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China: Islamic jihadists murder 27, injure 109 in jihad attack at Kunming railway station

Mar 1, 2014 12:39 pm By Robert Spencer

KunmingThis report from Straits Times says the attackers were “unidentified armed gunmen,” and adds: “One of the Weibo users said she saw a group of men in black, chasing people with two long knives.” At LiveLeak (thanks to a) there are many photos taken in the immediate aftermath of the attack (warning: some of them quite graphic), with the heading: “Seems to be happening right now. Uighurs fighters/muslims attacking civilians.”

“27 dead, 109 injured in Kunming railway station attack,” from Straits Times, March 2:

KUNMING – Unidentified armed gunmen reportedly stormed a railway station in Kunming, capital of southwest China’s Yunnan Province, yesterday, leaving 27 dead and at least 109 injured, reports said.

Few details were available of the attack.

Pictures circulating on Sina Weibo, the Chinese equivalent of Twitter, showed bodies splattered with blood on the floor. Medical attendants can be seen taking patients to a local hospital and police patrolling the station, Xinhua said.

One of the Weibo users said she saw a group of men in black, chasing people with two long knives.

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Comments

  1. Krusader Dmitry says

    Mar 1, 2014 at 12:42 pm

    I know the Chinese don’t give a crap about PC, let muslim head rolling begin. God’s Speed!

    • Tradewinds says

      Mar 1, 2014 at 4:45 pm

      Muslims/Islam should be sent to another planet as they’re fouling up the Earth.

      • George says

        Mar 15, 2014 at 10:42 am

        Haven’t christians killed many more people than muslims?

        • dumbledoresarmy says

          Apr 5, 2014 at 5:51 pm

          Typical whataboutery.

          And wrong.

          The latest guesstimate re the number of humans butchered directly by Mohammedans, in the course of the past 14 centuries, in express obedience to the open-ended murderous instructions in the Islamic canonical texts (which are manifestly more violent than the texts of any other extant and still practised religion on planet earth), is something like 270 million – that is, a quarter billion. Most of the victims were either black Africans or Buddhist and Hindu Indians.

          And most of the mass-murdering was done at times when total world population of humans was a lot less than it is now.

          Islam is a death cult: a human sacrifice cult: a religion of blood and war.

    • vicki almond says

      Mar 2, 2014 at 6:19 am

      the muslims made a huge mistake attacking the chinese…yes, heads will roll for sure, china will show the rest of the world how to do it!!

      • Charles Benson says

        Mar 4, 2014 at 11:23 pm

        It is time that somebody fights back. I am getting sick of this sick crap, these lunatics won’t leave anybody alone. I am glad they did jump on China, they will destroy them.

  2. Shannon Shanmann Campbell says

    Mar 1, 2014 at 12:57 pm

    Wow

  3. ralphyboy says

    Mar 1, 2014 at 1:02 pm

    They’ll be sorry they messed with China. China does not have its hands tied with political correctness like the west. They might just go and kill an equal number from a muslim area and bury them in pig guts just like Blackjack Pershing.

    • Moss says

      Mar 1, 2014 at 3:36 pm

      You fking scumbags this is the only website implicating Muslims were involved. Any excuse to blame the Muslims. Bdw you stupid chinese fucks Muslims rule the world so if it was Muslims I hope they come for you as well you bastard il fuck your mum covered in pig guts how about that?

      • Mazo says

        Mar 1, 2014 at 4:06 pm

        @Moss

        No where did ralphyboy indicate he was Chinese. Ralphyboy is a westerner like the majority of other commentators of jihadwatch. Alot of these westerners make “cheerleading” posts like this urging other countries to massacre Muslims, it does not mean they are from those countries or that people from those countries agree with their views.

        If a Gambian starts saying that Zambians should murder Muslims, why attack the Zambian?

        • Mazo says

          Mar 1, 2014 at 4:17 pm

          I should note this is what we are getting angry about with JW.

          Stupid, violent, xenophobic westerners “speak” in the name of east asian people, threaten mass murders of Muslims and covering them in pig guts, and cause anti-asian sentiment when people mistake these violent westerners for asians. Moss mistook the westerner Ralphyboy for a Chinese.

        • gravenimage says

          Mar 2, 2014 at 1:15 pm

          Mazo wrote:

          I should note this is what we are getting angry about with JW.
          …………………………………….

          Please note that Mazo expresses no anger at the savage Jihadists (and yes, it has been confirmed that the terrorists were Muslim) who attacked a civilian train station and slaughtered thirty innocent people and injured many more—he is just angry at the people who would condemn such an act.

      • Igor Pobedonosets says

        Mar 1, 2014 at 4:26 pm

        suck it muslim shit.

        • Defcon 4 says

          Mar 2, 2014 at 11:56 pm

          Seconded.

        • Maria says

          Mar 7, 2014 at 11:07 am

          Fuck you

      • Tradewinds says

        Mar 1, 2014 at 4:52 pm

        “Muslims rule the world” – Hah! That’s hilarious. You mean Muslims RUIN the world. And take your foul mouth and shove it Muslim. YOU are the “fking scumbag.” Stupid, violent, xenophobic Muslims constantly mass-murdering people.

      • BlueRaven says

        Mar 1, 2014 at 5:03 pm

        Hey FckFce check out the images of this massacre on “LiveLeak ” posted in the article near the top.

        News from China – “”State television said on its official microblog that the incident had been deemed a “violent terror attack”.””

        I don’t know of any civilized beings do this kind of thing. I put a wager on, it has the hallmark of an Islamic attack. There is no other religion consistently as freaky as Islam and for that long – talking of over thousand years.

        Come back and apology for your rant when the details of this attack unfolded – I guess not – you are just another racists humanphobic Muzzy.

      • islamisdeath says

        Mar 1, 2014 at 6:03 pm

        Clearly you are afflicted with islam as all carriers of the disease descend into inane, uncontrolled use of the F word and other foul language as they plunge into completely mindless rants.

      • knower says

        Mar 1, 2014 at 10:43 pm

        It’s the muslims dude. You’re in denial.

      • Mary Sue says

        Mar 2, 2014 at 7:41 am

        Please to explain, WHO ELSE could it have been?

      • go away muslim says

        Mar 2, 2014 at 4:49 pm

        it ant the only website that say’s it was muslims http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2570996/At-27-dead-109-injured-gang-knife-wielding-men-attack-train-station-China.html

        http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-02/33-killed-in-mass-stabbing-at-china-train-station/5293220

        muslims should be gone sick fuck’s

      • Defcon 4 says

        Mar 2, 2014 at 11:09 pm

        Because the enemedia lies for muslime scumbags like you, but despite all your lies, the PRC knows the truth and your muslime buddies are in for some ass kicking, and it couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch of vermin.

  4. herta Manenti says

    Mar 1, 2014 at 1:15 pm

    I am not very clear on the Islamic Jihadists, what is the source of info ? They have already enough trouble in xingjiang without being the immediate scape goat of any violent action that happens in RPC . The report states exactly the following ” Unidentified armed gunmen” . Mr Spencer, what exactly you aim at with writing such a misleading title?

    • panther says

      Mar 1, 2014 at 1:22 pm

      There are more than 1 million musslamans in Yunan province.
      Haven’t you ever heard of the adage; ‘wherever moslems go the violence follows’.

      • Mazo says

        Mar 1, 2014 at 1:25 pm

        Those Muslims in Yunnan are Hui, and have nothing to do with the Uyghurs. They aren’t seperatist. Stop manufacturing lies.

        • dual space says

          Mar 1, 2014 at 1:49 pm

          I am from Kunming and the perps are muslims from xinjiang. so shove your complaints up your behind!

        • Mazo says

          Mar 1, 2014 at 2:25 pm

          @dual space

          I doubt you are in Kunming right now, if you even are from there, and note that in the post you quoted, I was specifically replying to panthey who suggested that the local (Hui) Yunnan Muslims were responsible, not Uyghurs from Xinjiang. If the prepetrators are Uyghurs from Xinjiang, my reply to Panther is still valid-

          “Those Muslims in Yunnan are Hui, and have nothing to do with the Uyghurs. They aren’t seperatist. Stop manufacturing lies.”

          If you are Chinese, I urge you not to be taken in by these people wo have no idea what they are talking about.

        • kepha says

          Mar 1, 2014 at 5:11 pm

          Mazo is right. The Hui are not separatist, although I don’t doubt that a lot of Hui would probably support a general, multi-faceted, regime change-minded anti-Communist movement if it got going in China (just as a lot of them joined the Communists in the 1940’s, when they thought the Communists might solve China’s problems rather than acerbate them), and there’d probably be some Hui mullahs who’d declare it a jihad (as they declared the war against Japanese aggression in the 1930’s)–as well as supportive of other Chinese who joined it.

          And, are we sure it’s Uighurs here? Any possibility of some drug gangs having a go at each other, or taking a chunk out of a corrupt officialdom that reneged on a deal ? It is Yunnan, which has very deep and strong ties to the Golden Triangle, after all.

          If, for the sake of argument, this is an attack by Sharki Turkistan separatists, it goes to show that a totalitarian government like Mainland China’s is actually a weak reed to lean on in the fight with global jihad. It also shows that the Chinese gummint has gone inept in dealing with it. If all you have is force to hold a movement or state together, you’re losing. Even back in 500 B.C., Kong Zi recognized that popular faith in the state is more important than sufficient food as a pillar of stability. Given that even in places where Islam is nonexistent in China, such as Wukan, Guangdong, there are pricks and jabs at the regime, and in places like Lufeng, Guangdong, there have been periods when the writ of the government could be overridden by a well-organized criminal gang. We’ve had a pro-regime Hong Kong economist tell a meeting of high officials that every province in China was a “Greece” when he thought nobody else was listening. There has also been labor unrest, corruption scandals (Bo Xilai was just the tip of the iceberg), and other messes, too. My guess is that the Sharki Turkistan separatists, like a lot of other things happening in China, may simply be a warning that the last, best hope for 20th century totalitarianism may not be as well off as it appears–even if it doesn’t go for any of this EmCeePeeCee 狗屎.

        • voegelinian says

          Mar 1, 2014 at 6:03 pm

          Ah I see; the Hui Muslims are Moderates. So that’s where that fabled creature dwells…:)

    • Buraq says

      Mar 1, 2014 at 2:46 pm

      @ herta Menenti

      It states clearly on the Live Leak site : “Seems to be happening right now. Uighurs fighters/muslims attacking civilians.”

      You’re a wire-wigged, red-nosed, baggy-trousered clown!

  5. Mazo says

    Mar 1, 2014 at 1:19 pm

    And with no reliable sources whatsoever besides liveleak, JW jumps to the conclusion that these must be the Uyghurs when both the Chinese and western media said that the assailants were unknown.

    Mass stabbings which has nothing to do with Muslims have occured before in China, before embarrasing yourself, wait for the media to confirm who did it.

    I’ve dealt with Muslims from China, they keep their religion to themselves unlike some annoying people, and don’t harass non-Muslim Chinese through proseletyzing like Protestant missionaries do. Its not just because of Communists, they never tried to engage in mass proseletyzing for hundreds of years while living in China.

    The conflict in Xinjiang is a bunch of Uyghur wannabe jihadists with knives, who try to make themselves look more religious and fanatic than they really are. Actually the Hui Muslims are much, much more religious than the Uyghur, and they don’t have any seperatist problems.

    The Uyghurs once tried declaring an “Islamic” Republic in 1933, with all the usual proclamation of jihad and religious law, only to get their butts kicked when Hui Muslims decided to dismantle their little project and then the Uyghurs found out they they weren’t in the mood for martyrdom and ran for their lives from the Hui.

    The reason for Uyghur discontent is poverty, drug abuse, and ethnic nationalism.

    If the attackers turn out not to be Uyghurs, go eat a tub of sand and never ever stick your nose into asian affairs again….

    • Jay Boo says

      Mar 1, 2014 at 1:41 pm

      One way to determine if the attackers are in fact Muslims is to see how CAIR, BBC, NPR, and leftist university professors react.
      If they suddenly begin a preemptive strike and start a new round of bad mouthing the Chinese government repression then it is all but certain.

    • kevin says

      Mar 1, 2014 at 2:47 pm

      what part of sura 9:5 that commands the muslims to kill the disbelievers, do you not understand? i am irish and bearded immigrant muslim buffoons are always setting up dawah stalls in my home city, the sooner muslims are kicked out of the civilized world the better, this has all the hall marks of islam, even kids are butchered by these animals, you are making great excuses, we all know that islam tells you to tell lies to protect your evil religion, it is you that will eat a tub of sand, islam started in the deserts and the deserts is where it will some day belong, so roll up your pagan prayer mat, put your little carpet under your arm and go back home

      • Mazo says

        Mar 1, 2014 at 2:52 pm

        What part of “I was only talking about Muslims in China and not from other parts of the world” didn’t you understand?

        • kevin says

          Mar 1, 2014 at 3:42 pm

          Muslims have a history of butchering chinese kids in their schools, maybe you are new to the real world, but i see that you agree that muslims are told in sura 9:5 to kill disbelievers, that is why it is not just confined to china, muslims want to do the same in the west when they take over, pre-emptive measures will be taking soon enough to stop you, so take my advice and go back home to tend some goats in the deserts, civilization and islam do not mix, that is plain to see

        • Mazo says

          Mar 1, 2014 at 4:07 pm

          @Kevin

          The school massacres were not committed by Muslims. Come again.

        • kevin says

          Mar 1, 2014 at 5:06 pm

          The muslims have a long history of murdering buddhists in their schools, the famous Nalanda University was burnt to the ground with buddhist monks and students thrown into its flames, also the worst school massacre in recent history was in beslan russia, where 100s of kids were raped and then blown up by the muslim flat earth fanatics, not to mention the recent murder of 59 students in nigeria that were slaughtered and also burnt alive, show me one other religious group that targets kids in schools, you will find none outside of islam, what is funny is muslims even burn their own kids in schools, a few years ago in saudi arabia, young girls were forced back into a burning school, because they were not wearing veils and this would have caused a public outrage, so the girls were sent back into the flames and many died as a result and you dare to come here and defend your evil cult?

    • Sovereign Man says

      Mar 1, 2014 at 2:56 pm

      Look at the idiotic way that AP portrays this story:

      http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/03/01/gang-knife-wielding-men-in-deadly-attacks-on-china-train-station/

      “The motive behind the attack was not immediately clear, but China has seen a number of mass stabbings and other attacks carried out by people bearing grudges against society.”

      Just some slightly annoyed youths of unknown affiliation between ages 15-50 at it again. Huh, what’s Islam? Never heard of it.

      • Defcon 4 says

        Mar 2, 2014 at 11:59 pm

        Just like the attack on the power station near Silicon Valley, no one can guess who the attackers were or what their motives could be. It could be they just had a really bad day at work, or maybe their girlfriend left them.

    • gravenimage says

      Mar 2, 2014 at 1:29 pm

      Mazo wrote:

      The conflict in Xinjiang is a bunch of Uyghur wannabe jihadists with knives, who try to make themselves look more religious and fanatic than they really are.
      ………………………………

      These “wannabe” Jihadists are amassing quite a body count, so on what basis does Mazo conclude that they are not real Jihadists?

      And the idea that Jihadists are *not* religious and fanatic when they are murdering Infidels on the openly avowed basis of their vile creed is ludicrous.

      Mazo reminds me of “Horse”, who used to engage in the very same Muslim apologia here.

  6. panther says

    Mar 1, 2014 at 1:31 pm

    Accusing Mr. Spencer of reporting hastily & without waiting for the facts, the same could be said in your case (herta maneti & mazo) too. Let’s wait for another few minutes & see who “eats the tub of sand”.
    “Seems to be happening right now. Uighurs fighters/muslims attacking civilians.” It’s a ‘LiveLeak’ heading NOT JW.
    Also I would like to see a copy of Mr. mazo’s exclusive copyright to ‘Asian affairs’.

    • Mazo says

      Mar 1, 2014 at 3:03 pm

      LiveLeak is a user generated content site, not a news organization.

      • BlueRaven says

        Mar 1, 2014 at 5:34 pm

        Mazo – why do you run away from the rebuttals to your worthless piece of conclusions? Kevin posted a list of children’s massacres by the scum-bag Muslims, what do you have to say to that?

        Another thing, go and get gone out of here – never tell us what we can and cant do.

        • thomas_h says

          Mar 1, 2014 at 6:43 pm

          “Mazo – why do you run away from the rebuttals to your worthless piece of conclusions?””

          Because as a good Muhammedan he hides when caught lying. But that doesn’t mean he won’t come up with the same lie again on some other thread, or blog. A good Muhammedans is immune to shame and embarrassment. Just as his murderous, lying, pig-prophet.

  7. Jan Strucker says

    Mar 1, 2014 at 2:15 pm

    This is coming to a US city near you.. unless we stop it.

  8. Consensius Colleus says

    Mar 1, 2014 at 2:20 pm

    The Chinese will crush the Muslims!

    • Tradewinds says

      Mar 1, 2014 at 2:39 pm

      Hope so. Crush the barbarians.

  9. Tradewinds says

    Mar 1, 2014 at 2:37 pm

    The mass-murdering Muslims again following their evil ideology Islam.

    Islam – a curse and plague on the world. Oh and go pound sand, Mazo.

  10. panther says

    Mar 1, 2014 at 2:40 pm

    Mr. mazo wrote:
    “I was specifically replying to panthey who suggested that the local (Hui) Yunnan Muslims were responsible, not Uyghurs from Xinjiang. If the prepetrators are Uyghurs from Xinjiang, my reply to Panther is still valid”

    You my dear sir, clearly have some reading, writing problem.

    Please read my earlier post again:
    “There are more than 1 million musslamans in Yunan province.
    Haven’t you ever heard of the adage; ‘wherever moslems go the violence follows’.”

    Did I ever mentioned which moslem ethnic group is responsible???

    • Mazo says

      Mar 1, 2014 at 2:43 pm

      Yes, you implied that the local population of 1 million (Hui) Muslims in Yunnan committed the violence, while they did not.

      • Medina says

        Mar 1, 2014 at 2:48 pm

        Would you like to make a wager? ” They did it” says you leave JW forever.

  11. Matthew Stephen Boyall says

    Mar 1, 2014 at 2:48 pm

    Nothing on the news! Shocking!

  12. dual space says

    Mar 1, 2014 at 2:59 pm

    I still haven’t seen “Kepha” coming out and celebrate this attack. According to this guy who is Chinese ethnically but white imperialist ideologically, all the victims are the so-called “chicoms”who deserve to be killed by islamic militants.

    • Mazo says

      Mar 1, 2014 at 4:20 pm

      Every single poster who supports this blog is in favor of western imperialism. They are apologizers for western imperialism not just on Muslims, but non-Muslims as well, and then they try to speak in our name and hide behind our backs to insult Muslims, like good old Ralphyboy who is too cowardly to reveal his race.

      • voegelinian says

        Mar 1, 2014 at 6:09 pm

        From your lips to Allah’s shin!

      • No1 says

        Mar 1, 2014 at 6:09 pm

        And you are an apologist for Islamic terrorism who, like Ayatollah Khomeini, justifies the atrocious crimes of Muslims with reference to Western imperialism, as though Muslims have no autonomy or minds of their own save for pure reaction.

      • PGuud says

        Mar 1, 2014 at 6:20 pm

        Mazo,

        If you defend Islam, you deserve to be censured.

        You seem to be under the impression that only the West is anti-Islam. Have you looked around? Islam is a global cancer. It’s a pandemic. Humanity will never face a more pernicious disease.

        Islam: where freedom ends and slavery begins.

      • Defcon 4 says

        Mar 3, 2014 at 12:02 am

        Your spew never has any regard for the najjis kaffir victims and I don’t have to wonder why lying islam0nazi.

  13. Mazo says

    Mar 1, 2014 at 3:01 pm

    Asian people, (East and Southeast asians) don’t want to get into your silly western vs Islam fights, not interested.

    • gfmucci says

      Mar 1, 2014 at 6:17 pm

      It appears Mazo is as out of touch as a rock. Or he is also a practitioner of taqiyya (aka as lying his a– off) along with his Islamic buds.

    • Januk36 says

      Mar 2, 2014 at 5:20 am

      @Mazo: Islam vs rest of the world fight would be a more accurate depiction of the current state of affairs. The same is going on in the Philippines, in India and why not mentioning the second class citizens of Malaysia of Chinese ethnicity ?

    • gravenimage says

      Mar 2, 2014 at 1:42 pm

      Mazo wrote:

      Asian people, (East and Southeast asians) don’t want to get into your silly western vs Islam fights, not interested.
      ……………………………..

      Muslims are butchering Infidels in Burma, in Thailand, in the Philippines, and, as here, in China.

      This has nothing whatsoever to do with the West—excepting only that Islam is also waging Jihad against the West—and against Russians, and Indians, and sub-Saharan Africans…

      So are you suggesting that Asians should submit to Muslim savagery in order to prove that they are not in support of the West?

      Of course you are. Any time a Muslim apologist can find a “reason” that infidels should not oppose their own slaughter, he will flog it.

  14. Tradewinds says

    Mar 1, 2014 at 3:07 pm

    The mass-murdering Muslims again. They must be stopped.

  15. Champ says

    Mar 1, 2014 at 3:33 pm

    Yes, this is classic mohammeda SAVAGERY! …and prophet muhammad (perdition be upon him) was a mass-murderer, too!

    Sick evil prophet = sick evil slaves!

  16. duh_swami says

    Mar 1, 2014 at 3:37 pm

    ‘It’s Islam stupid’. And the Chinese know how to handle it. It does not matter what you Mahoundian experts think, it’s what the Chinese think that counts…

    • kikorikid says

      Mar 2, 2014 at 2:30 pm

      As mentioned above, China is not PC.
      Mazo is Taqiyya on the hoof.
      China WILL take forceful action against
      Jihadis.

  17. Arrow says

    Mar 1, 2014 at 4:51 pm

    Mazo acts like the resident expert in Asian affairs, but 95% victims of religiously motivated Islamic violence are in Asia. Not Europe, Not North America , Not Australia and not Latin America. Only a tiny 5% of victims are in Africa . Mazo – did you shove sand up your Ass? BTW I’m Asian .

    • Mazo says

      Mar 1, 2014 at 4:57 pm

      Middle east is closer to Europe, I’m talking about east and southeast asia.

  18. arrow says

    Mar 1, 2014 at 5:05 pm

    Most weapons and armaments used by Islamist terror worldwide trace their origin to China – Including Knock-Off versions of AK-47 since its russian inventors freely allowed it to be copied – ‘socialist altruism’ . Now fate bites back china – and victims are the innocent. China is ashamed to admit that it partly created this monster . Remember OBL praised China for its ancient culture – I guess his brigands were well supplied from China thro Pakistan.

    • Mazo says

      Mar 1, 2014 at 5:09 pm

      Except you didn’t even read the article, which didn’t name who was responsible, and which noted that only knives were used, no guns, by the attacks.

      Bin Laden also said nothing about China’s culture.

      • Arrow says

        Mar 1, 2014 at 5:21 pm

        Ok – you win. But My comment was more general, and did not have any reference to this attack – given that a lot of Islamist terrorists have used chinese made weapons , and suddenly China deals with this tragedy . Maybe China should use better judgement who to sell arms to . OBL allegedly made reference to China being the world’s oldest culture.

        After all China doesn’t have 2 oceans isolating it from the world of religious terror like America does.

        • Mazo says

          Mar 1, 2014 at 6:40 pm

          Bin Laden did not say China was the world’s oldest culture, Doku Umarov said that.

          Umarov was taking a swipe at the Russians and Americans when he made that statement.

      • voegelinian says

        Mar 1, 2014 at 6:20 pm

        This attack sounds like the classic social psychosis that used to be clinically known as “running amok” (that phrase is in the old Dorland’s Medical Dictionary.

        As I wrote on my blog:

        Postscript: “Running Amok”

        I recall, a few years before 9/11 while working in a doctor’s office, I was looking through a Dorland’s Illustrated Medical Dictionary (26th edition, 1985), my eyes happened to alight on the word “amok” (a word I never would have expected to see in a medical dictionary). The definition provided an intriguing multicultural glimpse:

        amok [Malay “impulse to murder”] — a psychic disturbance seen chiefly in Malaysia, the Philippines,and parts of Africa, marked chiefly by sudden homicidal mania, screaming, and attacks on people and inanimate objects, tending to result in social retribution and leading to the death of the individual.

        While I commend the 1985 Dorland’s medical dictionary for being so “culturally incorrect”, I suspect they, and the Western medical and anthropological community in general have not even bothered to consider the Islam factor in explaining this “psychic disturbance” — particularly as the regions cited are all heavily influenced by Islamic demographics and historical conquest.

        More recently, I checked the charming “Hobson-Jobson” reference, subtitled A Glossary of Colloquial Anglo-Indian Words and Phrases, and found some interesting entries for “amok” (and its older variant, “amuck”). We see that the problem of running amok also included India. Hm; another place where millions of Muslims live. Coincidence?

        On pages 18-19, for example, we read:

        A MUCK, to run, v. There is we believe no room for doubt that, to us at least, this expression came from the Malay countries, where both the phrase and the practice are still familiar. Some valuable remarks on the phenomenon, as prevalent among the Malays, were contributed by Dr Oxley of Singapore to the Journal of the Indian Archipelago, vol. iii. p. 532; see a quotation below. [Mr W. W. Skeat writes —

        “The best explanation of the fact is perhaps that it was the Malay national method of committing suicide, especially as one never hears of Malays committing suicide in any other way. This form of suicide may arise from a wish to die fighting and thus avoid a ‘straw death, a cow’s death’; but it is curious that women and children are often among the victims, and especially members of the suicide’s own family. The act of running amuck is probably due to causes over which the culprit has some amount of control, as the custom has now died out in the British Possessions in the Peninsula, the offenders probably objecting to being caught and tried in cold blood. I remember hearing of only about two cases (one by a Sikh soldier) in about six years. It has been suggested further that the extreme monotonous heat of the Peninsula may have conduced to such outbreaks as those of Running amuck and Latah.]”

        The word is by Crawfurd ascribed to the Javanese, and this is his explanation:

        “Amuk (J.). An a-muck; to run a-muck; to tilt; to run furiously and desperately at any one; to make a furious onset or charge in combat.” — (Malay Dict.) [The standard Malay, according to Mr Skeat, is rather amok (mengāmok).]

        Sounds like inghimas to me.

        Pages 19-21 have more on the Indian origins and incidences, as well as Javanese — though of course never do the sources, even old ones before the dominance of PC MC, consider Islam as a root cause. One even went so far as to conjecture that the Indian climate was to blame. How can people be so dense?

        Then we have this evidence from the Muslim history of the Philippines, concerning the 16th century (though can we doubt it continued to flare up in the following centuries…?):

        With the possible exception of Japan’s kamikaze pilots in the closing days of World War II, warfare has rarely known a more frightening phenomenon than the juramentados. Known as sabers by the Maranao and sabils by the Tau Sug, juramentados were [Muslim] fanatics who, believing that they would enter Paradise if killed in battle against infidels, would whip themselves into obsessed states of self-hypnosis and, kris [a dagger] in hand, charge blindly into the ranks of the enemy, be he Spaniard, American, Japanese or Filipino. In this semimystical trance the juramentados often raced directly into heavy volleys of rifle fire, shrugged off incredible wounds, and had to be killed on their feet literally, before their attack ended.

        Sounds like inghimas to me.

        The article adds that:

        These slashing attacks kept the Spanish in a constant state of terror…

        Yep. That’s the Islamic idea.

        [P.S.: inghimas is an Islamic tactic that has its origins right to the very beginning of Islam, and there is no reason to think Muslims haven’t continued this tactic: it literally means “plunge into” — as in plunge into a crowd of the enemy and kill them (originally with swords and knives) and die while killing (in harmony with Koran 9:111).]

        [Also, my essay suggested that this “running amok” phenomenon is not only probably of Islamic origin, but also far more widespread throughout SE and Central Asia than scholars have appreciated — not only Malaysia, Indonesia, Philippines, and India; but also perhaps China. ]

        http://hesperado.blogspot.com/2012/06/two-more-arabic-words-to-learn-from.html

        • Mazo says

          Mar 1, 2014 at 6:28 pm

          I posted on Moro parang sabil (Juramentado) attacks already. The Moros only performed them on enemies during wartime.

          Non-Muslim Chinese and Moros would fight the Spanish and Japanese side by side. The Juramentado’s knife was only reserved for foreign invaders, not non-Muslim allies like Chinese.

          http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/02/philippines-frees-jihad-leader-to-make-peace-with-milf

          http://books.google.com/books?id=wvkMAQAAMAAJ&q=The+juramentado's+act+was+occasionally+performed+against+the+Japanese+during+World+War+1+1+—and+the+Japanese+were+clearly+defined+as+enemies.+The+juramentado+never+went+after+Chinese+residents+in+spite+of+the+fact+that+the+Chinese+were+non-Muslim.&dq=The+juramentado's+act+was+occasionally+performed+against+the+Japanese+during+World+War+1+1+—and+the+Japanese+were+clearly+defined+as+enemies.+The+juramentado+never+went+after+Chinese+residents+in+spite+of+the+fact+that+the+Chinese+were+non-Muslim.&hl=en&sa=X&ei=BNkpUqeuCIe54APy-YDYDQ&ved=0CDQQ6AEwAQ

          “The juramentado’s act was occasionally performed against the Japanese during World War 1 1 —and the Japanese were clearly defined as enemies. The juramentado never went after Chinese residents in spite of the fact that the Chinese were non-Muslim.”

          The Malay and Javanese Amok has nothing to do with the Moro Parang Sabil, the Malays and Javanese only killed their fellow co-ethnics while flying into a meaningless and pointless rage.

          Uyghurs have no tradition of such attacks, nor much of a martial tradition at all.

        • voegelinian says

          Mar 2, 2014 at 2:00 am

          ” The Moros only performed them on enemies during wartime. ”

          The problem with Muslims (viz., “Moros”) is that their conception of who the “enemy” is, and when is it “wartime” is far broader and more fanatically deranged than the conception of normal peoples of the world.

    • kepha says

      Mar 1, 2014 at 5:51 pm

      And OBL never said a thing about how Mao’s Red Guards murdered Muslim farmers who refused to raise the “black bug” (pig).

      • voegelinian says

        Mar 2, 2014 at 2:51 pm

        It’s called the strategy of HBFTF — “Having Bigger Fish to Fry”. It’s not a uniquely Islamic strategy. All people and societies are aware of it and practice it whenever they feel it necessary. (That would be the one feature Muslims share with the rest of humanity; making up for their lack of other more noble human qualities — like a conscience, for example, and the Golden Rule that flows out of a conscience).

  19. Arrow says

    Mar 1, 2014 at 5:17 pm

    Countries/Regions where Islamist Violence has been reported against Non-Muslims.

    Pakistan : Asia
    Afghanistan : Asia
    Uzbekistan : Asia
    Xinjiang(PRC) :Asia
    Yunnan(PRC) : Asia
    Bangladesh: Asia
    India : Asia
    Maldives : Asia ( With no non muslims left to murder , they are killing all visible traces of pre Islamic culture – Buddhism ect)
    Malaysia : Asia
    Indonesia:Asia
    Phillipines : Asia
    Thailand : Asia
    Myanmar : Asia

    Middle East : Asia, but hardly any kaffirs left to kill ( Except Syria, Iraq and Israel)
    Egypt : Africa
    Nigeria : Africa
    Uganda : africa
    Ethiopia : Africa

    Kosovo: Europe
    Chechnya : Europe
    West Irian : Australasia

    So most violence happens in Asia due to the sheer numbers of Non-Muslims who make soft targets. And in Pakistan, Bangladesh, Kashmir, Malaysia,Indonesia – the government itself has a hand in these violent incidents , even though they publicly claim to be secular moderate states .

    • Mazo says

      Mar 1, 2014 at 5:23 pm

      I explained everything here.

      http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/02/philippines-frees-jihad-leader-to-make-peace-with-milf

      http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/02/indonesia-armed-muslim-mob-blocks-construction-of-church

      • voegelinian says

        Mar 2, 2014 at 2:52 pm

        By “explained”, Mazo means “obfuscated”.

        • Defcon 4 says

          Mar 3, 2014 at 1:20 am

          Lying and fallacies of argumentation are really the only rebuttals possible to the defenders of islam0nazism.

  20. Kepha Hor says

    Mar 1, 2014 at 5:19 pm

    @dual space:
    我希望您,您亲戚,朋友都没事了。本人住过中国大陆两年,也住台湾十年。虽然我美国同胞有很多人分不出来维吾尔语会两种民族我了解他们并不一样。拜托您原谅我的破中文。

    • BlueRaven says

      Mar 1, 2014 at 5:51 pm

      也住台湾十年 我希望您,的破中文 您亲戚,朋友都没事了。本人住过中国大陆两年,人分不出来维。虽然我美国…. 同胞吾尔语会 有很多 两种民族我了解他们并不一样。拜托我您原谅…两年大陆两。朋友.

    • Champ says

      Mar 2, 2014 at 2:08 am

      請說英語…謝謝!;-)

      • voegelinian says

        Mar 2, 2014 at 2:55 pm

        可能穆罕默德的骨頭被豬吃掉,並由此排出體外。

        • Tradewinds says

          Mar 2, 2014 at 9:47 pm

          What the heck are you doing with the Chinese characters?

  21. gfmucci says

    Mar 1, 2014 at 6:05 pm

    The biggest shame is the condescension of the media in not calling out the ideology responsible for these and 99.999% of the other attacks that are perpetrated by their feared and vaunted “religion of pieces.”

    Go, China. Do what needs to be done; what the meek and stupid US authorities won’t.

    • eib says

      Mar 1, 2014 at 6:54 pm

      +1

  22. Brian C. Hoff says

    Mar 1, 2014 at 6:27 pm

    Here is than video about muslim in Chine there are over 100 million muslim in China. Islam was allready in China before 650 A.C. when the founder of Islam sent his Uncle to the ruler of China at that time as than encoy. Here is the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcsMklF-AU0.

    • Mazo says

      Mar 1, 2014 at 6:38 pm

      I urge you not to inflame people with false statistics. Muslims in China number around over 30 million, the reason for the over 50? million count during World War 2 was because the Nationalist government of China never took a census in those regions and came up with random massive nonsense figures, even then, some reasonable people viewed the numbers with suspicion, and said there were about 10-15 million Muslims in China at that time.

      I know some of them, they never talk about religion, their beliefs or try converting people.

      I appreciate that you have not responded rashly like our fellow poster ‘moss’ who wrongly assumed ralphyboy was a Chinese.

      • Brian C. Hoff says

        Mar 2, 2014 at 6:51 am

        The number of muslim in China is greater than 120 million since 12000 are allow to goto Mecca to visit the Holy City. Islam is speading than the non-believer communist are worry about that. Than one area of western china muslim families have 8 kids, the one child per family rule wasnot carry out nationwide it seem. America have than growing muslim population that the ruleing christian elite donot like. Not all muslim dress like muslim. In WWII all restition movernment fought in different way. The French was alway accue of being weak for not shooting at very germany in occup. france. First Germany alway have at least 40 divions in french it would be suide for the french underground to shoot up very germany chech point. All member of the underground where told when traveling in public to give very germany soilder the Hilter saute, plus 50% of the french population was pro germany nazie.

        • Mazo says

          Mar 2, 2014 at 8:50 am

          Now you are outright lying.

          First of all, the current Muslim population of China is around 23 million.

          Secondly, regarding the one child policy, urban Han Chinese are allowed one child, rural Han chinese are allowed two children, urban minorities (including Muslims) are allowed two children, rural minorities are allowed four.

          There is no Muslim region of China with eight kids per family.

          Many Hui Muslims voluntarily resitrict themselves to one child only, even though they can have two.

          http://ilookchina.net/2010/11/05/exemptions-in-chinas-one-child-policy/

          http://ningxiaunveiled.wordpress.com/family-planning/

          The rate of population growth among Muslims in China is slowing, they are expected to reach just 30 million by 2030. The Muslim fertility rate is 1.7 in China, which is below replacement.

          http://www.pewforum.org/2011/01/27/future-of-the-global-muslim-population-regional-asia/#china

          Chinese Muslims also never proselytize to non-Muslims. Go to China yourself and see, if you believe your lies.

        • Mazo says

          Mar 2, 2014 at 9:12 am

          Muslims in China are not stupid, unlike you, Mr. Hoff. If there were more than 120 million Muslims in China, and they had a fertility rate of 8 children per family, the entire China would collapse within a year from overpopulation, overfarming, overuse of water and coal, and no one, of any religion would survive the disaster. Your figures are complete bogus.

          Because they are smart, many of the Hui Muslims voluntarily restrict their fertility and reduced their total fertility rate to 1.7 to avoid overpopulation, and to better raise and educate their children.

          http://ilookchina.net/2010/11/05/exemptions-in-chinas-one-child-policy/

          http://ningxiaunveiled.wordpress.com/family-planning/

          http://www.pewforum.org/2011/01/27/future-of-the-global-muslim-population-regional-asia/#china

          Having eight kids per family would be a disaster for them and they would sink into unbearable poverty be unable to educate their children. Many Muslims need to pay for each child’s religious education.

          China is not Africa, where both non-Muslims and Muslims have eight children per mother.

  23. Mr Squat says

    Mar 1, 2014 at 7:09 pm

    Glaringly obvious that this is a Al-Qaeda style attack. It is very telling that CNN has disabled comments for this story. BBC claims that “nothing is known” about the motivation behind the attack. Of course not!

    And LOL at propagandists like Mao above who claim that this is just like any other attack by lone nutcases.

  24. Wellington says

    Mar 1, 2014 at 7:17 pm

    Oh yeah, a very interesting thread. Very.

    I would only comment to the effect that wherever the particulars in this particular debate reside, meanwhile there have been over 22,000 documented Islamic terrorist attacks worldwdie just since 9/11. And then there are all those tens of thousands ATTEMPTED Islamic terroist attacks since 9/11 (that are not to be registered in the 22,000+ “successful” ones) which have been foiled by security and intelligence agencies across the world.

    But, for the record, I still remain most worried about that unholiest of unholy trinities——-Buddhist monks, Baptists and Jewish Orthodox rabbis. These are the ones above all who seek to turn civilizations upside down by way of threats, actual violence and other barbaric activities along these lines. Who could doubt this?

    Oh yeah, one more thing: Go to Hell, Mazo. Soon like.

  25. dumbledoresarmy says

    Mar 1, 2014 at 10:20 pm

    Might be interesting, re Sinkiang and the Uighur, to look up Mildred Cable’s classic “The Gobi”, oft recommended here by one Hugh Fitzgerald.

    She had looked at the history and estimated that jihads had been breaking out in the region about once every thirty years or so.

    And take a look at this thread, before swallowing any nonsense about how nice and civilised and peaceful and loyal-to-China the Hui are, in Yunnan or anywhere else:

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2008/07/the-turkistan-islamic-party-warns-china-one-more-time

    Posted therein, by one Provoslavni, who gives an impression of knowing his onions:

    Provoslavni
    July 28, 2008 at 1:44 am
    As soon as the news of the bombings was reported, I posted some links and history about Chinese Muslim terrorists.

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/021955.php#comments

    They are not just ethnic Turkestanis, called Uyghurs, but also the Hui who are ethnic Chinese Muslims. In both Yunnan (home of the Hui) and Xinjiang (home of the Uyghurs) the Chinese government has a policy of neutralizing Muslim influence by swamping these areas with non-Muslim Han Chinese.

    The Muslims of both areas have been a problem for China going back to the Q’ing Dynasty.

    ** First there was the 1856 Islamic Panthay Rebellion which destroyed most of the Buddhist sites in the area.**

    “Then, between 1858 and 1868 the Muslim rebel leader Du Wenxiu, declared himself to be the Sultan of Dali, an ancient kingdom in Yunnan.
    “**He also occupied Kunming [nota bene – KUNMING! – dda] and slaughtered the remaining Lamas and monks as well as much of the ethnic Han Chinese population.** {my emphasis – dda}.”

    My own guess is that this particular Jihad in SW China in the mid 19th century was suppressed with extreme prejudice, and that the Hui have been lying low, licking their wounds and biding their time, under the equivalent of a succession of tactical hudnas, ever since.

    In my opinion – and I offer this as free advice to any Chinese non-Muslim personage, even government spooks, who may be lurking behind the bushes and reading this over my shoulder – the Hui are *more* dangerous than the Uighur, because of having a presence all over China, and precisely because they *appear* to be nicer and quieter and more assimilated. They are *still* Muslims. They have not renounced mohammed. Individually, or in groups, or as a gestalt, there is always the potential for them to Go Jihad. Do they go on Hajj? do they read the Koran? If they do, they’re still uploading the Programming.

    The Hui vs Uighur thing- oh, look at the nice Hui! they’re so different from the scary Uighurs! – looks to me very like the classic goodcop/ badcop Slow Jihad/ Fast Jihad game that the mohammedan mob plays to perfection: distract / frighten the kuffar with the *obviously* dangerous cannon fodder who do the raiding, whilst others, disclaiming all connection, smile and smile and smile and make nice and infiltrate everywhere…and sharpen the knife quietly at night, when no-one’s looking, and nurse their Quranically-prescribed Hatred for the Infidel, within their hearts.

    One should bear in mind the words of one Hamza Yusuf, convert to Islam: ” It is necessary sometimes to live like a sheep, in order that later one may live as a lion”.

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2004/11/hamza-yousef-jihad-is-actually-considered-a-rahma-mercy-in-islam.html

    “…Elaborating his point, Shaikh Hamza Yousuf said, “There are times when you have to live like a sheep in order to live in the future like a lion.”

    • Mazo says

      Mar 1, 2014 at 11:07 pm

      Your a complete troll and a fool.

      Yunnan is neither the home of Hui nor Han. Get your facts right before blindly copying and pasting trash from other posters. The native inhabitants are a myriad of ethnic minorities like the Bai, Dai, Lahu, Naxi, and dozens of others, the reason for the large Hui prescence there is when many Muslims under Sayyid Ajall Shams ud-Din Umar moved there during the Yuan dynasty.

      More Han people moved in because of overcrowding in other provinces, not because of government policy.

      During the Qing period, the reason for the Panthay Rebellion is because of disputes between Hui miners in Yunnan and newly moved in Han miners from other provinces, more of an inter-provincial dispute, as would happen when a large amount of Scottish protestants moved to Northern Ireland had had clashes with the local Catholics.

      Du Wenxiu, the leader of the Panthay Rebels, was the son of a Han who converted to Islam and he did not preach any holy war against non-Muslims, but instead he preached Han and Hui unity to drive out the Manchu Qing from China. Du Wenxiu included both Han and other non-Muslim minorities like Bai, Hani, Shan and Kachin (Khakhyen or Jingpo) in his army.

      The rebellion had nothing to do with religion He wrote entire screeds against the Manchu Qing and working with Han. “ 安漢反清 、連回、漢為一體、豎立義旗、驅逐韃虜、恢復中華、剪除貪污、出民水火

      Finally, the reason the Panthay Revolt was put down, was because the Qing received help from powerful Muslim loyalists. The Muslim loyalist General Ma Rulong helped defeat and massacred all of the rebels, consequently, after the war, Ma Rulong became the most powerful Qing General in Yunnan.

      There goes your claim about “licking their wounds” when one of them served as the most powerful army officers after the war and was fully trusted by the Qing.

      Many Muslims served in the Qing army. There was Zuo Baogui, martyred in 1894 while fighting the Japanese, Ma Fulu and many of his relatives serving as army officers, martyred in 1900 fighting against the Eight Nation Alliance (America, Britain, Russia, Japan, France, Austria, Italy, and Germany), and countless others, and Ma Fulu’s son Ma Hongbin, who fought the Japanese in World War 2.

      Muslims remained an important demographic in Yunnan to this day, many of them served in the armed forces of the Republic of China and helped supplied Chinese Nationalist soldiers stuck in Burma and Thailand after the Chinese Civil War ended. Some of them were then airlifted to Taiwan.

      Ans as for Mildred and Cable, she is either mistaken or talking not about Xinjiang but Gansu, where various Sufi sects would have a go at attacking each other during the Dungan revolts. Hui Muslim loyalists helped the Qing crush these revolts, first in the 1780s, then in the 1870s, then in the 1890s.

      When Mildred herself walked through northwest China, the region was dominated by Hui warlords aligned with the Republic of China and who fought against Japan in World War 2.

      It is rather insidious of you to try to even think about instilling poisonous sentiments among us when you don’t know about the history of the region.

      • voegelinian says

        Mar 2, 2014 at 3:06 pm

        Mazo either cleverly, or obtusely (those are the only two options, choose the latter if feeling generous ) retorts to dumbledoresarmy’s posting (in which she is pasting in someone else’s report):

        Yunnan is neither the home of Hui nor Han…. The native inhabitants are a myriad of ethnic minorities like…

        Notice the sleight-of-hand there, almost immediately: He is confusing “the home of” with “inhabitant”. I.e., there can be a region that is “the (significant) home of” People X, while at the same time Peoples W, Y and Z also happen to number as inhabitants therein.

        It’s either sleight-of-hand Mazo is trying to practice (some SE Asian shell-game) in the service of some sly sabotage, or his brain is that muddled and his heart leads him, out of confusion, constantly to try to undermine the Counter-Jihad. Either way, he’s not one of us; he is the enemy of the Counter-Jihad in the “battle space of the war of ideas” (as Frank Gaffney has so aptly termed it).

  26. dumbledoresarmy says

    Mar 1, 2014 at 10:36 pm

    A couple more items of interest.

    http://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_display.cfm/blog_id/26674
    Wednesday, 24 March 2010

    Historical Jihad Interlude: Dungan Revolt in China

    A bit more. I don’t necessarily trust all the details, but anyone who’s gotten to know the usual Mohammedan modus operandi from areas where the history is better known, will find much in the broad outline that is eerily familiar.

    http://www.ibiblio.org/chinesehistory/contents/03pol/c03s12.html

    (Reference to Muslim uprisings of various kinds that have occurred within the past 200 years or so, in China. Note, incidentally, in a couple of the cases there summarised, the blind folly of infidel states such as Russia, siding with Muslims in the hope of using them as a weapon…very stupid, this always backfires; infidel states should never ally with Muslims, whether externally or – as one sees in some of these bits of Chinese history – internally. Because the Muslims always have their own agenda going on at the same time…and are past masters at “split-the-camp”, at picking off infidel entities one by one).

    And then there’s this potted history of Islam in China.

    http://www.chinatraveldesigner.com/travel-guide/culture/chinese-religions/chinese-islam.htm

    It’s written from what appears to be a quite strongly Islamophile perspective, but if one has read Sam Solomon’s “The Mosque and Its Role in Society”, and his other book, “Al Hijra – The Islamic Doctrine of Immigration” one will be able to read between the lines. Just take a look at this bit:
    “…Muslims went to China to trade, virtually dominated the import and export industry by the time of the Song Dynasty, while the office of Director General of Shipping was consistently held by a Muslim.

    “Larger immigration began when hundreds of thousands of Muslims were relocated to help to administer China during the Yuan Dynasty..”.

    Baaaad move, on the part of the Chinese infidels way back when. Very very stupid. Just like the British importation of hordes of Pakistani Muslims, not so very long ago…

    The article finishes with *this*, which ought to be enough to set the hairs rising on the back of anyone’s neck:

    “…In 2006 a record number of Chinese traveled to Mecca for the hajj, up 40 percent from the previous year.”

    When they go on Hajj they’re going in person to Islam Central.

    • Mazo says

      Mar 1, 2014 at 11:14 pm

      Yet again, dumbledoresarmy fails to mention that every single Dungan revolt in China was crushed with the help of Hui Muslim loyalists.

      Hui loyalists helped the Qing crush the Jahriyya revolts in the 1780s. Again in the Dungan Revolt from the 1860s-1870s, entire Hui sects and their leaders helped the Qing crush the revolt, like Ma Zhanao and Ma Qianling, again in the 1895 Dungan Revolt, Hui loyalists were the most brutal soldiers in dispatching Hui rebels, and loyalist Hui Generals beheaded rebel prisoners by the thousands. Hui loyalists, like Hua Decai and Cui Wei, helped the Qing General Zuo Zongtang reconquer Kashgar from Uzbek-Tajik warlord Yaqub Beg.

      Hui have also fought for China against the Japanese in 1895, against the Eight Nation Alliance in 1900 in the Boxer Rebellion, and against the Japanese in World War 2. The martyrs are countless, I can name a few of them like Zuo Baogui and Ma Fulu, but there are many more.

      • voegelinian says

        Mar 2, 2014 at 3:18 pm

        So what; Muslims often fight against other Muslims. That’s part of the disease of Islam that is endangering our lives. That doesn’t make either side on our side.

        Thousands of Muslims from the Maghreb helped the Allies fight against the German Nazi invasion of Italy — but those thousands of Muslims proceeded to rape, pillage, plunder and otherwise terrorize the Italian men, women and children they were tasked to be saving (with obviously insufficient oversight)!

        Further Reading:

        Think globally, pillage locally

        http://hesperado.blogspot.com/2011/10/think-globally-pillage-locally.html

        • Defcon 4 says

          Mar 3, 2014 at 1:26 am

          Yet another example of islam0nazi atrocities successfully covered up, this time on the part of islam0nazi mercenaries working for the allies.

    • voegelinian says

      Mar 2, 2014 at 3:12 pm

      ” infidel states should never ally with Muslims, whether externally or – as one sees in some of these bits of Chinese history – internally. ”

      There is one context of conditions where making alliances with Muslims can be in our interest in terms of a Realislamik — namely, when:

      1) our geopolitics has woken up to a clear-eyed appraisal of the pan-Islamic global jihad against us (or we are on our way to waking up and are actively deconstructing the monstrously silly paradigm of PC MC that has been elaborately and inanely constructed over the past half century or so);

      2) the Dar-al-Islam continues to be wracked by internecine tensions and conflicts

      — such that we can exploit #1 in the interest of forging a global policy, flowing out of the restored rationality of #1, to manage the perennial Problem of Islam.

      Further Reading:

      Realislamik

      http://hesperado.blogspot.com/2011/05/realislamik.html

      • voegelinian says

        Mar 2, 2014 at 6:01 pm

        slight correction:

        ”

        “…– such that we can exploit #1…”

        should be:

        “…– such that we can exploit #2…”

  27. Kepha says

    Mar 1, 2014 at 11:16 pm

    @mazo and dual space:

    No, I am not going to applaud a killing of civilians peacefully going about their business. It’s something I hate about both Islam and Communism.

    But, I note that the Chinese Communists are still very good at calling everyone who notes their failures and crimes “Han Jian–汉奸” or Chinese traitors. Further, there are even some of them who blame the Jewish “foreign friends” for introducing a fanatical element into “humane” Chinese Communism, as if the founder of the Party and sponsor of the Cultural Revolution were named Murmeltier rather than Mao, and a Galitzianer rather than a Hunan Ren. So if you are dismayed about Americans with Chinese connections, please note that in World War II, your 斯大林伯伯 (’50’s slogan they taught to children: Elder Uncle Stalin) both expelled the ethnic Chinese from the Russian Far East and shipped his ethnic Germans to Siberia and Khazakstan. At the same time, one-third of the American soldiers who chased Hitler out of North Africa and Western Europe were of German descent, including their commander Eisenhower (“Iron-cutter” in German). So, perhaps, if people greatly blessed by the People’s Liberation Army settling its less reliable veterans and Nationalist POW’s over their land, liberation from feudal superstition, and introduction to the wonderful scientific age of the 20th century want out from Chinese Communist rule, how can you blame the Taiwanese for being wary of “reunification” (at threat of nuclear attack, BTW), or for many Han people who have moved to foreign countries. I suspect that a lot of what you call “white imperialism” is actually a real American willingness to respect a decent immigrant and absorb such people into their country, and to govern themselves by consensus, consent, and compromise (and knows how to win loyalty) rather than submitting to the lord of ten thousand brawls.

    While we’re at it, dear anti-imperialists, 老马科斯与斯大林伯伯是哪一省哪一县的人呢? 清朝之中国可能是半个殖民地;中共把它成为死掉德国人的精神全分殖民地.

    子曰.苛政蒙于虎也–或者苛政蒙于种类主义之白种人也 (Translation; from Book of Rites: Confucius said that a harsh government is more fierce than a Tiger–or a harsh government is more fierce than “racist” white people.)

    • Mazo says

      Mar 1, 2014 at 11:22 pm

      Who said I’m a supporter of the Communist party of any country?

      I’m afraid you don’t understand where my sentiment is coming from. Look at some of the posts your fellow JWatchers make about non-western countries.

      I had people on the Indonesia thread, being apologists for the Dutch colonial regime which massacred and oppressed non-Muslim Chinese and Banda islanders in Indonesia, and apologists for the Spanish colonialists in the Philippines who also massacred and oppresed Chinese, animists Igorot, and Moro. They are apologists for those regimes because they colonized Muslims.

      http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/02/philippines-frees-jihad-leader-to-make-peace-with-milf

      http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/02/indonesia-armed-muslim-mob-blocks-construction-of-church

      This has nothing to do with China.

      • Jay Boo says

        Mar 1, 2014 at 11:35 pm

        Muhammad is a satanic verse murdering liar.
        The foundation Islamic ideology is based on killing non-Muslims.
        Muslims shamelessly wash their bloody hands before they pray.

      • kevin says

        Mar 2, 2014 at 2:59 am

        where are you now, you depraved and sickening individual, the muslims have admitted that they done the attack, because muslims like to boast about their craven deeds, you as a muslim share in their relish, i hope you too get whats coming to you in the near future

    • Mazo says

      Mar 1, 2014 at 11:54 pm

      @kepha

      If you believe that Han are being settled on Uyghur land, be honest with yourself and look up the history of Xinjiang and where those Han settled.

      Northern Xinjiang is Dzungaria. Its called Dzungaria, after the Buddhist Dzungar Mongols. It is steppe land where nomadic Mongols herded their animals.

      Southern Xinjiang is the Tarim basin, a land of oasis and sedentary farners, this is where Uyghurs come from.

      The Dzungars conquered the Uyghurs in the Tarim, and then the Uyghurs called for help. The Qing and the Uyghurs then allied in 1759 to annihilate the Buddhist Dzungars in a war of extermination, today only around 10,000 of them are still alive. That is why Zunghar Khanate no longer exists.

      Then Uyghurs, Han, Hui, and Xibe started moving into northern Xinjiang. They are all immigrants there.

      The Qing, the Kuomintang, and the Communists, no matter which regime, almost all exclusively sent Han and Hui migrants to Dzungaria. Its not Uyghur land, its Dzungar land. The Kuomintang sponsered Han settlement in Dzungaria, was used by the Soviet Union to start the Ili rebellion and support Uyghur Communist rebels, who slaughtered Han civilians.

      The Tarim Basin today is still majority Uyghur. Its Dzungaria where over 10 million Han (and Uyghur migrants) live. Today, Uyghur migrants from Tarim Basin are still moving to Dzungaria.

      If anything, its Dzungars and not Uyghurs who should be complaining about their land being flooded with both Han and Uyghurs.

      I don’t support Communist party, and I don’t support Uyghur nationalist lies either about them owning the entire Xinjiang including Dzungaria since 5,000 BC. Many of them have the false belief that Dzungaria is their native land, because the entire Xinjiang is named “Uyghur autonomous region”.

      In the Tarim Basin, many Uyghurs suffer from poverty, neglect, and drug abuse, that is where the tension is getting high. Admittedly, it is because the Communists have almost solely focusing on developing Dzungaria and ignoring the Tarim. Not because of Han “settlers” on Uyghur land.

      The only real places where Han have settled largely is in northeast, Inner Mongolia, and Dzungaria. The first two places were largely settled during Qing times.

      Just because the Communist party behaves like a mafia, does not give Uyghur nationalists carte Blanche to spill out blatant lies.

      And add to that the many people spilling out lies about Muslims here. Like the lies being told about Muslims in the Philippnes and Indonesia.

      Finally Kepha, the Philippine government is doing that exact thing you accuse Communists of doing. The American colonials and then the Philippines settled millions of ethnic Luzonian and Visayan Christians, on Moro land in Mindanao, thats why the Moro Muslims rebelled against Philippines rule.

      http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/02/philippines-frees-jihad-leader-to-make-peace-with-milf

      http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/02/indonesia-armed-muslim-mob-blocks-construction-of-church

    • Mazo says

      Mar 2, 2014 at 12:09 am

      The living conditions in Muslim areas of Mindanao is also horrible and way worse than the Tarim Basin, because the Philippines government steals tons of money via pork barrel. Moros are also viewed with disdain, distrust, and racism by Filipinos, in addition to the millions of Filipino settlers now outnumbering them on their own land, thanks to American commonwealth and now Philippine rule. America abetted this.

  28. jeffpresidentlo says

    Mar 2, 2014 at 12:29 am

    This is news from a major news outlet in China distributing reports from local authorities and national agencies:

    29 people are confirmed dead and more than 130 injured.
    Police shot dead 4 perps and arrested one. The 5 perps include 3 men and 2 women. Weapons had been recovered from the scene.
    Attack blamed at Xinjiang separatists.
    Condolences to the families of victims and wish full recovery to those injured.

    I’ll keep you folks updated here at JW.

  29. Alfred Ineichen says

    Mar 2, 2014 at 12:32 am

    Fuck the Muslims in China. Fuck the muslim-friendly EU in the Ukraine. I wish force to China and Russia to defeat this scum.

  30. dumbledoresarmy says

    Mar 2, 2014 at 2:21 am

    I observe vast clouds of smoke blown out by a Defender-of-Islam in this thread, who is trying at all costs to pretend that Islam – the ideology of Islam, the attitudes and practices that it instils in its adherents – is not nor ever has been a factor worth considering, in any conflict anywhere in East or Southeast Asia in which Muslims are or have been involved.

    I think I’ll do what I always do when there is a sudden massive flurry of Mohammedan boggart and dementor activity in a thread: go right back up to the top and reread the posted story.

    On the assumption that if Defenders of Islam – which Mazo manifestly *is*, given the amount of energy he is expending in the Cause – want us *not* to think that this mass-murder in China has *anything* to do with Islam, then, well, it probably *does*.

  31. ecosse1314 says

    Mar 2, 2014 at 6:53 am

    Do the Chinese based muslims read a different Koran from the rest of the world. Were not the greatest medieval colonialists the ottoman empire. So what exactly is this Mazos point? He is coming across as being highly racist.

    • dumbledoresarmy says

      Mar 2, 2014 at 8:11 pm

      You observed – “Do the Chinese based muslims read a different Koran from the rest of the world.?”

      Exactly.

      Same Koran, same Hadith and Sira glorifying a mass-murderous treaty-breaking child-raping slave-taking caravan-robbing psychopathic and uttelry amoral Arab warlord and sand pirate and holding him up as *the* canon of conduct for all time.

      *And* in the past ten years or so a whole lot more Chinese Muslims than for quite a long time previous have been going on hajj, all the way to Islam Central, the focus and operations-room of this Total World Domination cult of murder and lies, and hanging round with lots of *other* Murder Cult members, and then…coming back home with their cult programming all freshened up.

      Garbage in, garbage out. Chinese Muslims upload the same deadly mind-program as all the other cult members, the world over; and I don’t expect the results to be that much different, eventually, from anywhere else in the world.

      • Mazo says

        Mar 2, 2014 at 10:02 pm

        For those of you trying to link Hui Muslims to this attack, it was a Hui born in Yunnan, Ma Shaowu, who fought Uyghur separatists in Kashgar from 1933-1934. Stop the obfustication crap.

        • Defcon 4 says

          Mar 3, 2014 at 1:34 am

          Your attempts to make the attack at Kunming railroad station into anything but what it is (islam0nazi jihad) have failed musl0nazi. Nice try though. I particularly admire your implementation of the if-you -can’t-dazzle-them-with-data-baffle-them-with-bullshit tactic.

        • Mazo says

          Mar 3, 2014 at 9:23 am

          @Defcon 4

          Your buddies here constantly pretend they are experts on asian history and we the first to mention the local Muslims in Yunnan (who have nothing to do with Uyghurs), and try to falsely link themto the attack. What does Panthay rebellion have to do with Uyghurs?

    • pineapple says

      Mar 26, 2014 at 9:21 am

      Devoted Muslims put the blame of all Muslim violence and misfortune on everything else but the Koran.

      I see the interaction of Arabic mentality and Muslim religion going both ways:
      First, the primitive Arab mentality naturally resulted in a primitive and violent Muslim religion (much of which plagiarized the worst from older religions and showed little imagination).

      Next, their religion, being that primitive, thrived in the Arab minds and re-asserted the primitivism of the Arab population – as customs and practices and a way of life. Next came the invasion to foreign land by slaughter.

      Apart from divinely sanctioned brutal violence that is of amazing scale when compared to other religions, Islam is the only religion I know of that demands lying from its devotees. I am sorry, but I cannot have any sympathy for liars and butchers. That is not islamophobia. It is called morality.

      If Muslims want to win my respect, they should be out in all media, and PASSIONATELY condemn and ostracize the butchers, which they never do.

      For starters, Muslims should admit their religion requires the slaughter and submission of infidels. The step to follow is what Christians did – tacitly ignore and not practice the violent verses in the Bible.

  32. Angemon says

    Mar 2, 2014 at 3:39 pm

    Nothing worth seeing here folks. Just semeru complaining that all JW readers are western imperialist racist bigots who have a grudge against muslims. Of course, since that’s not true, he needs to create a sockpuppet account to say something incredibly racist and stupid so he can use his other sockpuppet accounts to pat each other on the back and say “look at that guy, that’s how all JW readers are”.

  33. gravenimage says

    Mar 2, 2014 at 4:19 pm

    test

  34. southeuropean says

    Mar 2, 2014 at 6:03 pm

    Communism eventually fails by itself cause it’s a utopia. China would be even greater empire without communism and these world is big enough to hold severel empires. But one thing is for sure. ISLAM IS FASCISM and there is none better remedy for nazzism and fascism than the fury of the reds. Now China will make it’s move. Go China.

    • George says

      Mar 15, 2014 at 10:25 am

      Christians killed much more than muslims.

      • pineapple says

        Mar 26, 2014 at 9:35 am

        Shame on you! All Islamists rant that line. If you refer to the Chrusades, let me remind you we live in the 21st century. Shame on you for comparing the animals, who mutilated Lee Rigby’s face and body with a cleaver, to any Christian extremist.

        I am an atheist and I detest any religious extremism, but I have never seen anything as barbaric committed in the name of Christ reported in the media in the 21 century.

        Let me remind you, the two Michael animals were PROUD of what they did. Islam apparenly manages to effectively whipe out any trace of humanity from human beings.

  35. awake says

    Mar 3, 2014 at 10:05 am

    There’s a lot of unwarranted indignation from Mazo in this thread. Spencer did not jump the gun in reporting that these savages were in deed Muslims….AS USUAL.

    That is and should be the default position whenever senseless savage murder incidents occur. Always think Muslims first and then wait for evidence proving otherwise.

    Also, Mazo has made a massively incorrect assumption that this site is a supporter of western imperialism. It’s the opposite in fact, and Mazo would know that if he were truthful.

  36. Semeru says

    Mar 8, 2014 at 5:20 am

    Ok Dick head (Jihadski), this is my first comment on this thread, normally I do not reply to you because you are not worth the effort

    Now prove that I have been using Maso as a sock puppet

    And the best way to do that is to get Mr Spencer to confirm that i used multiple log ins on this or any other thread

    So Jihadski if you are so damned clever, prove I have been writing as Maso

    By the way, do you think you a bit over the hill to challange people to boxing,

  37. peter says

    Mar 8, 2014 at 7:35 am

    im sick with extreme muslim.since their terror attack are random without consider uninnocence victim that truly unrelated with their vengeance/mission.I think what the world should do is bombardier all the extreme moslem in the world everytime they attack any innocent victim in any country in the world.the world couldnt be lose in fighting crazy jihad.

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