A monster who throws acid on someone’s face is not worthy of any leniency in punishment. It is worth noting, however, that in this sentence Iran is simply following the Qur’an, which stipulates: “And We ordained for them therein a life for a life, an eye for an eye, a nose for a nose, an ear for an ear, a tooth for a tooth, and for wounds is legal retribution. But whoever gives [up his right as] charity, it is an expiation for him. And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed – then it is those who are the wrongdoers.” (5:45) This kind of punishment is thus in accord with Sharia — it isn’t just the mad mullahs being mad.
“Iran orders man’s eyes to be gouged out after acid attack,” by Bob Fredericks for the New York Post, March 3 (thanks to The Religion of Peace):
The mad mullahs of Iran have ruled that a man who poured acid on a young girl’s face should be punished by having his eyes gouged out and his nose and right ear chopped off, according to an Iranian opposition group.
The sadistic attacker, identified only as Jamshid, was convicted last October by the clerical regime’s highest court of deliberately pouring acid on the face of a girl named Shirin, causing her to lose her own right ear and eyesight, according to the National Council of Resistance to Iran.
The Muslim theocracy’s top judges routinely order grisly punishments, including stonings and mutilation, arguing that it is justified under Islamic laws.
Another inmate was recently sentenced to have one foot and one hand cut off, the group said, sparking an outcry from international human rights groups.The harsh punishments — including public executions — have continued even though moderate cleric Hassan Rouhani was elected president last August.
Buraq says
It’s no wonder a cruel and unusual religion should command cruel and unusual punishments.
Clowns!
Salah says
“Another inmate was recently sentenced to have one foot and one hand cut off”
That’s how they do it… (graphic)
http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2010/05/islamic-amputations.html
mortimer says
And none of this may be debated in a legislature or legally opposed because it is ALLAH’S WILL and ipso facto ‘perfect’.
The ayatollahs decide what is ‘perfect’, so the legislators can take a long lunch.
Democracy is unnecessary in Islam. It’s likely the mullahs will steal more power from the Iranian legislators if they can.
The mullahs have highjacked the government and they run it as a criminal conspiracy…as the Hitlerites did.
Tony Benjamin says
Maybe there is something wrong with me, but I have no problem with the punishment that is going to be handed out to this animal. I wish, along with that punishment, he had to pay financial restitution to his victim for the rest of his life.
While I don’t neccessarily believe in the “eye for an eye” philosophy, I do believe in real punishment for heinous crimes. Ideally, the victim here should be allowed to decide on the punishment – up to and including death – as her life is now ruined.
Francis King says
“Maybe there is something wrong with me…”
Yes, there is. Calling a human being an animal is lazy and an incitement against that person.
“I do believe in real punishment for heinous crimes.”
What is being proposed is pure savagery. It is not a ‘real punishment’.
The Qur’an (5:45) references the Torah (Ex 21:24). The Talmud has a long and intricate discussion of this matter, and many others in the Qur’an. You may also wish to consider the Prophet Jesus’ teachings in the gospels.
If we were interested in doing the right thing, it would make more sense to fix the lady’s blindness and disfigurement. Yes?
Tony Benjamin says
Francis,
If someone acts in an animalistic fashion, then labeling him/her as such is not out of line. Mind you this gives animals a bad name – might as well just call them evil.
Atleast the punishment is not a slap on the wrist. I agree that the person should be allowed to choose death over this though.
I agree that it would be nice to be able to fix this ladys disfigurement. Unfortunately she would need 2 eye transplants and a lot of plastic surgery. So a lifetime on drugs and a lot of pain – she will never be the same again. Better that we provide a deterant to this kind of behaviour so it doesn’t happen in the first place?
gravenimage says
Tony Benjamin wrote:
Better that we provide a deterant to this kind of behaviour so it doesn’t happen in the first place?
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Do you *honestly* believe that a place with oppressive “Hudud” laws that *stones women to death* is primarily concerned with preventing violence against women?
Iran is here meeting savagery with savagery—this does not meant hey oppose savagery.
Paddy says
Francis you are correct, humans are not animals, they are classified as mammals , they reproduce more humans in same way as animals, or mammals, I.e sperm and egg
Joel Kling says
BOB:
I agree with the mad mullahs in this case. Throwing acid on an innocent girls face in inhuman, and attempted murder. However, the attacker should be offered to be executed instead of having his eyed gauged out. I think its a deterrent to anyone considering doing a similar act.
mortimer says
Sharia is not based on human reason (such as yours), but on the SOLE WILL OF ALLAH (which is inscrutable to human reason).
A Muslim judge applies Allah’s legislation even if it is contradicts mercy and human logic.
A Muslim judge applies ‘mercy’ only if it increases the supremacism of Islamic theocracy and the subjugation of minorities.
mortimer says
‘Moderate’ Islam seems to be identical to Sharia law in the minds of 65% of Muslims worldwide.
Sharia law is what Western journalists call ‘extremism’. These non-Muslims Western journalists believe they know Islam better than the one million mullahs and 65% of Muslims.
These Western journalists (who have never read a manual of Sharia law) CLAIM to know more about Islam than Islamic judges (who consecrate their lives to studying Sharia) .
I conclude these Western journalists are spouting rubbish and their editors are rubberstamping rubbish. That’s called ‘inaccurate’.
Salah says
“I conclude these Western journalists are spouting rubbish and their editors are rubberstamping rubbish. That’s called ‘inaccurate’.”
That’s called ‘Sleeping with the enemy’ i.e High Treason!
voegelinian says
And yet the seemingly passive co-dependent enablement of Islam by millions of Muslims is forgiven and forgotten by Salah. Double standards.
Salah says
Those millions of Muslims are living in captivity, they’re ignorant and they’re scared. Western journalists are not, they are indeed sleeping with the enemy.
gravenimage says
Salah wrote:
Those millions of Muslims are living in captivity, they’re ignorant and they’re scared. Western journalists are not, they are indeed sleeping with the enemy.
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Salah, you are claiming the Muslims (supposedly) enabling Islam through ignorance or fear are to be completely exonerated, but that Western journalists who believe the Taqiyya are to be regarded as traitors?
Pretty selective, indeed…
There are a few journalists, I believe, who fully recognize the evil of Islam but who, through “political correctness” and fear of being considered an “Islamophobe”, keep silent.
But far more of them simply believe the Taqiyya and the mantra that Islam is a “religion of peace”.
*Of course* we should expect more from our journalists—and our “leaders”—but we should also expect more from any morally decent Muslims, who know what their vicious coreligionists do in the name of their creed, but will not criticize Islam in any way.
Salah says
You’re right, Muslims should do more, much more, especially those who live in the West. But as I said, Muslims live in fear, they fear for their lives, and that is pretty scary.
As for Western journalists, well, their main job is to do more researches and find the truth. They’re are not allowed to fall in this taqiyya trap, this trap is reserved for the ordinary citizen, you know, the gullible ones, not for an intellectual journalist.
gravenimage says
Salah, you and I may well feel that Western journalists are “not allowed” to fall for Taqiyya—I agree that it is both biased and indicative of terribly shoddy standards—but that doesn’t mean that Western journalists are not falling for it every day.
Indeed, it is so common that it is virtually the norm.
Paddy says
We’ll said Salah, I’d advise all civilized people who are victims of spineless Western PC cowdards to go go to youtube and key in the name of that late great writer “Christopher hitchins” and hear ,read his warnings to the world of the cancer of Islam in our time.
Walter Sieruk says
The cruel Islamic tyranny of this regime in Iran of Rouhani, Ayatollah Khamenei, and the mullahs treat the Iranian people in that country in very harsh and hideous ways. This such as terrible and evil thing as this the Bible explains “If you see… justice and rights denied do not be surprised at such things.” Ecclesiastes 4:2. Likewise. in the same Bible book in 5:8 it further explains about “the tears of the oppressed…” Also, Proverbs 15:15 teaches that “All the days of the oppressed are wretched…” Furthermore, Proverbs 28:15. may apply to either president Rouhani or Ayatollah Khamenei which reads “Like a roaring lion or a charging bear is a wicked man ruling over a helpless people.” In short, the ruthless dictatorship of these two characters as well as the mullahs who have much power in Iran in the way they all treat the Iranian people may best be summed up in Proverbs 29:2. which teaches “When the wicked rule, the people groan.” [N.I.V.]
Defcon 4 says
Gee, I can only imagine the kind of trial the alleged perpetrator had in islam0nazi Iran. I’ll bet fair and impartial have nothing to do w/islam0nazi jurisprudence. Of course, there’s the added bonus that there isn’t any appeals process either — especially after having your eyes gouged out. In short, who knows if the alleged perpetrator is really guilty at all?
Walter Sieruk says
The malicious and vicious way those Islamic dictators of Iran, being Rouhani, Ayatollah Khameni and the mullahs, in the ways they so very much mistreat the people of Iran with heartless and brutal oppression of the people. These ruling Islamic clerics may be very well describes in the Bible in Psalm 73:6-9. Which reads “Therefore pride is their necklace; they clothe themselves with violence. From their callous hearts comes iniquity: the evil conceits of their minds know no limits. They scoff and speak with malice; in their arrogance they threaten oppression. Their months lay claim to heaven, and their tongues take possession of the earth.” [N.I.V.]
Savvy Kafir says
This sort of barbarism could ONLY exist, in the 21st Century, in the Muslim world. Why is not every “moderate” Muslim in the West embarrassed by this, and speaking out against it?
John Ryan says
Hmmm…..nah, I’m actually okay with this.
Defcon 4 says
I’ll bet you wouldn’t if you had been the accused. How would like to be on trial in any islam0nazi state for anything?
Daniel Levenson says
Justice under sharia law in modern times
Chuck says
Perfect justice, in my opinion, would act like a boomerang, returning the exact crime to the person who committed it. There are practical considerations, to be sure, when human beings try to carry out this kind of justice, such as the necessity for certainty that the person receiving the punishment actually committed the crime.
If there were a god, and if it were in fact a just god, this boomerang punishment would happen automatically, without human intervention. Crime, other than by masochists, would come to a screeching halt.
In short, if the man who carried out the acid attack was indeed the guilty party, he got what he deserved. The additional punishment of chopping off his nose should be considered “court costs.” And, no, I’m not advocating we adopt this system – I actually prefer capital punishment for this, but to any just god who might be listening, I suggest you take some time off from afflicting the innocent with disease and natural disasters and promptly implement the boomerang plan.
Roger cole says
At last I can agree with something the mullahs have done, in this case the punishment fits the crime, well done! Now dismantle those centrifuges.
gravenimage says
I am actually stunned at how many otherwise intelligent people are applauding brutal Shari’ah law here.
How many actually believe that justice is often served under Shari’ah? That courts with no rules of evidence even often prosecute the actual perpetrator? That the purpose of Islamic law is to protect women?
If anyone here believes this, then I’m sure they will be perfectly happy living under Shari’ah law…
Chuck says
gravenimage, don’t jump to conclusions! Being glad that a really bad guy got what he deserved (assuming he actually did the crime) is not the same as approving of Sharia, its court system, or anything else Islamic.
gravenimage says
Chuck, I’m quite sure that there were a few murderers and other nasty characters prosecuted under Nazi Germany; my abhorrence for murder does not lead me to laud Fascism, even in passing.
This horrific crime is completely illegal in the West—and moreover, the civilized West does not have laws and mores, as Islam does, that lead to such terrible crimes against women in the first place.
Chuck says
Who lauded Islam? If a murderer, say, died 10 minutes after his crime by running his car into a tree after sliding off an icy road, should I be accused of being in favor of icy roads if I cheered his death? I repeat, the point here is that the acid attacker got what he deserved.
Rarely in this world does justice prevail, but when it does it’s a good thing. Occasionally it comes about through accidental means, as in my illustration, and sometimes by the hands of those who are themselves evil. One can celebrate the all too rare instance of justice without celebrating the means by which it came.
I agree with your assessment of Islam. I just don’t think one should so hastily make judgments about the implications of brief off-hand comments.
Jan says
”I am actually stunned at how many otherwise intelligent people are applauding brutal Shari’ah law here.”
Me too.
However, I believe this attitude is a by product of the anger and frustration decent people feel, at the revoltingly mild and disproportionately lenient sentences handed down by judges in various high profile cases.
One’s sense of justice gags at the mohammedan who ran down a little girl in his car, murdering her, getting six months in jail, whilst a soldier who shot a **Taliban** terrorist gets life imprisonment.
This is not to say I approve of vile sharia punishments. But I do understand the rage and impotence people feel when such miscarriages of justice are shoved under their noses.
The idea that there, is, somewhere, a system of justice that will give evil people exactly what they deserve, is very compelling.
Of course, sharia is not a system of **justice**. It is a system whereby anyone can accuse someone else of unislamic behaviour, and where there is no redress or defence for the accused.
Change Iran Now says
Iran has a long and notorious history for the torture and severe treatment of its political prisoners and dissenters. It’s an unfortunate aspect of the rule under Iran’s mullahs who like any other tyrant are more concerned with preserving their power and hold over the people than in governing and leading them into a better future. Khamenei and his handpicked president Rouhani are going to chart a course for Iran that leaves little doubt over the fate of Christians, converts, political opponents, ethnic minorities and all others who are not in lock step with their Islamic view of the world. For all of the attempts at portraying a new moderate face of Iran, Rouhani is a loyal career hardliner. You can see his resume at http://www.hassan-rouhani.info. The only real hope for Iran’s future and political prisoners is regime change.
Curious Mind says
Geeez – interesting. Right ouf of the Torah “An eye for an eye”. As I always say the nutty Jewish extremists and the nutty Islamic extremists are in reality brothers!
The Torah sentences death by stoning for the following:
• Touching Mount Sinai while God was giving Moses the Ten Commandments (Exodus 19:13) … this might be a bit outdated – for all I know …
But these can still apply today:
• An ox that gores someone to death should be stoned (Exodus 21:28)
• Breaking Sabbath (Numbers 15:32-36)
• An engaged virgin and the man who lies with her, together, since she did not cry out (Deuteronomy 22:24)
• Giving one’s “seed” (presumably one’s offspring) “to Molech” (Leviticus 20:2-5)
• Having a “familiar spirit” (or being a necromancer) or being a “wizard” (Lev. 20:27)
• Cursing God (Lev. 24:10-16)
• Engaging in idolatry (Deuteronomy 17:2-7) or seducing others to do so (Deut. 13:7-12)
• “Rebellion” against parents (Deut. 21,18-21)
• Getting married as though a virgin, when not a virgin (Deut. 22:13-21)
• Sexual intercourse between a man and a woman engaged to another man (both should be stoned, Deut. 22:23-24)
The Mishna gives the following list of persons who should be stoned.[2][3]
“To the following sinners stoning applies – אלו הן הנסקלין
• one who has had relations with his mother – הבא על האם
• with his father’s wife – ועל אשת האב
• with his daughter-in-law – ועל הכלה
• a human male with a human male – ועל הזכור
• or with cattle – ועל הבהמה
• and the same is the case with a woman who uncovers herself before cattle – והאשה המביאה את הבהמה
• with a blasphemer – והמגדף
• an idolater – והעובד עבודת כוכבים
• he who sacrifices one of his children to Molech – והנותן מזרעו למולך
• one that occupies himself with familiar spirits – ובעל אוב
• a wizard – וידעוני
• one who violates Sabbath – והמחלל את השבת
• one who curses his father or mother – והמקלל אביו ואמו
• one who has assaulted a betrothed damsel – והבא על נערה המאורסה
• a seducer who has seduced men to worship idols – והמסית
• and the one who misleads a whole town – והמדיח
• a witch (male or female) – והמכשף
• a stubborn and rebellious son – ובן סורר ומורה”
(Source Wikipedia)
If these laws were still applied today … there wouldn’t be many of you “righteous” people left – LOL!
“Judging a religion on the basis of a few is like eating a rotten fruit and blaming the whole tree.” This goes for all religions but especially for Judaism and Islam!
Or did it ever occur to you, dear commenters, to blame the whole of Judaism for the wrong doings of the “Modesty Patrol” in Jerusalem who harrass and beat us women if we don’t dress modestly? Or who shush us in the back of the segregated buses? … Or …
Get over your hate of other religions and get a life! It’s nice out there once you leave your blind hatred behind you.
marclouis says
Lol, the thing is, all corporal punishment was abandoned about 2000 years ago, we’ve been interpreting Torah for a long time.
I know it’s a bit lame to use wiki, but I think this is well put together.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_and_corporal_punishment_in_Judaism
It’s still a very popular discussion in Torah classes, the “what if” scenarios make for very lively discussion.
Say, would I be condemned to death if someone pushed me against mount Sinai and I touched it then?
Curious Mind says
To Marclouis – “Say, would I be condemned to death if someone pushed me against mount Sinai and I touched it then?”
LOL – My best guess is only if G-d is in the process of giving new commandments to Moses (see Exodus 19:13)!
I just think it is silly that sane people go after a whole tree (see my comment above) because of a few rotten fruits. And as I said – this applies to all religions and ideologies.
We people should/must learn to think ourselves again rather than having others do the thinking for us and shove their hate and ulterior agendas down our throats.
I keep reading such threads and comments (about Judaism and Islam) and it truly scares me how easy gullible people can be lead … on both sides of the unnecessary divide.
The haters on both sides should maybe take a break from such forums and go back to study their holy books … and maybe for a change try to really understand the messages in there.
marclouis says
I think the comparison is unfair, Jews have an ability to interpret and debate Torah, muslims to not have that ability which is why they are still stuck on stupid and the world is paying a very high price for it. any attempt at reforming islam is met by extreme violence. What we call orthodox Jews today is the product of the last major reformation of Chasidism.
Curious Mind says
No – my comparison is very fair and you know it. You display quite an arrogance by stating that 14 Million people have the ability to interpret and debate while you deny 2 Billion people the very same ability. Unless naturally … if you know these 2 Billion and the 14 Million personally and can assess one by one their abilities …
You perfectly fit the description above: you go after a whole tree (see my comment above) because of a few rotten fruits.
Now if anyone would do this regarding Judaism everyone would cry foul and demand differentiation rather than generalization, shout anti-Semitism and Jew-hater and what have you. But if it concerns others and specially Islam then we’re allowed to do and say whatever.
Why is it that most human beings always have to put others down … hoping that in doing so … they elevate themselves? Why is it that they don’t understand that in disrespecting themselves they only lower themselves even further?
No, not my cup of tea! This is NOT what my book teaches me.
Mr. Dude says
If “god” said “an eye for an eye” (regardless of if it was overturned later), “god” was WRONG AND SAVAGE, period. So before blaming Islam (Islam is also savage!), to not be hypocrites, say that “god” was wrong and savage. If he was wrong, then of course he can’t be all-knowing.
dumbledoresarmy says
I observe that the moral equivalencers came out in force in this thread.
They were either fools, or mohammedans in masks.