“Of course, Israel cannot be expected to negotiate with anyone who is dedicated to its destruction. But while I know you have had differences with the Palestinian Authority, I believe that you do have a true partner in President Abbas…” — Barack Obama, March 21, 2013
Fatah is the PLO’s military wing. Abbas is the head of the PLO.
“Fatah Central Committee Member Abbas Zaki: We Have Not Ruled Out the Military Options,” from MEMRI, February 26:
In a February 26, 2014 interview with Hizbullah’s Al-Manar TV channel, Fatah Central Committee member Abbas Zaki said: “None of us, especially in Fatah, has ruled out the military options.”
Following are excerpts:
Interviewer: Some Palestinians say that the days of intifadas are gone, never to return, and that there is no alternative to the negotiations.
Abbas Zaki: There is a big difference between addressing the consciences of the enemies, so that they will listen to you and so that you can denounce your rival, and between being unable to restrain the masses, when sacrifices are warranted, and there is hope [for gains] through resistance and confrontation.
None of us, especially in Fatah, has ruled out the military options. We have not forgotten our principles or our goals – not even at our sixth congress, which was held in Bethlehem [in August 2009], where we adhered to our entire legacy of struggle, so that it can be resorted to at the right time.
mariam rove says
so they are going to challenge the IDF with their camel mounted missiles? Don’t think so. M
veggiedog says
They have challenged the IDF many times, they are very courageous, they throw bombs from a distance, they send in your children with bombs, they cover their faces… Now that is a brave bunch of souls and they challenge the IDF that they can never win against. It will come to be that the entire ME will be no more, but the problem is that Islamists are now everywhere, just ask Dawggie.
Emil says
Islam = Hypocracy.
You can never trust them. When they say Fatah is a secular group, I’m not sure what do they mean, ’cause as it seems to me they are way more fanatic than a Catholic Christian or an Ultra-Orthodox Jews.
And this thing is said by the Psychopath called Anjem [the alcoholic pig] Choudary, in 1 of his debates with Robert Spencer.
revg says
“Of course, Israel cannot be expected to negotiate with anyone who is dedicated to its destruction. But while I know you have had differences with the Palestinian Authority, I believe that you do have a true partner in President Abbas…” — Barack Obama, March 21, 2013
And…..If you like your health care, you can keep it, period.
bikeboy says
If the lips are moving, well you know the rest.
mortimer says
Some friends! He speaks of repressing the Pallies so they tow the line and violence against Israel. Is there a change? Or same old?
Islam shows its true colors: temporary truces, treaty breaches, oppression, savage treatment of foes. Barbarians in suits.
Charli Main says
Yes, Mortimer—Islam´s true colours. The Muslims will never give up their attacks on Israel or the rest of the World for that matter, as long as there are Muslims.
I don´t remember who said it, but it was along the lines——
The Arabs can lose as many times as they like but we can only lose once.
bikeboy says
How do you stop a people that breed like cockroaches and have no value for this life because they believe the glory is in dying. We on the other hand believe that this life is worth living. Let all Muslim Islamists just go to meet their maker, it would be so much easier for all of us.
Defcon 4 says
@bikeboy
What is the difference between a muslim and a muslim “islamist” again? Is it kinda like the difference between a nazi and a moderate nazi?
bikeboy says
What about Christian Muslims? I do believe there is a difference and not all Muslims are Islamists.
gravenimage says
bikeboy wrote:
What about Christian Muslims? I do believe there is a difference and not all Muslims are Islamists.
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bikeboy, there is no such thing as a “Christian Muslim”.
Islam and Christianity are *completely* different in their values and beliefs.
Ot are you instead referring to Arab Christians, or to Muslim apostates who have converted to Christianity, or to something else entirely?
bikeboy says
Yes
Diane Harvey says
I remember hearing some wisdom from a camp survivor.
“When someone tells you they want to kill you, believe them.”
revg says
And even the most “moderate” muslim is capable of becoming devout.
bikeboy says
Not just capable but more like “likely”
Champ says
“Of course, Israel cannot be expected to negotiate with anyone who is dedicated to its destruction. But while I know you have had differences with the Palestinian Authority, I believe that you do have a true partner in President Abbas…” — Barack Obama, March 21, 2013
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Is obama a comedian? …or something more sinister? Methinks the latter!
Hey I’ve never read (or heard) anything from Abbas that would lead me to believe that Abbas is “a true partner” to Israel, have you? Help me, what am I missing? I mean where does obama come UP with this nonsense? …wow his lies are maddening!
duh_swami says
Resistance and confrontation…That’s what they have been doing for over 60 years. Rockets away my boy, rockets away…Here’s how it works…One state, two states, ten states, the jihad against Israel will continue. Islam will not tolerate on a permanent basis any non Islamic (kuffar) state right in the middle of them, no matter who it is…That this particular piece of land is Israel, home of the hated Jew, Is just icing on Allah’s cake and some extra fuel for jihad fires. Allah gave ALL the land to Mahoundians, and they want it back, all of it.
Henry says
How lucky the Palestinians are that they face a moral and principled enemy like the Israelis instead of one like themselves, in which case this conflict would have been settled and over a long time ago.
Wellington says
The Christian world welcomes a Jewish state. The Islamic world wants the Jewish state destroyed. You make the call which is the nobler and more enlightened of these two worlds.
veggiedog says
No call to make here. You know, and i hope nobody will take offense, why is it a Christian World? Why not a noble world. Jews, Pagans, Christians, whatever order. Jews were here and Jesus died a Jew. Christianity was a creation of his followers. I know, it is about numbers, let’s think about that.
Wellington says
Who said it was a Christian world? I didn’t. Your turn.
Wellington says
To clarify, veggiegdog, I did not mean that the only world that matters is the Chrisitan world but only that those who are Chrisitan (I am not) are understandable supporters of Israel. (And so am I.)
veggiedog says
I see what you were doing now, my sensitivities were disproportionate.
veggiedog says
My interpretation, if wrong please accept my apology.
You wrote “The Christian world welcomes a Jewish state. The Islamic world wants the Jewish state destroyed. You make the call which is the nobler and more enlightened of these two worlds.”
I interpreted as your words. I see now your division to make your point, a Jewish world could also be part of this narrative
Jax Tolmen says
Long time reader, first time commenter. Can I just suggest that the conveyors of threats against ‘WatchDawg’ cease their personal attacks and stop to think about the greater good for a moment.
You are stooping to his level and giving him ammo to discredit our cause, even threats conveyed in jest are still threats.
Does the anti Jihad movement really need more things for Taqiyya artists to latch onto to misdirect and draw attention away from the message of Robert Spencer and by association his supporters.
If we are to fight the enemy and maintain our cultural superiority, it is paramount that we fight them with rhetoric and intellectual arguments – not idle threats toward another commenter on this site.
He is merely expressing his right to free speech, a right we all so passionately fight for. No matter how misguided and preposterous his words may be, attacking him personally serves no purpose other than give the hoards of critics ammo to slander us as fascists and racists.
On a personal note, Robert Spencer is a hero and one of the greatest champions for Western Civilisation in this hopelessly ignorant world.
veggiedog says
Agreed
veggiedog says
It is too easy to get hooked, best to walk away.
Jax Tolmen says
Thank you – it occurred to me that the media and the enemy watch this comment section and would seize on any opportunity to depict us as bigots, and demonise the whole cause on the immaturity of the few among us who can’t control themselves.
marclouis says
I think you’ll find, WatchDawg has multiple accounts and makes those threats against himself, i’m just in the process of deleting all his drivel.
Champ says
Thank you, MarcLouis!
Jax Tolmen says
That’s unfortunate, it would be nice to have some Muslims haunting the comment section who we could have reasonable, civilised debates with. It’s saddening that these things happen, but thank you for your work.
mortimer says
There is no debating Islamic terrorism, savage cruelty or misogyny. They will not respond to that. They have no arguments. They are always defeated in debates. The facts are on the side of counterjihad. The facts come from the primary source texts. Muslims are speechless when up against Spencer and a number who of other debaters who know these texts. They only defend Islam with scurrilous ad hominems. That is the only defense they have left. Islam is finished for that reason. It collapses under intellectual inquiry.
Mirren10 says
Welcome, Mr Jax Tolman !
”That’s unfortunate, it would be nice to have some Muslims haunting the comment section who we could have reasonable, civilised debates with. ”
Well, I’ve been reading and commenting here for four years now, (old JW’rs will know me as Jan) and I’ve yet to see a mohammedan who was able to have a reasonable, civilised debate with anyone.
Some of them try to start out giving the appearance of reason, but as soon as their koran and repulsive ‘ prophet’ are shown up for the evil claptrap, and evil person, they are, respectively, quoting from koran, hadith, and sira, and the vicious, violent behaviour of many mohammedans worldwide is pointed out, the mask very rapidly slips, and we’re treated to the usual mohammedan ‘debate’ techniques; rage, insults, threats, vituperative spite, tu quoque and lies.
Have you , as dumbledoresarmy puts it, ”taken a stroll” through the archives yet ? There have been many mohammedans, apologists, and useful idiot leftards who have commented here, who exemplify the behaviour and attitudes I’ve described above.
And they all, without exception, have failed. Some of it is quite entertaining.
You could have a go at civilised and reasonable discourse with old rezali mehil, who pretends to be a female mohammedan, but I personally think is a mohammedan male. The concept of civilised, and reasonable, is entirely alien to this one.
He’s dropped in to spew some of his pernicious rubbish on the thread about the five films given the thumbs down by his co-religionists. He’s in full spate, burbling about ‘prophets’, and beards, and how paedophile mohammed never tried to make money, or profit. Well, actually, I suppose that does have a grain of truth, in that paedophile mo much preferred to steal and murder for gain, rather than actually working at anything.
gravenimage says
Jax Tolmen wrote:
That’s unfortunate, it would be nice to have some Muslims haunting the comment section who we could have reasonable, civilised debates with.
………………………….
There’s a reason you won’t find that, Jax, and it lies in the texts and tenets of Islam itself.
You’ll find plenty of whitewashing, and obfuscation, and Taqiyya—and, of course, violence and threats of violence, but little in the way of reason.
As Robert Spencer has noted many time, Muslims can’t debate.
“Why can’t Muslims debate?”
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2007/12/why-cant-muslims-debate
“Why can’t Muslims debate? (Again)”
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/01/why-cant-muslims-debate-again
voegelinian says
Thanks. Perhaps you could take a look at “Mr. Dude” as well. I don’t advocate deleting Mr. Dude’s posts, since the few Jihad Watch readers who valiantly spent their time and energy to refute his mountains of specious excrement with detailed and sound thrashings are very useful. It would be nice if all that material — Mr. Dude’s mountains of steaming crap and the fine refutations of it — could be relocated in some other place on Jihad Watch for the general pedagogy of readers. But I realize that’s asking too much.
gravenimage says
marclouis wrote:
I think you’ll find, WatchDawg has multiple accounts and makes those threats against himself…
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This does not surprise me, marclouis. Pious Muslims are so eager to play the victim that they will manufacture false threats to gin up indignation against “Islamophobes”.
Meanwhile, Islam is the most violent, bloody creed imaginable.
mortimer says
He is clearly an immature person and not acquainted with the source texts of Islam. He does not understand civilized discourse and sees it as weakness. The Muslim mind is not ‘civilized’. They see belligerence as ‘winning’. They see rationality and good manners as ‘losing’. The Islamic mind has much in common with Borderline Personality Disorder alternating between violent arrogance and melodramatic self-pity. Toxic personality disorder is based on a deep feeling of disguised worthlessness. That is because all Muslims are merely slaves. They take out their rage at this powerlessness by victimizing others and women.
veggiedog says
Sounds bipolar or close. My diagnostic skills are rusty. I think your analysis is spot on.
Transmaster says
Mortimer I have always looked for you postings here. Your statements match what a person I knew who grew up the son of missionaries in Syria, who became a Minister himself and was a Chaplain in the European Theater in WWII. This man of God told be he learned growing up in Syria the Islamic people he knew where despicable. Lying, cheating, stealing, killing and that they could always come up with some Islamic writing to justify anything they did, and if they couldn’t find something they would bribe a local Imam so issue a fatwa to cover it. This wasn’t just against infidels but against each other. I knew Chaplain Jim before the Internet and he was the one who told me about honor killing, I could hardly believe it at the time father, uncles, brothers, even mothers killing their own daughters because the, so called, honor of the family transcended the life of their own children. It is thanks to people like you and Robert Spencer et al that my education has continued.
voegelinian says
mortimer has provided many useful postings — except during those times when he is afflicted by the curious asymptotic spasm of asserting that many millions of harmless and hopeful Muslims exist.
Salah says
You’re absolutely right, Jax. I suggest we simply neglect him no matter how his provocations disturb us.
All we need to do is copy/paste a few verses of the Qur’an or the hadith, without any comment.
Some ugly Quranic verses:
http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2012/10/infidel.html
Carolyne says
But it’s such fun to argue with the “Dawg.”
veggiedog says
Thank you, this is no surprise. Your actions are appreciated.
Transmaster says
You can clearly see the disunity in the Islamic world. All of the Islamic schools and branches hate each other to varying degrees. The whole mind set is so tribal, run by tribal war chiefs and holy men. You have sort of my fatwa will out do your fatwa, and incidentally your father eats with his left hand.thing going We can thank God that the Islamic world is at each other throats as much as they are against anything they call an infidel, and a Jew.
duh_swami says
I see all the resident pests posts are gone. Every now and then JW experiences a surge in trolls, both Islamic and otherwise. Lately such a surge has been in effect. It’s best for the unprepared to not interact with a troll. Just ignore them. However, it’s also not a good idea to let a troll run wild on a thread, or other posters. Because of intense training in trollology, under chaotic conditions, I am qualified to rain on their parade. I hold a third degree black belt in troll control. I can’t get rid of them, that’s Roberts Job, but I can confuse them, distract them and lead them down a primrose path. ‘Turning the tables’ on trolls is a fine art that should not be attempted by the unprepared, leave that to the experts.
Mirren10 says
duh-swami, I love you !
🙂 🙂
dumbledoresarmy says
ROFLMAO.
Mate, I’ve seen you in action on many, many occasions over the years, and I confess myself most impressed by your mastery of the RIDDIKULUS! charm, as deployed to dispose of boggarts of all varieties.
You – together with another master of Riddikulus!, Nabi ZK/ Zonie Kafir – are deeply appreciated.
dumbledoresarmy says
the above remark from me was intended for duh-swami; I see I have put it in the wrong part of the thread. Rats!
However: that’s not to say I don’t also greatly enjoy postings by Jan/ Mirren 10, and postings by Philip (especially when he’s sharing information – gained through bitter classroom experience – about the workings or non-workings of the Mohammedan ‘mind’).
But only duh-swami does “Riddikulus!” like duh-swami. And Nabi ZK comes a close second. In that particular area of endeavour, none of the rest of us can match those two.
Champ says
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wellington says
Very funny (again), duh_swami. And of course those who realize what Islam is really all about are all fortunate to have a trained trollologist like yourself remaining vigilant and ready to strike when the time is right.
gravenimage says
Some of my favorite Jihad Watch posters in this part of the thread—Duh Swami, Mirren10 (Jan), Philip Jihadski, Dumbledore’s Army, Wellington, Voegelinian, and Champ—a privilege to stand with you all!
Champ says
Thank you, Graven! …we love you, too 🙂
Vivienne Leijonhufvud (goldie) says
This has been expected ever since the so called peace talks started last year. This lot just aren’t going to back down. Israel is ahead in view of the cache of missiles and assorted weaponry shipped from Iran to Gaza. Iran is so crazy all of us have to keep our eye on the ball. Without sounding like a war monger I really do foresee WWIII just around the corner? Hopefully it will be brief, accurate surgical strikes and the kind of strategy only Israel’s forces are capable of. Since Iran has openly threatened Israel. Hamas is now threatening military action. Will the EU and US wake up? Peace cannot be achieved with people who base ideology on 7th Cent. thinking. The sooner they are wiped out the better. Then let’s get the Temple built , move into a new era of logic and sound economy. Just last week it was rumored US stocks are likely to take another nose dive of a further 40/50%.
revg says
I was just working with the material you gave me. Reading your last statement is even more incriminating. When the word for male genitalia is being bantered around, the last thing I think of is “nom nom nom”, but apparently it is on your mind often enough.
dumbledoresarmy says
Just a reminder to anyone who’s just lobbed in here, who may be new to this site and this subject:
the current thread and some others of recent date will appear confusing because it was previously subject to a rash of “troll” (or, rather, boggart or perhaps dementor) postings which have been removed…hence a good many of the remaining postings will puzzle, being replies to said boggart and/ or dementor.
On any jihadwatch thread in which there is or evidently has been a frantic flurry of troll/ boggart/ dementor activity, a good rule of thumb is to step right back out of the sandstorm, go back up to the top of the page, and re-read the posted article, slowly and carefully. Because it probably contains something which the troll activity is intended to distract you from thinking about.
“Troll’ activity at jihadwatch rarely involves the “troll simple” (that is: a mere poltergeist that comes here to find a hot-button topic where it can rile people up for fun , but is probably not a Muslim and indeed doesn’t care two hoots about the actual topic of discussion, one way or another).
Troll activity here is usually more sinister than that. Here, you will meet equivalents of “Tokyo Rose” and “Baghdad Bob”. You will encounter boggarts and dementors, and sand-throwers aplenty, whose *deliberate* aim is to disrupt and / or to demoralise, and sometimes to “split the camp” of the Infidels by stirring up trouble and fomenting bad feeling between posters of different ethnic, political or non-muslim ‘religious’ camps. Not all mohammedans will identify themselves as such; on occasion they will pretend to be something else, and behind that mask, will attempt to sow confusion and dissension.
Be on your guard.
bikeboy says
Thank you