedly calling all Muslims savages, which we were not doing. Now we are denied apparently for criticizing those who are engaged in savage acts. A class that needs protection if I ever saw one, to be sure.
“Boston Judge Sanctions Speech Restrictions: Denies Motion to Display AFDI ‘Tweaked’ ‘Pro-Israel’ Ad,” by Pamela Geller, March 20:
In our ongoing fight for free speech with the city of Boston, we had filed a second lawsuit against the MBTA for their capricious and arbitrary flouting of the First Amendment.
Let’s be honest. If any town in America needs our pro-Israel ads, it’s Boston.
We resubmitted our pro-Israel ad, and instead of using the word savage we substituted “those engaged in savage acts.” Ridiculous, yes, but we meant to make a point. More ridiculous was the MBTA’s acceptance of that ad. So let’s get this straight: we can’t run an ad that says, “In any war between the civilized man and the savage, support the civilized man. Defeat jihad. Support Israel.” But you can say, “In any war between the civilized man and those that engage in savage acts, support the civilized man. Defeat jihad. Support Israel.” What’s the difference? Which was our very point.
Judge Gorton denied the motion on the basis that “such blatant gamesmanship and deliberate confrontations” didn’t warrant granting relief. Indeed. But whose gamesmanship is it? Who is toying with our most basic and fundamental freedom? It is not us, Judge Groton. We are not playing games. We are dead serious about the First Amendment. We are fighting for that most basic element of the world’s first moral government based on individual rights. These tin-pot bureaucrats dictating what can and cannot be said according to their prejudices mirror the most closed societies.
And yet, perhaps it’s all for the best. These rulings are based on bad precedent. We knew going in that overcoming the Ridley decision, which upheld the MBTA’s right to reject ads it considered “demeaning” to some group, would be an enormous hurdle. The Ridley case is the Dred Scott of free-speech decisions. And during our hearing, Judge Gorton specifically stated that, being a district judge, he did not have the authority to rule on or alter the decision in that case. Ridley needs to be overturned. That battle needs to be fought, and we are the ones who will do it. My legal team, AFLC’s David Yerushalmi and Robert Muise, and I mean to do just that.
“Judge Denies Motion to Display ‘Tweaked’ ‘Pro-Israel’ Ad on MBTA Space,” March 17th 2014, BostonInNo
A judge has denied the American Freedom Defense Initiative’s latest motion that would have required the MBTA to display a modified version of a controversial ‘pro-Israel’ advertisement.
In a seven-page court document provided to BostInno, U.S. District Court Judge Nathaniel Gorton found the AFDI ”acted in bad faith” and failed to demonstrate that the T acted unreasonably when it denied the group’s third version of an advertisement, which read: “In any war between the civilized man and the savage, support the civilized man. Defeat violent Jihad. Support Israel.”
Stephen Poole says
… Does anyone here have the balls to inform the Jews that they are no longer God’s chosen people ?? … That ended when they nailed my Christ up … Just sayin’ … … And, if you want to know Truth, read your frickin’ Bibles !! … Just sayin’ again … … There is only one God … He is not the god of the Jews … He is not the “god” of the Muslims … He is the God of the Christians !! … JC is His Son AND !! our Saviour !! … … I am a Jehovah’s Witness … … And, I thank God for that !! … Just sayin’, again !! … Take care, people … You’re eternal salvation may depend on just !! that … SP OX …
Jay Boo says
Support Israel defeat jihad
Stephen Poole says
… Support everyone !! … Defeat Jihad … Just sayin’, Kyra … SP OX …
Jay Boo says
Stephen Poole
THIS TOPIC IS NOT ABOUT YOU OR JEHOVAH
YOU ARE MERELY TRYING TO CONTAMINATE THE TOPIC AND MISDIRECT
“Just Trolling” with early posts Stephen Poole
BostonPovertyLaw says
“That ended when they nailed my Christ up”
I love it! I hold a grudge from my father’s side of the family from the Salem witch trials. How do keep yours so fresh?
Stephen Poole says
… The covenant that Jehovah God had with the Jews ended that day (… its 2,000th or so anniversary is comin’ up @ sundown, April 14th, 2014 …), and the Mosaic Law was annulled … … Pentecost began a new covenant between Jehovah God and the Christians (… who were mostly converted Jews …) @ 33 CE … The power of the early church was suppressed, then usurped by the powers that were … The witch-hunts had nothing to do with Christianity … … And, jinns have nothing to do with Christianity … Other-world powers are just that … Satanic @ their core … Since WWI the world has been embroiled in what may seem to be a “holy” war … Armies think/thought that JG is/was on their side … But without Him saying so, He just simply wasn’t … … Let everyone eliminate everyone in the name of their god ’cause one day He’s going to call us all for an accounting … I do my service to God by going door-to-door, proclaiming Him … In an odd kinda way this site is just one of the “doors” on my route … One day soon there will be on Earth, Jehovah God’s Holy War … Choose your side carefully, please … SP OX …
Stephen Poole says
… And just for the record, BPL : I have Never questioned Israel’s right to defend itself … Where I live (… Canada …) Police can shoot you dead if you physically attack them in any manner, and, with any weapon, and, so it should be … … If the IAF kills women and children in air strikes on houses where missile launches are occurring, that says more about the Palestinians than the IAF … Just sayin’ … SP OX …
Jay Boo says
Stephen Poole
THIS TOPIC IS NOT ABOUT YOU OR JEHOVAH
YOU ARE MERELY TRYING TO CONTAMINATE THE TOPIC AND MISDIRECT
“Just Trolling” with early posts Stephen Poole
Jay Boo says
Once again
not about Jehovah
From your very first post on you contaminate the topic
Jay Boo says
OFF TOPIC TROLL
enwhitenment says
It is time that we put our different views on life aside for long enough to work against the darkness that is threatening our freedom , liberty & future
Just by reading some of the facebook , youtube & twitter comments in support of jihad it is easy to realise that there are a huge amount of potential jihadists in the places we call home.
It is best if we have a common cause with respect for each other, because we will most likely have a common enemy.
Better to bite a tongue now than lose a head later
Nothosaur says
Spare me the mysticism, and address the Constitutional Law issue.
veggiedog says
Just sayin’, you are a freaking bigot idiot. The people that became the most pious Catholics, the Romans nailed a Jew to the cross. He was not God, he called himself the son of God. You must like Mel Gibson too.
keithj says
As it says in the bible: “You turn your back on Israel and I will turn my back on you”. Israel always has been and always will be the “chosen people”—–count your blessings that Christ has made the gentile world the bridesmaid.
guy macher says
Please be cautioned that Stephen Poole is speaking nonsense.
Defcon 4 says
“Stephen Poole”, Jehovah’s Witness? Or lying islam0nazi?
PAthenaa says
Jews did not kill Jesus, who was himself a Jew. The Romans did that, under the procurator Pontius Pilate. On the other hand, many Christians have killed Jews, millions of them.
Defcon 4 says
@PAthenaa
R U suggesting Nazis were Christians? If Nazis were Christians then why did over a million Christians die fighting them?
Dallas says
Read “A Promise at Sobibor” and you may not want to keep “just sayin'” in the way you have been.
Dallas says
Stephen Poole, I would recommend that you read “A Promise at Sobibor” and you may not want to keep “just sayin'” in this way. You may learn to gain an appreciation for the purpose of the Jewish state. And for a self-claimed Christian, there’s a lot of hatred under the surface of your comment. You might wish also to review the essence of true Christian thought.
Petey says
You call yourself a christian and you have the nerve to say the christian god is not the Jewish god? I think you need to read your bible again, in particular Isaiah 45, 47, 49 where he says in no uncertain terms that the god of Israel would be the Savior or redeemer, backed up in the new testament by the very last verse in the book of jude. Mistake number one for Jehovahs witnesses, you separated Jesus from God. Just sayin…
gravenimage says
Does anyone believe that this aggressive antisemitic troll is a Jehovah’s Witness? I sure don’t.
And yes—like most trolls, he is trying to deflect attention from the story above.
richard Sherman says
The judge is a DHIMMI who OBVIOUSLY thinks the sociopath MUHAMMAD who PERSONALLY decapitated 900 unarmed Jews serves respect. I am sure he respects Heydrich, Mengele , Norman and Eichmann….all murderous sociopaths just like Muhammad…The Muslims slaughtered and maimed hundreds at the Boston Marathon..by simply following the example of the murderous low life sociopath MUHAMMAD…
The judge is clueless…
Audrey Russo says
Spot on, Richard!
epistemology says
Exactly , the judge is a f*****g dhimmi and he’clueless. As a European I’ve always envied you guys on account of your first amendment. You can be proud of it, but not of this moronic judge.
Defcon 4 says
He doesn’t necessarily have to be a dhimmi, he could be a well-paid islam0nazi collaborator.
Petey says
There is a Judge in my hometown the drunk drivers fear the most. His daughter was killed by one years ago. Hes judged with an iron fist ever since. Do we have to resort to the level of hoping and praying for harm to come to their families before these fools get it? I wonder what would the outcome have been if his daughter had been killed at the marathon?
Bezelel says
Erosion of rights to enable and excuse savage acts, as long as their mussies.If any other religion did or does a fraction of what islam does with impunity you can bet we’ll all hear about it.
Canto28 says
This is wrong. Appeal. Take it to SCOTUS if you have too.
Salah says
“Ridley needs to be overturned. That battle needs to be fought, and we are the ones who will do it.”
I wish you luck and hope you win.
While you’re at it, why not fight another battle? for instance… Roe v. Wade???
This will help a lot in reshaping our immigration policies and protect us from the “unwanted”!
BostonPovertyLaw says
Here in Boston I was on the #10 bus going from Copley to South Bay and it had one of those pro Israel ads. It had some bitterly complaining graffiti on it so it was plenty good enough so I wouldn’t worry. It was the one saying the Arab countries are 600 times or whatever bigger than Israel so whats up with this blaming Israel for displaced refugees. One of my daughter’s best friends is a Palestinian boy. He is in the top 4 hottest boys in their class of 400. My daughter is in the top three. In Brookline they would look like two Jewish kids walking down the street. Maybe brother and sister. He is brilliant with languages.
mortimer says
Muslim men change after marriage and the misogyny and supremacism are released in full force. You have been warned and will be to blame for your daughters lifelong misery.
BostonPovertyLaw says
It aint like that. And her friends pretty much all think they’re lesbian or bi and its so hilarious because that’s what happens in the political climate around here these days when a girl has a good father figure keeping her on ice.
dumbledoresarmy says
Is this “Palestinian boy” – that is, Levantine Arab boy – a Muslim or is he Christian or secular (of culturally Christian background)?
If the former: then your daughter is in grave danger. See article here, for example, about how Muslim men are taught to view their non-Muslim wives; they’re taught to HATE them, and use them, and *not* to love them:
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/from-the-arab-world/muslim-husbands-must-hate-non-muslim-wives/
Muslim Husbands Must Hate Non-Muslim Wives
Or get a copy of Phyllis Chesler’s “An American Bride in Kabul”, pronto, and leave it lying around the house to catch your daughter’s attention.
If the young man is Christian, or Christian-background : get hold of Mark Durie’s book “The Third Choice, Islam, Dhimmitude and Freedom”, and read it; and read the companion booklet, “Liberty to the Captives”, which is about how you get a person who (or whose familial culture) has been warped by the Dhimma, to shuck it off and become a free person, not only physically but psychologically. Because the chances are, if this lad is *not* a Muslim, he’s a dhimmi or Islamochristian, and those two books will give you an idea of just what sort of awful psychological baggage he’s likely to be toting, even if you can’t easily see it.
gravenimage says
BostonPovertyLaw’s post is neither here nor there. The idea that if a “Palestinian” boy in the US is deemed one of the “4 hottest boys in the class” that that—somehow—casts doubt on the threat of Jihad against Israel and every other non-Muslim is simply witless.
No1 says
Robert, forget it, western countries are not countries of laws but countries of agendas. You are playing roulette in the hope of finding a good judge, and those are few and far between.
mortimer says
Yes, Judge Gorton, foreign terrorists are people too. We must not criticize them or call them names.
Let’s stop criticizing Castro, Stalin, Mao and Hitler. Let Americans stop criticizing King George III and Benedict Arnold. Let’s stop any criticism of Osama Bin Laden or his 19 airplane jihadists or Edward Snowden or Tokyo Rose or anyone else who wishes ill to Americans and wishes to hurt them.
Bigoted haters of Americans are people too.
epistemology says
After WWII we never had any problems with censorship in the free Western world and the Communist aligned countries never tried to impose their idea of free speech. It was confined to their countries. When the Soviet Union collapsed the ex-Communist countries became free as well. And today these Mahoundian savages who have the wrong morals, utterly wrong values and a barbaric law sharia want to force us to abide by this perverted law. Dhimmis like this judge support them.
It’s disgusting.
Lawrence says
Judge Gorton’s ruling is purely a first amendment violation.
I’m sure there are some enterprising libertarian Boston area law students willing to help take this as far as the Supreme Court !
As for you “Boston Poverty Law”, you may be unpleasantly surprised to learn
about the violent reaction to your daughter’s attempt to raise kids in a non-Muslim manner were she to marry her Palestinian boyfriend.
Muslim tribal ways should be left back in their tribal lands .
duh_swami says
No posters containing political, or moral speech should be prohibited. There is nothing immoral or pornographic about AFDI posters, so there is no good reason to prohibit them.
bill says
Does your sect have some religious objection to the letter ‘g’ on the end of words? You keep substituting a comma
Bill says
Poole and his fellow sectarians display the same kind of close mindedness
and fundamentalsm fervour as the Islamists. The claim only they will go to heaven/paradise and every so often promise that ‘judgement day’ will occur on a certain date and it never does.
bill says
Sorry for typo I missed. Fundamentalist
bill says
Typo I missed – Fundamentalist
Defcon 4 says
WE’ll all be seeing a lot more of this, as musl0nazis infiltrate, subvert, corrupt our judicial, legislative and law enforcement agencies.
In the Zombie Muhammad incident in Pennsylvania, a muslime attacked a man for peacefully assuming the role of muhammad in a Halloween parade. The muslime perp ADMITTED to the police he had attacked the atheist muhammad impersonator, but the muslime judge threw out the charges on the grounds of INSUFFICIENT EVIDENCE.
veggiedog says
For an in-depth read about the history of anti-semitism and how some myths were created and why, might i suggest, “The Popes Against the Jews: The Vatican’s Role in the Rise of Modern Anti-Semitism”. Their were indeed worried Rabbis that went to Pilate to complain about Jesus as they believed he would disrupt Passover and that he was gathering followers and was a threat to their views, this book is something we should all read in fighting bigoted views like “just sayin’ has. It both made me angry and enlightened, a good education to understand the role the formation of the Catholic Church has played in past and modern anti semitism. Catholicism was began by the Jewish followers of Jesus, how it developed as it grew is quite fascinating. Also remember, the bible was written by men sometimes centuries after the fact, i believe all Bibles take liberties by inventing the past to work with their present. Jews has always been scapegoats, some Jews have created their own misery and that of all Jews. We can take power hungry individuals from all religions and look at their manipulations on followers.