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Pakistan: Female legislator opposes domestic violence bill, says it would Westernize Pakistani society

Mar 30, 2014 10:30 pm By Robert Spencer

Domestic ViolenceSome time ago here at Jihad Watch I had an exchange with an English convert to Islam. I said: “I would like nothing better than a flowering, a renaissance, in the Muslim world, including full equality of rights for women and non-Muslims in Islamic societies: freedom of conscience, equality in laws regarding legal testimony, equal employment opportunities, etc.” Is all that “anti-Muslim”? My correspondent thought so. He responded: “So, you would like to see us ditch much of our religion and, thereby, become non-Muslims.”

In other words, he saw a call for equality of rights for women and non-Muslims in Islamic societies, including freedom of conscience, equality in laws regarding legal testimony, and equal employment opportunities, as a challenge to his religion. And now Fauzia Bibi, a veiled Pakistani legislator, agrees with him: to outlaw wife-beating would be an unacceptable Westernization of Pakistani Muslim society.

“Women activists, religious parties differ on domestic violence,” by Sadia Qasim Shah for Dawn, March 29 (thanks to Halal Pork Shop):

PESHAWAR: Women rights activists and female members of the provincial assembly from a religio-political party seemed to be at odds over the definition of domestic violence during a consultation in the capital city on Friday on lacunae in a bill tabled in the last House on the subject.

“Isn’t it breaking up a family if husband goes to jail for beating up wife,” said veiled woman legislator from Jamiat Ulema-i-Islam-Fazl Fauzia Bibi justifying domestic violence by giving different cultural and religious perspectives.

She ended up saying the passage of the bill would westernise the society.

It seems nothing has ‘changed’ as just like the legislature of the previous PPP-ANP coalition provincial government, some members of the current provincial assembly still seem opposed to the Domestic Violence Bill calling it a western agenda and interference in privacy of homes. PPP woman legislator Noor Sehar had an anti-domestic violence bill in the previous assembly but it remained pending during the five-year term of the last government.

The current draft, circulated among the participant, seems an improved version of the previous bills. “It defines domestic violence as all acts of gender based or other physical or psychological abuse committed by an accused against women, children or any other vulnerable person with whom the accused is or has been in a domestic relationship…,” Uzma Mehboob, a legal consultant and rights’ activist, told the participants at a gathering of MPAs, women rights activists and journalists.

The event was organised jointly by Shirkat Gah and Provincial Commission on the Status of Women to discuss how loopholes could be removed and more members of the provincial assembly Women activists, religious parties differ on domestic violence could be consulted on it.

“Some oppose the bill in the previous assembly saying it would westernise the society and promote divorce, while others called it intrusion in privacy of home,” said Uzma Mehboob.

“This bill is not just for women. It would protect all sharing a household against domestic violence,” said Provincial Commission on the Status of Women chairwoman Neelam Toru dispelling the impression that this bill was just for women who faced violence at the hands of husbands.

Neelam Toru also seemed quite agitated that sometimes in the name of Islam and at others in the name of culture, women were denied rights.

Yet, she seemed hopeful as she said the ongoing consultations with the legislators would help remove lacunae and pave the way for tabling the bill in the provincial assembly to become a law.

The struggle to make law to prevent domestic violence in the province has been going on since 2005. Khyber Pakhtunkhwa lags behind as Sindh has passed the law and Punjab and Islamabad Capital Territory are preparing such laws.

The attendance of MPAs at the consultation was thin but one woman member of the JUI-F Fauzia Bibi conveyed a mindset, which is still present in the provincial assembly that could be a hurdle to the passage of the bill if it’s ever tabled in the House.

Two legislators of the ruling Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf however, seemed very positive and suggested that male members of the assembly be taken into confidence.

“The draft should be polished and if it has nothing in conflict with Islam, then lobbying with the 99 members to pass it is needed. I hope it will become a law,” said Zarin Zia, an MPA from PTI….

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  1. Saleem Smith says

    Mar 30, 2014 at 11:24 pm

    Islam’s “canonical texts” are overloaded with inequality towards the women folk.

    >>>>>

    Should Women Respect Muhammad and His Islam?

    Muslims love to claim that Islam has granted women equal rights. Sadly, this is not true. The Quran states several times that women are to be granted less rights then those enjoyed by men.

    This article will examine the status of women and their rights according to Islam, as well as some of the many disgusting things that Muhammad said regarding women.

    The inherent oppression and degradation of women in Islam is abhorrent. For every good thing Muhammad’s Islam says about women, one can easily find a passage referring to women in the most unkindly of lights. Such is the reality of the fundamentally contradictory religion of Islam. One minute Islam is the perfect religion of peace and justice – the next it commands Muslims to maim, murder and subjugate others. Muslim women should learn the truth about Islam, and fast, if they truly care about their daughters and the future of women in general.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    In controversial verse 4:34 of the Quran, men are told to beat their disobedient wives after first warning them and then sending them to sleep in separate beds. This horrendous verse approves of and even sanctions, domestic abuse. As we shall see momentarily, Islamic theology also permits slavery and rape. No person of sound mind and good heart could believe that this is the wish of god. Islam is nothing more than the cult of a long dead, selfish little mad man named Muhammad ibn Abdullah.

    Quran, 4:34

    Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because God has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them. Then if they obey you, take no further action against them. Surely God is high, supreme.

    Here is an examination of how other translators render this controversial passage:

    Pickthall: “and scourge them”
    Yusuf Ali: “(And last) beat them (lightly)”
    Al-Hilali/Khan: “(and last) beat them (lightly, if it is useful)”
    Shakir: “and beat them”
    Sher Ali: “and chastise them”
    Khalifa: “then you may (as a last alternative) beat them”
    Arberry: “and beat them”
    Rodwell: “and scourge them”
    Sale: “and chastise them”
    Asad: “then beat them”

    Hadith, Sunan Abu-Dawud, Book 11, Number 2142:

    Narrated Umar ibn al-Khattab:

    The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: A man will not be asked as to why he beat his wife.

    The Quran compares women to a field (tilth) that a man is free to use when, and as he chooses:

    002.223
    YUSUFALI: Your wives are as a tilth unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will; but do some good act for your souls beforehand; and fear Allah. And know that ye are to meet Him (in the Hereafter), and give (these) good tidings to those who believe.

    PICKTHAL: Your women are a tilth for you (to cultivate) so go to your tilth as ye will, and send (good deeds) before you for your souls, and fear Allah, and know that ye will (one day) meet Him. Give glad tidings to believers, (O Muhammad).

    SHAKIR: Your wives are a tilth for you, so go into your tilth when you like, and do good beforehand for yourselves, and be careful (of your duty) to Allah, and know that you will meet Him, and give good news to the believers.

    According to Muhammad and his Islam, a woman’s testimony is worth half that of a man’s:

    002:282 “Get two witnesses, out of your own men, and if there are not two men, then a man and two women, such as ye choose, for witnesses, so that if one of them errs, the other can remind her”

    The Quran permits men to marry up to four wives, and have sex with slave girls if they want to do so:

    004:003 “If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, marry women of your choice, two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice”

    Hadith, Sahih Bukhari, Vol. 1, Book 6, No. 301:

    Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri:

    Once Allah’s Apostle went out to the Musalla (to offer the prayer) o ‘Id-al-Adha or Al-Fitr prayer. Then he passed by the women and said, “O women! Give alms, as I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-fire were you (women).” They asked, “Why is it so, O Allah’s Apostle ?” He replied, “You curse frequently and are ungrateful to your husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. A cautious sensible man could be led astray by some of you.” The women asked, “O Allah’s Apostle! What is deficient in our intelligence and religion?” He said, “Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?” They replied in the affirmative. He said, “This is the deficiency in her intelligence. Isn’t it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?” The women replied in the affirmative. He said, “This is the deficiency in her religion.”

    The Quran allows men to marry pre-pubescent girls, stipulating that Islamic divorce procedures shall apply to those who have not yet menstruated.

    065.004
    Such of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the prescribed period, if ye have any doubts, is three months, and for those who have no courses (it is the same): for those who carry (life within their wombs), their period is until they deliver their burdens: and for those who fear Allah, He will make their path easy.

    The Islamic prophet Muhammad was a deranged con man who has betrayed women. Here is some more of what Muhammad said and did:

    Hadith, Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 54, Number 460:

    Narrated Abu Huraira:

    Allah’s Apostle said, “If a husband calls his wife to his bed (i.e. to have sexual relation) and she refuses and causes him to sleep in anger, the angels will curse her till morning.”

    Hadith, Sahih Muslim, Book 008, Number 3371:

    Abu Sirma said to Abu Sa’id al Khadri (Allah he pleased with him): 0 Abu Sa’id, did you hear Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) mentioning al-‘azl? He said: Yes, and added: We went out with Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) on the expedition to the Bi’l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing ‘azl (Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid-conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah’s Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah’s Mes- senger (may peace be upon him), and he said: It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born.

    “By him in Whose Hand lies my life, a woman can not carry out the right of her Lord, till she carries out the right of her husband. And if he asks her to surrender herself [to him for sexual intercourse] she should not refuse him even if she is on a camel’s saddle.” — Ibn Majah 1854

    • ibn Muslim says

      Mar 31, 2014 at 4:31 am

      You are clueless as to the meaning of those verses, the devil has blinded your mind. A man is the head of the household (read Bible!) and as such he rules over his wifes and children. How is he to become a just ruler, a philosopher king, if he is not allowed to instill obedience? Knowledge of good and evil has to be experienced and it is Adam in whose throat the burden is placed.

      To put it another way, a man is also a policeman of his family. As without legitimate use of force society disintegrstes, so does the family.

      • bill says

        Mar 31, 2014 at 6:03 am

        So in fact you condone violence as does the Quran over and over, even Mulsim clerics say that it is OK to beat the wife, to chastise her which means the wife is not equal to the husband, also written many times in the Quran. I am not claiming that non Muslims never abuse their wives but the point is in our law it is illegal and in Sharia it is permitted. That is why we will never accept Islam or Sharia because it is not only based on a non existant mythological being but also against humanity and equal rights for all people.
        To put it another way, a man is also a policeman of his family. As without legitimate use of force society disintegrstes, so does the family.

      • big mess says

        Mar 31, 2014 at 8:13 am

        Rapists don’t teach good ruling. Slave-traffickers don’t teach good philosophy. Merchant-raiders don’t teach good kinship. Murderers don’t teach legitimate use of force. Mad men and child rapists don’t teach good and evil. Not in the Bible, not in any civilised culture. Muhammad was all these things so already your muhammad-trained police force is doomed to fail your family and society.

        Second, not everyone is fit to police a home so you test candidates first. Bible or no Bible, the man may be the only one who needs policing. He so often is.

        What you describe are slave masters and slaves. As a rule of thumb slave masters are much stupider than the people they enslave. It takes an arrogant, blind, ungrateful imbecile to relate in such primitive manner to the woman and the children sharing his life and home!

      • eib says

        Mar 31, 2014 at 8:27 am

        The Bible does not say that the wife is the slave of the husband.
        Nor does it say that the husband will control all her affairs.
        Read Bible?
        Yeah right.
        You’d rather die than read the Bible.
        Remember, you have perfect and final truth.
        Your mind is in the grave.

        • ibn Muslim says

          Mar 31, 2014 at 9:45 am

          Please see http://www.openbible.info/topics/head_of_household

          1 Corinthians 11:3 ESV – But I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a wife is her husband, and the head of Christ is God.

          Genesis 3:16 ESV – To the woman he said, “I will surely multiply your pain in childbearing; in pain you shall bring forth children. Your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over you.”

          Ephesians 5:22 ESV – Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord.

          Ephesians 5:23 ESV – For the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior.

          Colossians 3:18-19 ESV – Wives, submit to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord. Husbands, love your wives, and do not be harsh with them.

          “do not be harsh with them” = harshness is limited to use of small, non-harmful methods, such as beating with a toothpick

        • eib says

          Mar 31, 2014 at 1:11 pm

          The miracles of Jesus Christ, which you deny because you worship profanely, were often done at the request of women and often to help women.
          He was often present at weddings.
          Why?
          Because they were the only gatherings at which women were permitted.
          Your faith is dualistic– women are of the devil, and men are of the transcendent and perfect.
          Hence, you believe that men are perfect and women represent every imperfection of the spirit.
          You are thus given permission to despise women, and you do.
          Yes, you do.

      • eib says

        Mar 31, 2014 at 8:29 am

        Quote:
        How is he to become a just ruler, a philosopher king, if he is not allowed to instill obedience?
        end

        There are no philosopher kings in Islam.
        A philosopher king would not submit.
        He would think for himself and his subjects (the Republic) would also think for themselves.
        Your use of the word is a mockery.
        Islam is a mockery of civilization.
        The Ummah is a mockery of humanity, an evil reflection in an evil mirror.

      • Shane says

        Mar 31, 2014 at 9:02 am

        Yes, the Muslim husband is a brutal cop who beats the perp when she misbehaves. Beating his wife is not the job of the husband, that is a 7th century notion. Isn’t it time that Islam joined the 21st century?

      • ibn Muslim says

        Mar 31, 2014 at 9:27 am

        Allah is greater than any of you. Each man must figure it out for himself how to be a just ruler, a loving husband and a kind father. This is why Islam gives a man latitude to rule his own little kingdom – so that he might spiritually grow and along with him the whole family. The wife can also teach and beat children while brothers can beat their sisters. This is Islam! This is Word of God!

        La illaha il Allah muhummad-ur- rasul Allah.

        • RG says

          Mar 31, 2014 at 10:04 am

          To ‘ibn muslim’ – How completely revealing of you, to always defend the ones in your “religion” who commit the worst atrocities! I don’t suppose it has ever occurred to you that ALL of the non-muslim comments on this website are in condemnation of anyone (both muslim and non-muslim) who resorts to wife beating–BUT YOU DEFEND THE 7TH CENTURY MORONIC PRACTICE!!!!! YOU’RE PATHETIC!!!!!

        • ibn Muslim says

          Mar 31, 2014 at 10:10 am

          > to always defend the ones in your “religion” who commit the worst atrocities!

          Beating your wives with toothpics and other gentle ways is not “atrocity”. Not allowing men to be philosopher kings over their wives and children is an affront to God. You disallow people to grow spiritually!

          Women can be legislators in the parliament, but when it come to family, men are the legislators! Each man must be Plato and Moses, a philosopher king and a lawmaker.

        • St. Michael Defend Us says

          Mar 31, 2014 at 10:13 am

          Whom do the sisters get to beat?
          Seems like an awful lot of beating going on in that household!

        • RG says

          Mar 31, 2014 at 10:21 am

          To ‘ibn muslim’ – YOU SAID, “Oh yes, the Bible is corrupt in many ways, but it is not totally corrupt, otherwise you would not have a religion.”

          The Bible is corrupt in many ways????? So then why even bother to quote from such a reprehensible source????? You actually think you can use God’s Holy Word, the Bible, to back up your filthy koranic mumbo-jumbo!!!! Mohammed was a murdering lunatic pervert (who endorsed homosexuality)–and you call him the PERFECT EXAMPLE OF MANHOOD!!!!! YOU’RE PATHETIC!!!!!

        • RG says

          Mar 31, 2014 at 11:33 am

          To ‘ibn muslim’ – YOU SAID, “Women can be legislators in the parliament, but when it come to family, men are the legislators! Each man must be Plato and Moses, a philosopher king and a lawmaker.”

          Well, that’s all fine and good providing that they (the wives) actually survive the wife-beating, rape and murder (by decapitation) which actually preceeds being “legislators in the parliament”!

          Hey ‘muslim’, how pathetic is it that you actually think you can resort to using quotes from the Bible to back up your imbecilic 7th century rubbish? It’s one thing to quote the ancient truths spoken by God and his prophets, but it’s quite another thing to cling to the demented philosphies of a reprobate criminal, i.e. Joseph Stalin, Adolf Hitler, Charles Manson, Rev. Jim Jones, David Koresh, and YOUR FAVORITE–mo-ham-head (may the raging searing flames of the abyss never cease to consume him)!!! Everything about mohammed proved that he was a misogynist perverted murderer, who hated God’s beloved decendants of the chosen seed of Abraham–ISAAC! Your very hatred of the Jews is proof positive of the wickedness of your faux “religion”!!!! Just FYI, God actually loves the Jews! I know that comes as a shocker to your 7th century mind set, but oh well, who knew???? Oh yeah, God actually loves muslims too, if any of you would stop hating your Jewish brothers long enough to actually listen to what God has to say about the matter!!!!! Try reading the Book of Genesis, for starters!
          P.S. The Bible, the Book that you think you can use to support your perverse false “prophet”, with the exception of ONE BOOK, WAS ACTUALLY WRITTEN IN ITS ENTIRETY, BY JEWS!! BY JEWS!!! IMAGINE THAT! WHO KNEW?????

        • Henry says

          Mar 31, 2014 at 3:15 pm

          ibn Muslim, why did Allah choose Muhammed as’prophet’ ,an old man with no compunction about rubbing his penis on the thighs of a six year old girl to get himself off?

        • thomas_h says

          Mar 31, 2014 at 5:08 pm

          “Allah is greater than any of you.”

          Oh, yeah? Does he say so? What a bragging ass!

          Anyway, if he does, I challenge your Allah to meet me outside the Kennedy’s Irish Bar. From there we can proceed to a quiet place a few minutes away where we can establish who is greater through an honest fist fight. No kicking , or biting, or thunderbolts, or floods… I am not in my old form anymore, but I think I’ll manage to kick the shit out of your cosmic mickey-mouse within first three minutes of the fight.
          I’m taking a friend with me who will make a video of the fight. I promise to put it on the U-Tube regardless of the result.

          Ah, here is the address of the bar:
          Gammel Kongevej 23 1610 Copenhagen V, Denmark
          tel. 45 33 31 52 49

          Tell him to call if he is delayed. The barman knows me and is aware of the meeting. If he doesn’t call and doesn’t show up I will have to conclude that he is big-mouth good-for-nothing coward and anybody believing he is a god is an imbecile.

        • Champ ✞ says

          Mar 31, 2014 at 5:15 pm

          ibn muslim wrote:

          “Allah is greater than any of you.”

          How many times do I have to tell you? …you poor deluded lost soul …that allah is NOT the God of the Bible:

          http://www.kingmessiahproject.com/is_allah_not_God.html

      • Angemon says

        Mar 31, 2014 at 9:39 am

        ibn Muslim, the devil’s advocate, posted:

        “You are clueless as to the meaning of those verses, the devil has blinded your mind.”

        So why don’t you explain to us what the verses endorsing the beating of women mean and those verses comparing women to a field mean?

        “A man is the head of the household (read Bible!)”
        So, we need to rad the Bible to understand verses in the quran? You know that according to islamic orthodoxy the Bible is considered to be corrup, right? You said so yourself.

        “Knowledge of good and evil has to be experienced and it is Adam in whose throat the burden is placed.”

        According to islamic orthodoxy, the fruit was supposed to make humans be like angels or immortals, not provide the knowledge of good and evil. Once again, you’re getting your sources mixed. You know, foe someone calling himself a muslim you’re resorting to purposeful misunderstanding biblical texts to back your claims way often. Shouldn’t you defend islam using, you know, islamic sources and views?

        • ibn Muslim says

          Mar 31, 2014 at 9:50 am

          > So why don’t you explain to us what the verses endorsing the beating of women mean and those verses comparing women to a field mean?

          I have already explained that beating is to instill obedience. A good wife is an obedient wife. Read posts above.

          Woman is like a field – man puts his seed into a woman, and the fruit of the womb comes out. Didn’t you have SexEd is school?

          Oh yes, the Bible is corrupt in many ways, but it is not totally corrupt, otherwise you would not have a religion. Have you ever read Leviticus?

        • Angemon says

          Mar 31, 2014 at 1:19 pm

          The hilarious ibn Muslim posted:

          “I have already explained that beating is to instill obedience.”

          When you were called on islam allowing the beating of women you said other people were “clueless” about their meaning. Now you’re saying those verses allow the beating of women. You’re going back and forth like a tennis ball, but in the end you condone the beating of women.

          “Oh yes, the Bible is corrupt in many ways, but it is not totally corrupt, otherwise you would not have a religion. Have you ever read Leviticus?”

          I’m agnostic so no, i don’t have a religion. You claim the Bible is corrupt, but not totally, so burden of proof is upon you. Start by providing an non-corrupt version and we’ll go from there. You also claim that a religion can’t come from texts that are totally corrupt, so by your own claim then all the other religions (judaism, jedism, dudeism, fonzieism, zorostrianism, buddhism, hinduism, sikhism, etc.) have texts that come directly from God, so bring forth evidence that all other texts are corrupt too, otherwise you have no choice but to leave islam.

        • ibn Muslim says

          Mar 31, 2014 at 2:05 pm

          Angemon, before the invention of print, manuscripts had to be copied by hand. You know that?

          And there were scribes who didn’t like one thing or another and they “improved” the teachings. The false teaching is the one about “let the one without sin throw the first stone”. This abrogares the whole concept of law, punishment and policing. No, the harlot should have been stoned to physical death – to avoid spreading the corruption in the land, which causes spiritual death.

          It’s not only Muslims, it is also Mormons, such as Mitt Romney and Harry Reid that believe that original teachings of Jesus were corrupted and that Joseph Smith restored Christianity into its original form.

        • Angemon says

          Mar 31, 2014 at 2:47 pm

          The increasingly hilarious ibn Muslim posted:

          “Angemon, before the invention of print, manuscripts had to be copied by hand. You know that?

          And there were scribes who didn’t like one thing or another and they “improved” the teachings. The false teaching is the one about “let the one without sin throw the first stone”.”

          I asked you to prove how and when the Bible was corrupted, which was you claim. Which scribe changed what when? For example, if i were to say that the quran as it is today is corrupted, i’d say it was when Uthman burned all the versions he didn’t like, which is what islamic sources say.
          Anyway, you now have to prove how, when and why one single scribe changed the Bible and how he made it so that all other Bibles in existence at the time were also changed.

          “It’s not only Muslims, it is also Mormons, such as Mitt Romney and Harry Reid that believe that original teachings of Jesus were corrupted”

          Saying that mormons believe the Bible to be corrupted does not prove your claim. BTW, what do the mormons say about the quran claiming to be the same revelations that were originally in the Bible? If they disagree with it then, by your own logic, the quran is corrupted. And since Mormonism is more recent than islam then, going by your logic, islam is as corrupted as christianity. Otherwise, why would God have sent Joseph Smith to preach his true word.

          Seriously, you must own stock in a shovel company, because you keep digging yourself deeper and deeper.

          “ and that Joseph Smith restored Christianity into its original form.”

          Is the book of Mormon the same as the quran? If not, then i don’t see why you’re bringing it up. If it’s true that the Bible was corrupted and the Mormons uncorrupted it and it’s not the same as the quran then the quran is still false. If the Mormons are wrong then they’re a corrupt off-shot of christianity. In either case, it does nothing to prove your claim that the bible was corrupted. Burden of proof is still upon you. Prove why, when and how the Bible was corrupted. Start by bringing a non-corrupted version. It’s a fair request, since you claim to know which parts were corrupted and which parts were not corrupted.

          BTW, who do Mormons consider to be the premier figure of their religion, muhammad or Jesus Christ?

        • RG says

          Mar 31, 2014 at 8:25 pm

          To ‘Angemon’ – “Hilarious” doesn’t half-way describe the muslim system of “intellect”! They’ve convinced themselves that a pedophile is the “perfect man” and that he speaks the unalterable eternal word of God Almighty. The only problem with that, is that mohammed was a vicious criminal and everything he taught was a DAMNABLE LIE!!!! YES, IT’S TRULY LAUGHABLE AND WOULD MAKE GREAT FODDER FOR THE LATE NIGHT TALK SHOW HOSTS–EXCEPT THAT THE MUSLIMS COUPLE THEIR IGNORANCE WITH UNBRIDLED BLOOD-LUST!!!! AND THAT AIN’T NO JOKE!!! BUT HERE’S ONE DUDE WHOSE EYES ARE WIDE OPEN, AND THEY (THE MUSLIMS) CAN COUNT ON ME TO STICK A THORN IN THEIR SIDE FOR AS LONG AS THE TRUE AND LIVING GOD GIVES ME BREATH TO BREATHE!!!!!

          ONE THING IS FOR SURE–GOD IS NOT ON THE SIDE OF IGNORANCE AND CRIMINAL ACTIVITY!!!! YES, IT’S TRULY LAUGHABLE HOW UTTERLY ASSININE THEIR ARGUMENTS BECOME WHEN THEY TRY TO JUSTIFY THEIR INSANE IGNORANCE!!!!!

      • ibn Muslim says

        Mar 31, 2014 at 10:13 am

        > Your primitive mindset has no business in any Western nation.

        Luckily the West is at least nominally Christian:

        Ephesians 5:22 ESV – Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord.

        Genesis 3:16 ESV – Your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over you.

      • crawford@kloognome.com says

        Mar 31, 2014 at 12:15 pm

        Neither of which say beating is OK.

      • Nils Eldor says

        Mar 31, 2014 at 12:34 pm

        This imaginary friend in Islam, this Allah, that you believe in him do not give you the right to abuse other people. A wife is a person, she owns herself, she is not the property of a husband and she can do what ever she wants with her life. Islam do not recognize the freedom of women and do not recognize the freedom of religion. I detest the ideas of the 3 demon brothers of the Arab dessert. Humankind will never be free as long as they enslave anyone they lay their hands on.

        • ibn Muslim says

          Mar 31, 2014 at 2:11 pm

          Yes, but you do not even remember you pre-birth existence. Much less you know what happens at the moment when you lose your physical body. Do you own yourself?

  2. enwhitenment says

    Mar 30, 2014 at 11:39 pm

    This planet has seen many civilizations come to pass & the greatest of their time all believed that they were the righteous ones.
    Worship & sacrifice have led to the rise and also the demise of the most powerful at times when faith could not provide alone for the needs of the people.
    On the one hand we are damned to be watching Islam spread it’s misguided influence upon the people & on the other hand we are blessed to witness Islam foment it’s own demise.
    Pakistan is an islamic country & will therefore fail as all countries associated with islam will fail.
    As events around the world testify islam is in a state of chaos & it’s demise is assured by the very voices that promote it.

  3. Mirren10 says

    Mar 31, 2014 at 3:08 am

    “Isn’t it breaking up a family if husband goes to jail for beating up wife,” said veiled woman legislator from Jamiat Ulema-i-Islam-Fazl Fauzia Bibi justifying domestic violence by giving different cultural and religious perspectives.

    She ended up saying the passage of the bill would westernise the society”

    Talk about clutching the chains that bind you.

    So she’s veiled ? I wonder if the veil conceals the marks of hubby’s attentions.

    *Stupid*, evil cow.

    • Shane says

      Mar 31, 2014 at 9:06 am

      Libs in the USA make the same argument for not deporting illegal aliens who have a family in the USA. This is another example of libs and Muslims thinking the same way.

  4. fair_dinkum says

    Mar 31, 2014 at 4:15 am

    some research

    the moslem countries feature prominently in the countries with the lowest i q’s.
    http://www.iqtestforfree.net/average-IQ-by-country.html

    women in islam are bewildering. they have to stand up for themselves. its a little treacherous.. my guess is that most women use blame and subterfuge on a daily basis (within the family) to avoid being hit . or they say things like this to curry favour with male colleagues and counterparts. maybe a man just told her to say it..

    girls, you need to riot.

  5. duh_swami says

    Mar 31, 2014 at 5:21 am

    Wife beating is hypocrisy. The hubby gives to the wife what he does not want for himself. Allah gives Mahoundian hubby’s the right to be hypocrites. Love does no violence. Love and attack cannot exist at the same time in the same place.
    Beating ones wife is proof that love does not exist, but macho egoism does.
    The husband who maintains a right to beat his wife desires to own slaves.
    In practical terms, it means pious Mahoundians are not good choices for husbands. There may be a few winners in the bunch, but the majority are power hungry losers, who should be avoided.

  6. duh_swami says

    Mar 31, 2014 at 5:46 am

    The man of the house…Benevolent King, or despotic ruler? Exactly when does a benevolent king, act with violence?
    Quran 4:34 was written at a tine when Allah was having trouble keeping Lilith home at night. After all, she is Queen of the Night Demons. He tried reasoning with her, he kicked her out of bed, finally he resorted to beating her with a toothpick. That helped some but she still sneaks out a window at night when Allah is asleep.

    • RG says

      Mar 31, 2014 at 8:55 pm

      To ‘duh_swami’ – I wait with bated breath for the next episode of your account concerning “Lilith and Allah”. OMG, do these dumb-ass inbreds actually have that kind of stupidity in their book of excrement? I mean, what kind of a mentally deficient sociopath actually believes in a god who can’t control his “wife”, much less beats her with a “toothpick”? I actually thought ‘ibn muslim’ made the part up about ‘beating their wives with a toothpick’! Wow, tell me more, please! allah must really be a ‘powerful’ god! HOW PATHETIC CAN YOU GET?????
      Let me post this comment, quick, before I split my sides and fall out of my chair rolling in the floor!!!!
      P.S. THANKS FOR THE LAUGH!!!!!

      • PJG says

        Mar 31, 2014 at 11:41 pm

        Toothpick? That’s a sneaky translation, if it comes from Muslims. It was carefully translated to “toothbrush” for a while (ie the STICK they use in those Middle eastern countries to clean their teeth, a stick which could inflict considerable pain), and now it is “toothpick” as if Allah was just joking around when he said a man can beat his wife.

        What next, Muslims? Will “send her to beds apart” now mean she has to go to her room and play with her toys?

  7. big mess says

    Mar 31, 2014 at 6:37 am

    Shall we help Pakistan de-westernise, starting with the removal of most weapons especially nuclear, then every single product derived from Western (& Chinese, Russian, Indian, etc) science and culture? Planes, buses, cars, computers, phones, electricity, medicine. Let’s keep doors locked around their superior “eastern” civilisation least we corrupt them. Rugs, blades, ropes and stones are all they need to celebrate the great eastern lallah in the sky.

  8. Charli Main says

    Mar 31, 2014 at 7:29 am

    Rape your wife whenever the fancy takes you because she is YOUR field to plough.
    If she is unwell or tired, batter her and send her to her couch until she learns that YOU are her master.
    It unbelievable that Muslim women put up with this stone age shit

  9. Rezali Mehil says

    Mar 31, 2014 at 8:13 am

    Hello all,

    Wife beating is wrong, wrong wrong. …so we are all agreed on that bit.

    The way you people carry on however is that you have solved this problem. So I ask whether there is no wife beating in Western society. The answer is there is plenty of it going on…so you don’t have the answers…you never have…..all you have is that Muslims beat their wives more ….is even that true?

    Well no it isn’t…muslimahs are the most fervent supporters of this (divine) law…i.e. because (like me) they know their place in the wider context.

    One has to live by some norms, rules and regulations. Western women mostly by their own admission want an equality that in reality does not and cannot exist. It is statistical fact that women are less intelligent (their brains weigh less) , and are more prone to make emotional decisions rather than logical ones.

    Western society has lost it’s marbles – trying to give equality where it cannot exist , look at those gays getting married last weekend …it has shamed your Lord, undermined your churches and their figureheads , just so you can show a couple of blokes kissing in public.

    Think and look at the effect that it will be having on your young …you ARE the real fiends in this sage…but you PICK on Islam to Deflect you own loose screws.

    How many men can really say that they even have SOME semblance of control over their wives…the smallest argument …and it’s off to the divorce courts….if not then the man has to live life on terms dictated by the wife ….indeed it is THAT scenario that PROMOTES wife beating ….NOT Islam.

    In Islam the women knows her place …which is dictated by Allah SWT NOT by the man….everything is OK ….you don’t break something that is already fixed…but then you disregard kuffar….

    More Later…

    Rezali

    • eib says

      Mar 31, 2014 at 8:30 am

      In the West, the woman knows her place can change.
      Islam is profane.

    • Mirren10 says

      Mar 31, 2014 at 9:37 am

      rezali, rezali, rezali !

      Where to start ? You just never seem to learn. Well, that’s because you’re a mohammedan. (How’s the beard doing, by the way ? Keeping that bit under the nose, and above the top lip (same place, dumbo) nice and smooth and hairless ? ) Good.

      Still toxic and shameful, eh, ‘rezali’ ? ( been beating up the ‘wives’ a bit, in case they’re disobedient ? Still worried about all those ”pointing fingers and whispers” from your ‘community’ ?)

      Putting you in your place is like shooting fish in a barrel, but someone’s got to do it.

      ”The way you people carry on however is that you have solved this problem. So I ask whether there is no wife beating in Western society. The answer is there is plenty of it going on…so you don’t have the answers…you never have…..all you have is that Muslims beat their wives more”

      Yep, physical and emotional abuse by bullies of those weaker than themselves unfortunately happens in all societies and cultures. But here’s the difference, Mr mohammedan who’s renting a brain cell today; **in the West such behaviour is a crime**, and when the perpetrators are caught, they are **punished** !

      In **your** foul cult, it is condoned, even praised. Even in pakiland though, **some** people are attempting to criminalise such behaviour, but note the proviso; that it doesn’t ”conflict with islam”. And a stupid and malevolent bint ( bit like you, if you were a woman) with a veil is putting up blocks because ”“Isn’t it breaking up a family if husband goes to jail for beating up wife,” and ”the passage of the bill would westernise the society.”

      And that’s why you mohammedans will never ”solve this problem”.

      ”…..all you have is that Muslims beat their wives more ….is even that true”.

      Betcha. Just google it. Oh, and 91% of ‘honour’ murders worldwide are carried out by mohammedans – google that, too.

      ”Well no it isn’t…muslimahs are the most fervent supporters of this (divine) law…i.e. because (like me) they know their place in the wider context”

      Well, that’s true enough ! Because women **should** ‘know their place’, right ? And if they try to move out of it, they **deserve** to be beaten up, right ? Gotcha.

      ”One has to live by some norms, rules and regulations.”

      Yep. Couldn’t agree more. Difference is, in the West, the norms, rules, and regulations apply to **all**; in the West, people are equal before the **law**.

      We don’t accept that men should have more rights than women, just because they’re men.

      ” Western women mostly by their own admission want an equality that in reality does not and cannot exist. ”

      Crap. Western women want equality before the **law**. And in the West, it **does** exist. In mohammedan cess pits ? Nope.

      ” It is statistical fact that women are less intelligent (their brains weigh less) , and are more prone to make emotional decisions rather than logical ones.”

      This is just so witless I thought for one moment you were making a joke, then I remembered ”there is no humour in islam”.

      My brain weighs less than a man’s, so that makes the man more intelligent ? 🙂 My brain weighs less than an elephant’s, but I’ll bet you can’t teach an elephant to drive a car, or memorise the multiplication tables. You need to learn a bit of biology; the actual **weight** of a brain has no bearing on intelligence.

      ” … and are more prone to make emotional decisions rather than logical ones”

      Uh huh. So men never make decisions based on emotion ? You might want to read mein kampf, your hero was always making decisions based on emotion. Equally, I don’t think Maggie Thatcher made many emotionally based decisions.

      Truth is, rezali me old son, both men **and** women can be swayed by emotion; it’s what makes us human.

      ” Western society has lost it’s marbles – trying to give equality where it cannot exist , look at those gays getting married last weekend …it has shamed your Lord, undermined your churches and their figureheads , just so you can show a couple of blokes kissing in public.”

      What has that got to do with men physically and emotionally abusing women ? Not very logical, rezali. Hey, maybe you really **are** a woman !

      ”Think and look at the effect that it will be having on your young …you ARE the real fiends in this sage…but you PICK on Islam to Deflect you own loose screws.”

      Yeah, much better to hang them, or throw them off tall buildings, right, rezali ? Like the hypocritical mohammedans do, bacha bazi boys ring a bell ?

      ”How many men can really say that they even have SOME semblance of control over their wives…the smallest argument …and it’s off to the divorce courts….if not then the man has to live life on terms dictated by the wife ….indeed it is THAT scenario that PROMOTES wife beating ….NOT Islam”

      The above really lays bare your, and mohammedans in general, vicious pathology.

      For mohammedans, it’s all about **control**. The idea that a married couple would neither of them seek to control the other, just has no place in your minds.

      And your premise that ”the man has to live life on terms dictated by the wife ….indeed it is THAT scenario that PROMOTES wife beating ….NOT Islam” just underlines what I already noted; in your nasty little world, disobedient wives get what’s coming to them, right, rezali ?

      ”In Islam the women knows her place …which is dictated by Allah SWT NOT by the man….”

      ‘allah’ doesn’t exist. And it was a man (I use the term loosely), mohammed, who made up the foul screed you call the Koran, to sacralise his own evil and greedy desires.

      Poor old rezali, beaten again, even when you’re trying your hardest ! But don’t stop posting, your braindead maunderings have some entertainment value.

      More later, chumbawumba !

      • Defcon 4 says

        Apr 1, 2014 at 3:00 pm

        @Mirren10

        That was excellent. I particularly liked the parting reference to
        chumbawumba.

    • ibn Muslim says

      Mar 31, 2014 at 10:06 am

      > So I ask whether there is no wife beating in Western society. The answer is there is plenty of it going on…so you don’t have the answers…you never have…..all you have is that Muslims beat their wives more ….is even that true?

      In the West you have no wives. You have girlfriends that leave you if you are not to their liking.

      • Mirren10 says

        Mar 31, 2014 at 11:19 am

        ”In the West you have no wives. You have girlfriends that leave you if you are not to their liking”.

        Awww.

        That sounds heartfelt and personal.

        Maybe she didn’t like you punching her around ? Just a thought.

        • PJG says

          Mar 31, 2014 at 6:01 pm

          Mr Muslim doesn’t have a wife either. He likes to have a different woman every night, I believe I remember him saying. He is so insecure that he drops them before they have a chance to leave him. I suppose he calls that “control”.

      • Defcon 4 says

        Mar 31, 2014 at 10:54 pm

        “…you have no wives” as in plural. I’ll bet that’s not a mistake either.

  10. bill says

    Mar 31, 2014 at 8:34 am

    A man who beats a woman is just a bully and a coward and no real man at all. Likewise a man who forces himself on his wife when she doe not desire him, he is a rapist.
    It is obvious women are just for the use of men, witness the famous 72 virgins in paradise. No such provision for women of course.
    It is frequently demonstrated that Muslim men are cowardly as the warriors of Allah or jihadis prefer to murder unarmed people who cannot fight back, witness the Rigby murder. They also prefer mass killing of women and children in market squares.
    It is to be hoped that those 72 virgins are subserviant and I am sure they are, as keepng 72 women under control will be a challenge!

    • shabeer says

      Mar 31, 2014 at 9:59 am

      @bill
      wife beat prohibited:
      Dawud :: Book 11 : Hadith 2138
      Narrated Mu’awiyah ibn Haydah:
      I said: Apostle of Allah, how should we approach our wives and how should we leave them? He replied: Approach your tilth when or how you will, give her (your wife) food when you take food, clothe when you clothe yourself, do not revile her face, and >>>>>>do not beat her<<<<,<>>one who has murdered somebody unlawfully<<<>>>>>A person who killed somebody unjustly, was killed (in Qisas,) <<<<<<<<(2) a married person who committed illegal sexual intercourse and (3) a man who fought against Allah and His Apostle, and deserted Islam and became an apostate."
      Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 83 :: Hadith 6
      Narrated 'Abdullah:
      The Prophet said, "No human being is killed unjustly, but a part of responsibility for the crime is laid on the first son of Adam who invented the tradition of killing (murdering) on the earth. (It is said that he was Qabil).
      Muslim :: Book 16 : Hadith 4156
      'Abdullah (b. Mas'ud) reported: Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) having said: No person who is killed unjustly, but the share of (this offence of his also) falls upon the first son of Adam, for he was the first to introduce killing.
      Dawud :: Book 39 : Hadith 4487
      ……..I heard the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) say: It is not lawful to kill a man who is a Muslim except for one of the three reasons: Kufr (disbelief) after accepting Islam, fornication after marriage, or wrongfully killing someone, for which he may be killed. ……………………
      Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 83 :: Hadith 21
      Narrated Ibn 'Abbas:
      The Prophet said, "The most hated persons to Allah are three: (1) A person who deviates from the right conduct, i.e., an evil doer, in the Haram (sanctuaries of Mecca and Medina); (2) a person who seeks that the traditions of the Pre-lslamic Period of Ignorance, should remain in Islam (3) and a person who seeks to shed somebody's blood without any right."
      Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 92 :: Hadith 423
      Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 83 :: Hadith 2,3,6,9, 17, 19,37,
      Bukhari :: Book 8 :: Volume 82 :: Hadith 840
      Bukhari :: Book 8 :: Volume 73 :: Hadith 8
      Bukhari :: Book 5 :: Volume 58 :: Hadith 194 ,233
      Bukhari :: Book 5 :: Volume 59 :: Hadith 628
      Bukhari :: Book 4 :: Volume 51 :: Hadith 28
      Bukhari :: Book 3 :: Volume 48 :: Hadith 821
      Muslim :: Book 43 : Hadith 7171,7172,7173
      Muslim :: Book 16 : Hadith 4152,4154
      Muslim :: Book 20 : Hadith 4555
      Dawud :: Book 35 : Hadith 4247
      Killing innocent people prohibited:
      49: 6. O you who believe! If a rebellious evil person comes to you with news, verify it, lest you harm people in ignorance, and afterwards you become regretful to what you have done.
      17:33. and do not kill anyone which Allah has forbidden, except for a just cause. And whoever is killed (intentionally with hostility and oppression and not by mistake), We have given his heir the authority [(to demand Qisâs, Law of Equality in punishment or to forgive, or to take Diya (blood money)]. But let him not exceed limits in the matter of taking life (i.e he should not kill except the killer only). Verily, he is helped (by the Islamic law).
      Malik :: Book 21 : Hadith 21.3.10
      Do not kill women or children or an aged, weak person,Do not cut down fruit-bearing trees.Do not destroy an inhabited place. Do not slaughter sheep or camels except for food. Do not burn bees and do not scatter them. Do not steal from the booty,
      Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 93 :: Hadith 611,623
      Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 83 :: Hadith 10 , 12,21
      Killing innocent is a symbol of ignorance [lack of religious knowledge]:
      Muslim :: Book 34 : Hadith 6458
      Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: (When) the time would draw close to the Last Hour, knowledge would be snatched away, turmoil would be rampant, miserliness would be put (in the hearts of the people) and therewould be much bloodshed. They said: What is al-harj? Thereupon he said: It is bloodshed.
      Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 88 :: Hadith 185
      Narrated Abu Musa:
      The Prophet said, "Near the establishment of the Hour there will be days during which (religious) knowledge will be taken away (vanish) and general ignorance will spread, and there will be Al-Harj in abundance, and Al-Harj means killing."
      Bukhari :: Book 1 :: Volume 3 :: Hadith 85
      Narrated Abu Huraira:
      The Prophet said, "(Religious) knowledge will be taken away (by the death of religious scholars) ignorance (in religion) and afflictions will appear; and Harj will increase." It was asked, "What is Harj, O Allah's Apostle?" He replied by beckoning with his hand indicating "killing."
      Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 88 :: Hadith 183
      Narrated Anas:
      Allah's Apostle said, "From among the portents of the Hour are (the following):
      1. Religious knowledge will be taken away (by the death of Religious learned men).
      2. (Religious) ignorance will prevail.
      3. Drinking of Alcoholic drinks (will be very common).
      4. There will be prevalence of open illegal sexual intercourse.
      Bukhari :: Book 1 :: Volume 3 :: Hadith 80
      Muslim :: Book 41 : Hadith 6903
      Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 88 :: Hadith 187
      Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 88 :: Hadith 184
      Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 88 :: Hadith 237
      Bukhari :: Book 1 :: Volume 3 :: Hadith 85
      [Islam the religion of knowledge]
      Muslim :: Book 20 : Hadith 4554
      It his been narrated through a different chain of transmitters, on the authority of Hudhaifa b. al-Yaman who said: Messenger of Allah, no doubt, we had an evil time (i. e. the days of Jahiliyya or ignorance) and God brought us a good time (i. e. Islamic period) through which we are now living Will there be a bad time after this good time? He (the Holy Prophet) said: Yes. I said: Will there be a good time after this bad time? He said: Yes. I said: Will there be a bad time after good time? He said: Yes.
      Does not shed unlawful blood:
      Dawud :: Book 35 : Hadith 4257 , 59
      Bukhari :: Book 3 :: Volume 34 :: Hadith 299
      Malik :: Book 43 : Hadith 43.19.13
      Muslim :: Book 16 : Hadith 4158
      Bloodshed completely prohibited:
      2:83. And (remember) when We took a covenant from the Children of Israel, (saying): Worship none but Allah (Alone) and be dutiful and good to parents, and to kindred, and to orphans and Al-Masâkîn (the poor), and speak good to people, and perform As-Salât (Iqâmat-as-Salât), and give Zakât. Then you slid back, except a few of you, while you are backsliders. (Tafsir Al-Qurtubî, Vol. 2, Page 392).
      2:84. And (remember) when We took your covenant (saying): Shed not the blood of your people, nor turn out your own people from their dwellings. Then, (this) you ratified and (to this) you bear witness.
      2:85. After this, it is you who kill one another and drive out a party of you from their homes, assist (their enemies) against them, in sin and transgression. And if they come to you as captives, you ransom them, although their expulsion was forbidden to you. Then do you believe in a part of the Scripture and reject the rest? Then what is the recompense of those who do so among you, except disgrace in the life of this world, and on the Day of Resurrection they shall be consigned to the most grievous torment. And Allah is not unaware of what you do.
      2: 86. Those are they who have bought the life of this world at the price of the Hereafter. Their torment shall not be lightened nor shall they be helped.
      5: 28. "If you do stretch your hand against me to kill me, I shall never stretch my hand against you to kill you, for I fear Allah; the Lord of the 'Alamîn (mankind, jinns, and all that exists)."
      Muslim :: Book 32 : Hadith 6247 ,6248, 6249
      Jabir b. Abdullah reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: Be on your guard against committing oppression, for oppression is a darkness on the Day of Resurrection, and be on your guard against petty mindedness for petty mindedness destroyed those who were before you, as it incited them to shed blood and make lawful what was unlawful for them.
      Muslim :: Book 32 : Hadith 6251
      Abu Huraira. reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: Do you know who is poor? The poor of my Umma would be he who would come on the Day of Resurrection with prayers and fasts and Zakat but (he would find himself bankrupt on that day as he would have exhausted his funds of virtues) since he hurled abuses upon others, brought calumny against others and unlawfully consumed the wealth of others and shed the blood of others and beat others, and his virtues would be credited to the account of one (who suffered at his hand). And if his good deeds fall short to clear the account, then his sins would be entered in (his account) and he would be thrown in the Hell-Fire.
      Muslim :: Book 16 : Hadith 4158
      'Abdullah b. (Mas'ud) reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The first (thing) that will be decided among people on the Day of Judgment will pertain to bloodshed.
      Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 83 :: Hadith 4,7 ,8
      Bukhari :: Book 3 :: Volume 34 :: Hadith 440

      killing of women and children

      Women/children killing prohibited:
      Bukhari 4.52.256
      [killing girl prohibit]
      Malik :: Book 21 : Hadith 21.3.10
      Do not kill women or children or an aged, weak person,Do not cut down fruit-bearing trees.Do not destroy an inhabited place. Do not slaughter sheep or camels except for food. Do not burn bees and do not scatter them. Do not steal from the booty,
      Bukhari :: Book 4 :: Volume 52 :: Hadith 257,58
      Narrated Ibn 'Umar:
      During some of the Ghazawat of Allah's Apostle a woman was found killed, so Allah's Apostle forbade the killing of women and children.
      Bukhari :: Book 5 :: Volume 58 :: Hadith 232
      Narrated 'Ubada bin As-Samit:
      ……….you will not worship anything besides Allah, will not steal, will not commit illegal sexual intercourse will not kill your children, will not utter; slander, invented by yourself, and will not disobey me if I order you to do something good. Whoever among you will respect and fulfill this pledge, will be rewarded by Allah. And if one of you commits any of these sins and is punished in this world then that will be his expiation for it, and if one of you commits any of these sins and Allah screens his sin, then his matter, will rest with Allah: If He will, He will punish him and if He will,. He will excuse him." So I gave the pledge of allegiance to him for these conditions.
      Dawud :: Book 14 : Hadith 2608
      Narrated Anas ibn Malik:
      The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Go in Allah's name, trusting in Allah, and adhering to the religion of Allah's Apostle. Do not kill a decrepit old man, o a young infant, or a child, or a woman; do not be dishonest about booty, but collect your spoils, do right and act well, for Allah loves those who do well.
      Muslim :: Book 19 : Hadith 4294
      Fight in the name of Allah and in the way of Allah. Fight against those who disbelieve in Allah. Make a holy war, do not embezzle the spoils; do not break your pledge; and do not mutilate (the dead) bodies; do not kill the children.
      Malik :: Book 21 : Hadith 21.3.9
      Dawud :: Book 41 : Hadith 5128,28
      Bukhari :: Book 1 :: Volume 2 :: Hadith 17
      Malik :: Book 55 : Hadith 55.1.2
      Malik :: Book 21 : Hadith 21.3.8, 21.3.9
      Muslim :: Book 19 : Hadith 4319,4320, 4456, 4457, 4458, 4460
      Killing children character of non Muslim:
      6: 137. And so to many of the Mushrikûn their (Allah’s so-called) "partners" have made fair-seeming the killing of their children, in order to lead them to their own destruction and cause confusion in their religion. And if Allah had willed they would not have done so. So leave them alone with their fabrications.
      140. Indeed lost are they who have killed their children, from folly, without knowledge, and have forbidden that which Allah has provided for them, inventing a lie against Allah. They have indeed gone astray and were not guided.
      ……………………………………………………………………………………………………..

      • PJG says

        Mar 31, 2014 at 6:05 pm

        “Do not kill women or children or an aged, weak person,Do not cut down fruit-bearing trees.Do not destroy an inhabited place. Do not slaughter sheep or camels except for food. Do not burn bees and do not scatter them. Do not steal from the booty,”

        That these things need to be said is, as gravenimage would say, “grimly hilarious”.

        Notice it says “do not steal from the booty”, in other words do not pilfer from the booty your group has already stolen.
        Yeah, Muslims, be good!!!!

      • Defcon 4 says

        Apr 1, 2014 at 3:04 pm

        The longer the islamic rant, the bigger the lie.

  11. duh_swami says

    Mar 31, 2014 at 9:00 am

    So I ask whether there is no wife beating in Western society.

    Certainly there is, but it is not sanctioned by God. In the west, it is not only NOT your right, you can be arrested for it. This is not about what western people do, you are obfuscating.

  12. shabeer says

    Mar 31, 2014 at 9:44 am

    @saleem smith
    Rights of women
    Bukhari :: Book 7 :: Volume 72 :: Hadith 734
    Narrated Ibn ‘Abbas:
    For one year I wanted to ask ‘Umar about the two women who helped each other against the Prophet but I was afraid of him. One day he dismounted his riding animal and went among the trees of Arak to answer the call of nature, and when he returned, I asked him and he said, “(They were) ‘Aisha and Hafsa.” Then he added, “We never used to give significance to ladies in the days of the Pre-lslamic period of ignorance, but when Islam came and Allah mentioned their rights, we used to give them their rights but did not allow them to interfere in our affairs. ………..
    Character of ideal women:
    (60:12)O Prophet! When believing women come to you to give you the Bai’â (pledge), that they will not associate anything in worship with Allah, that they will not steal, that they will not commit illegal sexual intercourse, that they will not kill their children, that they will not utter slander, intentionally forging falsehood (i.e. by making illegal children belonging to their husbands), and that they will not disobey you in any Ma’rûf (Islâmic Monotheism and all that which Islâm ordains) then accept their Bai’â (pledge), and ask Allah to forgive them, Verily, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
    Men are protectors of women:
    4: 34. Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has made one of them to excel the other, and because they spend (to support them) from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient (to Allah and to their husbands), and guard in the husband’s absence what Allah orders them to guard (e.g. their chastity, their husband’s property, etc.). As to those women on whose part you see ill conduct, admonish them (first), (next), refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them (lightly, if it is useful), but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance). Surely, Allah is Ever Most High, Most Great.
    (4:34)Men are the protectors and maintainers of women
    Men and women equal:
    4: 1 O mankind! Be dutiful to your Lord, Who created you from a single person (Adam), and from him (Adam) He created his wife [Hawwa (Eve)], and from them both He created many men and women and fear Allah through Whom you demand your mutual (rights), and (do not cut the relations of) the wombs (kinship). Surely, Allah is Ever an All Watcher over you.
    9: 72. Allah has promised to the believers -men and women, – Gardens under which rivers flow to dwell therein forever, and beautiful mansions in Gardens of ‘Adn (Eden Paradise). But the greatest bliss is the Good Pleasure of Allah. That is the supreme success.
    43: 17. And if one of them is informed of the news of (the birth of) that which he set forth as a parable to the Most Beneficent (Allah) (i.e. of a girl), his face becomes dark, gloomy, and he is filled with grief!
    16: 72,33: 35,33: 58,33,53:21,73,40: 40,42: 49,42: 50 ,47: 19,48:5,6,57:13,18, 48:6,92:3,4:124,75:39,92:3,
    4:19. O you who believe! You are forbidden to inherit women against their will and you should not treat them with harshness, that you may take away part of the Mahr you have given them, unless they commit open illegal sexual intercourse. And live with them honorably. If you dislike them, it may be that you dislike a thing and Allah brings through it a great deal of good.
    48: 5. That He may admit the believing men and the believing women to Gardens under which rivers flow (i.e. Paradise), to abide therein forever, and to expiate from them their sins, and that is with Allah, a supreme success,
    3: 195. So their Lord accepted of them (their supplication and answered them), “Never will I allow to be lost the work of any of you, be the male or female. You are (members) one of another, so those who emigrated and were driven out from their homes, and suffered harm in My Cause, and who fought, and were killed (in My Cause), verily, I will remit from them their evil deeds and admit them into Gardens under which rivers flow (in Paradise); a reward from Allah, and with Allah is the best of rewards.”
    16: 58. And when the news of (the birth of) a female (child) is brought to any of them, his face becomes dark, and he is filled with inward grief!
    59. He hides himself from the people because of the evil of that whereof he has been informed. Shall he keep her with dishonor or bury her in the earth? Certainly, evil is their decision.
    16: 97. Whoever works righteousness, whether male or female, while he (or she) is a true believer (of Islamic Monotheism) verily, to him We will give a good life (in this world with respect, contentment and lawful provision), and We shall pay them certainly a reward in proportion to the best of what they used to do (i.e. Paradise in the Hereafter).
    33: 35. Verily, the Muslims (those who submit to Allah in Islam) men and women, the believers men and women (who believe in Islamic Monotheism), the men and the women who are obedient (to Allah), the men and women who are truthful (in their speech and deeds), the men and the women who are patient (in performing all the duties which Allah has ordered and in abstaining from all that Allah has forbidden), the men and the women who are humble (before their Lord Allah), the men and the women who give Sadaqât (i.e. Zakât, and alms, etc.), the men and the women who observe Saum (fast) (the obligatory fasting during the month of Ramadân, and the optional Nawâfil fasting), the men and the women who guard their chastity (from illegal sexual acts) and the men and the women who remember Allah much with their hearts and tongues (while sitting, standing, lying, etc. for more than 300 times extra over the remembrance of Allah during the five compulsory congregational prayers) or praying extra additional Nawâfil prayers of night in the last part of night, etc.) Allah has prepared for them forgiveness and a great reward (i.e. Paradise).
    40:40. “Whosoever does an evil deed, will not be requited except the like thereof, and whosoever does a righteous deed, whether male or female and is a true believer (in the Oneness of Allah), such will enter Paradise, where they will be provided therein (with all things in abundance) without limit.
    Keep good kind/relation/manners with women:
    Muslim :: Book 8 : Hadith 3468 ,3469
    Muslim :: Book 30 : Hadith 5747
    Women honored:
    16: 58. And when the news of (the birth of) a female (child) is brought to any of them, his face becomes dark, and he is filled with inward grief!
    16:59. He hides himself from the people because of the evil of that whereof he has been informed. Shall he keep her with dishonor or bury her in the earth? Certainly, evil is their decision.
    66: 11. And Allah has set forth an example for those who believe, the wife of Fir’aun (Pharaoh), when she said: “My Lord! Build for me a home with You in Paradise, and save me from Fir’aun (Pharaoh) and his work, and save me from the people who are Zâlimûn (polytheists, wrong-doers and disbelievers in Allah).
    12. And Maryam (Mary), the daughter of ‘Imrân who guarded her chastity; and We breathed into (the sleeve of her shirt or her garment) through Our Rûh [i.e. Jibrael (Gabriel)], and she testified to the truth of the Words of her Lord [i.e. believed in the Words of Allah: “Be!” and he was; that is ‘Iesa (Jesus) ¬ son of Maryam (Mary); as a Messenger of Allah], and (also believed in) His Scriptures, and she was of the Qanitîn (i.e. obedient to Allah).
    21: 91. And (remember) she who guarded her chastity [Virgin Maryam (Mary)], We breathed into (the sleeves of) her (shirt or garment) [through Our Rûh ¬ Jibrael (Gabriel)], and We made her and her son [‘Iesa (Jesus)] a sign for Al-‘Alamin (the mankind and jinns).
    33: 31. And whosoever of you is obedient to Allah and His Messenger SAW , and does righteous good deeds, We shall give her, her reward twice over, and We have prepared for her Rizqan Karima (a noble provision Paradise).
    66: 11. And Allah has set forth an example for those who believe, the wife of Fir’aun (Pharaoh), when she said: “My Lord! Build for me a home with You in Paradise, and save me from Fir’aun (Pharaoh) and his work, and save me from the people who are Zâlimûn (polytheists, wrong-doers and disbelievers in Allah).
    12. And Maryam (Mary), the daughter of ‘Imrân who guarded her chastity; and We breathed into (the sleeve of her shirt or her garment) through Our Rûh [i.e. Jibrael (Gabriel)], and she testified to the truth of the Words of her Lord [i.e. believed in the Words of Allah: “Be!” and he was; that is ‘Iesa (Jesus) ¬ son of Maryam (Mary); as a Messenger of Allah], and (also believed in) His Scriptures, and she was of the Qanitîn (i.e. obedient to Allah).
    Muslim :: Book 8 : Hadith 3465
    Muslim :: Book 31 : Hadith 5965 ,5966, 5967, 5968
    Bukhari :: Book 4 :: Volume 55 :: Hadith 642 ,623
    Women glorified:
    Bukhari :: Book 5 :: Volume 57 :: Hadith 113
    Muslim :: Book 31 : Hadith 6007
    A woman is a guardian of her husband’s house and children
    Bukhari :: Book 3 :: Volume 46 :: Hadith 730, 733
    Muslim :: Book 8 : Hadith 3472 , 71
    Respect women:
    Muslim :: Book 31 : Hadith 6101
    Nice behavior to women:
    Bukhari :: Book 4 :: Volume 55 :: Hadith 548
    Treat women nicely:
    65: 6. Lodge them (the divorced women) where you dwell, according to your means, and do not treat them in such a harmful way that they be obliged to leave. And if they are pregnant, then spend on them till they deliver. Then if they give suck to the children for you, give them their due payment, and let each of you accept the advice of the other in a just way. But if you make difficulties for one another, then some other woman may give suck for him (the father of the child).
    Bukhari :: Book 4 :: Volume 55 :: Hadith 548
    Bukhari :: Book 3 :: Volume 43 :: Hadith 661
    Bukhari :: Book 2 :: Volume 23 :: Hadith 434

  13. shabeer says

    Mar 31, 2014 at 9:57 am

    @bill
    wife beat prohibited:
    Dawud :: Book 11 : Hadith 2138
    Narrated Mu’awiyah ibn Haydah:
    I said: Apostle of Allah, how should we approach our wives and how should we leave them? He replied: Approach your tilth when or how you will, give her (your wife) food when you take food, clothe when you clothe yourself, do not revile her face, and >>>>>>do not beat her<<<<,<>>one who has murdered somebody unlawfully<<<>>>>>A person who killed somebody unjustly, was killed (in Qisas,) <<<<<<<<(2) a married person who committed illegal sexual intercourse and (3) a man who fought against Allah and His Apostle, and deserted Islam and became an apostate."
    Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 83 :: Hadith 6
    Narrated 'Abdullah:
    The Prophet said, "No human being is killed unjustly, but a part of responsibility for the crime is laid on the first son of Adam who invented the tradition of killing (murdering) on the earth. (It is said that he was Qabil).
    Muslim :: Book 16 : Hadith 4156
    'Abdullah (b. Mas'ud) reported: Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) having said: No person who is killed unjustly, but the share of (this offence of his also) falls upon the first son of Adam, for he was the first to introduce killing.
    Dawud :: Book 39 : Hadith 4487
    ……..I heard the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) say: It is not lawful to kill a man who is a Muslim except for one of the three reasons: Kufr (disbelief) after accepting Islam, fornication after marriage, or wrongfully killing someone, for which he may be killed. ……………………
    Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 83 :: Hadith 21
    Narrated Ibn 'Abbas:
    The Prophet said, "The most hated persons to Allah are three: (1) A person who deviates from the right conduct, i.e., an evil doer, in the Haram (sanctuaries of Mecca and Medina); (2) a person who seeks that the traditions of the Pre-lslamic Period of Ignorance, should remain in Islam (3) and a person who seeks to shed somebody's blood without any right."
    Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 92 :: Hadith 423
    Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 83 :: Hadith 2,3,6,9, 17, 19,37,
    Bukhari :: Book 8 :: Volume 82 :: Hadith 840
    Bukhari :: Book 8 :: Volume 73 :: Hadith 8
    Bukhari :: Book 5 :: Volume 58 :: Hadith 194 ,233
    Bukhari :: Book 5 :: Volume 59 :: Hadith 628
    Bukhari :: Book 4 :: Volume 51 :: Hadith 28
    Bukhari :: Book 3 :: Volume 48 :: Hadith 821
    Muslim :: Book 43 : Hadith 7171,7172,7173
    Muslim :: Book 16 : Hadith 4152,4154
    Muslim :: Book 20 : Hadith 4555
    Dawud :: Book 35 : Hadith 4247
    Killing innocent people prohibited:
    49: 6. O you who believe! If a rebellious evil person comes to you with news, verify it, lest you harm people in ignorance, and afterwards you become regretful to what you have done.
    17:33. and do not kill anyone which Allah has forbidden, except for a just cause. And whoever is killed (intentionally with hostility and oppression and not by mistake), We have given his heir the authority [(to demand Qisâs, Law of Equality in punishment or to forgive, or to take Diya (blood money)]. But let him not exceed limits in the matter of taking life (i.e he should not kill except the killer only). Verily, he is helped (by the Islamic law).
    Malik :: Book 21 : Hadith 21.3.10
    Do not kill women or children or an aged, weak person,Do not cut down fruit-bearing trees.Do not destroy an inhabited place. Do not slaughter sheep or camels except for food. Do not burn bees and do not scatter them. Do not steal from the booty,
    Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 93 :: Hadith 611,623
    Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 83 :: Hadith 10 , 12,21
    Killing innocent is a symbol of ignorance [lack of religious knowledge]:
    Muslim :: Book 34 : Hadith 6458
    Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: (When) the time would draw close to the Last Hour, knowledge would be snatched away, turmoil would be rampant, miserliness would be put (in the hearts of the people) and therewould be much bloodshed. They said: What is al-harj? Thereupon he said: It is bloodshed.
    Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 88 :: Hadith 185
    Narrated Abu Musa:
    The Prophet said, "Near the establishment of the Hour there will be days during which (religious) knowledge will be taken away (vanish) and general ignorance will spread, and there will be Al-Harj in abundance, and Al-Harj means killing."
    Bukhari :: Book 1 :: Volume 3 :: Hadith 85
    Narrated Abu Huraira:
    The Prophet said, "(Religious) knowledge will be taken away (by the death of religious scholars) ignorance (in religion) and afflictions will appear; and Harj will increase." It was asked, "What is Harj, O Allah's Apostle?" He replied by beckoning with his hand indicating "killing."
    Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 88 :: Hadith 183
    Narrated Anas:
    Allah's Apostle said, "From among the portents of the Hour are (the following):
    1. Religious knowledge will be taken away (by the death of Religious learned men).
    2. (Religious) ignorance will prevail.
    3. Drinking of Alcoholic drinks (will be very common).
    4. There will be prevalence of open illegal sexual intercourse.
    Bukhari :: Book 1 :: Volume 3 :: Hadith 80
    Muslim :: Book 41 : Hadith 6903
    Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 88 :: Hadith 187
    Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 88 :: Hadith 184
    Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 88 :: Hadith 237
    Bukhari :: Book 1 :: Volume 3 :: Hadith 85
    [Islam the religion of knowledge]
    Muslim :: Book 20 : Hadith 4554
    It his been narrated through a different chain of transmitters, on the authority of Hudhaifa b. al-Yaman who said: Messenger of Allah, no doubt, we had an evil time (i. e. the days of Jahiliyya or ignorance) and God brought us a good time (i. e. Islamic period) through which we are now living Will there be a bad time after this good time? He (the Holy Prophet) said: Yes. I said: Will there be a good time after this bad time? He said: Yes. I said: Will there be a bad time after good time? He said: Yes.
    Does not shed unlawful blood:
    Dawud :: Book 35 : Hadith 4257 , 59
    Bukhari :: Book 3 :: Volume 34 :: Hadith 299
    Malik :: Book 43 : Hadith 43.19.13
    Muslim :: Book 16 : Hadith 4158
    Bloodshed completely prohibited:
    2:83. And (remember) when We took a covenant from the Children of Israel, (saying): Worship none but Allah (Alone) and be dutiful and good to parents, and to kindred, and to orphans and Al-Masâkîn (the poor), and speak good to people, and perform As-Salât (Iqâmat-as-Salât), and give Zakât. Then you slid back, except a few of you, while you are backsliders. (Tafsir Al-Qurtubî, Vol. 2, Page 392).
    2:84. And (remember) when We took your covenant (saying): Shed not the blood of your people, nor turn out your own people from their dwellings. Then, (this) you ratified and (to this) you bear witness.
    2:85. After this, it is you who kill one another and drive out a party of you from their homes, assist (their enemies) against them, in sin and transgression. And if they come to you as captives, you ransom them, although their expulsion was forbidden to you. Then do you believe in a part of the Scripture and reject the rest? Then what is the recompense of those who do so among you, except disgrace in the life of this world, and on the Day of Resurrection they shall be consigned to the most grievous torment. And Allah is not unaware of what you do.
    2: 86. Those are they who have bought the life of this world at the price of the Hereafter. Their torment shall not be lightened nor shall they be helped.
    5: 28. "If you do stretch your hand against me to kill me, I shall never stretch my hand against you to kill you, for I fear Allah; the Lord of the 'Alamîn (mankind, jinns, and all that exists)."
    Muslim :: Book 32 : Hadith 6247 ,6248, 6249
    Jabir b. Abdullah reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: Be on your guard against committing oppression, for oppression is a darkness on the Day of Resurrection, and be on your guard against petty mindedness for petty mindedness destroyed those who were before you, as it incited them to shed blood and make lawful what was unlawful for them.
    Muslim :: Book 32 : Hadith 6251
    Abu Huraira. reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: Do you know who is poor? The poor of my Umma would be he who would come on the Day of Resurrection with prayers and fasts and Zakat but (he would find himself bankrupt on that day as he would have exhausted his funds of virtues) since he hurled abuses upon others, brought calumny against others and unlawfully consumed the wealth of others and shed the blood of others and beat others, and his virtues would be credited to the account of one (who suffered at his hand). And if his good deeds fall short to clear the account, then his sins would be entered in (his account) and he would be thrown in the Hell-Fire.
    Muslim :: Book 16 : Hadith 4158
    'Abdullah b. (Mas'ud) reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The first (thing) that will be decided among people on the Day of Judgment will pertain to bloodshed.
    Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 83 :: Hadith 4,7 ,8
    Bukhari :: Book 3 :: Volume 34 :: Hadith 440

    killing of women and children

    Women/children killing prohibited:
    Bukhari 4.52.256
    [killing girl prohibit]
    Malik :: Book 21 : Hadith 21.3.10
    Do not kill women or children or an aged, weak person,Do not cut down fruit-bearing trees.Do not destroy an inhabited place. Do not slaughter sheep or camels except for food. Do not burn bees and do not scatter them. Do not steal from the booty,
    Bukhari :: Book 4 :: Volume 52 :: Hadith 257,58
    Narrated Ibn 'Umar:
    During some of the Ghazawat of Allah's Apostle a woman was found killed, so Allah's Apostle forbade the killing of women and children.
    Bukhari :: Book 5 :: Volume 58 :: Hadith 232
    Narrated 'Ubada bin As-Samit:
    ……….you will not worship anything besides Allah, will not steal, will not commit illegal sexual intercourse will not kill your children, will not utter; slander, invented by yourself, and will not disobey me if I order you to do something good. Whoever among you will respect and fulfill this pledge, will be rewarded by Allah. And if one of you commits any of these sins and is punished in this world then that will be his expiation for it, and if one of you commits any of these sins and Allah screens his sin, then his matter, will rest with Allah: If He will, He will punish him and if He will,. He will excuse him." So I gave the pledge of allegiance to him for these conditions.
    Dawud :: Book 14 : Hadith 2608
    Narrated Anas ibn Malik:
    The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Go in Allah's name, trusting in Allah, and adhering to the religion of Allah's Apostle. Do not kill a decrepit old man, o a young infant, or a child, or a woman; do not be dishonest about booty, but collect your spoils, do right and act well, for Allah loves those who do well.
    Muslim :: Book 19 : Hadith 4294
    Fight in the name of Allah and in the way of Allah. Fight against those who disbelieve in Allah. Make a holy war, do not embezzle the spoils; do not break your pledge; and do not mutilate (the dead) bodies; do not kill the children.
    Malik :: Book 21 : Hadith 21.3.9
    Dawud :: Book 41 : Hadith 5128,28
    Bukhari :: Book 1 :: Volume 2 :: Hadith 17
    Malik :: Book 55 : Hadith 55.1.2
    Malik :: Book 21 : Hadith 21.3.8, 21.3.9
    Muslim :: Book 19 : Hadith 4319,4320, 4456, 4457, 4458, 4460
    Killing children character of non Muslim:
    6: 137. And so to many of the Mushrikûn their (Allah’s so-called) "partners" have made fair-seeming the killing of their children, in order to lead them to their own destruction and cause confusion in their religion. And if Allah had willed they would not have done so. So leave them alone with their fabrications.
    140. Indeed lost are they who have killed their children, from folly, without knowledge, and have forbidden that which Allah has provided for them, inventing a lie against Allah. They have indeed gone astray and were not guided.

    • voegelinian says

      Mar 31, 2014 at 11:51 am

      What’s with the weird typographical symbols?

      …do not revile her face, and >>>>>>do not beat her<<<<,>one who has murdered somebody unlawfully<<>>>>A person who killed somebody unjustly, was killed (in Qisas,) <<<<<<<<(2) a married person who committed illegal sexual intercourse and (3) a man who fought against Allah and His Apostle, and deserted Islam and became an apostate."

    • Rob Crawford says

      Mar 31, 2014 at 12:18 pm

      Well, there’s one part of your screed I can support: shaBEER!

  14. Christian A. Beltram says

    Mar 31, 2014 at 11:05 am

    Any religion that condones and even requires crimes like wife-beating, rape and slavery is not a religion but a sickening ideology that should be outlawed!

  15. mariam rove says

    Mar 31, 2014 at 12:39 pm

    @ Reza, Shabeer and Ibn….Here is my response to you all which should be every JW reader here: F..off. M

  16. Cindy Mccoy says

    Mar 31, 2014 at 1:30 pm

    It is apparent that the women in the Muslim Brotherhood at the top are treated differently than the ones at the bottom!!!! You can’t tell me that woman was treated badly maybe even beat and says those words. It like the one who married oh, that pervert who was running for mayor in NYC. Weiner that’s him. You don’t get beat and abused and ask for more.

  17. RG says

    Mar 31, 2014 at 2:22 pm

    To ‘Philip Jihadski’ – Thanks for restoring a grain of sanity to this conversation, even if it does involve the inequalities of our American system of justice. Yes, men always take a back seat to the accusations of their women–proven or unproven! It’s ‘guilty until proven guilty beyond all doubt’! That’s because men will always be seen by our American courts as “the provider” who may, or may not be physically present as such. The woman, on the other hand, will forever be regarded as “the nurturer”, who, of a necessity MUST be physically present in order to perform her much needed role in the family. I recently learned of a case in family court where the husband actually won full custody of his son, but that was due to the fact that his wife actually failed to show up at the custody hearings. What a rare case that was! The woman didn’t know what she was giving up–she could have taken him for everything he was worth by just manufacturing a few molestation charges. And just think how rich her lawyer could have become!!! OMG, what were they thinking, or not thinking???

    Hmmm! Somehow it all sounds so analogous to the sleeze tactics used by the muzzies to infiltrate and infest our Western life-style with their 7th century neanderthal diatribes, heresy and lunacy!!!! Just manufacture a pack of lies, and then shroud it all in a cloak of religiosity and piety!!!!! It’s the age-old trick of ‘wolves in sheep’s clothing’!!!!!

  18. RG says

    Mar 31, 2014 at 10:27 pm

    To Philip J – Wow! I’m glad to oblige! Divorce is messy. I actually opted to do my own legal work–and I’m not a lawyer! I actually had two lawyers back down who thought they could bully me with false charges. They usually don’t take it too well when they are accused of committing libel and slander. But I knew God was on my side, and he was! At the time, I was glad I didn’t have any kids–now I’m not so sure.
    Good luck to you and yours!
    RG
    P.S. Thanks for the good word of encouragement. We’re truly in a battle for our lives and I thank God for webites like JW to give us a platform for our defense against the monstrous evil of islam!!! Thank God, the truth always wins in the end!!!!

  19. Christian Soldier. says

    Apr 1, 2014 at 7:44 am

    As Ann Coulter once wrote, we need to kill all the Muslim men and convert the women to Christianity.

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