The Rev. Deborah Lindsay is building bridges with an interesting crowd. The leader of the Noor Mosque in Columbus, Ohio, Dr. Hany Saqr, was previously an imam for another area mosque which at that time was the base of operations for the largest known Al-Qaeda cell in the U.S. since 9/11, including convicted jihadists Iyman Faris, Nuradin Abdi, and Christopher Paul. Saqr is one of the leaders of the Muslim Brotherhood in North America. Dr. Salah Sultan was the Noor Islamic Center’s unofficial scholar in residence. A protégé of Muslim Brotherhood Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi, Sultan is now in the Middle East and has appeared on Egyptian television approvingly quoting the genocidal hadith about how the end times will not come until Muslims kill Jews. He previously appeared at events in support of Hamas and Qaradawi. The Noor Center has been directly linked to the Somali Muslims who have gone from the U.S. back to Somali for jihad terror training. Siraj Wahhaj, a friend of the Blind Sheikh and a potential unindicted co-conspirator in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, has spoken at the Noor Mosque. Mosque members threatened the life of Rifqa Bary, a teenage girl who left Islam for Christianity.
Lent is for Christians traditionally a season of prayer, fasting, and almsgiving. There is no sect of Christianity that now or ever has defined Lent as involving waging war against and subjugating non-Christians. Yet a Shafi’i manual of Islamic law that was certified in 1991 by the clerics at Al-Azhar University, one of the leading authorities in the Islamic world, as “conforming to the practice and faith of the orthodox Sunni community,” says that “jihad means to war against non-Muslims.” (‘Umdat al-Salik, O9.0). Many other Islamic authorities back up this definition. To point out, as Lindsay does, that other Muslims think of jihad in other ways does nothing to stop that violent jihad for even one second.
“Minister explores bonds Muslims, Christians share,” by JoAnne Viviano for the Columbus Dispatch, March 28 (thanks to Twostellas):
The Rev. Deborah Lindsay’s office isn’t exactly typical for a Christian minister.
Along with crosses on the wall, bookshelves hold Christian texts alongside Muslim scriptures. A dish on a table holds Muslim prayer beads. Behind her door hang clergy stoles, including one patterned with a colorful design adapted from a Muslim prayer rug.
The room at First Community Church in Marble Cliff represents what Lindsay has spent the past four years working to achieve. Just as she has found that Christianity can blend with Islam in her office, she has shown that Christians can sit beside Muslims in the community.
Lindsay is wrapping up a Muslim-Christian bridge-building project that pairs members of her church with members of the Noor Islamic Cultural Center in Hilliard.
Muslim Brotherhood theorist Sayyid Qutb once said: “The chasm between Islam and Jahiliyyah [the society of unbelievers] is great, and a bridge is not to be built across it so that the people on the two sides may mix with each other, but only so that the people of Jahiliyyah may come over to Islam.”
It’s part of her work toward a doctor of ministry degree in multi-faith studies at New York Theological Seminary.
“The thing that surprised me the most is that people in the congregation were surprised that we share common values with Muslims — the importance of loving your neighbor, compassion, taking care of people who need to be taken care of,” she said.
“Those are values that are deeply embedded in Christianity and deeply embedded in Islam, and people didn’t know that.”
Along with events at Noor, Lindsay has preached on a Lenten topic that might not have been so warmly welcomed at a less-progressive congregation. The pre-Easter season of sacrifice and repentance, she said, has a great deal in common with the Muslim concept of jihad.
“When we think jihad, we think holy war. And that may be what it means to fanatics and terrorists, but what the vast majority of Muslims understand jihad to be is ‘struggling in the way of God,’ ” she wrote for a 2013 sermon.
“The way of God being goodness, justice, mercy and compassion. It is a personal, spiritual endeavor.”
For Muslims, Lindsay said, jihad might mean marching on despite the loss of a child, building bridges through friendship or trying not to take simple things for granted.
Although she acknowledged that the concept might be a stretch for many, she said she seeks to push people out of their comfort zones so they see one another not as categories or stereotypes, but as people of faith who share the same God.
During the events at Noor, participants from both religions wrote their deepest values on slips of paper and the group was asked to try to determine which values were Muslim and which were Christian. No one could tell the difference.
She said the eventual goal is to replicate the project with other congregations.
“This is a great way of bringing communities together and erasing taboos and misunderstandings,” said Imran Malik, chairman of the board that oversees Noor.
He said the events led to friendships, evidenced by connections on Facebook and Twitter.
Interfaith understanding is growing in central Ohio, he added, especially as work in the area reaches Columbus’ suburbs.
Such activities are fruitful and should be encouraged, said Nimet Alpay, who has worked on a number of interfaith initiatives with the Turkish American Society of Ohio and as an executive member of Niagara Foundation.
“When we get over the minor differences we have and not prejudge the others by what we hear from media or from other sources, we see that we do have the same shared values and we can work hand in hand to better our communities for all of us to live in harmony,” Alpay said.
Lindsay started on her path in August 2001, when she was angered by threats from the Rev. Terry Jones in Florida to burn copies of the Quran on Sept. 11.
She delivered a sermon on the topic that received more than 218,000 hits on YouTube and led to invitations to speak to Muslim and other faith groups….
joeblough says
Another middle-brow dunce that doesn’t know the difference between a similarity and an identity.
This would all be much easier if more people could simply think straight.
ibn Muslim says
Subjugation in Bible:
24 Then the end comes, when he will deliver up the Kingdom to God [Caliphate], even the Father; when he will have abolished all rule and all authority and power. 25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy that will be abolished is death. 27 For, “He put all things in subjection under his feet.” But when he says, “All things are put in subjection”, it is evident that he is excepted who subjected all things to him. 28 When all things have been subjected to him, then the Son will also himself be subjected to him who subjected all things to him, that God may be all in all.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+15&version=WEB
john spielman says
Dear muslim: Don’t take passage out of context as you get yourself in trouble. This passage you qoute is about the UNITY of the God the Father and Jesus the son. It means when Jesus has fulfilled all His earthly duty, He and the Father will become functionally one. They have always been and will always be, one, but for the sake of the world Jesus becamer flesh and dwelt among us so that He and He alone could become the “Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world”
CogitoErgoSum says
Ibn Muslim, you are a wayward son. Did you not read the beginning of the chapter?
15 Now I declare to you, brothers, the Good News which I preached to you, which also you received, in which you also stand, 2 by which also you are saved, if you hold firmly the word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain. 3 For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, 5 and that he appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve.
Do you understand these words? Do you accept the truth as delivered to you by Paul? Do you believe that Jesus died for the sins of all mankind and rose from the dead? Do you believe that Jesus is the Son of God? Or do you believe Paul is a liar and that Allah is the greatest deceiver of all??? Also, how do you know which words are the truth and which are lies when spoken by one who excels at the art of deception?
mortimer says
Ibn Muslim, were your parents and grandparents first cousins?
Joel says
Mortimer, possibly siblings;
Kepha says
Ibn Muslim, I’m glad you’re reading the Bible. But I agree with John Spielman that you read your passage out of context.
The same chapter (I Corinthians 15) also speaks of Jesus’ dying for our sins on the cross and resurrection from the dead, and the witnesses to that event. Yes, we Christians believe in being subject to God Almighty. But our God is not the fierce oppressor that Islam imposes (a God we frankly find Satanic), but a loving God who became flesh, dwelt among us knowing all of our woes except for sin, and providing the atonement that allows us to approach God as forgiven sinners.
Also, the Apostle Paul, who wrote the words you quote, did not set forth with fire and sword as did Muhammad, but preached what he received from the Risen Jesus, and supported himself by making tents and by whatever the small congregations of the day gave him. We know from post-biblical tradition that he died a martyr in Rome when the Emperor Nero had him beheaded. But this martyrdom was for confessing Christ, not raising armed rebellion.
And, in subjugating the creation to God the Father, who are Jesus’ great enemies? Sin, the Devil, and Death itself. His is the way not of destroying people, but–to use Paul’s words again–of moving people from the Kingdom of Darkness to the Kingdom of Christ (again, through preaching, prayer, and ethical example, not the sword).
For us Christians, this is the one who is subjugated to and submissive to God:
“But the fruit of the Spirit [the Holy Spirit of God, who has been poured out on those who believe in Jesus] is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance; against such there is no law .” (Galatians 5:22-23).
ralph3796 says
Once upon a time there was this child raping, murderous, thieving, POS who went into a cave for 45 days. There he met a Jewish Angel named Gabriel who passed on to the child rapist the unholy Qur’an written in Arabic which the child rapist could not read because he was an illiterate child rapist. He went forth and murdered many people, stealing their stuff, and raping and enslaving their women and children. He made a deal with the Meccan polytheists, promising not to do to them which he hath done to everyone else that he had come upon. Well, He lied. He attacked them, killed them, stole their stuff, raped and enslaved their women and children, and claimed their temple which contained their kabba and 365 idols, one for each day of the year, as his own. Of the polytheists’ idols was one named Allah, the moon god. The child rapist chose Allah as his god and removed all the other gods. Wonder why all Islamic States’ flags have a crescent moon on them? Today, muslims claim that their holiest of holy places, which was built over 2000 years before the child rapist’s birth, was build by two Jewish brothers in expectation of the coming of the child rapist and his religion of Satan, known today as Islam. The child rapist’s name was Muhammad. The angel he met in the cave who he thought was the Jewish Angel, Gabriel, was, in fact, a Jinn, which is sort of an Angel of Satan. Islam: serving over 1.4 billion idiots and counting.
gravenimage says
The Kingdom of God, is not the Caliphate, you moron…
mortimer says
DELUSIONAL. To put it mildly, Rev. Lindsay is UNACQUAINTED with jihad and proud of it. She has not read the Koran, hadiths or Sira, but relies on watered-down ‘explanations’ of the texts’ meanings by mullahs who intentionally deceive. The Sharia law manual calls jihad ‘warfare against the disbelievers’.
Does that sound like a Lenten discipline to you? Me neither. It sounds like warfare against Christians until they submit to Islam, pay an extortion tax or are ethnically cleansed!
Just because you come up with a claim doesn’t mean you can support it.
Rev. Lindsay’s theory falls apart immediately when it is compared to authentic statements about jihad by Islam’s most respect authorities. Her theory is nonsense and rubbish.
umbra says
To know and understand the nature of the beast, one has to see it first hand or study it thoroughly. Unimpeded experience of islam in an islamic country could clear her mind and eyes. Perhaps 10 years of missionary work in the mid-east would do the trick.
mortimer says
Kum-bye-ya-itis! This illness can be cured as you say.
Rev. Lindsay doesn’t even understand the doctrine of taqiyya, let alone jihad.
Defcon 4 says
“…clear her mind and eyes” or get her killed. I know of a S. Korean pastor and his son who did missionary work in Iran and Turkey. Turkey was their last stop and they were never heard from again.
revg says
She is a wacko-bird. Lent is about self-sacrifice, jihad is about sacrificing others.
revg says
I guess both involve sacrifice…LOL.
Northern Virginiastan says
“Lent is about self-sacrifice, jihad is about sacrificing others.”
Love it! I tweeted it to Rev. Deborah @deblindsay91
Jay Boo says
A truth trampoline posing as a dialog
john spielman says
This deceived woman is embracing “chrislam” which is an oxymoron since it is of neither Christ nor islam. Infact, Islam will destroy her and her soul will be lost forever unless she returns to Christ and CHRIST ALONE.
JOHN SPIELMAN says
for as there is nothin in common between light and darkness,there is nothing in common between Christ and Belial(Satan /Allah) except as light overcomes darkness so Jesus being God incarnate will destroy Satan/Allah, who is merely a fallen angel and cast him into hell.
Oro says
Thank you. It seems the essence of christ has departed even his church.
John spielman says
the Holy Spirit has departed from the apostate church but is alive and dwells within His people as He promised.
cranky.white.woman says
Clearly, she doesn’t have the gift of discernment. I realize that Pastors are imperfect, just like the rest of humanity, but all the Pastors I’ve ever discussed Islam with not only know that Allah is a false god, but preach it to their congregations as well.
Jay Boo says
Song and dance to Coexist
The crowd is restless. Everyone is hoping to find just the right spot.
So much energy and excitement, I can feel anticipation in my bones.
I can hardly believe this honor as I look up from my low center stage.
I am dressed in proper modest white for this special occasion.
No alcohol is allowed. Nothing will be broken or out of place.
This is a religious celebration. No one will get wasted or stoned.
Listen to the chant as worshippers circle the pit and gather stones.
No one questions or is ashamed at this pilgrimage game.
It’s a ritual purification celebration in honor of a blackened desert stone.
A Sharia celebration really needs no explanation; as I look up, they gaze down.
Watch us COEXIST as my hosts become intoxicated by Islam’s ritual myth.
Their spirit is so infectious. Listen to the glorious shouts of “God is great.”
“DEFENDER’S” of God’s honor obviously need no humility or grace.
The Imam is happy to have me here today. I am just what he needs to be appeased.
His confident glare displays that he is full of “faith.” Yes he is so truly full of it.
Why does he pronounce together to-get-her? We must coexist and then celebrate.
Yet, I can’t help but wonder why everyone now has a stone and a look of hate.
It has suddenly gotten so quiet. “Come on everyone loosen up a little.”
They shout “Everyone rejoice to-get-her.” It’s pronounced “together,” I correct.
“I am oh so happy to be chosen as your “guest of honor”; I’ve just got to sing.
“There is a party going on right here, a celebration to last throughout the year
Celebrate good times come together… Celebrate good times come on, COEXIST here
No one needs to be stoned because everyone’s going to be appeased all right
Everyone around the world, don’t fear. Circle around…cel – e – bra – tion…
good times, good good times, come on, It’s a celebration… —- Yahoo!……….Yahoo!”
Hening says
Simply incredible that during Lent, when Jihad is being waged yet another year against Christians living behind the Islamic curtain that someone claiming to represent Christ’s Church would present such utter nonsense. Might I suggest she travel to Saudi Arabia, Syria, Libya or simply pop in at a Muslim Brotherhood meeting right here in the USA and offer to lead them in prayer in order to get an education.
duh_swami says
Do you know what it takes to become a ‘Reverend’ in America? Nothing…Anyone can give themselves any religious title they want except ‘Doctor’. Years ago I sent the ‘Universal Life Church’ $25 for the title Reverend for life. I could have saved the money and just given the title to myself. You also do not need anyones permission to found a church. You only need to jump through a few hoops for a tax exemption. This woman is not a Christian, she is a charlatan. Reverend duh-swami said so.
revg says
I thought ULC did online ordination for free…you could have got the doctorate for $50, I think.
duh_swami says
There was no ‘online’ at that time. Everything was snail mail.
umbra says
From the photo, the subject resembles a funeral director, perhaps an advertisement for a funeral parlour?
Kozak says
This lady has a seminary degree from a Lutheran seminary. Which tells you a lot about the ELCA’s seminaries. But religious syncretism is not due to lack of education, but rather is cultivated during one’s education at these places.
john spielman says
I used to belong to the ELCA which should stand for ex lutheran church -apostate, but left in 2006 because of their unbiblical stances on almost everything. The ELCA is dying fast and will be extinct in 30 years.
Alice says
I hope ELCA dies out! It is a shame for the name “Lutheran”!
voegelinian says
Very astute comment. Most of the comments here are missing the point. This Ohio Lutheran minister cannot be dismissed as merely stupid; nor is it plausible that she is some kind of a “Leftist” (much less part of some “Gramscian” cabal). Rather, she reflects a broader, deeper problem — which, for want of a better term, I have called “PC MC” (Politically Correct Multi-Culturalism).
Often in political science one is compelled by the phenomena to come up with new terms when currently used (or fashionable) terms prove inadequate. Many years ago — nearly a decade ago! — when I began commenting on Jihad Watch (circa early 2005), I saw the problem of the West’s myopia as exclusively a problem of “those damned Leftists”. The years since then, however, brought to my attention so many obvious non-Leftists from so many different walks of life who regurgitated like collective bad breath into the general sociopolitical climate the truisms of various forms of whitewashing of Islam (and of Muslims) that I simply could no longer sustain the old paradigm of “those damned Leftists are the cause”. But this was only because I was paying attention to the data and intelligently processing it. Apparently most in the Counter-Jihad are doing neither.
PJG says
Understanding Islam as we try to do, without constraints, despite the ban on criticism of Islam and Muslims, is perhaps more linked to social class rather than political persuasion. Tradesmen are more likely to share my views than people who consider themselves middle class, and of course university graduates are among the worst, with their grim “I refuse to discuss this issue” expressions if one tries to raise the subject.
NoMoreRINOs says
You are wrong, Kozak, but not far off; Ms. Lindsay was ordained by the United Church of Christ (Oh, how painful it is to see those words in the same association!), but the Infanticide on Demand, GLBT “rights” and “marriage,” ordaining Sodomites (putting Sodomites in the PULPIT!) are ALL part of the mantra, JUST like the ELCA (Extra Liberal Church of America).
voegelinian says
Lutherans often “partner” with the NCC and UCC.
Alice says
Not ALL Lutherans partner with those other entities. .And I love the new name for ELCA (Extra Liberal Church of America).
john spielman says
it’s important to note that there are MANY FAITHFUL LUTHERAN CHURCH DENOMINATIONS such as the Lutheran church Missouri Synod and the Wisconsin synod, North American Lutheran Church, and Lutheran churches in Mission for Christ. These have maintained their faithfulness to Christ and the truth of the Bible and have not bowed to public pressure to consecrate same sex marriage etc.
Joel says
A few decades ago (the 1970’s I believe) a friend at the time paid the ULC I think $50 for a Dr from a respected Christian seminary (in Cincinnati, as I recall) where there had been a fire AND ALL OF THEIR STUDENT RECORDS AND DEGREES GIVEN, HAD BEEN BURNED.
He used it for several years in his business, nobody ever challenged him.
Stand Fast in the Liberty says
Amen, Rev duh_swami.
JESS says
When I first saw this, I was sure that I would find out that she was a United Church of “Christ” pastor. I left that church after they stated in 2005 that same sex marriage is OK, practicing homosexual ministers is OK, and their intense hatred for Israel, and embracing terrorists. A few years ago they voted to reject “God the Father” in the Trinity. These people are delusional. I suggest she go and live in the Middle East and experience jihad first hand. Or just talk to some of our returning soldiers. My Nigerian priest (I eventually became Catholic after searching for the truth) regularly tells us about religious persecution that this country has no clue about, “because of the media.” He describes in detail that Islam is NOT a religion of peace, that they ultimately want all of us dead. They are cutting off the heads of priests in other countries. He even told the school’s children in a Mass at the school.
Oh and being a reverend? A few years ago my daughter signed herself, her brother and our dog – they are all “reverends” now. LOL Kind of like the fake ‘reverend’ Jesse Jackson.
gravenimage says
Yup, Duh Swami. When I was at university, I had a waggish friend who had gotten his dog “ordained”. I believe that the dog had much more discernment than this clueless minister does…
Bradamante says
I love this bit: “she seeks to push people out of their comfort zones so they see one another not as categories or stereotypes, but as people of faith who share the same God.”
In other words, she seeks to get people to see each other as categories and stereotypes: “they’re just like us, never mind any evidence to the contrary.” This woman is very confused about the difference between foolish stereotyping — judging people on irrelevant externals, for instance — and accurately understanding where the other person is coming from. Imagining that everyone else is just like us is a form of narcissism.
At the risk of engaging in a bit of stereotyping myself, I have to say that it’s astonishing how often people who are naive in these ways have facial expressions exactly like the one in the picture.
Twostellas says
To me her expression is like the girl from grade school who wanted to be liked, and would lie in order to gain status. Hmm…
Artie Galvin says
You see, this is the problem with people who don’t know enough about Islam. All of those shared values that she believe Christians and muslims have in common is a joke. Those values of compassion, charity, etc.. are only for fellow muslims. As it clearly states in the koran, and this and many other equally important pieces of information which this mis informed “pastor” seems to have missed or overlooked, ” take not the people of the book as your friend, they have each other as their friends”. This misinformation that is spread is the result of gross negligence on the part of these ignorant preachers. There are no bridges in islam.Period !
Charli Main says
I suggest the Reverend, to further her bridge building and inter faith dialogue, has a clitorectomy to show solidarity with her Muslim sisters.
jihad3tracker says
Excellent suggestion, Charli —
When enough Muslims enroll in Obamacare, such surgery will be advocated for placement in the “necessary procedures” category …
Islamisdeath says
With a razor blade and no anesthesia please!
mortimer says
CLITORECTOMY is jihad too, Rev. Lindsay. So is wife-beating.
WCM says
Useful idiots abound.
Joel says
I was going to say that, with attribution to (as I recall from school) to Lenin.
(He called the people who supported him, many of whom he later had murdered, USEFUL IDIOTS).
Northern Virginiastan says
Uh-oh. First Community Church (http://fcchurch.com/) is affiliated with the United Church of Christ (UCC), which is only a hair breadth’s away from the Unitarian Universalist Church.
You’ll remember Robert’s feature on the Eid Mubarak sign at First Congregational Church in Webster Groves, MO, outside St. Louis. That was also a UCC church.
Lastly, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright (the Obamas’ pastor) led a UCC church.
‘Nuff said.
JESS says
I posted my comment about expecting this “reverend” to be UCC…. and then I see your post, that she is! Wonder if she is teaching “Our Whole Lives” (OWL) the sex ed that teaches anything goes, encourages experimentation, and does not recommend abstinence “because it causes frustration”?
As I said in my previous post, the UCC voted to reject “God the Father” out of the Trinity a few years ago – so technically they are not even a Christian church anymore. They’ve also hijacked our country’s oldest printer, “The Pilgrim Press” which are now publishing books such as, “Queering Christ”, etc….
Paleologos says
The only redeeming quality about this idiot is that SHE IS NOT A CATHOLIC.
Otherwise, I would have to launch another of my “Paleologos Mini Series, ‘Fellow Catholics Who Need Frontal Lobotomies.’ ”
Let me state this for the record:
Christ never tried to tell the world, ALWAYS TURN THE OTHER CHEEK, AND MAKE SURE YOU ALLOW MURDEROUS BASTARDS TO WALK ALL OVER YOU, AND HAVE THEIR WAY WITH YOUR FAMILY, YOUR FRIENDS, AND YOUR COUNTRY.
Amen.
R/
Paleologos
Bradamante says
I’ve been seeing a disturbing amount of idiocy that comes *close* to this level within the Catholic Church, though. I keep thinking we Catholics need to organize a network of concerned Catholic laypeople to speak up in a unified way against the tide of “interfaith dialogue” BS. (I wouldn’t be against interfaith dialogue if it were genuine — e.g. if we sat down and talked about the Islamic program to impose sharia on all of us, and the Catholics in the group responded honestly with our intention to resist it til our dying breath. But somehow topics like that never seem to come up.) I’m heartened every time I see another Catholic on this blog, but I keep thinking we need to *do* something about all this.
Carlos Danger says
Check out Georgetown University , in particular John Esposito.
Some of what goes down there is idiocy, but much of it is Catholic academe in pursuit of a fat payday from the House of Saud.
Ayatrollah says
I read in “reliance of the traveller” that it is a sin not to only think of jihad as fighting the non Muslims. It looks like I have been reading the wrong things. Everyone, group hugs. I’m afraid someone’s Islam is in error.
Prinz Eugen says
Good reason here for the Catholic Church to keep wacky females out of the priesthood! This “co-exist” mental disorder fails completely to read and understand the “unholy” ravings of the lunatic pedophile, Mohammed.
islam does not compromise, much like its khalifa, Barak Hussein. It only demands obedience to the medieval madman.. As Barak Hussein said: “The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet.”
“Rspect it!”
Bradamante says
The wacky male priest at the Catholic church I used to attend has also been promoting Islam by quoting the Quran in the weekly bulletin. It isn’t a problem limited by gender.
voegelinian says
Not to mention Pope Francis himself:
http://hesperado.blogspot.com/2013/03/cry-for-me-argentina.html
And let not the Catholic jingoists forget the Catholic bishop from Boston, Robert McManus, about which Spencer posted this good overview a year ago, by Paul Anthony Melanson:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2013/04/bishop-mcmanus-and-dialogue-with-muslims
carlos danger says
That padre must actually be trying to empty the pews. If Christianity is correct, then Islam can’t be. If Christianity is incorrect, then you might as well stay home on Sunday and fix a nice brunch.
/bloody mary optional.
Veracious_one says
apparently she’s not following the ongoing Muslim slaughter of Christians in several countries…..
SandyLester says
huh?
What a complete idiot, there is nothing else to say about this self proclaimed “Christian minister”.
To compare fasting and prayer to the slaughter of people is demonic.
duh_swami says
This reverend, is an example of supreme stupidity rarely seen outside an institution. Her ideas are ‘monsters from the Id’. And the church gives her an office? I guess in that church, birds of a feather stick together’…
eib says
“monsters of the Id,” I agree completely.
Rob Crawford says
So, basically, she’s not a Christian.
eib says
No, she is not.
She is some kind of thing.
An undefined thing.
An amorphous thing.
A thing whose understanding is without context.
I know Pagans I admire more.
eib says
Islam and Muslim worship are profane.
This “minister” is not “reverend” at all.
The Incarnation and the Blessed Trinity set Christianity apart from Islam.
Lenten practices are non-violent.
Jihad is inherently violent.
Madam, you are delusional.
JESS says
The UCC rejected “God the Father” out of the Trinity a few years ago. So no, she is not a Christian. They had as one of their keynote speakers several years ago at their Synod, Naim Ateek, founder of Sabeel who believes in the destruction of Israel. Check out http://www.camera.org/ by Dexter Van Zile. Dexter used to be in the UCC and would call them on their statements all the time. I was recently in contact with him, and he became Catholic shortly before I did. Both of us were searching for the truth and found it in the Catholic Church.
MrSquat says
I’d have guessed she was from Berkeley or SF. But Ohio? Who the hell attends her church?
No spine, no pride, no identity, soft and cowardly. She embodies new America’s decadence.
Islamisdeath says
Hate to burst your bubble but Ohio is chocked full of deluded, peace and love, nothing can happen here, left wing, brain dead, idiots. Have spent much time there on business.”
JESS says
The United Church of “Christ” is headquartered in Cleveland, OH!
Islamisdeath says
Does not surprise me one iota!
CogitoErgoSum says
“Along with crosses on the wall, bookshelves hold Christian texts alongside Muslim scriptures. A dish on a table holds Muslim prayer beads. Behind her door hang clergy stoles, including one patterned with a colorful design adapted from a Muslim prayer rug.”
I would recommend that this lady read a letter written a long time ago to another lady. This letter is contained within one of the Christian books with which the Reverend lady should be familiar (I hope) and is very short and to the point. It is called 2 John, or the Second Epistle of John. I would ask that the lady pay particular attention to verses 7-11 and that she reflect upon the timelessness of the meaning of those words.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+John+1%3A1-13&version=NASB
I know, dear lady, it is good that you wish to walk in love but, for the sake of the truth, always be mindful of whom and of what you greet and receive into your house. Do not be careless and lose that which has been gained for you and your children through much suffering and sacrifice. For to welcome those things which do not abide within the teachings of both the Father and the Son is to assist in a deception and is to participate in the evil deeds of the deceiver.
RG says
This dunce has fallen for the age-old concept that ‘all religions lead to God’. Well, but of course! Don’t all roads lead to Rome????
When, OH WHEN, will people wise up to the fact that–just because somebody labels an aberrant “philosophy” as a “religion” doesn’t make it OK???? If that were the case then we owe an apology to Jim Jones and Charles Manson and David Koresh!
Islam does not deserve the recognition of being called a “religion”–IT IS A DIABOLICAL SYSTEM OF WORLD SUBJUGATION AND ENSLAVEMENT!!!!!
ISLAM IS PURE EVIL!!!!! AND IT WAS ORIGINATED BY A CHILD-MOLESTING BLOOD-THIRSTY DEVIL!!!!!
TIME TO WAKE UP AND SMELL THE CAMEL URINE–DUNCE!!!!
rubiconcrest says
Making friends with grizzlies because their cubs are cute will get you killed. It is just a matter of time.
RG says
To ‘rubiconcrest’ – But, but, God loves grizzlies too, right???
Yeah, makes about as much sense as these Chrislam retards!!!
Mirren10 says
”Along with crosses on the wall, bookshelves hold Christian texts alongside Muslim scriptures.”
Has this fool actually **read** these ‘scriptures’, I wonder ? If she has, then she is **doubly** a fool.
On the other hand, perhaps she is deliberately wicked ?
PJG says
Shouldn’t she have put the Islamic books on a higher shelf? She’d better watch her back!
SaturnV says
Couldn’t help but notice that this group hug where members swapped their religion’s messages took place at the mosque. When the muslims come to a church, and want to talk about becoming more tolerant of non-muslims, then I’ll pay attention. Until then it’s non-muslim dhimmitude and muslim taqqiyah as far as I’m concerned.
opinionated says
Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
Thus, by their fruit you will recognise them.
Not everyone who says to me,’ Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, “Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name. and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?” Then I will tell them plainly. ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
Salah says
Light and Darkness don’t mix.
True Muslims need to read their filthy Qur’an more often:
The Holiness of Jesus and the Sinfulness of Muhammad…in the Qur’an.
http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2011/05/saint-and-sinner.html
Champ ✞ says
Exactly, Salah!
“Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness?” — 2 Corinthians 6:14
Champ ✿ says
The Rev. Deborah Lindsay has climbed aboard the evil Chrislam movement that’s spreading across America (and beyond) …wow this dangerous woman needs to educate herself and stat!
“Exposing Chrislam”
http://www.exposingchrislam.com/
voegelinian says
From the UCC website:
The UCC’s commitment to reconciliation among the separated branches of the Body of Christ includes our relationships of full communion. Among these relationships are the Ecumenical Partnership between the UCC and the Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) and the Formula of Agreement (FOA) among the UCC, Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, Presbyterian Church (USA) and the Reformed Church in America. Another relationship—which aims eventually to establish full communion among nine Protestant and Anglican churches in the U.S.—is Churches Uniting in Christ (CUIC).
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Some of these relationships are new; others date back to earlier centuries. In 17th-century Holland, the Pilgrims (who later founded the first Congregational churches in New England) were in full communion with the French and Dutch Reformed churches. We have for decades been in full communion with the worldwide Reformed family through the World Alliance of Reformed Churches. In recent years, we have entered into bilateral relationships with the Union of Evangelical Churches (Germany) and the Congregational Christian Church in American Samoa. We are also exploring a closer relationship with the Baptist tradition through dialogue with the Alliance of Baptists.
Dealing with the phenomenon of a Rev. Deborah Lindsay by dismissing her as “not a real Christian” is like saying that the innumerable conservatives who defend Islam and Muslims (only sounding tough against the TMOEWAHI — Tiny Minority of Extremists Who Are Hijacking Islam) are “not real conservatives”. It’s a tendentious and circular spasm that not only clarifies nothing, it positively inculcates a simplistic demonization of a problem that runs far more deeply and broadly in our sociopolitical culture than such polarized language is able to illuminate.
Kepha says
Voegelinian: Since I got on this thread by noting Ibn Muslim’s quotation of I Corinthians 15, which includes Paul’s great testimony to the importance of the atonement and resurrection, I think I’m in a position to comment.
As one who did much of his Christian walk as a member of the Presbyterian Church in America and worked for the Christian Reformed Church before it went soft, who has read widely in Calvin and the Puritans, I am a Christian of the Reformed tradition myself. The UCC, which accepts as clergy people who deny every jot and tittle of the Heidelberg Catechism, Westminster Standards, and other historic confessions of the Reformed churches, is about as “Reformed” as the Hagia Sophia in Istanbul in the year 2014 A.D. is a functioning facility of the Eastern Orthodox Church. The building’s there, but it is a museum, having been made such after centuries as a mosque, and now it is perhaps being turned into a mosque again. In the letters to the Seven Churches of Asia (Revelation 2-3), the Risen Jesus clearly warned us of conditions in which churches cease to be churches, but become “synagogues of Satan”. I fear to the bottom of my soul that there are many churches in our day and age that are headed in that direction. May they be turned around!
Maybe Ms. Lindsay sincerely embraces Jesus Christ as God Incarnate, crucified for our sins, and risen from the dead. In which case, I embrace her as a sister in Christ. Maybe she is like so many in the UCC and other churches that bear the name “Reformed”, but are not, for whom Jesus was just a great and good man and remains safely dead, if in which case, she is no Christian at all. But those of us in Christ are not finished saints, and must daily own ourselves sinners who stand before God only through the righteousness of Christ. In my case, I can be pretty bad-tempered, envious, lustful and prey to a number of other sins. In Ms. Lindsay’s case, her sins include pretending to an office which the Word of God denies her, and in accepting the very false teaching that Muhammad was a prophet of God, when he clearly denied the faith that the Bible teaches.
Maybe I’m guilty of a kind of Christian “takfir” here. But I think that all who honor the Christ presented in the Scriptures should be very wary of this Jezebel’s syncretism.
Kepha says
@Voegelinian: I believe further that those brothers and sisters who are charging people like Lindsay of not being real Christians are perhaps employing a rhetorical shorthand for the problem you yourself note. We do indeed have a very deep sociopolitical sickness in modern (or post-modern?) American society.
The problem is modern (as opposed to classical) liberalism’s acceptance of the Old Serpent’s invitation to Adam and Eve to be gods for themselves (Gen. 3:5). In so doing, it embraces everything that will tear down a Western tradition that it finds repressive; accepts Rousseau’s demand that the rest of us be forced to be “free” (defined in the Rousseauan’s terms, of course); and finds in Islam a convenient ally, despite the fact that the Muslims would love to publicly stone the human idols of modern liberalism.
Never before has Will Rogers’ quip that a liberal is a man who won’t take his own side in a fight been so true!
Defcon 4 says
@Voeg
WRT your comment that: ‘Dealing with the phenomenon of a Rev. Deborah Lindsay by dismissing her as “not a real Christian”’
I wonder if it couldn’t be said that dismissing Lindsay in this way isn’t an example of the use of the no-true Scotsman fallacy of argumentation?
eib says
The Anthanasian Creed tells you who is a Christian and who is not.
Anything short of it is heresy.
The woman is a heretic, and should, if she is honest with herself, choose to identify herself as a Muslim.
Once truthfully identified, she should never darken the door of a church again.
eib says
That’s Athanasian, of course.
livingengine says
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqNzxtcRIMs
@6:18 Quran 5:32 is mentioned. This is NOT a verse about the sanctity of human of life. It is a warning to Jews that an attack on one Muslim is an attack on all Muslims, and they will mutilate, and kill any who disregard this warning.
People who talk like the Rev. do not know what they are speaking about. And, what’s worse, they don’t even bother to look at the Quran. http://wikiislam.net/wiki/If_Anyone_Slew_a_Person
Rev. Lindsay is a remarkably foolish, and hypocritical person.
@9:40 She suggests people actually read the Quran.
@9:10 she praises the memory of the founder of the Islamic Circle of North America.
This kind of talking is going to get people killed.
If anyone knows this person, see if you can get her to read Quran 5:32.
Boston Tea Party says
Reminds me of a Mark Steyn quote about Multiculturalism (I’m paraphrasing):
“Multiculturalism says ‘I believe in everything’—which is exactly the same as saying ‘I believe in nothing.”
Kepha says
This deceived woman is one of those progressives who are cutting the nerve of any and all resistance to falsehood in American Christianity. She is Exhibit A in Uncle Kepha’s case (next to certain passages in the Letters of Paul in the New Testament, that is) that the ordination of women has been and remains an unmitigated disaster in every Christian denomination that allows it.
@Boston Tea Party:
I would gladly call myself “multicultural” were it not for the unhappy fact that the term has been hijacked by a band of foolish nihilists whose chief claim to the term is that they hurl the epithet “racist” at everyone who disagrees with them. The multiculturalism which I embrace is simply that East and West–like the Jews and Greeks of Paul’s day (nod to Ibn Muslim and John Spielman) can and shall meet at the feet of the Messiah Jesus. I can conclude nothing else after encounters with many brothers and sisters of non-Western heritage (and >30 years of marriage to my Taiwanese wife, with two sons, a couple of tragedies, and a granddaughter between us), and as I notice some parallels between the Wisdom Literature of the Old Testament and some things in the ancient Chinese Classics.
Boston Tea Party says
Kepha, as someone who has studied Tai Chi Chuan from a Taiwanese teacher for more than 15 years, I could not agree more. I have a great deal of respect for Chinese culture, and indeed many other cultures. But for me, (and you, I’m sure), I reserve the right to critically look at other cultures and judge on an individual basis whether or not they’re worthy of respect—and I certainly don’t hold that ALL cultures in human history are worthy of respect. Small “m” multiculturalism, where people of different color, languages and backgrounds can live together peacefully as long as they share basic civil and moral values, is undoubtedly a good thing. As we all know, though—the essence of modern Multiculturalism is NOT that, and is simply a new means of waging war against the West.
And to a large extent, I see modern Multiculturalism as just another heresy of Christianity, just as communism was. Communism took the Christian idea of concern for the poor and disdain for the rich, and then removed those values from the complete, balancing totality of Christianity and elevated them to obscene proportions—and of course the result was a nightmare. I think Multiculturalism is doing something similar–taking Jesus’ lessons like the parable of the Good Samaritan, and exaggerating and distorting that good thing into something that’s quite destructive and unhealthy because it’s been taken out of its fuller religious context.
Boston Tea Party says
Oh, and to buttress my point, I would add that I think it’s no coincidence that ideologies like communism and multiculturalism originated from Christian (or post-Christian, as it were) countries.
Joel says
I beleive that she chose the LENT season ( time of year? I am not a Christian, and not sure of the proper terminology).
The reason ( this IS STRICTLY MY OPINION) IS: HER BRAIN HAS BEEN LENT. TO WHOM, AND WHEN SHE WILL GET IT BACK IS UNKNOWN.
Just my view and opinion.
Geoffrey says
Perhaps Rev. Deborah Lindsay could attempt to build an even bigger bridge to bring Christianity and Islam together by, say, going to Saudi Arabia and openly observing Lent and other Christian religious practices there.
umbra says
That would lead her to a ten year missionary work in saudi arabia. 1 day of evangelisation on the street followed by 9 years, 364 days of incarceration in a saudi prison – prison ministry perhaps.
Revg. says
No, proselytizing in prison might offer a chance for one of the prisoners to redeem themselves through the dispatching of the unbeliever.
Diane says
The top two comments at the Dispatch site article are spot on knowing which way the bridges lead. Too bad the Ms. Reverend is such a Christian coward in refusing to admit the truth or to seek truth.
voegelinian says
“Too bad the Ms. Reverend is such a Christian coward in refusing to admit the truth or to seek truth.”
Timidity — one of Hugh Fitzgerald’s Esdrujula Elves. Others he used to try to explain why so many Westerners persist in defending Islam (in one way or another) were Cupidity and Stupidity. But as I analyzed long ago, this explanation does not suffice, even when one combines one’s idiotic -Idities.
What’s missing when one insists on having recourse to the Elves and bracketing out any other explanation is a positive explanation of ideological sincerity. Many, of course, then may think they are solving this analytical problem by recourse to “those damned Lefty Elites”, but that explanation is strangely insufficient by now, when there are obviously so many non-Leftists who go out of their way to defend Muslims in one way or another .
I don’t have a full analytical answer, but at least, like Florence Nightingale — who, upon being sent to the Crimean War theater to manage the field hospital there took a look and said, “I don’t know how to manage a hospital, but I do know this is not how to manage a hospital” — I know where not to begin (much less where not to roll down the hill to a certain conclusion).
The analytical answer that seems most likely would begin by the observation that non-Leftists who go out of their way to defend Muslims abound throughout the West. It would then proceed by noticing that one cannot accuse them all — nor even most — of cowardice (Timidity), greed (Cupidity), or ignorance (Stupidity) — partly because they profess ideological sincerity.
One then is left with the distinct possibility that some ideology is afoot. One then does not want to go down the road of demonizing that ideology as some dastardly Leftism consanguineous (if not synonymous) with “Gramscian” and/or “cultural” Marxism.
One is now ready to begin to build a proper explanation for this most exigent and massive — if infuriating — problem, of the West stubbornly (if not at times cheerfully) maintaining its elaborate myopia about the problem of Islam.
I have devoted countless hours of my time over the years writing and posting numerous lengthy and detailed attempts at such an analytical construction, over at my blog The Hesperado.
P.S.: The “Esdrujula Explanation” — http://hesperado.blogspot.com/2013/01/the-esdrujula-explanation.html
citycat says
The lie in religion is disgusting.
Jesus died for my sins?
I have no sin, you Christian accusers.
CogitoErgoSum says
Which lie? Which religion?
Lou Bator says
Contact Rev. Lindsay at: dlindsay@fcchurch.com; Please be respectful.
Mirren10 says
I shall contact her.
But I won’t be respectful, I’ll be polite.
Jay Boo says
Question:
Rev. Deborah Lindsay,
If a madrassa is on fire and school girls are trying to escape without properly covering their hair does one assist in their escape from the burning building or does one send them back into the burning building to their deaths?
Answer:
in order to assist in building bridges with Islam let them fry extra crispy and then contact the leader of the Noor Mosque in Columbus, Ohio, Dr. Hany Saqr to seek out approval.
gravenimage says
Ohio Christian minister: Lent has a great deal in common with the Muslim concept of jihad
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Um…what? Is this dhimmi tool thinking of Ramadan? (Lent and Ramadan very superficially share an element of fasting).
What could Lent *possibly* have in common with the doctrine of waging bloody Jihad with the aim of imposing barbaric Shari’ah law?
More:
The Rev. Deborah Lindsay is building bridges with an interesting crowd. The leader of the Noor Mosque in Columbus, Ohio, Dr. Hany Saqr, was previously an imam for another area mosque which at that time was the base of operations for the largest known Al-Qaeda cell in the U.S. since 9/11, including convicted jihadists Iyman Faris, Nuradin Abdi, and Christopher Paul. Saqr is one of the leaders of the Muslim Brotherhood in North America….
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Oh boy…
More:
Lent is for Christians traditionally a season of prayer, fasting, and almsgiving. There is no sect of Christianity that now or ever has defined Lent as involving waging war against and subjugating non-Christians.
More:
Along with crosses on the wall, bookshelves hold Christian texts alongside Muslim scriptures. A dish on a table holds Muslim prayer beads. Behind her door hang clergy stoles, including one patterned with a colorful design adapted from a Muslim prayer rug.
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Another moronic “Islamo-Christian”. One can only hope that this is just out-and-out ignorance and rampant “political correctness”, and not something worse…
More:
Although she acknowledged that the concept might be a stretch for many, she said she seeks to push people out of their comfort zones…
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Hey! You know what else “pushes people out of their comfort zones”? Being the victims of violent Jihad, that’s what…