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Muslims in Australia 10 times more likely to die waging jihad in Syria than serving in the military

Mar 18, 2014 12:03 pm By Robert Spencer

GaynorIn the Australian military, as in the American military, Islam is a protected topic. No one dares utter a critical word for fear of charges of “Islamophobia” and the attendant career ruin. The most shameful examples of this were the strongly favorable performance reviews given to the Fort Hood jihad mass murderer, Nidal Malik Hasan, even after it was abundantly clear that he was a jihadist and many of his colleagues were threatened by his behavior.

“Criticising Islam, gays sets army major up for a fall,” by Paul Sheehan for the Sydney Morning Herald, March 17:

Major Bernie Gaynor jnr has served three tours of duty in Iraq but he is going to be thrown out of the army this week, or next, or very soon. And he is not going quietly.

Last week, I attended a conference in Melbourne called the Symposium on Islam and Liberty in Australia, organised by the Q Society, and Gaynor was one of the speakers. I also interviewed him at length about why a patriotic, articulate Australian intelligence officer, now serving in the Army Reserve, has become an unbearable presence for the Chief of Army, among others.

In his blog, Gaynor describes himself as ”a conservative Catholic who writes what normal men dare not speak out loud”. I put it to him that his commentary online and on Twitter had evolved into a provocation to the army.

”Absolutely,” he replied.

Everyone listening to his speech in Melbourne quickly understood why, and I quote: ”It is my unpleasant duty to inform you that the Australian Defence Force has a fundamentally broken approach to religion, an approach shaped partly by the triumph of bureaucratic administration over battlefield considerations but mostly by plain old political correctness.

”Political correctness has cost lives on the battlefield and resulted in completely flawed campaign strategies … [The ADF] has spent the last decade at war with people who fight for their religious beliefs. And part of the problem that comes with fighting people who are motivated by religious belief is that you need to have soldiers equally motivated to oppose them.

”As a Catholic, I understand why people are motivated to do things based on religious belief, rather than what would seem to be rational on a purely secular level. As an intelligence officer, it is a valuable insight to have … but the ADF has a fundamentally flawed understanding of Islam.

”Just look at Iraq. I was one of the last Australians to serve there. All the politicians and military hierarchy were saying the withdrawal of Western military force was based on success. And yet al-Qaeda today controls more of Iraq than it ever did while Western forces were in the country, or while Saddam Hussein was in power.

”The Iraq war was a failure because no one can say why we were there, who the enemy was or what the mission was … This has cost lives and wasted a decade and a half of war. In a strategic sense, Iraq and Afghanistan are no better for the blood shed by Australian soldiers.

”In Afghanistan, the government has a constitution based on Islamic law and teaching, just as the Taliban’s regime was. So the efforts of the last decade to remove the threat in Afghanistan from Islamic groups has directly led to the creation of an Islamic state.”

If it were possible to be more provocative to progressive sensibilities, Gaynor found a way. He then turned to the Muslim community in Australia: ”The community’s participation rate in the ADF is low. There were 88 Muslims in uniform in mid-2013. That means that, while there is one Australian in uniform in every 400, there is only one Muslim in uniform for about every 6000 Muslims in this country.

”This is not because the Islamic community is peaceful. I think there are now nine Australian Muslims who have died in Syria. On a per capita basis, that is equivalent to the ADF losing over 400 soldiers in Afghanistan. So while the Islamic community is 15 times less likely to contribute to our nation’s defence, it is 10 times more likely to see its sons die on the battlefield … for a cause that hates Western life, history and culture.”…

Although internal investigations dismissed the complaints and charges against him, largely because he was expressing personal views while serving in the reserves, the army has moved, in the absence of his resignation, to terminate his commission.

”While I was having this battle,” Gaynor told me, ”Defence issued a policy that if any uniformed personnel participated in an event that vilified Islam they would be severely dealt with. We now have the absurd situation where the ADF protects the religious beliefs of Islam, while tolerating the vilification of Christianity, the religion that most soldiers identify with.”

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  1. mortimer says

    Mar 18, 2014 at 12:17 pm

    “ADF protects the religious beliefs of Islam, while tolerating the vilification of Christianity”

    Right…it’s illegal to criticize the doctrine of warfare and subjugation against the disbelievers.

  2. mortimer says

    Mar 18, 2014 at 12:22 pm

    This prohibition to criticize Islam is on one level reasonable when one needs allies…but it actually reveals how the Muslim allies are in TOTAL agreement with the doctrine of warfare against disbelievers, since it may not be discussed.

  3. voegelinian says

    Mar 18, 2014 at 12:46 pm

    “In the Australian military, as in the American military, Islam is a protected topic. No one dares utter a critical word for fear of charges of “Islamophobia” and the attendant career ruin. ”

    Must be those darned dastardly Leftists, or Socialists, or Gramscian Marxists, right? Can’t be any other explanation…

    • WVinMN says

      Mar 18, 2014 at 5:44 pm

      The following comment addresses the US military establishment, however, I’d bet a paycheck that my argument would accurately describe the situation going on in Australia.

      Given that the US armed forces, like every other govt. bureaucracy, is staffed and controlled by moderates AT BEST, than YES, those dastardly leftists (not unlike your pathetic, preening self) are at it again! Let me ask you this, you pretentious twit. WHO is the POTUS? You know, the COMMANDER AND CHIEF! WHO is our current Sec. of Defense? (And don’t give me the Republican bit. We are talking about IDEOLOGY not party affiliation.). WHO currently runs the CIA? WHO gets promoted to the level of general or admiral? Leftists and politically correct yes-men, THAT’S WHO!

      • gravenimage says

        Mar 20, 2014 at 8:43 pm

        All Voegelinian meant, WVinWN, is that the problem of such “politically correct” dhimmitude goes way beyond Marxcists and Socialists at this point, and can almost be said to be the main official default position in the West—certainly when it comes to the governmental and even the military.

  4. Liam1304 says

    Mar 18, 2014 at 2:23 pm

    It was a pleasure to rub shoulders with Paul Sheehan at the SION Conference. He’s a good bloke and a genuine journalist.

    What really struck me as almost farcical was that, of the 3 people given standing ovations during Sunday’s big day of presentations, it was Sheehan, the ONLY journalist who bothered to respond to the Q Society’s invitation who actually turned up and took an approach that all journalists are supposed to take – open & rigorous enquiry.

    I was glad to applaud him, but the symbolism was higly symbolic and deeply concerning.

  5. Liam1304 says

    Mar 18, 2014 at 2:24 pm

    Gee, highly symbolic symbolism… Pretty symbolic in a symbolic sense…

  6. dumbledoresarmy says

    Mar 18, 2014 at 5:03 pm

    Sheehan is the author of a book called “Girls Like You”, in which – among other things – he interviewed (sympathetically) some of the young women who were targeted for violent Muslim gang rapes in Sydney in the early 2000s.

    Sheehan is also the author of a rather useful little article about what *I* call Muslim suburban jihad, which you may read here, to get an idea of what point he had reached in his understanding by 2006.

    http://www.smh.com.au/news/paul-sheehan/ideals-become-casualties-of-war/2006/08/13/1155407666922.html

    Here’s the opening paragraph:

    “One of the edges of the global clash between Muslims and the rest is a bottle shop in a small and ratty shopping mall in western Sydney.

    “The owner of the bottle shop is suffering low-level but steady harassment from his neighbours, who want him gone.

    “He’s a Christian (later in the article, Sheehan notes that this Christian businessman is a *Lebanese* Christian – dda) who has been told repeatedly: “This is a Muslim area,” and he is selling alcohol, which is proscribed by Islam.

    “The one-hour parking zone outside the bottle shop is always occupied because local Muslims leave their cars there all day.

    “The owner has written to the local council to complain, and nothing has been done.

    “He does not want to be identified because he fears retribution. His reaction is sensible. {But the inaction of the local council is DEPLORABLE – dda).

    “A friend of mine, Jenny D, used to live in Lakemba. {Which is now perhaps the most heavily Islamified piece of territory anywhere in Australia, closely followed by another western Sydney suburb, Auburn – dda}

    ” She began receiving insults from people in the street, usually Muslim women wearing headscarves, and sometimes Muslim men. If she wore a short skirt, she could expect abuse or comment.

    “She left Lakemba.

    “Soon after, I moved to America, stayed away for 10 years, and thought nothing more of her story. But after I came back to Sydney I found Jenny’s experience had been part of a larger pattern…”.

    Sheehan, in that article, still uses the “minority of extremists” meme; nevertheless, the *facts* reported by him – the use of active harassment and blockbusting techniques by Muslims – common or garden Muslims – to drive out Infidels from territory the Muslims have infiltrated – stand, and speak for themselves.

    I suspect he’s gradually coming to see that the real ‘tiny minority’ among Muslims comprises those who do *not* behave like evil b*st*rds.

    The fact that he attended the Q Society conference and reported upon it as he did, is most heartening. I think that the conference may have pushed him further along the road to Full Awful Realization.

    Another Australian journalist who is worth watching is Peter Day (*not* to be confused with an English journalist by the same name), who has been writing a book about the Copts of Egypt. **He knows**. Here is one Angela Shanahan, writing in “The Australian” in 2011 and citing Mr Day’s work

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/fate-of-copts-ignored-by-the-secular-west/story-e6frg6zo-1226000017947

    Ms Shanahan herself does not do too bad a job, in her article. It’s a pity she did not bop along to the Q Conference, because one of the speakers there was a Copt. She, too, could have progressed rapidly along the learning curve she already appears to have embarked upon.

    • PJG says

      Mar 20, 2014 at 8:50 am

      Angela Shanahan, if I remember an article she wrote correctly, is a Christian Conservative who adores Muslims because of their ‘”family values” and thinks having such values means they can be allies against secularism. Her article was disgracefully obsequious to Muslims.
      She has a long way to go.

      • dumbledoresarmy says

        Mar 20, 2014 at 10:56 pm

        Well: at least Ms Shanahan *read* Mr Day’s work, and mentioned him by name in her article on the Copts. Day (alongside people like Mark Durie) contributed an article to David Claydon’s excellent anthology, “Islam, Human Rights and Public Policy”, and he’s pretty clued-up. By mentioning him in her article – and it was favourable mention – Ms Shanahan gave him some publicity – which is good.

        Question: shall you or I take the responsibility of sending Ms Shanahan copies of a/ Bat Yeor’s article on the Copts – “A Christian Minority: The Copts in Egypt”, and b/ Mark Durie’s two articles on the Copts? (including the one that has, embedded within it, a major dossier on Muslim kidnapping and forced “conversion” of Coptic girls)?

        We could throw in, for good measure, the massive report that Gavin Boby’s people have just brought out, on sexual exploitation of non-Muslim girls by Muslim pedophile pimping gangs in the UK.

        And then there’s a recent report that I can find at the “British Pakistani Christian Website”, that details – relentlessly – the systemic and ferocious barrage of Abuse directed by majority Muslims against non-Muslim minorities and other-sect Muslims in Sunni Muslim-dominated Pakistan.

        We could start with the stuff on the Copts, then hit Ms Shanahan with the other stuff a bit later on. Shock treatment. It’s worth a try.

        If she’s Catholic, does she know about Asia Bibi? If she does, but has forgotten, maybe she needs reminding…lots of reminding. Shall we try reminding her?

        PS – Speaking of Aussie reporters, I keep wondering what has happened to Stephen Crittenden, who used to do the “Religion Report”.

        On that show, he did an excellent interview with Ibn Warraq, years ago, in which they discussed the Apostasy Law of Islam, and another one with the director of “Undercover Mosque” (in which he raised, on air, the subject of Taqiyya, Islamic deception and twofacedness).

        And way back when Mr Spencer published “The Truth About Muhammad”, Mr Crittenden wrote, for the SMH, a review which compared it to two other whitewashing/ apologetic studies of mohammed that had come out at about the same time. He gave Mr Spencer’s book a thumbs-up for accuracy and scholarship, and he gave the other two books a thorough bagging.

        And now he seems to have just…**disappeared**.

    • gravenimage says

      Mar 20, 2014 at 8:48 pm

      DDA and PJG, thanks for the additional information on media coverage of the Jihad Downunder.

  7. Kepha says

    Mar 18, 2014 at 5:46 pm

    My hat is off to Maj. Gaynor, and I hope against hope that he succeeds in turning the wussification of the Australian military around–and may one of his American conterparts, for the sake not only of the USA but for world peace and security in general, fight a similar battle over here and win.

    As many of you know, I do not condemn all Muslims willy-nilly, much as I think that the radicals are a serious threat, and the issues with Islamic theology need to be taken seriously. I’ve known too many who have served the USA well.

    But I wholeheartedly agree that PeeCeeEmCee is a curse on our country and, as practiced now, a recipe for national suicide. It’s why I’ve said that should Europe be Islamified (God forbid) and the refugees reach American shores, I’d prefer that our American government at that point would have the good sense to screen out the homosexuals and feminists and make them swim home. Better yet, for the here and now, I’d like to have some of the honorable ladies in high places who got our military to back off from its traditional testosterone-driven way of doing things to go for basic training–hopefully with the US Marines.

    I have heard ex-Navy people gripe about how, during Gulf War I, US ships were chronically understaffed because the female personnel were always getting pregnant. That strikes this strictly armchair strategist as serious, considering the pressures of keeping a warship going in battle conditions.

    We already see the barely weaned cocker spaniel puppies Obama, Rodham Clinton, and Kerry up against fully-grown Siberian wolves named Putin and Lavrov. God save us if our military comes to reflect our current political leaders.

    • gravenimage says

      Mar 20, 2014 at 8:57 pm

      Kepha, you think most Muslims have nothing to do with Islamization, but you would throw homosexuals and feminists to the wolves? And you appear to believe that Muslims in the military—remember Major Malik Nidal Hasan?—are not a problem, but that women are? These seem like odd priorities for an anti-Jihadist.

  8. dumbledoresarmy says

    Mar 18, 2014 at 9:47 pm

    From the article –
    ‘He then turned to the Muslim community in Australia: **”The community’s participation rate in the ADF is low. There were 88 Muslims in uniform in mid-2013. That means that, while there is one Australian in uniform in every 400, there is only one Muslim in uniform for about every 6000 Muslims in this country.**{my emphasis – dda}”.

    Soooo – there are *only* 88 Muslims in the whole of the Australian Defence Force, in mid-2013? And this means that while one out of every 400 Aussies volunteers for the army, *only* one out of every 6000 Muslims volunteers?

    EXCELLENT!

    That’s a load off my mind, to know that although we have some 500 000 Muslims in Australia, there are *only* 88 of them in our Army.

    That’s still 88 too many…but still, 88 is a manageable number, and with any luck, they’ll all decide they don’t like it, and leave, and maybe even pzz off to Syria and get killed, like this bloke:

    http://www.news.com.au/national/australian-infantry-soldier-caner-temel-22-killed-while-fighting-in-syria-with-rebels/story-fncynjr2-1226858466262

    “…The young sapper joined the Australian Defence Force in February 2009.
    “He had received basic training but, contrary to reports last night, had gained no specialised skills that would have benefited him in combat in Syria.
    “He spent one and a half years in the army before going AWOL from his Brisbane barracks in late 2010.
    “Mr Temel was unable to be located by the ADF. As is normal practice with soldiers who go AWOL, he was discharged after 28 days and ceased to be a serving soldier…”.

    Good riddance. We’re well rid of him; and **he won’t be coming back because he’s dead**.

    Memo to the Australian Defence Force: please, please, please…remember Fort Hood and *do not even ATTEMPT* to encourage Muslims to join our Army. The fewer Muslims we have in the army, the better. It would be even better if we had *none*.

    And the same goes for the Police force. The fewer Muslims are in our police force, the happier I will be – and the *safer* I will feel.

  9. dumbledoresarmy says

    Mar 18, 2014 at 9:54 pm

    What one of our few Islamosavvy politicians, Fred Nile, in the NSW Parliament, had to say about Muslims in the military, just after the jihad ghazi mass-murder at Fort Hood.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/11/09/2737866.htm?section=justin

    Muslims in ranks a recipe for disaster: Nile

    Christian Democrat MP Fred Nile has warned of the risks of allowing Muslims to serve in Australia’s armed forces.

    • voegelinian says

      Mar 19, 2014 at 5:51 am

      “There is an argument for suggesting that the safety and morale of our troops may warrant a ban on dedicated Muslims joining the armed forces, who may be influenced by Islamic fundamentalism.”

      So non-dedicated Muslims, who may not be influenced by Islamic fundamentalism, would be okay.

      Baby steps on the way to Rome burning. If I can see this, why can’t the rest see this?

      • voegelinian says

        Mar 19, 2014 at 5:54 am

        It’s fucking insanity — all the worse because dumbledores is going to chide me rather than the real problem.

        • dumbledoresarmy says

          Mar 19, 2014 at 7:13 pm

          I wasn’t necessarily implying that Mr Nile “got” the whole problem.

          But he said, publicly, a damn sight more – at that time, straight after Fort Hood went down – than, to my knowledge, *any* other Western or non-western Infidel politician said *anywhere*.

          And I thought that that was worth remarking upon.

        • gravenimage says

          Mar 20, 2014 at 9:27 pm

          I take your point, Voegelinian—but how many in these dark days are as savvy and are doing as much as MP Fred Nile?

          Figures like Fred Nile, US Congressman Peter King, and even figures like Geert Wilders and Ayaan Hirsi Ali may have blind spots or may fall short of a complete understanding of the Jihad threat, but if one were to therefore regard them as being no better than Cameron, or Obama, or Governors Chris Christie and Rick Perry, that would be a form of insanity, as well.

  10. fair_dinkum says

    Mar 19, 2014 at 1:50 am

    a proud tradition of a thoroughly professional army (and all our forces) being eroded. but i think this man will be appearing more and more in our media. hes principled and honourable. and he knows the truth, after 3 tours of iraq.

    lets hope he causes an enormous stir.

    • dumbledoresarmy says

      Mar 19, 2014 at 5:07 am

      One of our current Federal politicians is MP Luke Simpkins, representing a West Australian seat.

      He’s ex-army.

      And he knows *something* about Islam. When Barnabas Fund organised a petition (basically a consciousness-raising effort) to do with the Apostasy Law of Islam, Luke Simpkins agreed to present it, and made an *excellent* speech that showed he fully understood the subject.

      Keep an eye on him.

      West Australian jihadwatchers in particular should seek to support, encourage and further educate him. Invite him to Q Society events.

      Another WA federal politician who might bear watching is our first indigenous (that is, Aboriginal) House of Reps parliamentarian, Ken Wyatt. I happen to know that he attended a pro-Israel function. *Anyone* who is pro-Israel is potentially educable re Jihad. So I say to WEst Australian jihadwatchers: check him out, see if he’s maintaining this pro-Israel attitude, and make sure he knows what he *needs* to know in order to be *intelligently and constructively* pro-Israel. In other words: make sure he knows that the war waged upon Israel by the Arab and other Muslims, is a Jihad.

      • gravenimage says

        Mar 20, 2014 at 9:33 pm

        I’m glad to hear that there are at least a few pols in Australia who are beginning to see that there is something, at least, disturbing about Islam—and that some of them are willing to say so in public.

        I believe this is a double-pronged issue—those who allow themselves to see that there is a problem with Islam, and then those willing to go on the record about it in such a P/C environment.

  11. FatherJon says

    Mar 19, 2014 at 5:47 am

    There’s one less Muslim soldier in the Australian Defence Force. He was killed in Syria, the 10th ‘Australian’ to die there. Ironically he was killed in a battle between anti-Assadist elements. I wonder if that still makes him a martyr, and does he get 72 virgins in Paradise?

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/australian-infantry-soldier-caner-temel-22-killed-while-fighting-in-syria-with-rebels/story-fni0xqrc-1226858466262?sv=517c25cb48f1b2c68b299c0d1b54df6c

  12. Champ ✿ says

    Mar 20, 2014 at 4:56 pm

    testing

  13. Kasey says

    Apr 3, 2014 at 8:23 am

    And just how many jihadists, has or are currently getting training by the ADF. Even if one of them takes an oath of loyalty, it will always be over-ridden by loyalty to Islam, if or when any such need arises in his/her opinion. Syria is a magnet to all Sunnis who are against shi’ites, Alaowites, Chrisytians and Druzs over there and the stupid Americans are supporting the rebel Sunnis et al, just because the Russians are supporting the government, bad as it may be, but the alternative side is far worse.

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