Clearly this is not just the average day’s lobbing of a few rockets into Israel. Clearly this is war. This is intifada. This is jihad. The jihadists probably calculate that with Obama pressuring Israel to surrender to the “Palestinian” jihadis, now is the opportune time to strike.
“Salvo of rockets from Gaza strike southern Israel,” from Al Arabiya, March 12:
Palestinian militants in the Gaza Strip fired at least 130 rockets into southern Israel, the Israeli military said. No immediate casualties were reported.
Israel’s advanced “Iron Dome” defense system intercepted at least three of the rockets, while the others fell in open areas, the military said earlier.
Wednesday’s barrage set off air-raid sirens in border communities of southern Israel.
In Gaza, the Islamic Jihad militant group claimed responsibility. It says it fired 20 rockets to avenge the deaths of three members killed in an Israeli airstrike.
An Associated Press reporter standing on a balcony saw more than a dozen rockets being fired from the southern outskirts of Gaza City.
Rocket fire from Gaza has declined since an eight-day Israeli offensive against militants in 2012.

Mr. Dude says
Thanks be to Robert for giving us ammunition to help win this war.
To win this war it’s important to show that we are more moral than Islam, or else we are just like, say, Nazis hypocritically pointing out that Mohammad said to hate Jews!
So here’s a moral question for you:
“If your children turn out to eventually be gay, would you kill them as the Bible/Islamic texts imply, or are the Bible/Islamic texts wrong? Which is it?”
Dawkins says: those texts are simply wrong and immoral!
Muslims say: I won’t answer that question.
You say:___________??
Please fill in the blank.
This is a good opportunity for Christians/Atheists/Jews to differentiate themselves from Muslims.
Salah says
Every sinner deserves to die including you and me, including the man jamming his erect penis into the feces-laden descending colon of another man, and then using the descending colon as the point of masturbatory friction.
Christ has paid for our sins. Whether you accept his sacrifice or not is up to you.
Mr. Dude says
You didn’t answer the question: would you kill your own child, or is the Bible wrong? Which is it?
Muslims refuse to answer the question, and this is a good example for people to show a better way than Islam….potentially.
Salah says
Here’s your answer, from the mouth of the King of Kings:
“Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her.” John 8:7
SCREW SOCIALISM says
Gays are routinely executed in Fascist Iran.
Yet the left defends fascist Iran.
Strange.
m says
For one thing, Jesus accepted slavery, so no, he’s not moral enough to by my “savior”. I expect more from an allegedly all-powerful, all-loving, all-seeing man in the sky.
Mr. Dude says
Sorry, that name was mis-typed as “m”, and not as “Mr. Dude”.
vickie says
A few tings to consider-
Exodus 21:16 And he that stealeth a man, and selleth him, or if he be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death.
The Greek word for slave is the same word for servant in the New Testament.
Did you know that in the time of Jesus a way for people to repay a debt was to indenture themselves- enslave themselves? Jews who held these slaves wee suppposed to let them free after so many years. Many did not obey the commands of GOD on this issue. This is completely different then the slavery we often think of – chattel slavery.
A must read compares Muslim slavery and American slavery-
http://www.frontline.org.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=824:the-scourge-of-slavery-the-rest-of-the-story&catid=27:islam-cat&Itemid=196
Defcon 4 says
I haven’t noticed you condemning the legalized islam0nazi slavery that goes on in Mauritania and the Sudan in the 21st century. Therefore you must support it.
thomas_h says
For Goodness sake guys why do you go on discussing earnest and subtle matters with a certified idiot?! What do you want to accomplish?
A fool can spew a hundred time more idiocies in one hour than a sage can refute in a year. And here, dear ladies and gentlemen, we are facing a mega-fool, Mr.Dude – a certified cretin, while none of us is a sage!
Come on, an idiot is an idiot is an idiot!
If you feel like doing Christian apologetic it is, of course, fine. But you surely must be able to find a more intelligent interlocutor! Someone who, by the very action of engaging your argument and pressing his own, would make you test, reassess and refine your own understanding – even if you won’t be able to sway him your way. You benefit whether you succeed convincing him or not.
I understand that it is sometimes hard to resist to comment on a gibberish when it also happens to be comical. Of course, have fun with the little ninny, mock, deride, scoff pull his leg, by all means. But you are actually TALKING TO HIM as if he were anything, but a sub-intellectual, slow-witted ox!
I think R. Spencer should make a new law.
Anyone who engages an idiot more than three times for a purpose other than ridiculing the idiot should get suspended. How do we decide who is an idiot? Well, it would take for someone to submit a motion the rest of us would vote on. If more than 10 agree that a poster is an idiot than he automatically is considered one by the rest. How about that guys?
Remember that arguing with an idiot is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter how good you are the pigeon is going to shit on the board and strut around as if it won anyway.
voegelinian says
thomas_h,
Your proposal sounds good to me; it’s certainly better than what we have now, where someone like Mr. Dude insults our intelligence all day long in numerous threads.
lillypearl says
You are using one social issue on which to judge Jesus. Slavery continues to this day–who are you really mad at? You cannot judge Jesus–he was sinless. Jesus was God on earth—I can only pray that you really LEARN about Jesus before you spout off next time. Your salvation depends on it.
Buraq says
@ Mr Dud
Only a dud would compare Al Qur’an with The Bible. Google ‘The Enlightenment’ and find out why what The Bible says doesn’t particularly matter in a modern, secular society.
But as Islam has not undergone anything like The Enlightenment, Islam remains in darkness, a savage, 7th Century, barbaric so-called religion.
By the way. What about the beginning of the 3rd Intifada declared by Muslims against Jews? How many of the thugs leading Hamas will be fast-tracked to Islam’s bordello in Paradise this time? 10, 20, 30?
You’re a clown Mr Dud. A baggy-trousered, red-nosed, wire-wigged clown.
Mr. Dude says
By refusing to answer the question any reasonable person will conclude that you’d choose to kill your own children if they are gay since you didn’t say the Bible/Qur’an are wrong. I couldn’t imagine hesitating even ONE second when the choice is to say a book is wrong or to even CONSIDER killing my own children. Incredible.
I’ll give you one more chance to answer, however.
Mr. Dude says
“You’re a clown Mr Dud. A baggy-trousered, red-nosed, wire-wigged clown.” – Buraq
I’m not, but I’d RATHER be (just say) that than a person who can’t even answer a question that involves killing THEIR OWN CHILDREN.
When you look in the mirror next, realize that you can’t even say you’d stand up for you own children’s LIVES….how does that make you feel?
Buraq says
@ Mr Dud
I’d rather my children were gay, than firing rockets into Israel.
Eels says
Fruitcake.
stevo k says
in what way is this article related to homosexuality? you truly are a cretin and an idiot dude. not to mention many old testament laws do not apply in the new testament. you are a hack at scholarship.
Daniel says
As I pointed out to you in a previous comment, Christ did not have the adulterous woman stoned, but He still referred to adultery as a sin (John 8:1-11). This is the New Testament conduct with regards to all sexual sins, they are regarded as sins, and result in church discipline for those in the church, not in stoning or any other vigilante justice (1 Cor. 5 which specifically dealt with adultery/incest). Those outside the Church are judged by God not the Church. So again a clear separation of Church practice from state law. That does not mean a Christian turns his conscience off or does not let his moral framework influence his political policies, but it does mean he does not push for sexual sins to be made crimes, especially since God seems to reserve punishment of these to Himself (Heb. 13:4).
Mr. Dude says
Daniel, you won’t answer a simply question will you? Which is it, kill your own children or say the Bible is wrong? Answer if you dare.
opinionated says
Mr Dude, the Jesus also said ‘do not cast your pearl before swine’!
Daniel says
I did answer. How much more clear can I be. If I had a relative who was homosexual or involved in other open immorality, and they were not in the church that would be between them and God. If they were part of the church and were unrepentant they should be removed from the Church. What do you have difficulty with?
The OT is still part of the Bible and is used for other purposes, in the case of certain Levitical portions mainly to provide definitions. The Ten Commandments are given, but what defines stealing, murder, etc… you find the answer in the rest of the Torah.
Defcon 4 says
What does your comment have to do w/musl0nazi apes firing over a hundred rockets into Israel w/homicidal intent and without cause? Oh, that’s right, nothing, nothing at all.
dumbledoresarmy says
EZACKLY.
voegelinian says
Defcon’s acutely incisive and apt rhetorical question is ignored by Mr. Dude; meanwhile Mr. Dude continues to foment his garbage all around Defcon’s question. This has been a pattern with Mr. Dude, where he is quite voluble and copious in pursuit of his dogged hobbyhorse, but suddenly becomes silent when pertinent questions and challenges are directed at him.
This habit — or tactic — of Mr. Dude’s clearly qualifies as one or more of what the Jihad Watch Comments Disclaimer (which I can’t seem to locate now) describes as:
…comments that are off-topic, offensive, slanderous, troublemaking or otherwise annoying…
Just as a matter of principle and aggrieved repulsion at Mr. Dude’s offense at basic human intelligence and decency, he should be banned.
thomas_h says
“Just as a matter of principle and aggrieved repulsion at Mr. Dude’s offense at basic human intelligence and decency, he should be banned.”
Absolutely with you on that, Hesp!
I haven’t slightest doubt that the vast majority here wants the Mr. Dud out! Or, as the Danes say: “Dud må Ud!”
And Hesp, I admit I couldn’t resist responding shortly to his inane question about killing one’s offspring if it should turned out homosexual. It was short, I promise. It should appear here soon.
Mr. Dude says
Because the question we need to ask is which ALTERNATIVE to Islam are we proposing….just a different Abrahamic faith, one that’s centuries older than Islam? Not a good solution.
Instead of only bashing Islam (still a good tactic however – I love you guys), we need to determine which ALTERNATIVE we propose instead. We can’t complain about Islam saying Christians go to hell, when the Christian texts say the same thing about Muslims (well, non-Christians)! That would be hypocritical of course.
Jax Tolmen says
Where is it stated that an alternative religion is necessary if they can simply be pushed to reform the existing one.
I don’t know what you hope to achieve by starting fights with people on Jihad Watch about Christianity. Can’t you just accept that people are allowed to believe whatever they want? Even if you disagree with elements of their faith, just because the bible says something doesn’t mean people are actually following through.
If you still can’t leave it alone; then consider the fact that Christianity is the lesser of two evils and is vastly preferable to Islam.
Defcon 4 says
Who’s proposing an alternative to pisslam? I’m advocating the extinction of islam, period, full stop.
Once again you’re comment has nothing to do w/the topic at hand. Namely that islam0nazi apes have fired over a hundred, HE rockets into Israel hoping to kill someone, without any cause or provocation whatsoever, beyond that found in their holey books of hate.
Hiram says
Mr Dude,
In ancient Israel only the Sanhedrin could impose a death sentence and this was rarely done. Moses cited many offences punishable by death but from very ancient times there is little record of this being used. Israel today has a death penalty but has only imposed it twice and homosexuality is not punished but indulged. Here are two discussions on the subject…
http://www.lookstein.org/resources/homosexuality_amsel.pdf
http://www.nightroadsassoc.com/ParashatMishpatim.htm
gravenimage says
“Mr. Dude” wrote:
Thanks be to Robert for giving us ammunition to help win this war.
To win this war it’s important to show that we are more moral than Islam, or else we are just like, say, Nazis hypocritically pointing out that Mohammad said to hate Jews…
………………………………
More and more, “Mr. Dude’ exposes his agenda, and opposing Jihad is *not* part of it.
One clue is the snarky “thanks be to Robert”, which is intended to sound mock biblical.
The fact is that Infidels *are*consistently more moral than Islam—to imply that we are not is calumny.
The implication that Jews and Christians are murdering their gay children—and doing so on orders from the Bible—is absurd and false.
Moreover, the sly suggestion that Jihadists are only able to make headway against the Kuffar due to the (alleged) moral shortcomings of Jews and Christians is grotesque and false.
The idea that Muslims would stop waging violent Jihad if only Jews and Christians changed their holy books is nonsensical—particularly since an Islamic trope is that Jews and Christians “corrupted” their texts, which (supposedly) were originally the same as the Qur’an.
So—what is “Mr. Dude’s” point here? His only real purpose is to condemn Jews and Christians, as he has shown on so many different threads at this point. His pose as an atheist and—especially—Anti-Jihadist, is almost certainly feigned.
Mo says
@ gravenimage –
“The fact is that Infidels *are*consistently more moral than Islam—to imply that we are not is calumny.”
I think that was my first warning bell.
gravenimage says
Agreed, Mo.
Hope you are doing well, and are having less trouble posting.
Mo says
@ gravenimage –
Thanks. It’s still touch and go. (But I know I won’t be wasting any more time responding to Mr. Dude’s nonsense. )
Defcon 4 says
I’m sure Dud’s propaganda if like manna from heaven to the readers of the Daily Kos, NY Slimes or Huffington Ho.
Eels says
Mr Dude
I sometimes suspect one of my three children may turn out to be gay. I love that child with all my heart and will continue to do so, whatever their orientation. They and their partner will always be welcome in my home, heart and life.
I find your continuous question as to whether my Christianity leads me to want to kill that child to be churlish, infantile and abhorrent and I wish you would stop. If I believed for one minute that God wanted me to kill my child I would have nothing to do with that god. Of course I wouldn’t.
I wonder two things.
Firstly, are you a Muslim? And are you concerned that your belief system instructs you to do such things and therefore are you are seeking some perverse comfort in projecting your disgust at yourself onto us?
Secondly – what is your capacity to love? It appears diminished. You use the horrific concept of infanticide as a rhetorical football to be kicked around with no thought or sense. Your posts make you sound like a monster as well as a fool.
The Bible is an evolving story of man’s relationship with God and God’s revelation of himself to man. Not an absolute instruction manual for utopia. I hope you find your alleged Modern Secular Humanism guides you to utopia, but it won’t.
Stephen Poole says
Mr Dude :
Anything that Jesus Christ said over-ruled the OT laws and teachings/beliefs :
1) Love your neighbour, as yourself …
2) Judge not, lest you be judged …
3) Vengeance belongs to Jehovah God …
When Jesus Christ returns, the sword he weilds will be his words … … Take care, my friend … SP OX …
Mr. Dude says
You’re saying that OT is wrong then, so you’re saying that the all-knowing father got it wrong. In which case he’s not all-knowing as advertised. Can you say that the Qur’an and the OT are wrong?
Mr. Dude says
In Mt 5:17 Jesus said he came to fulfill the old laws. Kill gays were part of the old laws of course.
Mike says
Love your neighbor as yourself is from the Torah, not Jesus
dumbledoresarmy says
Exactly.
I just read that passage out in Church, not so long ago.
Jesus of Nazareth (born in Bethlehem of Judea, raised in the Galil where he attended synagogue every Sabbath, and went up to Jerusalem for Pesach every year) was a well-instructed Jew who knew the TaNaKh. The bit in the Gospels where the woman touches the “fringe” of his garment actually tells us he wore tzitzit (Hope I spelled that right).
carpediadem says
Yes you did. 🙂
revg says
Jesus did not exactly say #2, you have to read the whole thing.
voegelinian says
Stop feeding the troll (Mr. Dude). Starve him into submission.
Mr. Dude says
I’m going to assume by that non-answer to the question that you’d choose, since you didn’t say the bible was wrong, to kill your own children if they turn out to be gay. Or is the Bible wrong, which is it?
If this is an example of people following Jesus’ teachings, not being able to say something is wrong when they see it, then Jesus’ teaching would not be the best alternative to the (terrible) Islamic teachings, it would appear?
Buraq says
@ Deputy Dawg
Leviticus 20 begins with: The Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 2 “Say to the people of Israel, ……..
So, what follows are instructions for the people of Israel at that time not to practise homosexuality, sacrificing children to Molech, etc.. on pain of death. The instruction is time-bound, it’s history.
By contrast, Islam’s instructions from Allah are open ended and timeless. So, big diff, Dawg. But I don’t hold your dawgness against you. Just to prove it, here’s a joke about you.
What did the three-legged dog say to the Sheriff who asked him why he had limped into town?
“I’m lookin’ for ma Paw.”
Anyway, despite holding out an olive branch, I still think you’re a clown! And a liar!
Mr. Dude says
If you felt you had the truth on your side you’d shout it out, instead of trying to shut down the (apparently) mis-lead opposition.
Mr. Dude says
Salah – “Here’s your answer, from the mouth of the King of Kings:
“Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her.” John 8:7”
So you’re saying the multiple parts of the Bible that say to kill gays are WRONG, so why would you leave those parts of the book in the next time you give your kids a copy of said book? Why not remove them, since they are horrific and you apparently don’t believe them? Do you have high moral standards?
Salah says
“So you’re saying the multiple parts of the Bible that say to kill gays are WRONG”
That’s not what I said. The Bible is RIGHT and we all deserve to die because we all have sinned, including you , me and the man jamming his erect penis into the feces-laden descending colon of another man.
Got it?
Mr. Dude says
Incredible. You’d kill your own children. You won’t say it, but what you DON’T say speaks volumes.
Almost 20 posts so far (total), plus many page views, and not one person can differentiate the Abrahamic faiths from each other. (Muslims would not say the Islamic texts are wrong, like Christians can’t do about the Bible.)
Mr. Dude says
If you were a Modern Secular Humanist then you would believe that humans are innately GOOD, and not innately sinners, unlike with Jesus’ belief. We love people (uh, all people, not just people that suck up to us – are you listening Jesus?) but Jesus only loves those people who put him on a pedestal. Dawkins doesn’t require that, and neither do moral people anywhere.
thomas_h says
Mr Dud:
“Are you listening Jesus”
Jesus:
“Get thee behind me, stupid!”
Mr. Dude says
So far, at least, it does not appear that Christians on this thread are differentiating themselves, morally, from Muslims.
thomas_h says
…”it does not appear that Christians on this thread are differentiating themselves, morally, from Muslims.”
At least they differentiate themselves, morally AND mentally, from you, idiot.
Otherwise, take your opinion and shove it.
Defcon 4 says
How many hundreds of rockets have Christians fired into Israel over the last 75 years again Abu Al Taqiyya?
Daphdong says
Mr Dud, I have not noticed any Christians who would kill their children, unlike Islam who loves to kill females including children, who also rape and torture them as well as slavery.
The Commandments given in the Old Testament was given to show the judgements that God Himself would give to all who sin. The wages of sin is death. He also said that there would be a New Covenant given at the appropriate time. The New Covenant being in Jesus Christ who would pay the wages of sin for us. All who deny Jesus Christ, His death, His resurrectionand ascensions into heaven are doomed to destruction.
Before you judge a religion you must look at the founders of that religion. Jesus Christ is the founder of Christianity. He differs from Muham mad as from light is different from darkness. Even Aisha said that women of believers suffer more than any others.
Mr. Dude says
“Gays are routinely executed in Fascist Iran.” – SCREW SOCIALISM
Good post.
Yes, the Abrahamic faiths say to kill innocent people, and must be purged of those disgusting texts, don’t you agree? Or do you DEFEND texts that say to kill innocents? This should be pretty morally clear to a moral person.
Mr. Dude says
Screw Socialism, which is it, you’d kill your own kids, or the Bible is wrong? Which is it?
Unless you pick one, it’s patently obvious that you’d kill your own kids. But you can of course prove me wrong.
I despise Islamic extremism, and Robert does a great job in pointing out Islamic extremism. But it appears that Christian extremism is alive and well on this thread. We are talking about saying a book is wrong vs. KILLING ONE’S OWN CHILDREN. I would assume this would be a no-brainer. Seriously! Wow!
Champ says
Clearly this is not just the average day’s lobbing of a few rockets into Israel. Clearly this is war. This is intifada. This is jihad. The jihadists probably calculate that with Obama pressuring Israel to surrender to the “Palestinian” jihadis, now is the opportune time to strike. — headline
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I agree, Robert, this is war! …and any minute now obama will hold a press conference requiring the rockets to cease / sarc.
Mr. Dude says
Robert can beat Mohammad, but can be beat Dawkins/Mr. Dude?
ecosse1314 says
Mr Dude you were soundly defeated on this question on another forum I and others gave you a complete argument that showed up your strawman question. We explained the scriptures and you failed to reply to me and others.
MikeRyan says
Uh, why have some seen fit to hijack this thread and transform it into a discussion not at all related to what its poster intended?
voegelinian says
It’s not “some”. Only one person is to blame for the off-topic garbage here: Mr. Dude. All who are responding to him are not to blame. Blaming them is like blaming the Israelis for defending themselves against the savage Muslims attacking them.
carpediadem says
I never heard that anyone was required to respond to an a-hole.
I agree – this post has been hijacked – much like most of Israel.
Walter Sieruk says
No matter how much rocket the Islamic terror group ,Hamas, launches into Israel the Jihadists of the group will never succeed in the Satanic/ Islamic quest to destroy the Jewish State of Israel. Hamas and other likeminded jihadist groups such as Hezbollah are all fated to fail in their anti-Israel aganda because ,as stated before, eventhough they might know it they are striving against the Will of God. This is becuse the God of the Bible has declared in His Word that this area of land in the Middle East belongs the the Jewish people by Divine Right. As seen, for example, in Genesis 28:13-15. 35:10-12. Deuteronomy 32:48,49. Psalms 105:7-11. 135:4. This land also belongs to the Jewish people by historic rights. As shown in First Kings 4:20,21,24,25. 8:55,56. Nevertheless,in all fairness there is one way the the members of Hamas can convince God to change His Mind and turn His Back on Israel and thus have that nation be no more. That way is for themembers of Hamas to change the laws of astrophysics, including that of the sun, the moon and the stars. For God has said in Jeremiah 31:35,36. “Thus saith the Lord., which gives the sun for a light by day and the ordinances of the moon and the stars for a light by night…The Lord of host is His name. If those ordinances depart from before Me saith the lord, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before Me forever.”
duh_swami says
Mr Dude…Abu…Stop derailing the thread. This is about rockets into Israel and war. If you can’t stay at least somewhat on the topic, you should be deleted and banned if you keep it up. You won’t be the first and probably not the last booted for redirecting a topic into something unrecognizable.
duh_swami says
Robert…Mr Dude guy is becoming a nuisance. Maybe he should take a vacation, a long one…
dumbledoresarmy says
Seconding that. Loudly.
Incidentally: in a previous thread, Mr Dude rabbited on about “Israel’s illegal occupation”.
That tells us everything we need to know about him.
You might enjoy the “Hughism” that you will find at this link.
http://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_direct_link.cfm/blog_id/51325
Saturday, 14 December 2013
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Champ says
Incidentally: in a previous thread, Mr Dude rabbited on about “Israel’s illegal occupation”.
That tells us everything we need to know about him.
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Israel’s illegal occupation?!!!! Say no more he’s on the side of evil–yet he claims to be against islam. Right! Lying scum.
duh_swami says
Ignore the dude………Israel is not going to take this escalation sitting down. The ‘Palestinians’ are obviously begging for trouble and I expect Israel to give them plenty of that…
Mr. Dude says
The BEST way to get people to stop firing rockets at you is to stop continually stealing their land, and to not teach your children that you are “god’s chosen people” (which implies that the non-Jews are not loved by “god” as much….that’s Nazi-like supremacism, it can be argued.) If I lived in the country that had the most number of UN resolutions against it in the last, what, 20 years, then I’d be ashamed to be a part of that nation and a part of the Abrahamic faiths, and would work to not have it care about non-Jews more.
Just a suggestion. But what do I know, heck, I’m not smart enough to believe in unicorns, dragons (mentioned 37 times in the Bible – see below), and talking donkeys like the great and powerful Jesus/Mohammad are. I guess I just need to have faith, instead of being so pig-headed and always demanding “evidence” like that crazy Dawkins demands. Someday I’ll learn.
http://biblescan.com/search.php?q=dragon+OR+dragons
No1 says
Israel isn’t constantly stealing Palestinian land. Israel gave back Gaza and it has been used as the base for these rocket attacks, and new settlements haven’t been constructed for 20 years, only old ones have been expanded internally. Regardless, if you think the loss of land is justification for attacks on civilians, you are a supporter of terrorism.
Jews considering themselves the chosen people has no parallel to “Nazi-like supremacy”. If Irish people considered themselves the finest people in the world, is that “Nazi-like supremacy”? The whole point of Nazism is enforcing racialist ideas with violence. There’s nothing wrong with a people considering themselves special if they don’t try to violently enforce it.
Your attacks on religion are childish and largely consist of strawmen.
dumbledoresarmy says
IF “Mr Dude” is not a mohammedan in a mask, then he has a great deal yet to learn about Islam. And one of those things is that orthodox Muslims regard ALL kuffar EVERYWHERE as illegally occupying Muslim land.
If ‘Mr Dude” is not Muslim, then no matter where he happens to be sitting, unless he is in Muslim-majority Muslim-ruled country- that is, unless he is in the ‘dar al harb’ then…HE is ‘illegally occupying’ land that Muslims regard as rightfully theirs.
He also needs to know that Muslims regard ALL land that Muslims EVER invaded and stole from the original inhabitants – but which the pesky Infidels then regained, by booting out the Mohammedan invaders and occupiers – as land that *still* rightfully belongs to Muslims and which must be got back…some day.
Like: Spain, Portugal, Greece, Sicily, Malta, a big chunk of southern Italy, a big chunk of Southern Russia and Hungary and Austria, Macedonia, Bulgaria, Serbia-Montenegro (the seizure of Kosovo was part of the Muslim program of “steal a second time what we stole the first time”, and most of India. And East Timor. And South Sudan.
I assume “Mr Dude” grants the Muslim right to reoccupy Greece and subject the native Greeks, once more, to the horrors of dhimmitude?
Because if he thinks the Muslims have the right to evict the Jews from Israel, or force them to live as despised and exploited dhimmis within an “Arab Islamic State of ‘Palestine'” (or “Greater Syria”?? or “Greater Egypt??? or…the Caliphate redivivus?), then he should also agree that Muslims have the right to retake, and rule, all the *other* lands I just listed. Like India, and Spain, and Greece.
Israel – traditional Hebrew land that MUSLIMS invaded, and MUSLIMS stole, and which the indigenes and their heirs have just got back, after said indigenes endured centuries of perilous exile or else the misery and continual peril of dhimmitude – sticks in mohammedan craws…but it isn’t the only bit of territory Muslims regard as theirs for the taking.
Mazo says
And yet again Voldemort’s army rambles on about East Timor, which she knows nothing about
“And East Timor. And South Sudan.”
Indonesia was, and is not an Islamic state. The Javanese dominated Indonesian government settled CATHOLIC Javanese and HINDU Balinese on the East Timorese land after colonizing them.
The Secretary General of FRETILIN, which fought for independence of East Timor against Indonesia, was the ARAB MUSLIM Mari Alkatiri who later became first Prime Minister of East Timor, while the Indonesian General who invaded East Timor was the ROMAN CATHOLIC General Leonardus Benjamin Moerdani.
Gaddafi and the Free Aceh Movement supported the East Timorese against Indonesia.
East Timor’s Arab Muslim former Prime Minister Mari Alkatiri in fact angered Australia, defying Australian bids to steal East Timorese gas, by turning to China and bringing East Timor and Chinese ties closer together. He was considered China’s man in FRETILIN, and even though he is out of office, the government of East Timor today is continuing his anti-Australia, pro-China policy.
East Timor is now buying weapons from Indonesia, turning closer to China, while its relations with Australia are going downhill.
http://pacific.scoop.co.nz/2014/02/timor-leste-plans-to-buy-weapons-from-indonesia-for-border-challenges/
I explained what happened in East Timor in these threads, but Voldemort’s army insists on telling fiction.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/02/indonesia-armed-muslim-mob-blocks-construction-of-church
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/02/philippines-frees-jihad-leader-to-make-peace-with-milf
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/03/western-media-condemns-terrorist-attacks-that-happen-at-their-door-but-show-sympathy-to-terrorists-killing-people-brutally-in-china
Mazo says
And if by southern Russia, voldemort’s army means the steppe lands and caucasus, more cr*p is flowing.
The animist Turkic nomads like the Cumans, Kipchaks, Nogais in the Sibr Khanate and other steppe states vountarily converted to Islam. The Kazakh nomads were converted by Sufi mystics.
If you can’t stop bringing up asian lands on topics where they have no relevance, stop telling lies about them.
gravenimage says
Mazo—who may well be the old banned poster “Horse”—is doing his usual sand throwing.
He would have us believe that violence against Infidels in Indonesia, and China, and Sudan has *nothing* to do with islam, but is all just a matter of discrete—and ever-so-complicated—local spats, tiffs, and separatist movements.
I suppose he would say much that same about the Jihad against Israel, had he even bothered to comment on the story above.
He is a troll of a somewhat different type than “Mr. Dude”—but ultimately, his aims are pretty much the same—spew enough unrelated and off-topic verbiage, and hope to confuse any unwary readers through shear obfuscation.
Champ says
Mr. Delusional wrote:
“The BEST way to get people to stop firing rockets at you is to stop continually stealing their land” …
The Jews stole Israel? Wow this lying clown has made so many false claims over the past few days on Jihad Watch that it’s hard to keep count–but this one takes the cake! And then he has the unmitigated gall to blame the victims (Israel) for these unwarranted attacks. What a lying scum.
gravenimage says
“Mr. Dude” wrote:
The BEST way to get people to stop firing rockets at you is to stop continually stealing their land…
…………………………………
Once again, “Mr. Dude” flogs the idea that the victims of Jihad are responsible for Jihad.
Not only has Israel without recompense handed over the Sinai and Gaza, but the fact is that Muslims have made it *quite* clear that what they consider “occupied” is *the entire state of Israel*.
They aren’t firing rockets into Israel over the “West Bank”—both Hamas and Fatah have stated many times that what they seek is the destruction of Israel herself.
More:
..and to not teach your children that you are “god’s chosen people” (which implies that the non-Jews are not loved by “god” as much….that’s Nazi-like supremacism, it can be argued.)
…………………………………
More crap. The fact is that Israel is the *only* nation in the Middle East that offers equal rights to all her citizens.
More:
If I lived in the country that had the most number of UN resolutions against it in the last, what, 20 years, then I’d be ashamed to be a part of that nation and a part of the Abrahamic faiths, and would work to not have it care about non-Jews more.
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Sickening—but hardly a surprise. Most of these “resolutions” are OIC backed—this is, in fact, another part of the Jihad against Israel. Most of these resolutions are over things like the building of settlements, while the gaudy horrors of Islam gets a pass, and such countries as Sudan and Libya sit on the UN Human Rights Council.
The fact is that this is projection—it is Islam which codifies the oppression and abuse of non-Muslims.
Mo says
Why is this troll Mr. Dude here yet AGAIN?
Mo says
Why is this Mr. Dude troll still being allowed here?
Mo says
This Mr. Dude troll is once again demonstrating his anti-Christian bigotry by trying to equate Islam & Christianity and derail this thread.
Enough already! Ban him!
It’s doubly frustrating when his comments go through and I have to post and post and post to finally get something to go through after multiple attempts.
Mr. Dude says
If you can’t even answer the question I posed in the first comment, and you advocate just banning the person who wrote that question, then are you being like Mohammad (he just killed critics – such as Abu Afak), instead of engaging them and loving them to show them the error of their ways. Not answering the question seems very Mohammad-like, to me.
thomas_h says
To all, (but Mr. Dud)
I would like to hear if also other than myself think that the new mode of arranging responses directly after the comments that had set them off is significantly inferior to the old way where the postings were arranged chronologically, but would have a link to the posting they reply to.
Mr. Spencer,
If indeed my impression is shared by significant number of people here is there a chance the site can be modified accordingly?
If not, can anything be done about:
1.
the long delay between sending in a comment and actually seeing it on the screen?
2.
absent possibility of “twice and more removed” replying (reply to a reply to a reply…)? It is sorely missing sometimes.
Regards
dumbledoresarmy says
It appears to have escaped “mr Dude’s” attention that there are a great many gays, etc., in Israel, and that although some rabbis may feel unhappy about it, I don’t see any stonings taking place – or being demanded – nor do I expect anything of the sort to happen in future. Jewish lesbian ladies and frum women with fertility problems sit side by side in the waiting rooms of IVF clinics, because Life trumps all.
Lady Gaga has an enormous Israeli fan-base, and recently toured, (in defiance of threats from Mohammedans, but not from Jews or Christians) to rapturous crowds. And Lady Gaga, unlike Mr Dude, *loves* Israel. Funny, that.
If the Mohammedans succeeded in their declared intention of utterly destroying Israel and killing all or most of the Jews who dwell there, a great many gay Jews – and Christians – and yes, Arab Muslims, too, who currently live quite safely within Israel – will be among the victims of the allahu-akbaring death cultists.
Mr dude appears to me to have his priorities all wrong.
voegelinian says
RodSerling needs to have this penetrate his obsessive skull too. He also has this hobbyhorse that confuses Letter with Spirit, obsessing about dusty ancient texts and fretting about Christians today creating theocracies based on them — all pure feverish speculation on his part with no evidence to back it up; an obscenely monstrous inversion of a proper perspective that would contrast Islam with Christianity, not perversely try to dig up some connections.
gravenimage says
Dumbledore’s Army wrote:
It appears to have escaped “mr Dude’s” attention that there are a great many gays, etc., in Israel
……………………………….
Oh, I don’t think this has escaped “Mr. Dude’s” attention at all, DDA—he just hopes that it has *escaped ours*.
Not coincidentally, the two major “Palestinian” gay rights groups, Al-Qaws and the lesbian group Aswat, are both headquartered…in Israel, because it would be far too dangerous to try to set up in the “Palestinian” territories.
Tel Aviv has been named “the best city to be gay” in the world, garnering more votes even than San Francisco. 70% of Israelis support gay rights, according to a poll from last year.
Yet the absurd “Mr. Dude” would have us believe that Jews are poised to start stoning gay people any moment now, all on the orders of Leviticus…
dumbledoresarmy says
The view from Israel.
http://israelisoldiersmother.blogspot.com.au/2014/03/how-to-start-war.html
“In the last few hours, Gaza has, by its own admission, fired 90 rockets at our cities. Our Iron Dome is in action and has shot down a number of them; and still many have fallen in our cities.”
“Stop it, Gaza! Just stop. But they won’t, of course. Already they are complaining that we are responding, that our jets are in the air. Where else should they be, but defending our land.
“And they are saying that the rockets are inaccurate, that they never hit anything. Such a funny thing, such an absurdity – they seem to think it is their inalienable right to fire at us and since they basically miss most of the time, we are expected not to respond.
“Just once can someone please tell them that this is how you start a war – by firing at the civilians in another country..”.
duh_swami says
Dude posts like a manic depressive in the manic phase of his psychosis. Lithium is the drug of choice Dude. Ask your doctor about it. Or as we used to say to manics in mania, ‘slow down you’re moving too fast’…
thomas_h says
I think he is a homosexual who was rejected by his daddy when his deficiency start showing up. How else can one explain his maniacal adherence to that particular subject?
duh_swami says
Hey Dude. In the institution people as wired as you are, were strapped to a bed and injected with happy juice. Get help before you hurt someone.
Mr. Dude says
thomas_h, If your children turn out to eventually be gay, would you kill them as the Bible/Islamic texts imply, or are the Bible/Islamic texts wrong? Which is it?
Mo says
@ Mr. Dude
Stop lying. The Bible does not command Christians to murder homosexuals.
Stop lying. Stop trolling. Go away already.
thomas_H says
“thomas_h, If your children turn out to eventually be gay, would you kill them as the Bible/Islamic texts imply, or are the Bible/Islamic texts wrong? Which is it?”
I don’t care what “Islamic” texts imply. Go ask a muhammedan.
Otherwise, neither would I kill my children, nor is Bible wrong.
Being a Catholic I follow both the Bible and Tradition. In other words, I understand the Bible through the Tradition. Besides, as NT tells me, hate the sin and love the sinner.
Now, get lost.
stevo k says
hey snoop, once again, many old testament laws DO NOT apply to the new testament. one of them being murdering someone for being gay, or committing adultery, or apostasising. F@#K YOU’RE A SIMPLETON!
duh_swami says
Enjoy your psychosis while you can Dude. Robert is surely going to ban you when he discovers your hijacking this thread with nothing but spam. But I’m sure, like so many other trolls, you got lots of names. I can think of a few myself, but they are not fit for mixed company.
m says
“I’d rather my children were gay, than firing rockets into Israel.” – Buraq
On that we AGREE!
Mohammad’s example, of violence, is the main thing that drives the Jihad. Discredit Mohammad, and we discredit Islam. Discredit him talking about riding on a flying horse. A Modern Secular Humanist can of course do that, but a member of a fellow Abrahamic faith can’t of course, because their own texts have a TALKING DONKEY in them, so they’d look like hypocrites, of course. It’s clear what belief system is the best at beating Islam.
Mr. Dude says
Mr Dud:
“Are you listening Jesus”
If Jesus was listening, would he be ashamed that his followers, because they refuse to say the Bible is wrong – they’d rather kill their gay children, are being immoral? I’ve yet to hear one person say that the Bible is wrong (in regards to killing their own gay children).
Would he be ashamed?
No1 says
Not a single person here would harm their gay child, and clearly the Bible is wrong even within a religious context as Jesus prevented the stoning of a couple for adultery, so we can assume that he would similarly prevent the stoning of a homosexual. But even if that wasn’t the case, there would still be none here who would do this act that you constantly impute onto every Christian.
Regardless, this is an article about rockets being fired from Gaza. There are hundreds of websites where you can harass Christians over the Bible, so perhaps you could go there instead? Unless you want to take attention away from Hamas’ war crimes by derailing the discussion?
Champ says
Unless you want to take attention away from Hamas’ war crimes by derailing the discussion?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Bingo! …that’s precisely his purpose here.
Mr. Dude says
Hamas’ war crimes are numerous. Mohammad was a criminal, so his followers quite often emulate him. Let’s find an alternative to Islam ASAP.
In another Abrahamic faith, David, a hero in the Bible, killed 22,000 Syrians in one battle alone, and many many others, because the voices in his head (“god”) told him too, and he KILLED CAPTIVES as well. “Thus the LORD preserved David whithersoever he went.” See 1 Chronicles 18. Did David kill more captives than Mohammad’s 900 at Banu Qurayza? If so, then David is likely less moral than Mohammad.
“And he brought out the people that were in it, and cut them with saws, and with harrows of iron, and with axes”. 1 Chronicles 20:3
Has Hamas killed 22,000? If not, then Hamas is arguably more moral than a hero in the Bible (David.)
Angemon says
Mr. Dude posted:
“Hamas is arguably more moral than a hero in the Bible (David.)”
So, an organization who cowardly and despicably uses suicide bombers against innocent civilians is more moral than someone who kills enemies in the context of open military warfare according to mr. Dude.
You’re giving Dawkins a bad rep by associating yourself with him. Stop it.
thomas_h says
“Bingo! …that’s precisely his purpose here.””
Now I have no doubt about it. He is an enemy and his phoney utterances against Hamas rockets are are immediately made to appear as bagatelle as compared to Biblical stories 3000 years old.
The idiot can’t see that if he uses these stories as an argument he must accept them as true, but then he also need to accept other stories like for example parting of the Red Sea, Moses meeting God, David s Goliat duel, Jesus resurrection etc., etc, etc
I wouldn’t be surprised he is WatchDawg. His anti-Israel animus is showing when he drops the mask and start ranting about Israel stealing land from “Palestinians”.
gravenimage says
Thomas H. wrote:
Now I have no doubt about it. He is an enemy and his phoney utterances against Hamas rockets are are immediately made to appear as bagatelle as compared to Biblical stories 3000 years old.
………………………….
Exactly, Thomas.
Bezelel says
http://www.staircasepress.com/proving_god_intro.php
The topic being 130 rockets fired from Gaza, and my opinion on it,
How bout those peace talks? Givem Hell IDF !!!
dumbledoresarmy says
Since ‘Mr Dude’ is so very, very busy throwing showers of sand and sh*t, and since he is on record, in this thread, as denying the right of the people of Israel, the Jews, to live and exercise sovereignty and defend themselves against genocidal mohammedah Jihad on what has been, for millennia, the one and only place in the entire world (and a very tiny place, to boot) that Jews have regarded as homeland , the sensible course of action is for everyone to go right back up to the top of the thread and re-read the posted article.
The Jew-hating (genocidally- Jew hating) mohammedans of Jihad Fortress and Armed Camp and Advance Base of the Empire of Islam, Gaza, have fired *130* rockets *into *Israel*. Into Israel proper. Randomly.
And if one of those rockets fell on a kindergarten or a schoolyard and blew lots of little Jewish kids to pieces, the mohammedans in Gaza – men, women, and, alas, little children – will scream ecstatically, and ululate, and pass round the candies.
Because for them it’s “today, we conquer Israel; tomorrow, we conquer *the world*”.
And meanwhile, if the Israelis hit back, the mohammedans all over the world, and their deluded enablers, will SCREAM and wail as if it were the end of the world.
Why?
Because, under the Pact of Omar, the Rules for Dhimmis, non-Muslims are *not allowed* to hit a Muslim. Not under any circumstances.
What that means is this: Muslims are *allowed*, they have the *right* to hit the dirty kuffar, anytime they want. They are entitled.
But Muslims believe that *nobody* is allowed to *ever* hit a Muslim.
There ain’t no Golden Rule in Islam.
Instead, Muslims live by what G K Chesterton describes as *real* savagery (and it has nothing to do with people’s level of civilisation, mastery of technology or lack thereof; it’s about the rejection of reciprocity).
Namely, the true savage “laughs when he hurts you, but HOWLS when *you* hurt *him*”. (The corollary, is that if the savage, or more precisely, the malignant narcissist, hits YOU first – and he does it because he *enjoys* hitting and hurting you, and feels entitled to do what he likes with you and yours, preferably if it causes you pain, fear and humiliation – but then *you* hit him *back* and defend yourself, he will HOWL even louder, because for him, that’s an offence against the Nature of Things).
Mr. Dude says
We BOTH agree that Mohammad was one of the very very worst people to have ever lived.
Any “prophet” that says that non-believers go to “hell” is of course not a moral person. Agreed?
Defcon 4 says
I wonder if the 4000 dhimmi Jews slaughtered by muslimes in Al Andalus were also unarmed as per the pact of Omar.
dumbledoresarmy says
Mr Dude needs to read Jacques Ellul’s “Three Pillars of Conformity”, which simply *demolishes* this nonsensical “Abrahamic faiths” canard that he keeps squawking at us. The whole concept “Abrahamic faith” is basically a MUSLIM concept (although, apparently, it was introduced into the west by a dhimmi Christian )..and it is total rubbish.
Two reality checks, for anyone new to this site and this subject who may be getting confused.
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/219405/which-one-god/bat-yeor
BAT YEOR
DECEMBER 4, 2006 7:58 A.M.
Which One God?
Comparing the Muslim and Christian conceptions of God.
and
http://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_direct_link.cfm/blog_id/51787
Friday, 31 January 2014
The Abrahamic Fallacy
Excerpt:
“From the Quran’s perspective, Abraham was the prototypical Muslim.
He is used by Muhammad in the Quran as a stick to beat over the heads of Christians and Jews. “…
“According to this view, the “religion of Abraham” is a kind of code for Islam’s precedence over all other religions. Islamic da’wa or mission to Christians and Jews involves calling them to the “religion of Abraham,” i.e. to Islam. ”
“I have been tracing the origins of the concept of “Abrahamic faith” in reference to monotheistic dialogue.
“Its most important and influential promoter was a Lebanese Maronite priest, Youakim Moubarac, following in the footsteps of his teacher, [the western Islamophile – dda] Massignon, who regarded Islam as a faith of genuine revelation — and Muhammad as a prophet — but in more primitive stage than Christianity…”.
“This vision of a political and spiritual reconciliation between faiths based upon a shared identity as followers of “Abrahamic faith” is fundamentally flawed.
” In fact it leads to Islamization, as a society based on the Quranic concept of Abrahamic faith is a sharia state, which by virtue of the structure of Islamic law, is devoted to the decline and ultimate disappearance of Christianity and Judaism.
“It should not be surprising that a Christian from a dhimmi background, from a nation traumatized by the massacres of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, would produce an quintessential dhimmi theology, one which offers to Christians the option of serving Islam by embracing the legitimacy of Islam and thus of Muslim power. ”
Why, pray, if Mr Dude claims to be against Islam, is he chanting this highly dangerous and destructive “Abrahamic faiths, Abrahamic faiths, Abrahamic faiths” line at us over and over and over, busily perpetuating a mohammedan meme that was, apparently, introduced into the wider world by a dhimmi or islamochristian from Lebanon?
Mr. Dude says
“The difference is that the modern Christian has adopted a less strict interpretation of the Bible” – Jax
IN OTHER WORDS, THE BIBLE IS SO *WRONG* THAT IT CAN’T BE FOLLOWED BY MORAL HUMAN BEINGS.
Jax Tolmen says
Last time I checked, the Bible was the basis for Western Civilisation. You’re saying that Western Civilisation is immoral because of a few failings within the Bible itself?
Just because there are things in the Bible that are not necessarily right, does not mean the entire book is morally reprehensible. That also does not mean Christians advocate slavery, killing gays or anything of the sort.
Should we stop condemning murder because the bible says its wrong, just because there are issues in other parts? Maybe we should also start sleeping with each others wives whilst we’re at it.
Again, the difference between the two books (Quran vs Bible) is that the Bible and it’s followers are open to change where Muslims are not. You’re attacking the lesser of two evils and undermining the fight against the real issue with your asinine questions and insipid posts. What is the point of your posts beyond inflaming people.
Mr. Dude says
You wrote “is that the Bible and it’s followers are open to change ”
I’m afraid you couldn’t be more wrong, my friend, as the Bible (and Qur’an of course) prohibit change:
Revelation 22:18-19
I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book, and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.
Deuteronomy 4:2
You shall not add to the word that I command you, nor take from it, that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God that I command you.
Proverbs 30:5-6
Every word of God proves true; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him. Do not add to his words, lest he rebuke you and you be found a liar.
Revelation 22:18
I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book,
Deuteronomy 12:32
“Everything that I command you, you shall be careful to do. You shall not add to it or take from it.
Revelation 22:19
And if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.
dumbledoresarmy says
There is a possibility that he may not be what he seems. That he may be amusing himself by engaging in the tactic known as “split the camp”.
In this case, the “camp of the infidels” is divided between religious people and nonreligious people (and the “religious” are divided between biblical faiths – Christians and Jews – and those who follow other religions such as Hinduism, Buddhism and such).
If the religious can be diverted into attacking the nonreligious, and vice versa, and both are thus distracted, confused and weakened, who wins..?
Mr. Dude says
Now that you bring it up, I have been unfair in not stating that, for example, I believe that the Hindu faith has many many horrific things in it just like the Abrahamic faiths do. Hinduism is just as bad as the Abrahamic faiths of Islam and Christianity and Judaism. Any ancient belief system that robs people of their common sense, and steers them away from science is not the best thing for the world, unlike Modern Secular Humanism.
Jax Tolmen says
@dumbledoresarmy
I think I’ve accused him of being a Taqiyya artist twice now. If that is the case, then he is terrible at it because all he is doing is shooting himself in the foot with his militant views. I’m an atheist and I’m inclined to defend Christianity against him.
@Mr Dude
Those quotes mean absolutely nothing if people choose to ignore them. Which they are.
Actions speak louder than words. As I’ve stated previously – you’re attacking the lesser of two evils (if Christianity would even qualify as evil) and ignoring evidence.
If Christians are personally open to change, which is evident because they are not the ones stoning gays – then it stands to reason they would ignore those passages telling them not to change, just as they ignore the ones compelling them to kill gays.
You’re ignoring the element of personal choice, which is something that the Bible promotes. Everyone has a choice. Like how we both choose to be Atheists, yet you choose to belittle people who do not share your beliefs.
Angemon says
Mr. Dude posted:
“Hinduism is just as Islam and Christianity and Judaism”
Hinduism does not condemn homosexuality. You’ve been whining on and on about how terrible christianity and islam are because (according to you) both demand the killing of homosexuals, and now you’re saying a religion that doesn’t do what you’ve been obsessiing over is just as bad?!?!?!
Angemon says
Jax Tolmen posted:
“I’m an atheist and I’m inclined to defend Christianity against him.”
Same feeling here, coming from an agnostic. The fact i don’t believe one thing doesn’t mean i need to stand by idly when i see someone lying about it.
Transmaster says
Yes I know Leviticus 20:13 and we acknowledge it is there but unlike Islam we chose to ignore it, and reject anyone, or any group that uses this as an excuse for hate. In Islam the killing of Gays is celebrated, Allah Akbar, hanging, beheading, stoning. I don’t hear any of this happening is Christian communities. the only time it happens in the Western world is when a Muslim does it.
Mr. Dude says
“Yes I know Leviticus 20:13 and we acknowledge it is there but unlike Islam we chose to ignore it.”
That sounds just like a Nazi who says “yes Mein Kampf says to kill Jews but we chose to ignore it….but we still give it to our kids and say it’s the best book of all time, AND it’s sanctioned by god himself”
See how hypocritical that would sound? To be fair, it’s as hypocritical as a Muslim who is against pedophilia, but won’t condemn Mohammad’s pedophilia. Pure hypocrisy.
No1 says
Since Jesus himself ignored Leviticus 20:10, I don’t see why modern Christians can’t ignore 20:13. Christians are followers of Christ; they are not ancient Hebrews. If Christ acts a certain way, that clearly takes precedent.
dumbledoresarmy says
Something’s going on.
We don’t just have ‘mr dude’ derailing the thread, we have Mazo.
Now why, pray, would a Chinese Mohammedan want to post on a thread about Arab Muslims firing rockets at Jews in Israel?? If, as he claims, Chinese Muslims aren’t like Muslims anywhere else, why is *he* buying in to disrupt a thread about Arab Muslims attacking the tiny Jewish state??
*Something* is going on, something bad, when the dementors and the boggarts and the masters of “split the camp” (among whom I am on the point of placing the disingenuous ‘mr dude’), are in such a frenzy of activity.
Mazo says
One wonders why voldemort’s army feels the need to bring up East Timor and southern Russia in a topic about Israel-Palestine where it is competely irrelevant, and not only that, to tell lies about it to boot.
I exposed your lies about East Timor repeatedly over and over again.
dumbledoresarmy says
Hi, “Horse”.
Still peddling your nonsense that Islam in China or anywhere else in the world is somehow mysteriously different from Islam in, say, Gaza? Or that in a country like Indonesia, 80 percent Muslim, Islam has *nothing* to do with how people live, their attitudes to one another and especially, toward non-Muslims whether within their own country or next door?? If Islam had NO effect in Indonesia, the Bali Bombing would *not* have happened; there would have been no bombers to do it.
Wherever there is Islam, there is Jihad: the “struggle” (often military, but it uses many other means than military means, according to opportunity and resources available) to subject the entire *planet* to Muslims, and enforce the Total System that is Islam.
And you damn well know that, I *bet* you do. So I assume that what you are doing is, basically, throwing sand. To confuse, to divide. As jihad advances, worldwide, to pretend that all the little jihads, here (as in Gaza) and there, and there, and here, and everywhere, don’t actually add up to one big Jihad. So that the unwary and confused kuffar get picked off, one by one by one, and the area of turf controlled by Muslims mysteriously gets bigger and bigger and bigger.
And I don’t buy your line that what happened to the – Catholic and animist – EAst Timorese after Muslim-majority (and therefore substantially influenced by Islam) Indonesia invaded and occupied it and proceeded to subjugate the population, had NOTHING to do with Islam. I don’t buy it for a minute.
Right now, East Timor is majority non-Muslim, and it is not an Islamic state.
I believe it is better off as an independent nation than as a majority-non-Muslim region trapped within a Muslim gestalt.
Muslim rule is *always*, in the long run, *bad* for non-Muslim minorities.
Mazo says
I dare you to point out where I said East Timor should be part of Indonesia, liar.
thomas_h says
OK, time for me to sleep.
I hope that tomorrow we will once again get busy with JihadWatch mission, instead of wasting time replying an idiot. Yes, I’m talking about you Mr. Dud.
Mr. Dude says
“Even the Pope is open to change” – Jax
LET’S SEE HIM REMOVE THE PARTS THAT SAY TO KILL GAYS, THEN!
OR REMOVE THE TEXTS THAT SAY THAT WOMEN ARE WORTH 1/2 A MAN!
I didn’t say “reinterpret”, I said “remove the texts”, don’t equate the two.
He won’t, because he doesn’t, until I’m proven wrong, likely possess the intellectual courage of a Richard Dawkins, who of course would remove that from a book Dawkins wrote (if, just say, it got added accidentally, for example.)
Francis, you’re being called out, sir. Show us that I’m wrong….please.
Jax Tolmen says
No one actually cares what you think, or what you demand. You can sit here, on Jihad Watch (which has nothing to do with Atheism or your anti – religious agenda) saying that you want the bible changed – it does not mean it’s going to happen. It will never happen.
The Pope is moving to support Civil Unions between Homosexuals. This is a far cry from killing them. If a reinterpretation will not satisfy you, and you are unhappy with the fact that the extreme majority of modern Christians are not committed to slavery or killing gays – then you are lost.
Mr. Dude says
Wait, in a previous post you wrote “the Bible and it’s followers are open to change where Muslims are not.” Now you’re saying, regarding change, “It will never happen.”
You sound almost as inconsistent as the Qur’an/Bible, I’m afraid.
BTW, one thing that forum members should point out is how many INCONSISTENCIES there are in the Qur’an, I’m surprised it’s rarely done. Inconsistency is a sign there’s often something WRONG!
The Qur’an has a lot of contradictions! http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/contra/by_name.html
To be fair, though, the bible has over 400 MORE contradictions than the Qur’an, so obviously neither one can be trusted to be the truth:
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/by_name.html
Jax Tolmen says
I’m saying the text itself will never change. You’re advocating for a specific kind of change, and ignoring the fact that there has already been change – just not in the way you would like.
The followers and their interpretations have changed – that is a form of change. You’re either intentionally confusing the situation or you have terrible comprehension skills.
The only being inconsistent here is you, with your ad hoc approach to logic and common sense
Mr. Dude says
“The Pope is moving to support Civil Unions between Homosexuals.” – Jax
That’s just a band-aid, instead, change the underlying command in the book itself.
It takes real courage to be a Modern Secular Humanist, and I think Francis just might have enough moral conviction to do just that.
Jax Tolmen says
The book will not be changed – is it not enough that the actions of the modern leaders of the faith contradict the book?
You’re asking for something unreasonable and refusing to acknowledge positive steps in the right direction.
It does not take courage to be a ‘Modern Secular Humanist’. It takes a different perspective, not bravery. Do not hoist yourself onto a non existent pedestal.
gravenimage says
“Mr. Dude” wrote:
It takes real courage to be a Modern Secular Humanist
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Well, in Dar-al-Islam it sure would.
But in the modern West and Israel, founded on Judeo-Christian values? Not so much.
In parts of the United States you might find some of your neighbors trying to save you, but that’s as far as it would go.
The idea that it takes courage to be a secular humanist is absolute rot—name anywhere in the West where atheists and agnostics are in danger—can’t be done, because it does not exist.
stevo k says
once again dumbass, there are no texts that order the killing of gays and none that say a woman is worth half a man. go to an imam, for those things are in the quran and islam.
Mr. Dude says
“So, an organization who cowardly and despicably uses suicide bombers against innocent civilians is more moral than someone who kills enemies in the context of open military warfare according to mr. Dude.” – Angemon
Let’s both agree that:
1. Hamas is extremely bad. Among the very worst. “I have been made victorious through terror” (Mohammad) is a monster.
and
2. People who go out and kill thousands of people because they hear voices in their head (“god”, or whatever a person in an insane asylum would call the voices in their head), such as David and Moses and Mohammad, are also extremely bad, in fact even potentially more dangerous than those that don’t hear voices (I don’t think Hamas’ leaders hears voices.)
No1 says
Hey, Mr. Dude… Hamas is happening now, and David happened over three thousand years ago. Let me tell you: if modern Muslims had rejected the violence in Mohammed’s teachings, none of us would waste the time to damn that ancient monster. When we bring up Mohammed’s atrocities, we do so to provide an informed background to what Muslims are still doing. Since Christians and Jews are not waging jihad, your criticisms of David, while probably having some validity, are quite empty as nobody is required to see him as “the perfect man” nor to imitate him.
David’s actions have as much relevance to us today as the actions of Emperor Nero: only valuable for historical background.
fair_dinkum says
time for another Israeli air strike.
lets see how many launch locations are next to schools and hospitals..
this sort of action against American, or Brittish, or Indian, or Australian soil
would attract condemnation. for Israelis, particularly the south (the ‘palestinians’ are still using 1970,s technology, thank goodness) near the border, its a daily hazard.
Mr. Dude says
“I’m saying the text itself will never change.” – Jax
It would be best if they raised their standards, then. Dawkins has moved beyond any texts that say to kill gays, treat women like garbage, etc., so am I hearing that Muslims/Christians have lower standards than Modern Secular Humanists?
Jax Tolmen says
You can hear whatever you like, that doesn’t make it true. It’s all a matter of interpretation – you can think whatever you like.
They have raised their standards, just (again) not in the way you would prefer. That doesn’t make the change any less real. Think of them like smokers who have quit smoking – some do it purely because of the money, and people say that they’re wrong because they did it for the wrong reason. Does the reason why they gave up smoking really undermine the fact that they managed to quit.
Mr. Dude says
It’s absolutely astonishing how rabidly you DEFEND books (Abrahamic faiths) that say that you (assuming you’re an atheist) are so vile that you DESERVE to be TORTURED FOREVER. Incredible.
I believe you’re a decent person, and don’t deserve that, but Mohammad/Jesus do apparently believe that about you. It’s like a Jew defending Hitler. What part of “burn forever, and you deserve it!” don’t you understand about them?
Jax Tolmen says
I defend them because they do not deserve the way you have treated their followers. I am a staunch Atheist, however I refuse to stoop to the level of belittling other people because they refuse to see things my way.
I don’t care if the Bible says I should be burned; I don’t believe in it and as of yet I have had no one attempt to set fire to me for not believing in Jesus. I have, however been attacked by Muslim youths for not being a Muslim. Which is my point – the real issue is Islam, and you constantly and ignorantly continue to confuse the issue and distract people from the real evils bubbling away in the world.
No1 says
Mr. Dude, Jesus’ teachings are largely positive and those of Mohammed are largely negative. Regardless of that, if Muslims today were non-violent, let me tell you, I would not spend a minute of my life trolling Muslims for their beliefs.
The reason Nazism is different is because it represents the darkest era of humanity that ended only seventy years ago. Christianity and even Islam have been largely divested of their historical contexts.
I’m an atheist. I couldn’t care less what anyone believes in, whether Jesus, Allah, or the Easter Bunny. I’m here because I represent the threat that Islam presents to the world, not because I despise religion.
Why would I care if someone believes I’ll go to hell? There is no hell. It’s like becoming angry because someone believes in UFOs.
Mr. Dude says
“the actions of the modern leaders of the faith contradict the book?” – Jax
Then that book is WRONG, clearly.
Jax Tolmen says
This is rapidly becoming a circular argument. You keep coming back to the same point, I continue to disagree with you and contradict your beliefs – which you then respond to with the same claim that the Bible is ‘wrong’.
Parts of the Bible are wrong. I’m saying this as an Atheist whose only knowledge of the bible comes from scripture classes when I was a child; and discussions with Christians. The fact that parts of the Bible are wrong does not discount the religion in its entirety, and does not invalidate the teachings of that book. Most Christians are capable of isolating the bad passages and ignoring them – yet they still retain their faith. This is not a bad thing. As I have said to you before – it does not matter WHY people choose to do the right thing, as long as they do.
What you are doing is belittling people who choose to have faith and follow a religion that you do not approve of. What concern is it of yours that these people find comfort in something greater than themselves. In modern times, Christianity is a benign, peaceful religion – they cannot be held accountable for the sins of their fathers. Islam is not a peaceful religion – which is why this site exists. You’re undermining the actual issues at play here and pushing your ‘Modern Secular Humanist’ agenda; which is completely irrelevant.
If you want to complain and attack people for their belief in Jesus/God/Spaghetti Monster then you’re free to do so – however this is not the place for that; this is anti Jihad site. This is not an anti – religion site and you will find no sympathy here, nor will anyone here give your views any thought as you do not respect anyone who disagrees with you.
You are as bad as the Jihadi’s you claim to oppose – forcing your beliefs down peoples throats and attacking them simply because they do not share your beliefs. You make me sick.
Mr. Dude says
“I don’t care if the Bible says I should be burned” – Jax
But they BOTH say you should be burned! So why only condemn one when BOTH are evil! You’re not calling out evil on an equal basis. You ignore one evil, and condemn the other.
I condemn BOTH.
Which is worse, you being attacked by Muslim youth (I’m sorry that happened to you), or burning in hell!? Come on.
Jax Tolmen says
That’s an easy question – I’d rather burn in hell. Because it doesn’t exist.
Evil is relative, Islam is more evil; therefore, Islam is the focus.
No1 says
You can’t compare an IMAGINARY punishment to the very real threat of being murdered by a jihadist. You need to get your priorities fixed, bud.
voegelinian says
That’s the crux, that several people have been trying to hammer into Mr. Dude’s thick obtuse head for days now. He’s either unbelievably stupid and obsessed, or he’s a saboteur. There is no third explanation. Either way, he’s not on our side.
gravenimage says
voegelinian wrote re “Mr. Dude”:
He’s either unbelievably stupid and obsessed, or he’s a saboteur.
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Voegelinian, at this point I believe it is quite clear that “Mr. Dude” is a saboteur. His ugly crap goes *way* beyond the usual banal moral equivalence.
And I absolutely agree—he is *not* on our side.
Londo says
Israel should arrange for an automatic artillery response to the positions of the rocket launch site. For each rocket flying over the border, exactly one artillery round back. No people involved. Load the howitzer with a couple of hundred rounds and automatic reload and just let those idiots learn the lesson the hard way. No talk, no deliberation. Just education.
carpediadem says
Excellent notion.
gravenimage says
Number of rockets fired from Gaza into Israel reaches 130 and still climbing
Clearly this is not just the average day’s lobbing of a few rockets into Israel. Clearly this is war.
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Yes—this *is* war—something that “Mr. Dude” hopes to distract us from.
But very few are acknowledging this—certainly not Western media. So if Israel defends against war, *she* will be excoriated.
More:
In Gaza, the Islamic Jihad militant group claimed responsibility…
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This is like Hitler’s claiming that he had no control over the Brownshirts when Americans in Berlin in the 1930s complained of suffering attacks.
The idea that Hamas has no knowledge of a Jihad group lobbing *130* missiles into Israel strains credulity. Clearly, Hamas is either behind these attacks, or else knows and approves.
More:
An Associated Press reporter standing on a balcony saw more than a dozen rockets being fired from the southern outskirts of Gaza City.
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They’re brazen enough to use a major city as a staging area. Again, the idea that this *isn’t* war is absurd.
Defcon 4 says
It’s too bad Israel doesn’t have a fleet of MIRV-capable boomers. The insincere, faux-moral hand wringing of the corrupt, amoral West over the plight of the poor, islam0nazi paleswine might disappear, because then Israel’s vow of never again would have teeth in it.