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German “Islam experts” claim Muslims going to Syria because of poverty and discrimination

Mar 11, 2014 12:12 pm By Robert Spencer

MuslimcoupleCNS News noted in September 2013 that “according to a Rand Corporation report on counterterrorism, prepared for the Office of the Secretary of Defense in 2009, ‘Terrorists are not particularly impoverished, uneducated, or afflicted by mental disease. Demographically, their most important characteristic is normalcy (within their environment). Terrorist leaders actually tend to come from relatively privileged backgrounds.’ One of the authors of the RAND report, Darcy Noricks, also found that according to a number of academic studies, ‘Terrorists turn out to be more rather than less educated than the general population.'”

Nonetheless, in Germany, the establishment “Islam experts” are still peddling the lies:

“Recruiting for Jihad,” from DW, March 8 (thanks to all who sent this in):

More and more young Muslims are being radicalized and coaxed into fighting in Syria by Salafists. Both teachers and parents have reasons for concern, because there is currently a lack of strategies to protect teenagers.

Women with children, as well as strict Muslims and young teenagers are in the audience at the unusual performance taking place this afternoon: under the close watch of his bodyguards, the Salafist preacher Pierre Vogel has stepped up onto a small stage in Bonn and is making a speech. His aim, he says, is to clear up misunderstandings about Islam. Passers-by stop to listen and get involved, surprised by the preacher’s attempts to convert the audience. The ‘highlight’ of the afternoon comes after about twenty minutes: it is a public conversion to Islam.

Since then, a week has passed and many teachers and parents are extremely worried: Salafists have been advertising their events on schoolyards – and some of their recruiting is successful. “It’s not only one school where Salafists are trying to recruit teenagers,” said Saloua Mohammed, a 32-year-old social worker who has been working in Bonn for many years. She has a good idea of what is going on in the Salafist scene: Young Muslims as well as pupils from educationally disadvantaged background have been a particular focus in her work. Her explanation for that focus is that she is “afraid that disadvantaged teenagers in particular will fall into radicalism.”

The idea that poverty causes terrorism has been debunked again and again. That’s why we see so many Haitian suicide bombers. In reality, study after study has shown that jihadists are generally more affluent and better educated than their peers. Nonetheless, the “experts” keep peddling the nonsense:

Islam expert Michael Kiefer believes that around 250 young German Muslims have joined the fighting in Syria

Islam experts Rauf Ceylan and Michael Kiefer have written about Salafism in their newest book. “What we have seen is that a whole group of very, very young men left Frankfurt last summer. All of them could be seen as coming from an educationally disadvantaged background,” said Michael Kiefer. He thinks that they probably went to join Islamist forces Syria [sic], where around 250 Jihadists from Germany have so far joined the fighting. According to Kiefer, “people whose lives have hardly been a walk in the park, who have experienced discrimination” are particularly susceptible to radicalization. And they are the perfect targets for Salafist recruiters.

That this is utter fantasy is proven by the fact that Muslim doctors plotted jihad terror in Glasgow, and a Muslim PhD student plotted jihad terror in Canada, and so many Muslim clerics the world over have been involved in jihad terror plots. These people were not by any stretch of the imagination “educationally disadvantaged,” and had not faced discrimination serious enough to prevent them from getting advanced degrees in their fields.

The pernicious aspect of these fantasies is that they reinforce the idea — also debunked, by recent hard experience in Iraq and Afghanistan — that if we give Muslims money, education, and opportunities, the jihad will cease.

…Michael Kiefer explains that it becomes obvious why the Salafists get through to teenagers when you analyze their message. “They tell these young men: ‘If you join us, you will be on the right side. If you act according to the will of God, if you go to Syria and fight for Him, then you are sure to get into paradise. All the others will go to hell.”

At least he has that right.

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  1. jewdog says

    Mar 11, 2014 at 12:52 pm

    I think it’s great that Muslims go to Syria. I can’t understand why that’s a problem. Maybe cut their welfare and more will leave.

    • bikeboy says

      Mar 11, 2014 at 1:23 pm

      I’m with you on this. If we make it so they would have to work many will leave, the same in the UK and the other European Welfare States.

    • adc714 says

      Mar 11, 2014 at 1:37 pm

      I guess the problem is what they do when they return from Syria, but we all know what the solution to that is!

    • Alarmed Pig Farmer says

      Mar 11, 2014 at 2:24 pm

      Maybe cut their welfare and more will leave.

      Right on, Jewdog. Up here in Minnesota the dole includes AFDC for the children of wives 2-4, subsidized SBA loans for their cabs, free healthcare, Section 8 subsidized or even free housing and Affirmative Action race preference for college admission and employment.

      I’ll go ya one better, or actually three:

      1) Enforce bigamy laws on Moslem men, we get a sideshow every couple of years on some Mormon sect out West, and bigamist Mormons are a tiny portion of the total LDS population.

      2) Prosecute AFDC welfare fraud, which usually results in a year or two in jail if convicted; every effort is made to allow it for fear of seeming to disagree with the Moslem faith, one of the world’s great religions. An Abrahamic religion.

      3) Shut down the clitoridectomy factories at certain hospital-affiliated clinics, or at least refuse to force U.S. taxpayers foot the bill for the clip jobs. Let the proud Moslem man pay for it. Hell, he’s the one getting the benefit.

      • jewdog says

        Mar 11, 2014 at 5:51 pm

        Hmmm….maybe I should change my name to Ahmed and move to Minnesota. I can get me a few wives and become a welfare pimp.

        • Alarmed Pig Farmer says

          Mar 12, 2014 at 6:05 am

          I’ve been on record in this blog for a decade that Ahmed is my fave Moslem name. Classic. Come on up to the Northland. You’ll be further pleased to know that the Minnesota Dept of Civil Rights is working with a Mo-Bro-Hood front group to solve the problem of Islamophobia. That one started after the sons of the cab drivers started going to Somalia to join al-Shabab to fight the jihad. Minnesota Mujahadin, you might say.

    • Larry A. Singleton says

      Mar 11, 2014 at 5:43 pm

      Maybe you need a reminder. They’re not “just” going over there to “fight”. They’re going over there to slaughter women and babies:

      “Nowhere in rebel-controlled Syria is there a secular fighting force to speak of” — New York Times, April 28, 2013

      Syrian rebels pledge loyalty to al-Qaeda — USA Today, April 11, 2013

      Syria: Sunni “rebels” hang 4-year old shiite boy after murdering his whole family
      Damascus: The Swiss-magazine reports that a four-year-old boy had to witness how his mother, father, sisters, brothers and grandparents were murdered. After that he was kicked and punched and publicly hanged in the district of Zainab in Damascus.
      http://sheikyermami.com/2012/08/11/syria-sunni-rebels-hang-4-year-old-shiite-boy-after-murdering-his-whole-family/

      Toddler in Syria reportedly chained to a fence and made to watch jihadis from the ranks of the “Free Syrian Army” kill her Shia parents.
      http://frontpagemag.com/2013/raymond-ibrahim/shias-the-arab-springs-latest-victims/

      Syria: Jihadist rebels murder 15-year-old boy for blasphemy
      Rebels (terrorists) fighting the Syrian regime have shot dead a 15-year-old boy in front of his parents and siblings after accusing him of blasphemy, an activist group said.
      http://www.jihadwatch.org/2013/06/syria-jihadist-rebels-murder-15-year-old-boy-for-blasphemy.html

      Interfaith outreach in Syria: Obama-backed jihadists behead priest as crowd chants “Allahu akbar”
      The Vatican is confirming the death by beheading of Franciscan Father, Francois Murad, who was martyred by Syrian jihadists on June 23.
      http://www.jihadwatch.org/2013/06/interfaith-outreach-in-syria-obama-backed-jihadists-behead-priest-as-crowd-chants-allahu-akbar.html

      Syria: Muslims behead Christian, stab him with crucifix (Video of mother)
      http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/03/syria-muslims-behead-christian-stab-him-with-crucifix

      Syrian Rebels Behead And Kill Children In Historic Christian Village

  2. Jerry says

    Mar 11, 2014 at 1:42 pm

    As educationally disadvantaged as Nidal Malik Hassan,
    or Obama bin Laden?

  3. SpiritOf1683 says

    Mar 11, 2014 at 2:38 pm

    Islamists certainly aren’t going to Syria to become millionaires. If they were offered afleet of S Class Mercedes Benzes, they’d still choose Jihad. They’re not interested in money, they’re only interested in death.

  4. tpellow says

    Mar 11, 2014 at 7:22 pm

    And more and more Muslims are using Britain as their base from which to go to wage jihad in Syria:-

    “Three men and one woman arrested on terrorism charges by officers probing British jihadists planning to fight in Syria.”

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2578135/Four-people-arrested-Manchester-Oxford-suspicion-terror-offences-linked-war-Syria.html#ixzz2vhPa4vwN

  5. gravenimage says

    Mar 11, 2014 at 7:46 pm

    German “Islam experts” claim Muslims going to Syria because of poverty and discrimination
    ……………………………

    This is even more ludicrous than the usual claims.

    Who would travel almost 2000 miles—no way to make this trip all that cheaply, unless bankrolled by some Jihad group—to get to a violent war zone if one were motivated by poverty and discrimination?

    Besides, Germany is one of the most affluent nations in the world—even if one buys the charges of “discrimination”—iffy at best—there is far more opportunity in Western Europe than in some violent Jihad zone.

    Unless, of course, the “opportunity” these Jihadists are seeking is “killing and being killed in the way of Allah”, which it is.

    In that case, a bloody Jihad war zone has far more “opportunity” than an Infidel nation with modern security.

    Of course, with enough of these Jihadists returning to Dar-al-Harb, that could change—and waging Jihad terror against the “filthy Kuffar” could overwhelm the capacity of law enforcement to stop most terrorism. This is, indeed, the fear Infidel nations have.

    All the more reason to refuse these seasoned Jihadists reentry—not just to Germany, but to all of Dar-al-Harb.

  6. Mirren10 says

    Mar 11, 2014 at 8:19 pm

    How I wish **every** mohammedan in Eurabia would trot off to Syria, and never come back.

    Why one earth do Western governments wring their hands over these scum being ‘radicalised’ ( ha ha ) , and devote ink to wondering why they do it ? Well, the answers are in the koran !

    Let them go ! **All** of them ! But **never, ever, let them back in ** !!

    How really **funny** (in a sick way) that we are told these evil scum are schlepping off to Syria, because, in a Germany where they have been given access to education, subsidised housing, welfare, and numerous benefits, they are actually victims of ” poverty and discrimination”.

    Of course, in **Syria**, they will find an Eldorado of mohammedans who will be only too ready to usher them into a Golden Age where mohammedans are top dogs (as they deserve to be), where the brave mujahedeen will crush all infidels before them, and they will have the privilege of blowing themselves up whilst murdering the insufficiently Islamic, and shrieking ”allahu akhbar”.

    Oh, isn’t it wonderful.

    Please, please, please, **all** mohammedans in dar-al-harb; get your backsides over to Syria, Yemen, Nigeria, Afghanistan, et al. mohammed and ‘allah’ will surely reward you !

  7. Transmaster says

    Mar 11, 2014 at 8:44 pm

    The bottom line it is fun. free eats from Iran, or Saudi Arabia, depending on what side you are on. Automatic weapons, bombs, nerve gas, butcher knifes All the Jihad Jana’s you want. Behead Christians and play soccer with their severed heads, Burn and loot; Allah Akbar! And when you are done you go home and brag about being a holy warrior of Allah. Hey infidel where is my jizya, I mean my dole. All this and you punch your ticket to paradise where you can revisit all of the women you raped and murdered.

  8. Cy Halothrin says

    Mar 11, 2014 at 8:56 pm

    Though I could be wrong, I think it’s probably the case that the Jihad leaders are relatively well-educated. However, their “shock troops” are as likely as not to be among the less well-educated, and certainly less well-adjusted individuals. Think about it – teenagers who are unemployed, bored , not too bright, and (perhaps most importantly) insecure. Especially insecure around the opposite sex. Then suddenly he/she is offered the opportunity to be a “hero” by blowing up a bus or a train or shooting people in a shopping mall.

    Now they are “warriors,” martyrs, big shots in the eyes of their (idiotic) adoring fans. And promised rewards in heaven (72 virgins?).

    If it all sounds crazy, well, it is. It takes a certain amount of insanity to blow up a school bus or an airplane filled with civilians. But apparently there are enough stupid and gullible young people around in this world who can be recruited to this particular “cause,” and smile while they are committing mass murder because they have Allah’s blessing.

  9. eib says

    Mar 11, 2014 at 9:57 pm

    I think that Muslims, regardless of descent should be encouraged to go to Syria.
    And then, once they are there, they should have no right to return to Europe.
    Period.

  10. Transmaster says

    Mar 12, 2014 at 12:05 am

    They are reporting from Los Angeles that is it becoming to cool the among gang bangers to go and fight in Syria but on the side of Assad. These gang member are not Islamic but mostly Catholic and the word is they are going to defend fellow Christians.

  11. fair_dinkum says

    Mar 12, 2014 at 8:39 am

    lets hope they all go and never come back.

  12. citycat says

    Mar 13, 2014 at 1:51 am

    Heaven and hell are here

    There’ll be hell to pay in heaven if Islam is not sorted

  13. dumbledoresarmy says

    Mar 17, 2014 at 7:52 am

    From the article – “the Salafist preacher Pierre Vogel has stepped up onto a small stage in Bonn and is making a speech.”

    **Pierre Vogel**???

    Salafist preacher, *Pierre Vogel*?

    He’s an ethnic German, born and raised non-Muslim, *convert* to Islam, eh?? So why doesn’t the article tell us his Shahada name, and when and where he signed up for the Allah Gang, the Mohammedan Mob, the army of the Empire of Islam?

    Looks like I got another one for my “Dangerous Converts” dossier.

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