This is not a conclusive indication that the plane fell prey to a jihad attack. Still, there are several disquieting indications that that cannot be discounted as a possibility: just before takeoff, the pilot, Zaharie Ahmad Shah, got a call from someone using phone obtained under false identity, raising “fears of a possible link between Captain Zaharie, 53, and terror groups whose members routinely use untraceable SIM cards.” Also, Zaharie was a “fanatical” follower of Anwar Ibrahim, who is linked to Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi, who has praised Hitler and justified suicide bombing. Anwar Ibrahim is a founder of the International Institute of Islamic Thought; it is well established that the IIIT is a Muslim Brotherhood front.
“Malaysia plane disappearance no accident, says investigator,” by Mahi Ramakrishnan for USA Today, March 26:
KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia — The pilot of the missing Malaysia Airlines jet is believed to be solely responsible for the flight being taken hundreds of miles off course and there is no evidence of a mechanical failure or hijacking by a passenger, according to a source involved in the investigation.
A high-ranking officer attached to a special investigative branch of the Malaysia police force in Kuala Lumpur said Wednesday that investigators are pressing relatives of the pilot, Capt. Zaharie Ahmad Shah, for information on his behavior leading up to the March 8 flight. They believe he “deliberately” redirected the plane, said the official.
The Boeing 777 was bound for Beijing when it vanished from civilian radar. Malaysia says satellite data indicate the plane veered west about an hour after takeoff and then flew south deep into the southern Indian Ocean.
The lack of places to land there, and the amount of fuel needed to get there, indicates that the flight must have ended there and that there is no realistic hope the 239 people on board survived, according to Defense Minister Hishammuddin Hussein.
A French satellite scanning the Indian Ocean for remnants of a missing jetliner found a possible plane debris field containing 122 objects, he said, calling it “the most credible lead that we have.”
The search resumed Wednesday after fierce winds and high waves forced crews to take a break Tuesday. A total of 12 planes and five ships from the United States, China, Japan, South Korea, Australia and New Zealand were participating in the search.
“This was premeditated,” the investigator, who has been on the case since the beginning, told USA TODAY. “If you scrutinize the crew and passenger list, you will know there is no one else besides the captain who has the experience and expertise to fly the plane.”
The official could not speak on the record because he is not authorized to talk publicly on the investigation. He said investigators have found no connection between Zaharie, 53, and any militant groups, and the 27-year-old co-pilot on the flight did not have the experience to manage such a diversion, they believe.
Zaharie was a firm supporter of the opposition party to the current ruling regime and his flight left the day that the party’s leader, Anwar Ibrahim, was sentenced to five years in prison on sex crimes his supporters say are fraudulent. Zaharie was in the courtroom when the verdict was announced.
The official said there “is nothing amiss” in Zaharie’s finances to suggest he did something drastic for money. And he refuted reports in British media that Zaharie received a phone call moments before the flight was to depart from a woman who used a false name to obtain a cellphone SIM card to make the call.
He said as far as investigators knew, he did not receive a phone call to his cellphone at that time.
mortimer says
Fanatics are taking over Malaysia. That much is a fact. What was this fellow up to? Did he plan a suicide attack and then have an error that caused him to ditch?
Stephen Poole says
… Wouldn’t ditchin’ an airplane full o’ innocent people be considered a suicide attack, Mort ?? … Just askin’ … SP OX …
mortimer says
‘Someone’ deliberately and intentionally diverted the airplane. Important devices were turned off. The only thing I can think of is that ‘someone’ on board ordered the pilot to divert the plane and he intentionally flew it until it ran out of gas.
Stephen Poole says
… I rest my case, Mort … SP OX …
Skycaptain says
B777 Pilots Thoughts on MH370 Disappearance
I have some food for thought you may want to consider. I combined my
background in Law Enforcement and Aviation and came up with, I believe, a
plausible scenario.
Flt 370′s Captain Shah had several reasons to commit suicide. Consider that his estranged wife and children had left him the day before the flight. in Malaysian culture, this is an extreme embarrassment.
That same day his hero a political Muslim activist was sentenced to jail in a kangeroo court for homosexuality, which is ileagal in Malaysia. Combine all this with his passionate political activism and dislike of both Malaysia and China and you can see a very angry and depressed individual
Distraught, Captain Shah planned to end his life on his flight the next day.
Little known to the public, in the cockpit next to the captain’s seat is a very sharp fire ax.once safely in cruise, Captain Shah,programmed the turn into the flight computer. After the copilot’s hand-off with ATC he turned off the transponder and attacked the copilot with the fire ax. Though mortally wounded the younger copilot fought valiantly and wrestled the weapon away from captain. Captain Shah was severely wounded as well. It is well know in LEO circles that attacks with sharp weapons often injure the attacker as well as the victim if a strong defense is initiated.
During this life and death struggle the autopilot was knocked off precipitating the erratic climb to 45000 feet that caused the plane to stall and then plummet until it was recovered by the captain at 25000 feet.
Just so you know, the auto pilot can be knocked off in the B777 if enough force is used against the control yoke. It is designed for the pilot to take control if the autopilot becomes erratic or makes a improper control inputs. A violent struggle in the cockpit could definitely input extreme forces on the control yoke.
Captain Shah was now exhausted from the struggle,wounded,and was losing blood rapidly from his wounds. He probably lost consciousness within minutes and passed away sitting in his seat from a total blood loss.
The Captain had reengaged the autopilot manually immediately after the attack and before he passed out.. After he died of his blood loss the autopilot would continue to fly on the last heading it was engaged on until the fuel ran out and the engines quit. The autopilot would continue to try to maintain altitude and rapidly put the B777 into a deep stall that would lead to a death spiral down in the ocean. This descent would take several minutes but would end in a catastrophic crash, disintegrating the B777.
If you can call it good news, this crash would possibly leave some larger
debris than a controlled high speed dive I posited earlier. However since there was zero fuel left on board Flight 370 there would be no large oil slick.
As you can see my scenario is completely congruent with all the known flight
path data we possess at this tim
gravenimage says
Skycaptain wrote:
Distraught, Captain Shah planned to end his life on his flight the next day.
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What utter rot. A “distraught” person would not attack his colleague with an axe and then murder the passengers and crew whose lives he was tasked with safeguarding.
He might have stayed home and taken a fistful of pills or driven his car into an embankment, but a person who was simply despondent would *not* commit mass murder.
Try again…
Skycaptain says
It wasn’t just despondence. Capt Shah was a political activist and his hero had been arrested and jailed by Malaysian authorities. Perhaps He was going to take the airplane and land it and demand release of his hero. However, when met with violent force, as I said, he was mortally wounded in the struggle with the fireax. He passed out and then bled out and the autopilot flew on, both pilots dead until the fuel ran out.
I’m sure the copilot wanted nothing to do with any plan of subtrefuge that Capt Shah had. He surely must have put up a violent defense of his life. I would have.
If you ar approaching this using your own thoughts as a westerner you must understand that Malaysians and especially Muslims have no problem killing innocents. Look around you. The answer is written in the news and history. Look up the Egyptair crash of 1999.
zathras says
I keep posting this but it seems to a blank wall: there was an IDENTICAL scenario in Algeria before the internet diarrhoea and I guess that it must have been in the late 1980s. A Muslim Algerian pilot had just discovered that his wife had left him and after being some 20 minutes into his destination, he started to pray(all on the black box). His co-pilot noticed and thought that he was behaving differently anyway and asked the question but was ignored. Apparently his following behaviour was normal until they reached a certain point (in time or place) when the pilot forced the stick forward and applied maximum thrust. The co-pilot could not stop this as he was jammed back in his seat and the pilot screamed: “allahu Akbar” all the way to the ground. IIRC the wings broke off and it made identification difficult. There were some 20 infidels on board, mostly French.
gravenimage says
Malaysia plane disappearance no accident, pilot solely responsible
This is not a conclusive indication that the plane fell prey to a jihad attack. Still, there are several disquieting indications that that cannot be discounted as a possibility…
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No, indeed. And whatever happened, this *was not* the usual pilot error. There was no rough weather; this was not a poorly-executed landing.
And then there is the matter of several key systems *being turned off*, and the fact that there does not appear to have been *any attempt* on the part of the pilot to contact anyone on the ground.
Then, too, there are questions about the status of the second pilot. Where was he?
The veering off course seems like the most damning point.
And what was happening with the passengers? I consider this one of the great mysteries. In an age where almost everyone has a cell phone, why were there no calls—alarmed or just routine—to anyone from any of the passengers?
All in all, it is hard to imagine any motive *besides* Jihad here.
Joel says
R: The passengers. In either one of the earlier posts on JW or on a News Max article, or somewhere on the Net, it said that the pilot took the plane to (I think it was 43,000 feet, but perhaps 45,000 feet) altitude, which would have rendered the passengers unconscious.
Also, the plane took off quite late-as I recall, about midnight local time.
Having, in the US, flown several times on late flights, many if not most passengers, as soon as they can remove their seat belts s, on these flights, go to sleep.
My 5 cents.
Tom Davis says
Yes, the plane did reach 45,000 feet, but that does not necessarily mean that the cabin depressurized. The 777’s service ceiling is 43,100, so we are talking about a difference of 1,900 feet, which is not a lot – such excessive altitude is not enough to cause cabin pressure to fail. Also, cabin pressurization systems work by the cabin accepting a fixed amount of bleed air from the engines and then controlling pressure by an outflow valve to be found on the rear bulkhead. If the engines continue to run you get a pressured cabin, unless the structure fails or the outflow valve is completely opened. So the pressure system should have continued to function, unless it also was sabotaged or another larger failure occurred.
gravenimage says
You may be right, Joel. Thanks.
Skycaptain says
A B777 can fly and remain presurrized at 45000 feet. It is above recommended cruise altitude but it will fly and will remain pressurized.
Alec Bursop says
It’s all supposition at this time, so there is no point in scare-mongering.
Whether they ever will find what is left of the aircraft is something that we just do not know yet
Even if they do locate it, retrieving the black box is going to be difficult.
If it was an act of terrorism then it surprising that there have been no announcements from terrorist groups claiming responsibility.
So at the moment I lean towards it being a terrible accident.
Buraq says
@ ‘smart’ Alec
“Supposition”, you say! Was the pilot not flying the plane? Did the plane not fly for hours and hours after veering off course? Did the wind push the 250 ton 777 off course despite the pilot’s heroic efforts to keep it on the flight path?
And as for no one making a claim for this jihad attack, you could say the same about Lockerbie. No, this has got Islam’s bloody fingerprints all over it!
bill says
Absolutely agree. This trial by media and the accused is not there to defend himself/themselves. It is disappointing to see this being included on Jihad Watch when there is no established connection apart from supposition to jihad. This lowers my respect for JW and Mr Spencer. JW should stick to facts not rumours.
1. Jihadis like everybody to know what they have done.
2. If suicide was the aim why fly so far to ditch the plane?
Tom D says
#2 is easy to answer if we recall the 1997 SilkAir Flight 185 crash. The Singaporean captain, according to the NTSB, deliberately crashed the plane after incurring huge debts and after taking out a large life insurance policy. There is evidence that the captain deliberately disabled the cockpit voice recorder before the crash. The Malaysian Airlines captain certainly read the SilkAir NTSB report and so, if he were like minded, would know that disabling the CVR would not have been enough to hide a suicide.
#1 is harder to answer. My guesses:
A) the pilot intended to crash into a prominent Malaysian building but realized that he couldn’t find his targets at night, so he improvised the disappearance, or
B) the pilot has delusions of reaching Somalia and having the passengers held hostage for Anwar Ibrahim’s release, but realized he couldn’t make it to Somalia, so he improvised the disappearance, or
C) the disappearance was intended all along, because the pilot knew that nothing sabotages air safety like uncertainty.
I personally lean toward B
Anthony says
I am a pilot. The co-pilot on that flight would have all the skills necessary to fly that plane by himself if need be. He would be familiar with all the systems aboard that aircraft. That is what a co-pilot is for – a backup to the pilot.
So either the co-pilot was in on it or the pilot murdered the co-pilot and flew the plane to its ultimate destination.
As far as the passengers trying to call on cell phone, I doubt they even knew what was going on. All the pilot had to do was keep flying the plane (it would be on auto-pilot anyways) and make some excuses to the passengers about be diverted due to weather etc. Probably there was no cell phone reception avail anyways.
Planes rarely just fall out of the sky so 99.9999% sure foul play is involved here.
Stephen Poole says
… Cellular telephone tower’s transmitting radii are 30 miles, give or take … That plane would have been out of CT range in about 5 minutes … SP OX …
Stephen Poole says
… Correction : 3 minutes … … In school, recess was my best subject … SP OX …
Joel says
Could it have been the other way around? The co-pilot (as I recall reading was somewhat religious) murdered the plot? And did a jihad thing? perhaps what he wanted to do would/could not work, so did the disappearing? (The other way-from your supposition that the pilot might have murdered the co- pilot).
Just asking
duh_swami says
A question no one but me asks is, what exactly does ‘All right, good night’, mean? This was made after the plane made a U turn. If everything was not ‘all right’ why would he say that? Is that a normal sign off? And is it normal for the plane to sign off radio contact? And ‘good night’, could easily mean ‘good bye’. That could be ‘good bye, by suicide or hijack.
Champ ✿ says
“All right, good night”
Yes, Duh_Swami, that’s a very strange thing to say in light of what’s happened; as it adds to the whole mystery. So many questions, and not enough answers.
blais says
Pilots have commented that that was a strange message. They have also said that pilots have a message they can send in case of hijacking for instance to sound the alarm. If the pilot was involved in foul play, maybe the copilot was under duress and threat and that strange message was his way of sounding the alarm.
We all have our theories! I hope and pray they find out what happened.
nacazo says
i think the pilot put sleeping pills on the co-pilot’s coffee so he became sleepy and said “alright, good night” when falling asleep under the influence of the sleeping pills….
Tom Davis says
The ‘good night’ line was probably innocent. The plane was in the process of being handed off by one ATC zone (Malaysia) to another (Vietnam). If you know that you will not be talking to Malaysia because you will be talking to Vietnam then ‘good night’ seems appropriate.
Of course, such hand-off points make ideal places for the no-so-innocent to act.
My opinion FWIW, based on released information, is that the co-pilot was likely innocent of any wrongdoing.
Stanton Cordray says
I have not seen any of the information presented here on any mainstream news organ, print or electronic. While the search for the plane is discussed endlessly (as it should be) serious thought as to what happened to it, and why, is always (in what I have seen) completely lacking.
One would think that the fact that the plane was headed for nowhere, was a thousand miles off its flight path, and was a thousand miles from a landing place in any direction, would occasion some speculation as to why this might have been so. If the plane was comandeered, there would have been no point at all in taking it in the direction it apparently went. Does this call for explanation?
Does anyone other than jihadwatch want to know what happened, or is the world content to just ignore the subject because of where it might lead?
Stephen Poole says
… 0 I Bin Followin’ This Pretty Closely from The Start … … Jihad Watch does not have “The Answers” … And, speculation will always be part of, “The Final Solution” … Try to grasp where that plane ditched/ran outta fuel, Stanton Cordray, and you might “grasp” what’s really goin’ on here/there … … South of 40 degrees latitude, there is no God … Just sayin’ … SP OX …
Champ ✿ says
And they still haven’t found the Malaysian plane yet. Why would Malaysia announce that the plane has crashed in the Indian Ocean, when no physical evidence has been recovered yet. They’re only going on satellite images that may, or may not, be the missing plane. In my opinion the announcement came very prematurely. I mean it might be the Malaysian plane, but we still don’t know for certain yet.
Pertaining to the headline: Yes, it’s hard to ignore that this may have been a jihad attack.
Steffen Larsen says
Major electric fault, causing signals blackout and the plane initiating return to Malaysia.
This accompanied, or caused, or followed by decompression. Leaving all aboard unconscious or dead …..it has been seen before.
This is to me the most likely explanation. If it wasn’t for the reports telling us that signals were “turned off”, ie deliberately. And the pilot being in the courtroom THAT DAY, when party leader Anwar Ibrahim, was sentenced to five years in prison.
Zathras says
You can still land an airliner with no active communications so long as you have the real desire to get it down in one piece. Not easy but most airline pilots are capable of this.
The fact that he headed for the one certain evidence “dead spot” (southern ocean) to leave no evidence makes it certain cold blooded pre-planned mass murder AFAIAC.
pongidae rex says
“Zaharie was a firm […fanatical…]supporter of the opposition party to the current ruling regime and his flight left the day that the party’s leader, Anwar Ibrahim, was sentenced to five years in prison on sex crimes…. Zaharie was in the courtroom when the verdict was announced.”
Then there was the 2 minute call from a disposable /untraceable cellphone just before the flight took off.
Then there are the deleted log files from his home flight simulator. Files that appear to have been ‘wiped’ to make them unreadable to forensic disk analysis.
Then there is the fact that the plane was carrying a full load of fuel; much more than was needed for the trip to Beijing, which is contrary to airlines policy.
There is a string of disturbing coincidences regarding this man.
Add to this the fact that the taking of ‘infidel’ life during Jihad where one dies is celebrated as a sure path to paradise in Islam, with the added caveat that any Muslims also killed become ‘martyrs’, so no harm done.
The horror is the possibility that, while locked in the cockpit flying a planeload of people to their deaths, this individual was giving them a sermon on Islam and their need to ‘repent’. That really would take this religion to a new and unplumbed depth of depravity. Most disturbing of all is that such an act would not contradict any widely accepted Islamic norms of waging Jihad against infidels.
But it may have been a mechanical failure that caused sudden, catastrophic loss of cabin pressure while selectively frying all the aircraft electronics except the autopilot, flight control systems and engine management. Something so sudden and violent that the pilots would have no time to pull on their oxygen masks and radio and emergency call, yet would not compromise the aircraft structural integrity. I’ve yet to hear a coherent accident scenario leading to such an outcome.
For the record, I hope it was a sudden depressurization accident. Otherwise, human beings suffered hours of horror flying through darkness in the hands of a suicidal madman.
gravenimage says
The only problems with the sudden depressurization scenario is that some of the systems were deliberately shut down, and the plane flew hundreds of miles off course. Depressurization might well explain the tragic loss of the plane, but not these other factors.
Diane Harvey says
When the airlines post info about their flights, times of departure/arrival, stopovers, type of equipment/plane being used, I demand that they list the religion of the pilots as well.
Stephen Poole says
… Where can I get somma whatcher on ?? … Just askin’ … SP OX …
bobm says
My gut feeling is that the last minute call was a GO signal that his accomplices were aboard and it was a go…. 2 Iranians and 1 Urghyar… the objective is to kill many kuffar and especially Chinese. same principal as a car bomb… news flash islam … it won’t be virgins waiting for you.
mariam rove says
. 2 Iranians and 1 Urghyar…I doubt these guys had anything to do with this. But the pilot is a different story. He had done things in the past that would have gotten him fired if not convicted of crime such as letting people in the cockpit and smoking cigarettes with them. And another troubling fact is that the Malaysian has yet to interview his wife to see if she can shed a light on this guys mental state. M
Joel says
I read that it was the co-pilot, not the pilot, with the women in the cockpit, and smoking. But still, I think an airline from a civilized country would (at the least) frown upon this.
Alan S says
I still find it hard to believe this is a terror activity. What does what from a terror activity, biggest shock, this may have that, but bodies and destruction are more affective, and saying why you did it, ???
Thing an unfortunate accident.
Rob says
Absolutely.
This was possibly pilot suicide, but unlikely terrorism-related.
What terrorist keeps quiet about their action.
bobm says
1 urghyar (Sp)..trained apparently at flight simulation school.,,,, 2 Iranians with FALSE passports… 1 pilot follower of a hardcore imam….2+1+1 =
man; these cnn idiots and the rest of the dhimmi world (Hagel) won’t even speak the word jihad or islam.
Jerry says
Islam is a mass mental disease. No matter what the investigation will ever reveal, I wlll always consider prudent to avoid, as far as possible, any Islamic destination or stop-over, any Islamic airline and any Islamic crew.
Even when there is no Jihaddist motivation, because of the Islamic cultural background and social hirearchy, having an Islamic Captain is problematic, and an Islamic co-pilot is less than free thinking and acting as to challange an erroneous or clearly wrong decision of his Captain.
After all, Islam does not mean Peace – it means Submission!
How do I know?
No comment.
bob says
this t to Cairo was type of thing happened a few years ago as well, when an Egypt Air plane en route from NY to Cairo was brought down by one of the pilots.
John C. Barile says
Yes, I recall reading about the Egypt Air pilot who ditched his plane into the water while reciting his prayers.
Zathras says
He was about to be sacked for misbehaviour(it was his last flight) and the “sacker” was on the plane with him and the motive and the fact that he deliberately crashed the plane was quite obvious from the evidence.
mariam rove says
I have to agree with you here. You make a good point. M
William Munny says
Does Malaysia Want To Know What Happened To Flight MH-370?
bobm says
Does Malaysia want to know?…..hey … I guess so EH?… anybody can put together a high end dugout from the paradice club with 2 coconuts and a four person crew chanting has GOT to be seriously considered … right?
Michael Copeland says
There has been no mention of reaction from Beijing to their having no contact with the expected flight after it left Malaysian air space. Do airlines not have a warning routine for such losses of contact? The first announcement made was something like an hour AFTER the flight had been due to land.
Wellington says
Assuming the plane went down because of a deliberate action by the pilot (and everything seems to point this way) when one eliminates a motive prompted by either Islamic belief or personal problems rising to the level of mental illness, there is almost no other possibility. And yes, just anticipating certain responses, Islamic belief is, quite arguably, a form of mental illness but I am positing here OTHER forms of mental illness. In any case, when one is reduced by logic to consider the only realistic possibilities for a massive crime and tragedy to be those of mental illness or Islam, this in itself is highly damning and telling.
Zathras says
No other religion/ideology promises you a shriving of all sins if you kill nonmemebers of that group even during a suicide. Islam is the ONLY one that allows this and it is NO coincidence.
Reality Check says
Jihad’s goal is to slaughter as many infidels as you can. Wouldn’t it have been better for the Shah to crash the plane into a tower in Beijing or veer off landing and plow into the concourse? He could kill thousands of infidels not a measly 200.
voegelinian says
Most everyone seems to be assuming that the plane crashed — either by accident, or intentionally.
Somewhere along the line, the conjecture that the plane could have been diverted by the Muslim pilot (and/or the copilot and other collaborators among the passengers to keep the bulk of the passengers in terrorized line) in order to spirit it away to a place where it could land and become weaponized for a later terror plot, have been apparently dismissed and forgotten.
“The Boeing 777 was bound for Beijing when it vanished from civilian radar. Malaysia says satellite data indicate the plane veered west about an hour after takeoff and then flew south deep into the southern Indian Ocean.”
The Maldives, a Muslim archipelago, lie in the Indian Ocean, south and west of India. They have a lovely landing strip just waiting for a plane to land:
http://cdn.netmobius.com/images-mle/male_airport1.jpg
But we all know that two Iranians, an Uygur, a couple of Malays, and the Maldives have nothing in common…
Wellington says
Not, I suspect, completely “dismissed and forgotten,” voegelinian, by Mossad and Shin Bet. Actually, would be suprised if otherwise.
voegelinian says
Not one comment here or in any other thread about this mentions my point; not one news story I have seen mentions it as a possibility. As I said, only one early news report quickly brought it up — only to dismiss it airily, with no substantiation.
jewdog says
I bet he crashed his plane into the Indian Ocean because he thought it was Hindu.
EYESOPEN says
There does seem to be a plausible alternative…
http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/mh370-electrical-fire/
I’m not saying it’s so; and I’m not saying it isn’t so, because I can’t. I don’t think anyone will know the truth about what happened to Flight 370 for a very long time – if ever. It’s between the pilot and his crew and Almighty God. HE knows.
I would just hate for the world to castigate this pilot for “Sudden Jihad Syndrome” if the poor SOB was trying to make the best of a bad situation, with his viable alternatives shrinking with every second that passed. When there is no possible way to determine the absolute truth, I tend to give the accused the benefit of the doubt. Just my $.02. YMMV
Stephen Poole says
… My $ .04 cents says this … They had a catastrophe, all were knocked out … Auto-pilot then flew the jet on … Off-course, obviously … And, outta fuel @ The End … Just sayin’ … SP OX …
voegelinian says
Muslims have not earned our benefit of the doubt. Anyone who thinks otherwise just hasn’t been paying close enough attention to this staggering mountain of facts about Islam called Jihad Watch (and this mountain is just one part of the information that exists out there).
Zathras says
Unfortunately there is a precedent for a Muslim doing exactly that and with the same situation(loss or divorce of wife) igniting it. He does not have to be a fanatic but just a guy who knows his suicide will be forgiven if he takes a few infidels with him.
voegelinian says
“He does not have to be a fanatic but just a guy who knows his suicide will be forgiven if he takes a few infidels with him.”
Oh yes he does “have to be” a fanatic. All Muslims are fanatics, until they leave Islam (and really leave it, not pretend-leave it). When will you lukewarm JWers get this?
voegelinian says
For fuck sake, Zathras’s asymptotic spasm caused him to express the thought that a Muslim who mass murders a whole plane-full of passengers would “not have to be a fanatic”.
Such asymptotic spasms, were they in the real world of real policies, could get people killed. As such, I take it seriously, and personally.
Zathras says
voegelinian…just try to think before you rave. Read what I said without prior judgement and then THINK.
FYI I implied that ANY Muslims is capable of such an act but not all Muslims are at that stage of fanaticism. WHY? Beats me as they are all brainwashed from day 1 . But I guess common human decency takes a while to be beaten out of you. Not every Muslim is a fanatic but every Muslim is a potential terrorist.
I am bothering to reply as you seem so ignorant on that subject.
voegelinian says
Zathras has a fascinating theory of the phenomenon of fanaticism. Its pragmatic relevance to our #1 priority — protecting our societies from Muslims — is unclear.
Morton Doodslag says
I have been researching Anwar Ibrahim, a leader of the opposition party in Malaysia, and his arrest and conviction for “sodomy” . This angle is nearly unmentioned in the press, but I think it may be extremely significant. Zaharie attended his sentencing hearing days before the flight, and the trial was truly sensational in Malaysia. They have many clandestine videos of Anwar Ibrahim smooching and walking around naked in various hotels with various men. He climbs in bed, he lounges with them, it appears quite clear that he was conducting homosexual affairs in a deeply homophobic nation. What kind of dissonance must this have caused in the mind of a man who was most likely extremely homophobic, a Muslim, and a fanatical devotee of Anwar Ibrahim??? I think this Muslim pilot’s life was unravelling, and one of the penultimate moments in the leadup to the flight may have shattered his islamic sensibilities. This may have been a massive act of murder based on the rage of a Muslim whose world view had just been shattered to its core.
Salah says
” What kind of dissonance must this have caused in the mind of a man who was most likely extremely homophobic, a Muslim, and a fanatical devotee of Anwar Ibrahim???”
He must have said to himself: Anwar is doing it for Allah!!!
Check out this “fatwa”:
Fatwa permits sodomy to widen the anus to fit it with explosives as a means to Jihad.
http://crossmuslims.blogspot.ca/2012/07/wide-anus-for-allah-anus-large-pour.html
Nelson Abdullah says
I have a big question regarding the suicide angle that doesn’t seem to make sense. If the pilot and/or co-pilot decided to commit suicide why take the aircraft so far away? Isn’t the point of an act of suicide to garner attention? There would have been many opportunities shortly after takeoff to simply crash the airplane.
When the info on the 7 hours of pings came out and the two arcs of possible flight, one north and one south, I was leaning towards the plot to steal the airplane and fly it to Pakistan to be hidden in a hangar and repainted. I still think that until they recover some debris that positively connects to the aircraft that hijack theory is still viable. The actions of the flight crew to manually turn off the transponder and the ACARS system does not fit the suicide scenario. No one commits suicide by hiding in silence in a remote place.
Zathras says
To make it virtually impossible to prove that it was cold blood mass murder as Muslim airlines are very susceptible to this sort of rumour spreading angst amongst possible passengers and so abandoning the airline with the then expected financial loss. I would be interested to know if Singapore Airlines allow Muslim pilots.
From my POV, and as I do with Muslim taxi drivers, I would refuse to fly if a Muslim was the pilot.
Guy Macher says
A story about a Muslim barrow killing for his satanic moon god is not news. it’s history.
uleaveuswithnoalternative says
I said this when the plane first went missing: You have an airplane flying out of a Muslim majority nation, there are 2 Muslims flying the airplane, on board the plane are two Iranian Muslims using stolen passports and a Muslim Uighur (flying less than 2 weeks after the Uighurs attacked Chinese civilians in a train station, killing 33 and wounding 143). One of these Muslim passengers reportedly took flight training in Sweden.
Of course the United States and the rest of the world, in the spirit of political correctness, do everything they can to overlook these pertinent facts.
I’m sure the NTSB and Malaysian Airlines will eventually conclude that the disappearance of flight 370 was due to exploding lithium batteries or Amish extremists who deliberately crashed the plane in an area of the Indian ocean where the recovery of wreckage will prove to be impossible.
bobm says
Right on Uleaveus.
uleaveuswithnoalternative says
Thank you Bobm!
It all just seems so obvious.
Every time I watch TV news “reporting” on the planes disappearance, I want to tear my hair out.
Gba says
Theories abound! But one solid fact remains:
Muslims are taught from babyhood to hate infidels and to use taqiyya! This scheme was a pre-planned way to attain 75 virgins!
Joel says
I thought that Amish extremists were against cars, especially convertible sports cars. And that Amish pornography is ROAD AND TRACK, and pictures of cars, and hard core Amish pornography is a sports car with the roof down.
Am i wrong?
Clearsighted says
I’m a pilot and in response to many of the questions on this article, I would point out the following:
1. “All right, Good night.” This is not unusual in itself. At night, when fewer flights are in the sky, the conversation with controllers is often non-standard. The Malaysian controller was in the middle of a “hand off” which is accomplished by a radio call to the flight crew which goes something like: “Malaysian Air 370, now leaving my airspace. Contact Vietnam Flight Information on frequency xxx.xx.” It would be not be at all unusual for the pilot to respond with “All right, Good night.” The pilot would then tune the communications radios to the new frequency and contact the next controller. Why pilots think this particular comment unusual in this case is that it was made AFTER the transponder had been turned off and AFTER the plane began the turn to the west. It would be unusual for the pilot not to tell controllers what was up with the transponder or the course change.
The service ceiling of the 777 is about 41000 feet. This plane was flown up to 45,000 feet which is above the service ceiling and stayed there for 23 minutes. At 45,000 feet, the oxygen on board would have lasted only about 12 minutes. Within seconds of the oxygen running out, anyone without an oxygen source would be unconscious. Death would follow moments later. Think almost twice as high as Mount Everest without oxygen.
If there were a fire severe enough to take out all comm systems on board, this plane would not have kept flying for 7 hours.
None of the passengers would have noticed the turn to the west. It was night over the ocean when the turn was made. The cabin lights would have been dimmed to allow people to sleep. Without ground references, nobody would have realized that the plane was turning. The co-pilot, however, if he wasn’t in on it, would have known something was up because his electronic moving map flight displays would have showed the path the airplane was flying. So, if the captain did it and the co-pilot wasn’t in on it, the captain probably waited until the co-pilot left the flight deck either to go to the bathroom or talk to the flight attendants and then executed his plan. I believe that after the climb to 45000 feet everybody ran out of oxygen and were either unconscious or dead when the airplane became a ghost ship flying on until it ran out of fuel. They were certainly dead when the airplane ran out of fuel hours later and dropped from the sky.
While we don’t yet know for sure, it is highly unlikely that this was an accident. This is not like the Payne Stewart crash where sudden decompression killed the crew and passengers and the plane flew on for 4 more hours until it ran out of fuel and dropped out of the sky into a farm field. The difference was that the Payne Stewart plane was following its programmed flight path when the crew became incapacited and it continued on that path until it crashed. In the Malaysian airplane case, the plane had been turned way off course BEFORE it became a ghost ship. That was not an accident.
Steffen Larsen says
Also there is Helios Airways Flight 522.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helios_Airways_Flight_522
Hypoxia can be gradual, creeping, making reactions to it illogical and disjointed.
Tom Davis says
Clearsighted, you wrote “It would be not be at all unusual for the pilot to respond with “All right, Good night.” The pilot would then tune the communications radios to the new frequency and contact the next controller. Why pilots think this particular comment unusual in this case is that it was made AFTER the transponder had been turned off and AFTER the plane began the turn to the west.”
The published timeline has the “Good night” transmission occurring at 17:19 UTC, and the last transponder transmission at 17:21.
Mr Squat says
I dont understand how anyone can call such incidents “pilot suicide” (all involve Muslim pilots, by some strange coincidence).
It is NOT SUICIDE. It is MASS MURDER.
Wendy Miller says
I believe the pilot was responsible. Somebody had to know a lot about that plane and the complicated things involved in a plane by turning off the radar, etc. My question is: Why did he try to make a U-turn and, if it is terrorism, which I believe it is, why were there no demands?
citycat says
Infidels have been killed at random without a word, like the guy that was mowed while walking on the pavement, a while back.
Silence can be an aspect of fear and terror.
Zathras says
Just a brief note this time:
I certainly DO remember an Algerian airliner pilot who wife had just divorced/left him and he just pushed the stick full forward yelling “Allahu Akbar”. The “black box” has shown that he was praying minutes before this occurred and this aroused curiosity in his colleague who was quite unable to stop him crashing the plane and taking some infidels with him.
Moral: don’t fly Muslim airlines and never fly if there is a Muslim pilot. Like all Muslims the risk is always there.
Rezali Mehil says
All,
I have been reading your comments with great dismay. How can you say these things about a man who has been a great servant to Malaysian Airlines. How can you come to these conclusions without getting the hard facts from the black box. Come on… use your kuffar technology …recover it …and THEN talk.
Surely …if it was a to be a jihad attack “trying to kill as many infidels as possible”…as someone said …he could have flown the plane into a major city…..why isn’t anybody saying this. Clearly his intention was different to this.
My own theory is that there was mechanical and electronic problems on the plane, making communications impossible. The likelyhood is that it did not have the proper levels of servicing.
The pilot therefore SAVED lives on the ground by doing his best to take the plane away from any land. He would ditch the plane on the water and than try and ask for help from there. True that would be difficult but life is hard.
The phone call before lift off was probably from the woman who loved him…(which clearly was not his wife…she had moved out) who had assured him that she will stand by him , she loved him and that she was waiting for him so that they can talk about their future. He was not a broken man, he was going to rebuild his future…have new kids you know.
In this context it is sad that the pilot and the woman have both been left stranded …but will probably be together in the afterlife …where he will wait for her.
All very sad you know , but please focus on the lives that he saved on the ground.
More Later….
Rezali
Steffen Larsen says
You almost made me cry, Rezali. I am so sad. Wonderful sensitive stuff that ….but mere speculations and guesswork, naturally.
Zathras says
Yes he had heard that the sea was less choppy and the swell less in the southern Ocean, hence his long trip there.
Really Rezali, are you letting your own prejudices or “cultural differences’ invade common sense, to mask the obvious conclusion that it was NOT an accident.
Personally I do not believe that the pilot was a terrorist fanatic. I believe that he was a normal Muslim male pushed into suicide by the loss of self esteem and honour (from his wife leaving)but determined to cleanse his suicide sin slate by taking a few worthless infidels with him and exactly as per the Koran.
You miss the point totally: you can still be a formerly good man and mass murder 200 infidels to mask your suicide as it is allowed, no demanded in the Koran, and that is what Islam is all about. Anything else is PC whitewashing bull effluent.
Rezali Mehil says
Mr Zathras,
I fear *you* are missing the point ….the Koran does not demand taking 200 kuffar in a suicide ….
kuffar are people too…only misguided..tempted and corrupted through practices of the devil, (or the devil has whispered into your ear and you have listened) like greed, corruption and bankers stealing your money.
The Koran teaches one not to slip or drive into the “kuffar” lane …redemption does not lie with kuffar …only Allah SWT.
Like I said …he saved ground lives …when you find the black box, you will find that there was mechanical problems and in a way he will a bit of a hero taking the limping plane (probably as best as he could) away from kuffar and muslim alike.
I am very sad to the people who lost their lives and loved ones have a very very and lonely hard task ahead of them….my heart goes out to them…. so please don’t speculate yet.
If you are right I will apologies unreservedly …but for now …give the man a chance to settle in the afterlife…. you are preventing him from “moving on”.
More Later …
Rezali
Jan says
“In this context it is sad that the pilot and the woman have both been left stranded – but will probably be together in the afterlife … where he will wait for her.””
What, no tears or sadness for the 239 *passengers* ? But then, most of them were probably infidels, right, ‘rezali’ ?So it doesn’t matter a damn, about *them*, right, ‘rezali’ ?
Your nauseating and vapid ‘sadness’ doesn’t fool anyone, ‘rezali’.
More later, chumbawumba !
Rezali Mehil says
Hello Jan,
I have said already that the people who lost their lives and loved ones have a very very and lonely hard task ahead of them; my heart goes out to them, it really does.
What I am saying is that the pilot cannot be blamed…YET!
He could be at fault, but the evidence has not been gathered.
At this most traumatic time, thousands of relatives and friends are toxic with fear, loneliness, anger and shame…so I will desist from matching your petty name calling …there is a time and a place.
I thought you as a teacher with decades of experience would know and behave better?…but apparently not.
Oh well , lets wait for your zimmer frame…maybe you will have learnt by then.
More Later …..
Rezali
Jan says
Rezali, you really are a case !
Even when you’re trying to do your oily best to obfuscate, and trot out some inept ‘dawa’, you fail, and embarrass yourself .
“… thousands of relatives and friends are toxic with fear loneliness, anger and shame …”
Do explain why any of the relatives and friends of the passengers should feel ‘shame’.
Shame for what ?
‘Toxic’is a strange word to use also; in what sick, twisted sense do you consider the probable and natural emotions of these people to be poisonous ?
More later, chumbawumba !
bill says
I agree with a lot of what you say. However you should know that landing a large jet on the sea is a very hazardous manoevre and rarely succeeds even if the sea is flat calm, Hitting the water at speed is like hitting concrete, a wing only has to catch a wave and the plane cartwheels and disintegrates. Yes the Hudson River landing was successful but it was a river, also rescue boats were able to arrive very quickly before the plane sank.
Joel says
@ questions about your “views”
1. ( the plane) not serviced properly–but in a different JW post, when i asked (as I had thought) the Chinese were running economic ( and other) matters, it was pointed out, that in Malaysia, there was ( to use American English terms) a quota system. So, the servicing crew (for want of a better phrase) for a Muslim Government owned airline would be (logically, with a quota system) mostly (or entirely) Muslim. Therefore, this leads me (at least) that there is one of two possible responses.
A. the Muslim people were incompetent
or
B. the Muslim crew (all or a portion) wanted to kill the infidels.
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The other part– the phone call.
if his wife had left him, and this was his new (again, American English terminology) main squeeze, WHY BUY A PHONE, WITH PHONY ID., AND (FROM WHAT I GATHERED) (AGAIN, AMERICAN ENGLISH TERMINOLOGY AND SERVICES?0 SOME PREPAID MINUTES?
Why not her regular phone>? or buy a phone legitimately?
An inquiring mind would like to know.
gravenimage says
Rezali Mehil wrote:
The phone call before lift off was probably from the woman who loved him…(which clearly was not his wife…she had moved out) who had assured him that she will stand by him , she loved him and that she was waiting for him so that they can talk about their future. He was not a broken man, he was going to rebuild his future…have new kids you know.
………………………….
What a bizarre fantasy. There isn’t a shred of evidence for any of it.
More:
…give the man a chance to settle in the afterlife…. you are preventing him from “moving on”…
………………………….
What absolute rot. There is no tenet of Islam that says that a Muslim can be prevented from reaching paradise by the speculation of the “filthy Kuffar”.
What Rezali Mehil *really* wants here is to stop Infidels from daring to wonder if this was Jihad…
somehistory says
Not having read through all of the comments (due to pressing issues), someone may have mentioned this:
Recently, it was disclosed that there is a computer program that enables someone on the ground to control a large ship at sea or a plane in the air without the knowledge of the pilots.
The program makes it seem to the ship’s crew…the controls, dials, readings, all show the ship is staying on course…that the ship is where they expect it to be even if the one controlling it by means of computer is sending it in circles. The demonstration showed a large Navy ship off course without the knowledge of the Captain (they never said the Captain had agreed to the demonstration, but that is a possibility; his instruments showed he was moving in a straight path in a planned direction, but in actually, the ship was circling) and the information was provided that it would be possible to do the same with a large airplane.
Not saying that I am in disagreement with the article/investigator…how would I know better than he…just adding a point. It would still be terrorism if it happened by someone miles away on the ground controlling the aircraft. With or without the pilot’s knowledge.
Just wondering if this possibility has been discussed by the investigators.
Whatever the conclusions, the passengers were killed by an action that likely produced in them much terror. And terror to their families and friends.
Tom Davis says
This is very doubtful. Please cite your supporting references.
somehistory says
Sorry, Mr. Davis,
I did not write down the day, time and source of the information. I watch a lot of news stories, documentary programs, History Channel, Discovery, read a lot on the web, and get a lot of email from different sources that have information I feel I need. But since I am not writing a paper, book or article at this time, and I didn’t get it online, but from the television, I do not have the “source.”
The reporter was on board a Navy ship…I forget which one. He was in the control room with the Captain as the ship was sailing somewhere in an ocean, am not sure which ocean, but I think he said the Atlantic. I could be mistaken on this point as I recall the water was calm and the Atlantic in the North usually isn’t. It doesn’t matter anyway. It was a large U.S. Navy craft.
Another screen showed a man sitting at a computer with a *new* and expensive software program sending the ship in circles. Wide circles…the ship’s crew was not getting dizzy and ships that large need wide areas of turn, as you no doubt are aware.
The segment was about fifteen or twenty minutes long, I believe, although I could be wrong on that as I was also engaged in another activity and had just stopped to listen when the subject was announced, so I didn’t note the time of beginning nor end.
The Captain read his instruments and said something about the ship being on course. The guy with the computer showed the screen and the ship was not on course. It was explained that the computer guy was in control of the vessel and he could also use his program to control an aircraft. It was fully explained that the Captain or Pilot would not know they were off course until it was too late and they couldn’t change it anyway. Everything would appear to be normal.
All of those speaking on the program were saying how scary it was that this is possible. But, they also said that since the software is very expensive, the average guy/girl…terrorist…would not be able to just go right out and buy it.
In my several years now of studying terrorism…and one of my instructors is an *expert*…I have found that the possibilities are sometimes very frightening. Even if *very doubtful* as far as this recent account, disaster, incident, …whatever word applies to this awful happening…the guys on the program I was watching have not been challenged as to the truthfulness of their report. As far as I have heard or read, at any rate.
I should also mention that if terrorists can get their hands on a computer program of this sort, they could do untold damage and destroy countless lives. If the information hadn’t been given on television, if I alone and the person who created the program were the only ones who knew about it, I wouldn’t tell anyone else.
Again, I’m sorry I can’t provide you with my *source.* You are free to disbelieve it or to try to find the information elsewhere. I just wondered if anyone had thought the pilot of the aircraft missing so long now had not acted alone, with/without knowledge of help from someone with money and know-how.
Tom Davis says
OK, to give you credence, I’ll point out that the U.S. military does install such equipment on ships and aircraft that will be used as targets. You may have seen a show about this. I can tell you that nobody in the civilian world uses such equipment.
What people need to know is that such installations require special hardware as well. It is not a matter of “uploading” software only. Finally, such software requires special tailoring to the specific aircraft type. What you propose can’t be done unless a well educated and financed team devises the 777-specific software and tests it on a real 777 in flight, and then covertly installs the hardware on the Malaysian plane (which in the real world takes a week or two in a well equipped shop). Such an idea is out of the question for a terrorist group, and would require the collusion of hundreds of people at Malaysian Airlines.
People may be tempted to think that airlines should have such equipment, for use in cases such as the Helios Airways Flight 522. I can tell you that aviation industry is very reluctant to add any such capability for liability reasons. Years ago you may recall the United Airlines Flight 232 crash at Sioux City IA in 1989, when the heroic crew managed to bring the plane to the airport after steering by differential engine thrust following a complete hydraulics failure. Post-accident simulations showed that the flight controllers could be programmed to mimic what that crew did, and even do it better. The industry refused to add the logic to the controllers because they feared being sued if the new logic were flawed in some unknown way. So, there’s no way short of a government mandate that remote control functionality will be getting into any civil airliner.
Tom Davis says
Oh, and it should be mentioned that remote control equipment adds weight and thus costs to the aircraft. Airlines hate costs. The Malaysian Airlines disappearance has started a debate as to whether ADS-B should be modified to transmit more information and more frequently even if turned off by the pilots. The airlines are already resisting the idea. I have to mention that no one has stated whether IMMARSAT has the bandwidth through its satellites to support such an idea anyway.
somehistory says
So, maybe all of the *reasons* you give would tend to say that the investigators would auto rule against any such idea. It was just something I had wondered about. I did not make up any of what I said previously, and I have not heard any opposing reports, nor did the Captain say any of what you have said. He didn’t volunteer any info and only said the instruments indicated the ship was on course.
When the news was first broadcast that the plane had gone missing and the flight path was given, my mind went immediately to terrorism, esp on the part of the pilot or co.
That hasn’t changed in my mind. But after hearing all of the details about up and down and turning, etc., it just crossed my mind about the program I saw. (Studying to investigate has increased my natural curiosity. ) I don’t pretend to be an aircraft expert. I just watch, read, listen and think and sometimes, *wonder*…this time to the thread. And the recent information about all of the things the government can do…turn things on, listen and/or watch even when we turn them off, follow, track, etc., it is not a stretch to think that controlling a plane or ship from a distant location is possible…however unlikely. Some of the *states* are very rich and some are sponsors of terror.
Tom Davis says
Well yes, the facts of the flight indicate some sort of malfeasance, terrorism or suicide for some other reason. An airliner cannot suffer a failure that incapacitates the crew AND THEN loads an alternative flight plan into the flight controllers (remember, the controllers were programmed for a Beijing destination) which IN TURN begins with a commonly used routing BUT THEN ends hours later in a location outside of that common routing and in fact in the opposite direction. At least one pilot must have been responsible for the known chain of events. There is no equipment on board a 777 that allows for any other conclusion, whether pre-programmed by the ground crew or remotely in flight by agents unknown.
I understand why a documentary may have led you to the hypothesis you made. If you are interested in more info much is available on the Aviation Week & Space Technology web site, and all of the NTSB accident reports are online as well.
Skycaptain says
I sent this to several News sources on 03/11/2013
B777 Pilots Thoughts on MH370 Disappearance
I have some food for thought you may want to consider. I combined my
background in Law Enforcement and Aviation and came up with, I believe, a
plausible scenario.
Flt 370’s Captain Shah had several reasons to commit suicide. Consider that his estranged wife and children had left him the day before the flight. in Malaysian culture, this is an extreme embarrassment.
That same day his hero a political Muslim activist was sentenced to jail in a kangeroo court for homosexuality, which is ileagal in Malaysia. Combine all this with his passionate political activism and dislike of both Malaysia and China and you can see a very angry and depressed individual
Distraught, Captain Shah planned to end his life on his flight the next day.
Little known to the public, in the cockpit next to the captain’s seat is a very sharp fire ax.once safely in cruise, Captain Shah,programmed the turn into the flight computer. After the copilot’s hand-off with ATC he turned off the transponder and attacked the copilot with the fire ax. Though mortally wounded the younger copilot fought valiantly and wrestled the weapon away from captain. Captain Shah was severely wounded as well. It is well know in LEO circles that attacks with sharp weapons often injure the attacker as well as the victim if a strong defense is initiated.
During this life and death struggle the autopilot was knocked off precipitating the erratic climb to 45000 feet that caused the plane to stall and then plummet until it was recovered by the captain at 25000 feet.
Just so you know, the auto pilot can be knocked off in the B777 if enough force is used against the control yoke. It is designed for the pilot to take control if the autopilot becomes erratic or makes a improper control inputs. A violent struggle in the cockpit could definitely input extreme forces on the control yoke.
Captain Shah was now exhausted from the struggle,wounded,and was losing blood rapidly from his wounds. He probably lost consciousness within minutes and passed away sitting in his seat from a total blood loss.
The Captain had reengaged the autopilot manually immediately after the attack and before he passed out.. After he died of his blood loss the autopilot would continue to fly on the last heading it was engaged on until the fuel ran out and the engines quit. The autopilot would continue to try to maintain altitude and rapidly put the B777 into a deep stall that would lead to a death spiral down in the ocean. This descent would take several minutes but would end in a catastrophic crash, disintegrating the B777.
If you can call it good news, this crash would possibly leave some larger
debris than a controlled high speed dive I posited earlier. However since there was zero fuel left on board Flight 370 there would be no large oil slick.
As you can see my scenario is completely congruent with all the known flight
path data we possess at this time
Joel says
Still no resposnes to two different questions I had–one for anyone, one for Rezali.
1. Why would it have had to be the pilot who wanted to kill himself and everyone else? Why not the co-pilot? he was described as a ” religious” Muslim. Same scenarios- but the co-pilot as the bad guy.
Both, as being Muslims, in my view, no good. But-maybe the pilot was jsut an anal pore and a patsy.
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2. If there was a problem with the plane, the ground crew was (in Malaysia, as mentioned in responsce to a item I posted on JW on a different post– that there is a quota system-(I beleive other terms were used) as to the number of Muslims employed, etc. So, if there was a problem, that would mean that THE MUSLIM GROUND CREW was responsible. Could one or more of them been a fanatic and wanting to be a hero and get his 72 sheep –sorry, i mean virgins.
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2- Rezali saying the call from his new love. IF –A BIG IF FOR ME– THAT IS TRUE, WHY THE HELL THE CLOAK AND DAGGER WITH AN UNTRACEABLE CELL PHONE. ? Just, if there was nothing illegla, just a regular (legal) phone?
CaptainAmerica says
I believe in “Occams Razor”. The simplest explanation is probably the correct one. Check my previous posts. No conspiracy. Just a lone crazy committing a greivious crime.