A 56-year-old man on a student visa. That’s interesting. Anyway, Islamic law forbids Muslim women to marry non-Muslim men. So this aging Saudi student was merely trying to preserve his family’s honor. Shouldn’t the Canadians be as sensitive to “cultural differences” as the Australians are?
“Saudi man accused of assaulting daughter for marrying outside religion,” from NTV, March 21 (thanks to Pamela Geller):
A 56-year-old man from Saudi Arabia has been charged with assault and uttering threats to kill his daughter after she married a non-Muslim man from Newfoundland. Khalaf Alshaek was arrested after allegations that he choked his daugther [sic]. He is in Canada on a student visa and is being held in custody until Monday.
mortimer says
More evidence that Islam is not tolerable in a civilized country. The Sharia law ‘Reliance of the Traveller’ permits a parent or grandparent to murder his descendants without any punishment.
Sharia law is barbaric. We cannot have these barbarians in the West. Send them all away.
helmut says
Yes, keep saying it loud. I call Islam Arabian Surrenderalism. Its a racist arab religion and Islam literally means surrender! The liars have had their day for do long saying that Jihad is nothing but an attempt to hijack a peaceful religion. Thats what George Bush said, and he is just dumb.
mortimer says
Islam is a euphemism for slavery.
Don Sharpe says
Did you see the vigorous defence of Islam in the comments on the NTV website?
Looks like a few were written by some deranged family member.
http://ntv.ca/saudi-man-accused-of-assaulting-daughter-for-marrying-outside-religion/
We’ll be following this story closely…
Jay Boo says
Some people believe that the solution is to deport all Muslims and to lock down the borders.
This would seem to be an ideal simple solution except that the root problem is much greater than who gets in. By focusing on the person and not the behavior, the ideology of Islam slithers under the radar obscured by a curtain of political correctness.
Call Islam what it is. Repeat it. Reveal it.
Defcon 4 says
THe ideology of pisslam wouldn’t be problematic if there weren’t muslo-nazis willing, ready and able to carry out its dictates. Nazism wouldn’t have been a problem if there weren’t any nazis to implement its retarded evil.
Charli Main says
Very true Defcon 4.
Its people that pull the trigger on a gun, that kill. No Muslims to follow the Satanic inspired Koran and Islam will die.
voegelinian says
Why Either/Or? Why not Both/And?
a) Deportation and Quarantine (a wall around the Muslim World) doesn’t mean we cannot also at the same time address the ideology
b) When our society recovers its rationality enough to do (a), it will be more capable of addressing the ideology.
Shane says
I agree, but Obama and liberals are in denial about the threat that the religion of Islam presents to the West. Muslims have been at war with the West for almost 1,400 years. We should stop all Muslim immigration into the USA.
voegelinian says
And deport the millions who are already here. Or do you think they are magically moderate?
Jadani says
After u stop messing with their countries and there nations stop the immigration
Geordie says
Very well said, I salute your clarity of thought.
Islam is barbaric, sexist, homophobic and rabidly anti-Semitic. It is totalitarian, antidemocratic and as near fascist as makes no difference. It is incompatible with our western way of life because it seeks to reverse centuries of hard won personal freedoms.
O I A says
Shari’a allows a parent to murder his child without punishment?!!
My major is Islamic Law and I was raised in Saudi Arabia, and never did I study or hear this!!
Under Islamic Law, a parent is not allowed to kill or abuse his children, and he will be punished severely if he does.
The only difference is that:
when someone intentionally kills another, he/she will be sentenced to death,BUT if the killer is a parent, SOME Islamic Jurists suggest that he should not be sentenced to death, but of course he must be punished by life imprisonment or whatever punishment the judge finds proportionate.
But none has said he will not be punished!
You could just google that before writing this comment.
Geordie says
OIA wrote on March 26, 2014 at 1:14 am:
Shari’a allows a parent to murder his child without punishment?!!
My major is Islamic Law and I was raised in Saudi Arabia, and never did I study or hear this!!
Under Islamic Law, a parent is not allowed to kill or abuse his children, and he will be punished severely if he does.
The only difference is that: when someone intentionally kills another, he/she will be sentenced to death, BUT if the killer is a parent, SOME Islamic Jurists suggest that he should not be sentenced to death, but of course he must be punished by life imprisonment or whatever punishment the judge finds proportionate. But none has said he will not be punished!
You could just google that before writing this comment.
Firstly I thank you for posting on this forum. Your comments are appreciated. Under Sharia law what is the punishment for a muslim woman who marries a non-muslim?
Also, what is the punishment for a muslim woman who changes her religion so she can marry a non-muslim?
What is the punishment for a woman married or not in Saudi Arabia, who decides that islam is not for her and denounces it, becoming atheist?
For each case above, who would be required to carry out any punishments if indeed any were applicable?
Lastly, what obligation would the father of the above women have under sharia law?
Google gave some very disturbing and barbaric answers!
Fawziah R says
There is misunderstanding. The Canadian man , as it’s widely spread, is already Muslim. He is a convert known as (Ismaeel Abu Adam) He has a you tube channel and a public page on face book preaching about Islam. But it still a sin in Islam to marry a woman without her father’s permission even if Muslim.
Don Sharpe says
This is not the St. John’s I remember.
Ches’s is famous for great fish, and their ‘chips, gravy & dressing’ is heaven!
This is another example of muslim savages trying to inflict their primitive culture on Canada. After a long jail sentence, send him home. As for his poor daughter, please let us know where to send a donation. Welcome to freedom, young lady. Welcome to Canada!
miriam rove says
student visa for a 65 year old man? M
dumbledoresarmy says
My advice to the young lady in the case: you’re as much a dead woman walking, now, as you would be if you apostasised altogether.
So…apostasise.
mortimer says
…change her name and disappear…
Jay Boo says
Those who insist to ban Muslims overlook the obvious. Ban Islam
Anyone wishing to live in the West should renounce Islam, sharia, etc
No mosques or hateful ideology of Islam to be allowed.
Imams should not stand and preach but should sit in a jail cell to contemplate their evil hate crime.
While we should respect other religions, YES
Islam is not a religion.
It has never been a religion.
Salah says
I agree with you J.B. We need to have the courage to face the ideology itself, once and for all. If the state bans Islam, most Muslims will feel safe, and find the courage, to leave Islam. But in order to do so, we’ll need courageous leaders. We’ll also need the cooperation of the MSM, it’s important to unveil the filth of Muhammad himself on every TV channel.
No more political correctness, no more restrictions on freedom of speech.
Now, we should stop dreaming!!!
Defcon 4 says
Outlawing islam would be a waste of time. Scuzzlums would simply lie about being muslime and continue practicing their death cult until such time as they achieve sufficient political mass to overturn such a law.
Salah says
I agree. Some will indeed lie about being Muslims. But if the MSM will help unveiling Muhammad, and if the state will offer full protection to the apostates, most Muslims will definitely leave Islam.
Besides, deporting all Muslims is technically impossible. How can we prove that a Muslim is indeed a Muslim? He can still lie, can’t he?
SaturnV says
I don’t like to use the word respect when referring to others’ religions, even Islam. I prefer to say that I respect individuals and their right to their religion, as long as it doesn’t impinge on my rights as an individual. And I respect the rule of law, so I would not do anything to harm an individual who worships a different deity, or none at all. But do I respect their religion? No. And I don’t expect others to respect mine. But I do expect my friends to respect me and I expect the remainder of society to respect the rule of law. Neither of those apply to the followers of muhammed.
PJG says
Good thinking, SaturnV. I also reject the imperative that I am to “respect” religions. I reserve the right to respect who and what I deem worthy of respect. Or ignore it: neither respect or disrespect it.
(Take Zoroastrianism (did I spell it correctly?) I know nothing about it and I have too much to do to find out. Should I respect it?)
Islam I have contempt for, with its control-freak god who insists on petty rules for his pathetic slaves and tells them to kill anyone who doesn’t rush to sign up to his petty rulebook.
Which reminds me, for some reason…a Muslim woman told me once how Muslims wash in the shower. Face first, then they work downwards. That is the Islamic rule! I said to her, “Wow, that’s amazing. We do it the other way, feet first and then work upwards, face last!” At first she believed me, until I told her I was teasing her and that we ALL wash the same way, we didn’t need the brilliant prophet of Islam to work it out for us!
Reality Check says
“Anyone wishing to live in the West should renounce Islam, sharia, etc.”
You are quite right, Jay Boo, but the problem is much deeper than that. The real problem is that Muslims are allowed to convert to other religions in times of danger without truly renouncing Islam. If anybody tells Muslims “Convert or Leave!”, there will be hundreds of thousands of fake conversions and the enemy will still be amongst us, only in disguise.
I wish Islam was never born. I didn’t believe in Satan until I started reading “Reliance of the Traveller” but now I truly know it exists. Islam is the only creation that is undoubtedly inspired by the Lord of Darkness.
Bill Poser says
I have no information about this particular case, but a 56 year old on a student visa isn’t necessarily crazy. It isn’t unknown for a company to send someone that age to get a higher degree or for advanced training in a non-degree program, or for someone to get additional training later in life in order to do more advanced work or shift fields. If, for example, a medical doctor comes here to learn new techniques and he or his institution can pay, so that he doesn’t earn income in Canada, he might well be on a student visa.
duh_swami says
You are right that older people sometimes seek additional education, for various reasons. However, I don’t see anywhere what his motivations are. So he is on a student visa, that anyone can apply for, but more interesting is, ‘Student of what’? What school was he attending? What classes was he taking? Maybe that is known, but I don’t see it anywhere.
Bill Poser says
According to other reports, his daughter was a student and he was just in Canada as her chaperone.
Henry says
Not allowing Muslim women to marry non Muslim men is just another device to imprison the ‘believers’, death for apostasy being another. It is cultism, it’s control freakery, it’s the denial of human liberty. It is of course absolutely criminal, and the real threat of violence that comes with it shows exactly how insecure and morally bankrupt Islam is.
I’d advise this young woman to go into hiding for some time, she’s been lucky thus far, no battery acid and still alive.
RodSerling says
The Telegram reports that the man tried to strangle his daughter for being with a “boyfriend” he “disapproved of”, but doesn’t say anything about religion.
Of course, whether the man is Muslim or not, and married to his daughter or not, Islam and its associated Arabian honor culture is most probably relevant here. In Islam, the father or guardian must approve the marriage. If they aren’t married but are in a relationship, that in itself is severely punished under Islamic law (100 lashes and banishment for a year). In classical Islamic law, a Muslim woman and non-Muslim man having a relationship (sexual, whether married or not) is given the death penalty. There are any number of Islamic Arab cultural reasons why the father might have “disapproved” of the relationship: The daughter’s partner may indeed be a non-Muslim; or he may be
-a lax Muslim
-a Muslim of a different sect (e.g., Shia, Ahmadi, etc.)
-a non-Arab (some Arab Muslims insist that their children marry Arabs)
– an Arab, but from the “wrong” tribe.
All of these factors are related to Islam and are discussed in the Hadith, Sira, and Islamic Law.
http://www.thetelegram.com/News/Local/2014-03-21/article-3658705/Man-accused-of-trying-to-strangle-his-daughter-in-court-today/1
QUOTE:
“A Saudi Arabia man accused of trying to strangle his daughter for being with a man he disapproved of is scheduled to appear in provincial court in St. John’s this afternoon.
Khalaf Alshaek, 56, is charged with assault and two counts of uttering threats. However, sources tell The Telegram that the assault charge may be upgraded to assault causing bodily harm.
Alshaek is represented by defence lawyer Rosellen Sullivan.
It’s alleged Alshaek attacked the woman, who is around 20, at Ches’s Fish ‘n’ Chips restaurant on Freshwater Road on Thursday. He reportedly had his hands around the woman’s neck, leaving marks. He also reportedly threatened to kill the girl and her boyfriend.
A translator was called in to assist Alshaek in court.”
END QUOTE
RodSerling says
correction: “…his daughter for [having] a “boyfriend” he “disapproved of””
duh_swami says
Alshaek is represented by defence lawyer Rosellen Sullivan
A kuffar lawyer? Or is she a convert? It’s interesting how Mahoundian’s
who have the Islamic attitude about kuffar, hire kuffar lawyers when they get in trouble.
PJG says
That name reminds me of a “couchsurfer’ I once put up, who turned out to be a Muslim, and we had a grand old argument about Islam. She was a pretend “moderate”.
duh_swami says
From post above… and if the state will offer full protection to the apostates, most Muslims will definitely leave Islam…
There are closet apostates that are stuck in the ‘go along to get along’ mode of living, waiting for a good chance to escape, but they are not the majority.
The pious will never abandon Allah and his messenger no matter what evidence is shown them. You need to convince the pious that opposing or abandoning Allah has no down side to it. As long as the pious believe that Allah is God, and his words and laws are holy, they will not abandon Islam.
RodSerling says
An apparently Muslim commenter on the NTV thread claims that
“…The issue was only about culture, nationality and/or tribe. The Saudi Father simply will not marry his daughter to any man who is not a Saudi national, and/or belong to a particular tribe within that country. The Newfoundlander did fulfil the marriage condition of being a Muslim, so religion has nothing to do with that…”
These standard apologetics are highly misleading. The Muslim apologist commenters (if they are different commenters) appear to have specific knowledge of the people involved, but are using it to protect the image of Islam while verbally punishing the infidels for presenting Islam in a seemingly negative light. Some of the Muslims who object to the way Islam is sometimes presented in the West have no problem with honor killings, etc., per se. Rather, they see these reports as opportunities to discuss, promote, and defend Islam.
duh_swami says
Whoever wrote that quote, either knew the father personally and knew his views first hand, which is doubtful, or is a mind reader, which is also doubtful. So what is left is a pot of taqiyya, and not very good taqiyya either.
A guy says
The story was a fabrication. NTV removed it upon learning the facts.
jihadwatch.org is an Islamophobe website.
Steffen Larsen says
Mr. Spencer depends on the media reporting the truth. That’s why he updates his stories, for corrections or additions. As would anybody of integrity.
That YOU employ that tired old construction “islamophobe” on the other hand tells me lots about YOU.
RodSerling says
A guy,
No, the entire story is not a fabrication. There appear to be some discrepancies in the status of woman’s partner (boyfriend or husband?; and Muslim, not Muslim, if Muslim what kind of Muslim?), but there is no dispute about the basic facts reported: Saudi father attempts to strangle daughter and threatens to kill both her and her partner, apparently because he disapproved of her partner and the relationship.
http://www.thetelegram.com/News/Local/2014-03-21/article-3658705/Man-accused-of-trying-to-strangle-his-daughter-in-court-today/1
duh_swami says
Explain the word ‘Islamophobe. Is that like Jesusphobe, or Buddhaphobe, or Krishnaphobe?
Steffen Larsen says
And JW has updated the story March 26. “A Guy”, any comments?
Michael Copeland says
The following has been posted at the ntv site:
Over 90% of “honor-killings” worldwide are committed by muslims.
Sharia law – Islamic law – authorises a father to perform such a killing:
“not subject to retaliation” [for a killing] is “a father or mother … for killing their offspring, or offspring’s offspring” (Manual of Islamic Law o1.1-2).
If a muslim should vigorously deny that honor-killing has anything to do with Islam remember that Islamic law authorises deception of non-muslims: “Permissible Lying” is section r8 of the Manual of Islamic Law.
The Manual of Islamic Law is a free download at:
http://www.shafiifiqh.com/maktabah/relianceoftraveller.pdf
Jay Boo says
If Islam was truly an honorable ideology,
Muslims would not need their pompous displays of convoluted logic to defend its beastly reality.
Defcon 4 says
@Jay Boo
There is no logical, moral defense of islam, which is exactly why criticism of islam, or its holey prophet, is outlawed in all islamic states.
RodSerling says
Muslims and Islam are making an impact even in a place such as St. John’s Newfoundland:
http://www.thetelegram.com/News/Local/2014-02-06/article-3604928/Hearing-delayed-when-translator-for-accused-was-a-no-show/1
“A hearing for a man suspected in a string of violent sexual offences was delayed by several hours Wednesday after a translator failed to show up.”
RANDY DOUGLAS MILLER says
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Steffen Larsen says
The most horrific “honor” murder here in Denmark involved a young Pakistani woman who had run away to marry an Afghan man. This was not acceptable to her family who killed her 2 days later.
After a frantic chase – by several of her family, including the aunt who lured her to her death, friends and the hired help – the young newly married couple were gunned down in the open street. She died, he was seriously injured.
Nine in all were found guilty.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing_of_Ghazala_Khan
Rob Crawford says
Where’d they get the guns?
A says
waw guys! you should change this post’s title to haters.com. the way you write makes me think that if it was not islam you will find something else to fix on and release all this venom!
PJG says
To “A”: I used to care about litttle besides fashion. No hatred there. I started to care about Islam when it shoved itself into my consciousness via violence, and then I discovered the “stealth” jihad and all the rest. I’m sure my story is not unlike that of many others.
Jan says
So, a *muslim* attempts to *murder* his daughter, because she is romantically involved with either a non-muslim, or a muslim from a different sect, or an insufficiently islamic muslim.
Mr Spencer posts the information from NTV, we comment on it, and somehow, in your brainwashed little mind, that makes *us* the ‘haters’ ?
No comment from you on the behaviour of a man who attempts to murder his own daughter because of his ‘religion’?
Of course not. In your brainwashed little mind, those who report such things, and comment on them, are the ‘haters’, not those who perpetrate the hate and violence.
You are a fool.
No comment from you on the behaviour of the muslim who attempted to murder his own daughter ? Because of his ‘religion’ ?
Of course not.
Geordie says
Please do a little more research before throwing insults at people you do not know.
This forum is populated by a very wide disparate group from all over the world, all races, all religions and political persuasions are represented. The first thing we agree on is that islam poses a threat to our way of life and the freedoms we hold dear. ( I’m British, atheist/antitheist and humanist. Far from a hater.)
It’s a very rare thing for such a dissimilar group to gravitate together like this. Something that would never happen without good reason.
Did you know that there have been more than 22,600 documented fatal attacks by self confessed islamic terrorists since 9/11. Fatal means resulting in one or more deaths, often many more. The majority being muslims killed by fellow muslims, which is the second thing we all agree on. The first victims of Islam are the muslims.
Your comments are misguided but welcome. Next time please ask before submitting hateful insults. We respect your right to do so but would rather you listened to reasonable arguments before drawing conclusions. Nonetheless, I wish you well.
voegelinian says
Another drive-by. I’m not sure what they think they can accomplish by the hollow tin cans of the potshots they throw out the uprolled window of their car speeding through our neighborhood — other than occasional litter on the sidewalk.
Geordie says
If nothing else the occasional drive-by gives us a chance to state what we all take for granted. It’s nice to confirm the broad base we all stand on.
RodSerling says
Update on the story. [my bolding]
http://www.thetelegram.com/News/Local/2014-03-25/article-3662653/Man-who-tried-to-choke-daughter-gets-one-year-probation/1
“Man who tried to choke daughter gets one year probation”
From the article:
[…]
“Alshaek had pleaded guilty to assaulting his 30-year-old daughter and uttering threats to kill her.
He was arrested Thursday night after a violent outburst, sparked when his daughter told him she wanted to marry a man from this province.
It began at Ches’s Fish ’n’ Chips restaurant on Freshwater Road in St. John’s, where Alshaek, his daughter and the man went together.
When the woman asked her father for approval to marry the man, Alshaek became angry and left.
What Alshaek didn’t know was that his daughter and the man had secretly wed three days before. According to the facts of the case, read in court during his sentencing hearing Monday, the woman was too fearful of her father to admit they were married.
Shortly after that incident at Ches’s, the family went to a house on Lemarchant Road, where they had been staying. Once there, Alshaek attacked his daughter three times, wrapping his hands around her neck. Alshaek believed his daughter, who had always been quiet and shy, was being disobedient.
The woman, who was left with marks on her neck, feared her father would kill her. She managed to text her husband to call police, who took her father into custody.
When he testified at the hearing, Alshaek told the judge that such actions are “an acceptable form of discipline” in his country.
He insisted he meant no harm to the woman. Instead, he was trying to prevent her from making a mistake and shaming the family by marrying a man without their consent.
“I didn’t mean to hurt her,” he said.
“I did it out of love. My heart was in my hands.”
The man — who has lived in St. John’s for the past three years — spoke with the help of a translator.
He said if he had known his daughter was already married, he would not have reacted the way he did. His actions were an attempt to try and prevent her from making a mistake, he said.
He said in Saudi Arabia, it’s the parents’ responsibility to discipline their children if they see them doing anything inappropriate.
“It’s the duty of a parent,” Alshaek said, through the translator.
Crown prosecutor Danny Murphy had recommended a three-month jail term for Alshaek, with a year’s probation.
Defence lawyer Rosellen Sullivan had explained to the judge that Alshaek came to St. John’s — with his wife and some of his 10 children — to be a chaperone for his daughter, who is attending Memorial University on a scholarship.
She said what his daughter did was considered disrespectful in his country and that his actions were meant as a preventative measure.
She said Alshaek has the support of the Saudi Arabian government, which provided Alshaek’s plane tickets for him and his family.
Alshaek was once again emotional before proceedings today.
Judge Jim Walsh pointed out that, “the conviction will serve to protect the public in the future,” as it will flag Alshaek if he tries to get back into the country.
As a condition of Alshaek leaving the country, the judge insisted that a representative from the embassy be present in court to ensure he is escorted personally back to Saudi Arabia.
A representative was in court today, assuring he would escort Alshaek part of the way and that another representative would be with him for the rest of the three-day trip.”
END
RodSerling says
p.s. Much of the linked Telegram article is written from the perspective of the Saudi father’s perspective. I’d like to hear the daughter’s perspective and what she reports he said. I suspect the father perceived that the daughter was wanting to marry a non-Muslim. I would imagine his defense lawyer wouldn’t want to present that, because it could be taken to reinforce the idea that he really wanted to kill her (it is a death penalty offense in sharia for a Muslim woman to have a relationship or marriage with a non-Muslim man). So instead he went with the claim that a Saudi parent has to approve any marriage (failure to obtain such approval is not a death penalty offense in sharia, and thus would be less likely to have provoked murderous rage).
RodSerling says
correction: “…perspective of the Saudi father.”
RodSerling says
Another variation of the above report, by the same author, has this:
http://www.thetelegram.com/News/Local/2014-03-25/article-3661839/Man-says-he-assaulted-daughter-as-a-means-of-discipline/1
““There are lots of cultural nuances in this case that we’re not used to,” [Alshaek’s defense lawyer] pointed out.”
I also had a look at some variations reported in other media (btw, the story has now reached the msm– ctv and cbc):
“Alshaek claimed the incident would never have happened if his daughter had told him she was married, saying that any shame and responsibility would have shifted from him to his daughter’s new husband.”
http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/saudi-man-ordered-to-leave-canada-after-choking-threatening-daughter-1.1745740#ixzz2x2hqGTGM
“Alshaek said he would not longer have been responsible for disciplining his daughter — that would fall to the husband.
His daughter, 30, went into the washroom to text her boyfriend, who happened to be at the police station laying charges against Alshaek for the earlier incident at the restaurant.
It turns out, his daughter had already married. Alshaek said through an interpreter that if he’d known that, it would have changed everything.”
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/father-ordered-to-leave-canada-after-choking-daughter-1.2585455
“The man was enraged because in his culture, any pre-marital relationship brings shame to the family. Once the man’s lawyer informed him that his daughter was in fact already married, he was relieved. Once a woman of the family’s culture is married, any disciplinary role in the woman’s life is handed over to the new husband.”
http://www.vocm.com/newsarticle.asp?mn=2&id=44668&popular=1
I still don’t think we’re getting the full story here. Almost all of this is from the father’s and defense lawyer’s version; we hear nothing from the daughter’s or her husband’s version.
Michael Copeland says
“if he had known his daughter was already married, he would not have reacted the way he did.”
No, he could have slit her throat, or shot her (Aqsa Parvez, Amina Said, Noor Almaleki and others and others and others).
Muslim says
If you want to learn about Islam, go study Islam, do not study Muslims.
Islam is perfect, Muslims are not.
I am a Muslim..
Islam is perfect but I am not.
If I make a mistake, blame it on me not on my religion..
I am Muslim, and I have friends from different religions.
we respect each other..
Honestly, what do you know about Islam?!
How much do you know about it?!
Think and read about it..
Do NOT be racist..
Geordie says
Thank you for commenting on this forum, your contribution is appreciated. Please stay and discus your opinions further.
You will soon discover that the people on this forum are very well informed when it comes to your islamic religion. Having studied it in great depth, many are of the opinion that Islam is barbaric, sexist, homophobic and rabidly anti-Semitic. It is totalitarian, and opposed to democracy. It is inherently fascist and far from perfect! This may come as a shock to you but it is also a religion and not a race.
Therefor your racist slur is uncalled for and deeply offensive, especially considering the international nature of this forum.
Now you need to justify your claims. If you can.
Jan says
islam is as islam does.
Geordie says
Islam only exists in the minds of it’s followers. the same as every ideology. Same as all deities, demons and ghoulish inventions of over active imaginations.
Muslim says
If you do not believe in Islam..
Just take a look..
http://www.eajaz.org/eajaz/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=147%3Awater-masses-mixed-but-distinguishable&catid=35%3Ageolgy-a-seas&Itemid=60&lang=en
you can read all the articles on this website..
Other thing I forgot to mintion is that Do not mix between Islam (the religion) and the traditions ( which is related to societies)..
Have a good weekend..
Person says
Fuck you
You want the world to all you want
We are Muslims and this culture must be respected
That searched for cons Islam ((which does not have its flaws))
Is found in Christ million defect and defect
This man Ruba daughter since she was small and tired a lot for it and traveled for it and for her education and eventually pushed him to prison
Where is the humanity here???
dumbledoresarmy says
Observe the whining, squealing mohammedans at the end of this thread, both of them busily attempting to defend the wholly indefensible.
The first one tries to pretend that anything bad that happens in this or that mohammedan society or family is the result of “tradition” rather than Islam. Never mind that this particular Muslim family came from *the* heartland of Islam, the place where the cult of blood and war *originated* (or is strongly believed to have originated), the place where no other religion has been permitted to be practised on pain of death for *over a thousand years*. There *is* no other ‘culture’ *left* in Saudi Arabia *but* Islam.
And, funnily enough, murders and attempted murders of deemed-insufficiently-subordinate females – especially daughters, murdered by their fathers or other male kin – are overwhelmingly prevalent in Muslim societies…no matter *where* those Muslim societies are in the world. In Muslim societies composed of peoples whose languages, ethnicities and pre-Islamic religious and cultural traditions and ways of life were *wildly* different. Islam inculcates a certain attitude toward women, no matter where it is; and that attitude *suffuses* the culture, producing what is in fact a remarkably *similar* atmospheric and remarkably similar practices (such as the wedding and bedding of little, little girls – how come Yemen and Afghanistan, worlds apart ethnically and linguistically and in terms of their pre-Islamic cultures, *both* enthusiastically practise child marriage and justify it from..the example of Mohammed and Aisha??) in *all* Muslim-dominated societies.
Worth noting, by the way, that this claim – “it’s not really Islam, it’s something else” – that is regularly made when non-Muslims notice (or try to punish) some particularly nasty – and, always, if one looks at the history and the texts, thoroughly Islamic practice – is not unlike the sorts of claims that used to be made by True Believers in Communism, whenever outsiders noticed the gross human rights abuses, mass murders, and such, that were prevalent in Soviet Russia and Mao’s China.
One must bear in mind also, whenever Muslims try to blame “culture” for evil things that Mohammedans are seen to have done, that Islam claims to be – and is frequently represented as – a “total way of Life”; that it manifestly *does* affect absolutely everything Muslims do, down to the smallest detail; that it is total and totalitarian; and that it *has* managed to utterly extirpate all sorts of aspects of the pre-Islamic cultures of the peoples it has most thoroughly possessed. So, when something like FGM survives in an Islamic society, it is safest to assume that if the Muslim gang bosses had *wanted* to wipe it out, they *would* have…but since they haven’t ever bothered to get rid of it, they didn’t *want* to get rid of it.
The attempt to separate “Islam” from “culture” in socieites that have been as ferociously and totally Islamic, for so long, as Saudi Arabia, is nonsensical. In places like that, Islam *is* the ‘culture’; it *is* the tradition; there is nothing much left but Islam.
The second mohammedan poster, beginning with an obscenity, then *attempts to justify the Saudi Muslim man’s attempted murder of his daughter* and – obscenely, vilely, whiningly – *blames the victim*. ::puke::
Frankly, I don’t feel the tiniest smidgen of sympathy for this murderous high -on-hubris control freak mohammedan father. He attacked and tried to murder his daughter because she chose *not* to be a meek, mindless chattel, ; because she *dared* to fall in love with and marry a man of her own choosing. In Western terms, she is of age; she is a legal adult, NOT a minor, NOT a child, and is free to marry another consenting adult of her own choice. And in choosing somebody *not* from Saudi Arabia, somebody who is *not* her or her father’s or mother’s first cousin, she made a very sensible human choice; any children she has will be much more likely to be healthy and free of nasty genetic diseases. It’s called *outbreeding*.
Frankly, I don’t believe a word of what this Saudi Muslim man is reported to have said. He’s an abuser, through and through, and he will say whatever he thinks will get him off, and push the blame onto his daughter …and whatever he thinks will protect Islam from too much critical scrutiny. He will lie, and lie, and lie; the prosecution should *begin* with the assumption that he will lie, and blame-shift, and try to play the victim.
dumbledoresarmy says
For the further information of those who may google their way in here at any time from now on.
A classic article on Mohammedan family violence, by “Spengler”, columnist at the “Asia Times” publication.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/LE25Ak01.html
Wife-beating, sharia, and Western law
The first part of that article discusses both wife-beating and “honor” murders (whether of wives or of daughters):
“More than the Koran’s sanction of wife-beating, the legal grounds on which the Koran sanctions it reveals an impassable gulf between Islamic and Western law.
“The sovereign grants inalienable rights to every individual in Western society, of which protection from violence is foremost.
“Every individual stands in direct relation to the state, which wields a monopoly of violence.
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“Islam’s legal system is radically different: the father is a “governor” or “administrator” of the family, that is, a little sovereign within his domestic realm, with the right to employ violence to control his wife and children.
“That is the self-understanding of modern Islam spelled out by Muslim-American scholars – and it is incompatible with the Western concept of human rights.
“The practice of wife-beating, which is found in Muslim communities in Western countries, is embedded too profoundly in sharia law to be extracted.
“Nowhere to my knowledge has a Muslim religious authority of standing repudiated wife-beating as specified in Surah 4:32 of the Koran, for to do so would undermine the foundations of Muslim society.
“**By extension, the power of the little sovereign of the family can include the killing of wayward wives and female relations.
**Execution for domestic crimes, often called “honor killing”, is not mentioned in the Koran, but the practice is so widespread in Muslim countries – the United Nations Population Fund estimates an annual toll of 5,000 – that it is recognized in what we might term Islamic common law.** {my emphasis – dda}.
“Muslim courts either do not prosecute so-called honor killings, or prosecute them more leniently than other crimes. Article 340 of Jordan’s penal code states, “He who discovers his wife or one of his female relatives committing adultery and kills, wounds, or injures one of them, is exempted from any penalty.” Syria imposes only a two-year prison sentence for such killings. Pakistan forbids them but rarely punishes them….”.
Click on the link, read the rest of it.
And then there is Phyllis Chesler, feminist, who in her youth experienced purdah first hand in a well-to-do Afghan Muslim family, and only by a miracle managed to escape alive, discussing “honor” murders.
http://www.meforum.org/2067/are-honor-killings-simply-domestic-violence
Are Honor Killings Simply Domestic Violence?
by Phyllis Chesler Middle East Quarterly Spring 2009, pp. 61-69
“…Analysis of more than fifty reported honor killings shows they differ significantly from more common domestic violence.
“The frequent argument made by Muslim advocacy organizations that honor killings have nothing to do with Islam and that it is discriminatory to differentiate between honor killings and domestic violence is wrong.”…
“…honor killing is accelerating in North America and may correlate with the numbers of first generation immigrants.
“The problem is diverse but originates with immigration from majority Muslim countries and regions—the Palestinian territories, the Kurdish regions of Turkey and Iraq, majority Muslim countries in the Balkans, Bangladesh, Egypt, and Afghanistan. Pakistanis accounts for the plurality.
“**The common denominator in each case is not culture but religion.** [my emphasis – dda}.
Again: click on the link, read the whole thing.
And another article by the same author, making similar points:
http://www.phyllis-chesler.com/764/worldwide-trends-in-honor-killings
Worldwide Trends in Honor Killings
“…The level of primal, sadistic, or barbaric savagery shown in honor killings towards a female family intimate more closely approximates some of the murders in the West perpetrated by serial killers against prostitutes or randomly selected women.
“It also suggests that gender separatism, the devaluation of girls and women, normalized child abuse, including arranged child marriages of both boys and girls, sexual repression, misogyny (sometimes inspired by misogynist interpretations of the Qur’an), and the demands made by an increase in the violent ideology of jihad all lead to murderous levels of aggression towards girls and women.
“One only has to kill a few girls and women to keep the others in line.
“Honor killings are, in a sense, a form of domestic terrorism, meant to ensure that Muslim women wear the Islamic veil, have Muslim babies, and mingle only with other Muslims…”.
Geordie says
Observe the whining, squealing mohammedans at the end of this thread, both of them busily attempting to defend the wholly indefensible.
dumbledor wrote: The first one tries to pretend that anything bad that happens in this or that mohammedan society or family is the result of “tradition” rather than Islam. Never mind that this particular Muslim family came from *the* heartland of Islam, the place where the cult of blood and war *originated* (or is strongly believed to have originated), the place where no other religion has been permitted to be practised on pain of death for *over a thousand years*. There *is* no other ‘culture’ *left* in Saudi Arabia *but* Islam.
Well said. Islam is so totalitarian that it is the only culture permissible in muslim lands. Even once great societies as the Egyptians and Persians had their own religions and culture destroyed by the barbaric Arabic conquerors.
Only in the western free world is islam forced to obey civilised customs and laws. Or at least that was always the way until muslims began to complain bitterly and ask for special privileges to practice their barbaric sharia.
Abo says
You feel unsecured, so you want to kick all Muslims out from Canada, on the other hand you (Westerners) talk about freedom of speech and freedom of religion, this hypocrisy .
The man punished for what he did, and the case closed . When a bishop or church man assault a child sexually, will you attach his religion ?
Reality Check says
Yes, we want to kick all Muslims out of our world because Muslims want to destroy our world and replace with Sharia law, and Sharia law always destroys the freedom of speech and freedom of religion because Sharia recognizes only one religion – Islam.
In the meantime, don’t you even dare to use “freedom of speech” and “freedom of religion” in your posts – the unwanted locusts like you use and abuse them all the time and kill everybody who dares to exercise them in the countries dominated by Islam.
You don’t like our world and you have no right to be here, so go back to the Muslim shithole you came from. The chances are it was a total shithole or you’d never leave it to go to Canada – and while in Canada, remember that everybody has the right to tell you in the face all the things you don’t like to hear about your religion. This is what freedom of speech is about.
The reason you can practice Islam freely in Canada is that we will not cut your throat for having a religion different from ours, which is what Muslims do all the time around the world. Just seeing someone like you take advantage of something he does not accept in his country of birth makes my skin crawl.
And try to learn some English. It’s interesting that you live in Canada and can’t write correct English, but you Muslims are never capable of mastering anything to perfection, except the hypocrisy you are talking about.