“In his bedroom, which Cook described as a converted garage, the murder suspect had a copy of the Koran open to a page which talks about homosexuality as a sin.” Nonetheless, “it’s quite unfortunate but he had a real, real warped understanding, in my opinion, of the religion of Islam and its position on the gay lifestyle and what one should do.” Warped in what way? In which version of Sharia does Islamic law not mandate death for lesbians? The Qur’an says: “Those who commit unlawful sexual intercourse of your women – bring against them four [witnesses] from among you. And if they testify, confine the guilty women to houses until death takes them or Allah ordains for them [another] way.” (4:15) The “other ways” that Allah has ordained for them all involve death. Yet nonetheless, even though Cosby left the Qur’an open to a passage condemning homosexuality, “police, though, say they are still searching for a motive in the gruesome crime.” That is the very definition of willful ignorance.
“Texas dad killed daughter, her lesbian lover because he disliked that she was gay: mom,” by Sasha Goldstein for the New York Daily News, March 14 (thanks to David):
A Texas dad disgusted with his daughter’s lesbian lifestyle murdered the young woman and her lover, the girl’s mother said in a shocking twist to a gruesome case.
James Cosby, 46, bludgeoned his daughter Britney Cosby to death and shot her lover, Crystal Jackson, on March 6 before dumping the bodies near the ferry gate in Port Bolivar, Texas, police believe.
The bodies were found near a Dumpster around 7:30 a.m. the next day outside a Fisherman’s Cove food mart.
Both women were 24.
Britney’s mother told KHOU-TV that Cosby was angry his daughter was gay.
Capital murder charges are pending against James Cosby, a registered sex offender released from prison in October, Galveston Sheriff Office Capt. Barry Cook told the Daily News. The murder weapons have not been recovered and Britney Cosby’s recently purchased 2006 Kia Sorento is still missing.
Cops think the car could be a key piece of evidence linking the crime.
But James Cosby is held in jail on a combined $500,000 bond after cops collared the man for tampering with evidence — and he is the prime suspect in at least one of the murders.
His fingerprints were found on a piece of paper on the bodies and pools of blood were found inside Cosby’s Houston home, Cook said.
“At least one murder happened at his house,” Cook said.
Cosby moved in to the home only in October after he was released following a two-year stint in prison. His daughter and her grandmother lived at the home and let him move in.
In his bedroom, which Cook described as a converted garage, the murder suspect had a copy of the Koran open to a page which talks about homosexuality as a sin, family advocate Quanell X told KHOU. The find may give some insight into Cosby’s disturbed mindset, the advocate said.
“It’s quite unfortunate but he had a real, real warped understanding, in my opinion, of the religion of Islam and its position on the gay lifestyle and what one should do,” Quanell X said.
Police, though, say they are still searching for a motive in the gruesome crime.
“We don’t know (that their sexual orientation) was a contributing factor to their deaths,” Cook said. “We haven’t ruled it out, but we haven’t proved it, either.”…
Salah says
“It’s quite unfortunate but he had a real, real warped understanding, in my opinion, of the religion of Islam and its position on the gay lifestyle and what one should do,” Quanell X said.
The religion of Islam and its position on the gay lifestyle is one thing, and the prophet of Islam, his behaviour and his lifestyle is another.
Was Muhammad gay? you be the judge.
http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2012/10/was-muhammad-gay.html
Jay Boo says
There can be no doubt that Muhammad had a stack of ‘revelations’ piled up to cover his frequent hypocrisy.
Defcon 4 says
@JayBoo
Muhahahahahamad, like any despot, tyrant or warlord, wasn’t above murdering anyone who pointed out his revealed hypocrisy.
Mr. Dude says
Yes. In one hadith, Mohammad’s child sex slave (no 6-9 year old enters into sex with a 51-54 year old man voluntarily – she was sold into it by her father after Mohammad pressured him) said that Mohammad’s revelations from “Allah” were very CONVENIENT. “How conveeeeeeeeeeenient!”, the Church Lady of SNL would say.
Defcon 4 says
But Jesus was just as bad (cough, gag).
yamdev says
This news is also published in a gay magazine called “Advocate”.Not surprisingly they haven’t mention religion of murderer and quran
Steffen Unmack says
“family advocate Quanell X”.
I never heard of him so I looked him up. Wikipedia:
“Leader of the New Black Panther Party in Houston, Texas. …a former drug dealer ….served time ….forced out of the Nation of Islam for publicly inciting violence ….Quannel X spoke out against the [11 year old rape] victim claiming she did not do enough to prevent herself from being gang raped [by 18 men].”
Also “Quanell said he became enlightened and apologized for his past statements on Jews ….pleaded with the residents of inner city neighborhoods to stop the “No Snitching” policy ….challenging those within the community who sympathize with Osama bin Laden.”
gravenimage says
Stffen Unmack wrote:
“family advocate Quanell X”.
I never heard of him so I looked him up.
………………………………
As soon as I read “Quanell X” I knew he was a Black Muslim—most likely Nation of Islam.
You often hear about how unorthodox Black Muslims are, to the point where many mainstream Sunni Muslims don’t even consider them Muslim.
And yet we see once against that when it comes to violence and savagery in the name of Islam, that Black Muslims are pretty much indistinguishable from their more orthodox coreligionists.
dumbledoresarmy says
The bloody fruit of “prison da’wa”??
TooLate says
Scary that they are allowed to do dawah in prison. They get these disenfranchised cons all turned around, convincing them to hate the people they should love and love the people that they should hate. As a **former** muslimah, I would run into these prison converts at muslim functions and to say that they were intense is an understatement. The US prison dawah program is very successful. You should watch the Third Jihad, it will give you an insight into how successful it is.
Also, notice how he was in prison as a sex offender? What a hypocrite! It is ok for him to be a perv, but not ok for his kid to find someone to love her? This world is cruel and we all need someone to love us, no matter our sexual orientation.
gravenimage says
Kudos to you for being smart and brave enough to leave Islam, TooLate.
May your username prove to be too pessimistic!
Stephanie says
Allah, Q7:80-84 “… And We rained down on them (people of Lut [homosexuals]) a shower (of brimstone)” Rajam, i.e. stoning to death
http://schnellmann.org/homosexuals-must-be-killed.html
Mr. Dude says
Stephanie, so to be consistent, do you agree with Modern Secular Humanism that ANY religious book that says to kill gays should be purged of it’s hatred of innocent people (gays)? Such as the other books in the Abrahamic faiths? I love being able to be consistent in my beliefs, how about you?
ecosse1314 says
Old poopy pants is back…..what a funny funny man
Kepha says
What’s so wonderful about homosexuals? Their sexual practices are scarcely healthy (the human rectum isn’t as tough as the human uterus), and there’s a very good chance that our normalization of homosexuality will get to the point where orphaned children are commoditized under cover of ‘adoption” to keep the homosexual “community” going (and giving it some young @r$e to indulge itself upon).
Further, if homosexuality is really so beautiful and good, why didn’t its advocates have the courage of conviction to stand up for those “pedophile” priests, who in the “liberated” playbook were only initiating teens (who are ready for sexual experimentation anyway) into that “beautiful” thing? Methinks they themselves know themselves to be utterly in the wrong.
Do you honestly believe that a guy who likes getting the moral equivalent of a prostate exam is healthy, or that one who enjoys giving it out is not cruel?
Mo says
@ Kepha
Absolutely right! I can’t tell you how many times I’ve posted the health risks of the homosexual lifestyle for people, and they simply ignore it and/or start calling names.
Consenting adults are free to do as they wish in private. But demanding that the entire society accept it and call it normal is quite another.
Joe Myers says
I’m a Protestant myself, but to me it seems that it is Catholics, who praise death and sorrow – see their Rosary http://www.rosary-center.org/sorrow.htm
This is as far from true human love as you can get. The same holds true for their celibate priests, monks and nuns.
sybarite123 says
It may be a paradox, but Jesus said, “Greater love hath no man than he give up his life for another.” Jesus Himself embraced death. Why? Because he wanted to save us. Hence death is not always a negative thing. I met a Pilipino man who had left the Catholic religion. He was feeding his young son in a food Court. He sais to me, “I would take a bullet for my son, but I cannot understand how Jesus could die for all mankind.”
So Protestants cannot understand why a Catholic man or woman could renounce the wonderful vocation of Marriage. That renunciation is a certain ‘Death’, no doubt. It is embraced for the sake of humanity.
I might ask, “When you are near death, how will you reconcile your death with an all loving God?” Jesus did. “Father, not my will but yours be done.” Don’t let your death be in vain; offer your death to the Father for all humanity as Jesus did so willingly. A retired Catholic priest in Canada.
Jay Boo says
Joe Myers (Protestant or just an Islam apologist muddying the water and attempting to cause dissention)
voegelinian says
Could be both — insofar as an Islam apologist can be a non-Muslim Useful Idiot which, unfortunately, comes in all flavors and sizes, including Christian, Jew, Hindu, atheist, agnostic, Democrat, Republican…
voegelinian says
To clarify, when I say “could be” both, I’m not giving “Joe Myers” any way out. He is either both (in which cause he’s a Useful Idiot) or he is a Muslim. He cannot be a non-Idiotic Protestant. Not with his idiotic, obscene insult to our intelligence about the rosary, one of the most beautiful and peaceable prayers in the world.
Islamisdeath says
I’m Protestant and it’s my opinion based on the post that he is a muslim. Notice he used a Jewish screen name. Muslim trolls try to use very plain American names when they post. Joe Myers is a very plain Jewish American name.
ecosse1314 says
It is a contemplative exercise to allow you to focus on the sufferings of our Lord. There are also the joyful mysteries. You are not forced to say the rosary so I fail to see your point and what the hell has it to do with the above story.
St. Michael Defend Us says
If you don’t happen to like Catholics, that is your business. I don’t see what relation your dislike of Catholics has to the subject at hand- a muslim father murdering his daughter and her friend. Go to an anti-catholic site and find sympathetic listeners to your misinformation.
St. Michael Defend Us says
So, in YOUR protestant denomination, Jesus was not crucified? He did not suffer the agony in the garden? He was not scourged or crowned with thorns?
And, yes, as another poster noted, there are also the Joyful Mysteries- the Annunciation, the Visitation, the Nativity, the Presentation in the Temple, and the Finding in the Temple. There are also the Glorious Mysteries- the Resurrection, the Ascension, the Pentecost, the Assumption (of Mary into heaven) and the crowning of Mary.
So, in your protestant denomination, none of these events in the life of Jesus are taught?
eib says
Your Protestant denomination is probably Islam.
Mr. Dude says
That’s pretty funny. 🙂 You have a great mind.
Mo says
You must’ve misread the article.
This article was about Muslims and the teachings of their death cult, Islam. (Just like the rest of the site is.)
veggiedog says
This confused me as well. While i do not believe the Vatican is a supporter of Israel, and the are too weak on Islam, i do not believe them in modern times to be murderers. If you are talking about the Crusades, those were barbaric times for all.
eib says
I don’t see Catholics blowing up skyscrapers and leaving 3,000+ dead in their wake.
Muslims love death by killing. And they kill. And kill. And KILL!
Catholics revere God by sorrowing over death and looking to life eternal for the dead. They don’t spend their time killing each other for “honor” or non-Catholics for giggles.
Muslims do kill for giggles. Oh yes. They do.
Clown!
Boston Tea Party says
Ah yes, another great example of the craven, toadying lapdog to Muslims that’s so unfortunately prevalent in the west. He’s happy to kneel down before his Muslim masters and accept their orders. And part of those orders, of course, is that “Whenever any horrific atrocity committed by Muslims in the name of Islam is discussed, make sure you defend Islam by immediately changing the subject and turning the discussion into some kind of attack on Christianity.” Joe Myers does his masters’ bidding well.
Free Speech says
Exactly.
Free Speech says
It’s always nice to have a little liberal dhimmi equivocator show up and educate us about Christianity.
Free Speech says
What is it with you dhimmi liberal conflators? Is it sanctimony? Are you trying to appear intelligent? Are you just a Pharisee? What?
gravenimage says
“Joe Myers” wrote:
I’m a Protestant myself, but to me it seems that it is Catholics, who praise death and sorrow – see their Rosary…
This is as far from true human love as you can get.
…………………………….
Really? Further than murdering your own daughter and her lover?
Just more witless moral equivalence. It isn’t Catholics slaughtering their own children, but pious Mohammdans.
Kepha says
Joe Meyers: If, by blood and gore, you mean the crucifixion, I can’t see how you can be a real Protestant.
One of the big points in both the Lutheran and Reformed types of Protestantism is that is Christ’s work on the cross, his suffering under Pontius Pilate, that makes a complete, eternal (he is, after all, God incarnate), sufficient atonement for the sins of mankind.
As someone who is highly sympathetic to Luther, Zwingli, Calvin, Knox, Bugenhagen, Cranmer, Ridley, and the rest, I have no problems with the crucifixion. Jesus bore our sins in his body on the tree, and as it is appointed to men to die once, and after that, the judgment, so was Christ appointed to bear our sins once and for all on the cross (pastiche of First Peter and Hebrews). I could probably, after a half an hour in a decent library, find a dozen quotes from any of the Reformers stressing the necessity and sufficiency of Christ’s work on the cross for our redemption.
Methinks you’ve been bamboozled by a kind of vapid individualistic moralism which has vitiated most of the major denominations and led to them jettisoning the faith for which De Bres, Tyndale, Kravar, Hamilton, Berquin, Cranmer, and Ridley went to the stake–and in so doing, left large swathes of the Western world prey to the blasphemy that is Islam.
revg says
I am not Catholic either, but it is quite evident that the death and pain described in your linked rosary information is not a general thing, but rather a realization of the excruciating pain Christ endured in His sacrifice for all of us. I don’t see anything extreme in acknowledging that sacrifice. They are not advocating that others commit atrocities.
Mr. Dude says
Jesus did not sacrifice for ME, because I refuse to believe that, by virtue off the mythical “Adam”‘s original sin, I’m a “sinner”. I’m not perfect, but I’m not a “sinner” either.
I reject the “resurrection” as being literally true, as it’s just a metaphor for rebirth. if you believe there are any metaphors in the Bible – because a story seems too absurd to actually be REAL (but would be a good lesson/metaphor), then do the same with the hardest-to-believe story, the “resurrection”.
I reject the other main Abrahamic faith as just an invented tool to get Mohammad more chicks (his invisible friend said that Mohammad and only Mohammad could have more than 4 wives!) and more war booty (Q8:41!). Islam is as see-through as the “ghosts” that religions claim are real.
Justsomebody says
The religion that demands tolerance for any whim of theirs
no matter how asinine, is the most intolerant religion of all.
Of course, one must remember that Islam isn’t here to be
on par or “equal” with any other religion or lifestyle. It is
only to be dominant. Submit or suffer the consequences
and submission has its own horrific consequences as well.
Free Speech says
Exactly.
veggiedog says
The fact that they have not yet ruled out the cause of this murder as being inspired by the Qu’ran. Something terribly wrong with this world, bling eyes will not save anyone.
Free Speech says
It’s typical in the US.
Mr. Dude says
I think we can all agree that RELIGION has caused more wars (and therefore death) than anything else in human history. It also causes a lot of regular murders, too, such as honor killings, etc., especially in Islam. There is an alternative to religion, however, fortunately.
Mo says
@ Mr. Dude –
“I think we can all agree that RELIGION has caused more wars (and therefore death) than anything else in human history. ”
No, we can’t. Because it’s a LIE.
Go spew your lies elsewhere.
revg says
Actually atheistic “humanist” forms of governance have been responsible for more murder, genocide, and torture than any other single source. Islam is trying hard to even things up though.
Daphdong says
Religion has caused more wars (and therefore death)than anything else in Human History?
Soo we do not mention the 16 million that died under Hitler with his Eugenics program (he was not a Catholic but believed in creating a super Race), Or Lenin/Stalin who were responsible for over 80 million deaths of their own people who were not religious unless you count Communism as a religion, Or Mao Tse Tung who killed about the same amount in China, let alone in Tibet and other places. We will not mention Japan’s death count either will we. How about PolPot, the Romans, Genghis Khan, they were not ‘religous wars’, they were about domination.
As for the Crusades, well if Muslim armies had not attempted to conquer Europe and actually entered France, then the Crusades would not have happened either.
The fact is Wars are all about greed, They are all about one people believing they are ‘superior’ than another; about them ‘persuading’ their conquered places that they should take whatever they want.
Mr. Dude says
“They are all about one people believing they are ‘superior’ than another” – Daphdong
I appreciate that feedback.
So then you’ll obviously agree with me that a religion that says that it’s followers are “God’s chosen people” – clearly saying that followers of one religion are superior to another, is not the best way to go, but rather Modern Secular Humanism which bases things on morality/merit/good-works, and not which magic sky fairy one happens to pick, correct?
BTW, Dawkins is a Modern Secular Humanist, and champions DEMOCRACY, unlike those dictators who make the state a form of religion.
mo says
@ Mr Dude
Hey, anti-Christian bigot and troll, where’s my evidence?
You know, that evidence demonstrating to me that the Bible has open-ended commands for either Jews or Christians to commit violence against unbelievers?
And the evidence of Jews or Christians committing those acts on a regular basis, all over the world, in obedience to those open-ended commands?
Any answer? Or just more of your anti-Christian drivel?
duh_swami says
He did his duty to Allah. he redeemed his and his families honor. The brothers down at the mosque are proud of him for being faithful to Allah and Islamic principals. He complied with sharia, he’s in the clear with Allah. But he’s in the hands of kuffar legal authority, which has a different view, and won’t let him off the hook that easy.
Defcon 4 says
@duh_swami
I wonder if there would be any state punishment for “James Cosby” (as if that’s his legal name anymore) for murdering his lesbian daughter and her lover in any islamic state? Somehow, I can’t see this double murder being a crime in Soddy Barbaria, Pakistain, Bangladesh, Somali, Sudan, Mauritania, Yemen, Jordan, Syria, Iraq, Iran etc. because after all Cosby (a strange name to be associated w/islamic honor killings) was just doing his proper islamic duty.
voegelinian says
His Islamic name is “Huxtable” 🙂
Defcon 4 says
LOL, now that was funny.
PRCS says
“It’s quite unfortunate but he had a real, real warped understanding, in my opinion, of the religion of Islam and its position on the gay lifestyle and what one should do,” Quanell X said.
The “civil rights activist” Quanell X (a former crack dealer, member of the Nation of Islam, and founding member of “The New Black Panther Party”) knows exactly what the Qur’an says about homosexuality.
St. Michael Defend Us says
“James Cosby, a registered sex offender released from prison in October”
I guess there’s no saint like a reformed sinner!????
Dirka Dirka Mohammed Jihad says
Here in the US islam is big in the prisons. After all, they get to keep on doing the fun stuff according to islam and its murderours, rapist, child molesting profit (intended misspelling) mohammed, may feces be upon him. I have heard people teaching courses on the teachings of islam in prisons as “prislam”.
Jay Boo says
Looks like Allah is not so powerful after all if he must depend on such slimy characters.
It is amazing that all young Muslim women aren’t lesbian.
George says
How on earth can you describe this man as a “Texas dad”? What nonsense.
Geordie says
This kind of thing is no longer news worthy, it’s so predictable. It would be unusual and therefor more memorable / newsworthy is muslim parents supported their lesbian daughters. I would actually by a hard copy of that newspaper story as a keep-sake. A reminder that the world has not gone completely bat-shit crazy.
Once grown adults turn their backs on the Scientific Method for validation and accept the existence of imaginary sky daddies, everything becomes possible. Even the prejudices of a sixth century paedophile polygamist warlord slave master become acceptable. Crazy retarded bastards.
Mo says
@ Geordie
I don’t know of any religion that promotes an “imaginary sky daddy”. Islam promotes no such thing.
What you want to do is lump all religions together as though they are all the same.
It’s tiresome.
somehistory says
Very tiresome. Christians, Jews, non-religious, and others come here to discuss what those in islam are doing to make the lives of all non-muslims (those who are not murdered) miserable (misery loves company), and some posters come to *lump* all religious people in a pot as though all are the same in their beliefs and goals and practices. It is an attack, not so pure, but very simple…by calling the Creator of mankind a *sky daddy* or *sky fairy*…by equating *allah* with the God of the Bible, they hope to cause dissension among the ranks. Some of us who post are religious, some have stated they are not. But the *lumpers* don’t care. If we are against islamic jihad, they must insult. Very tiresome indeed.
Mr. Dude says
“If we are against islamic jihad, they must insult.”
NO, IF YOU ARE AGAINST ISLAMIC JIHAD I *APPLAUD* YOU. Seriously, Robert/Pamela are doing a great job in discrediting one of the Abrahamic faiths, so I am grateful to them. Honestly. Mohammad must be discredited. The insane belief in supernatural crap must be discredited as well.
Mr. Dude says
Whoa! There is absolutely no more proof that one invisible sky fairy of one Abrahamic faith is any more real than another sky fairy of a different Abrahamic faith! None, my friend! So I’m sorry, but when we all attack Mohammad’s invisible friend (like we all need to do – to discredit the Jihad/Mohammad), the issue will clearly come up about Mohammad’s invisible friend having the same amount of EVIDENCE for his existence as Moses/Matthew’s invisible friends. To hide our head in the sand on this issue is to be intellectually dishonest.
All sky fairies are the same…..they are as true as Santa.
somehistory says
You should do some research on a gentleman by the name of Louis Pasteur. When you have read all about him and his research, his findings, his conclusions, etc., then you can contact Mr. Dawkins and proceed to enlighten him on the *origins of life.*
Mr. Pasteur is very easy to find on the web. Just type in his name. I recommend Encyclopaedia Britannica as a great source.
And one other point: you must prove that a Divine Being does not exist if you expect believers to stop believing. It isn’t going to happen on your assertions alone. And going further, I’ll make the assertion that you cannot prove there is no Creator.
Every house…car, watch, computer, phone, etc. was created by someone…man or woman or both. Nothing just comes into existence even when it’s just ordinary mundane things. More importantly: As Mr. Pasteur proved, life comes only from life.
Islamisdeath says
Ever heard of string theory? Well several avowed atheists who worked on it to the point of proving allternate diminisions and in particular that the universe is so connected that it could not be random but the product of intelligent design became born again Christians. You are the ignorant and deluded one.
Mr. Dude says
Great post! Welcome to this thread!
Yes, it all comes down to which direction the world will head in the century:
1. The Scientific Method (Dawkins/Harris et al).
OR
2. The Jesus/Mohammad Method: faith & superstition.
I chose the one that’s the most CONSISTENT (#1 by far!)
Defcon 4 says
Communist atheists “scientifically” slaughtered unbelievers by the tens of millions.
Mo says
Oh, please, let’s not start with Mr. Dude posting his incoherent and anti-Christian nonsense here again. I thought he’d been banned!
Enough with these trolls!
Mr. Dude says
I usually make a point to condemn Mohammad/Islam in most every post as well (I dislike Mohammad as much as I dislike Jesus), so of course I’m helping out in the great effort on JW to shine the light of truth on the evils of Mohammad.
thomas_h says
“I usually make a point to condemn Mohammad/Islam in most every post”
That’s the problem!
An idiot “condemning” Islam is good PR for Islam and bad PR for the JihadWatch.
Get lost, Poppy Pants.
thomas_h says
I meant Poopy, not Poppy Pants, of course. Sorry, Mr.Dud
Mr. Dude says
“Actually atheistic “humanist” forms of governance have been responsible for more murder, genocide, and torture than any other single source.” – revg
Not Modern Secular Humanists (Dawkins/Harris/Dennett), as they believe in DEMOCRACY all the way. We abhor totalitarian political schemes. Mohammad/Stalin/Jesus all advocated totalitarian political schemes, such as Kings (David, Jesus returning as King, etc.) etc. Clearly Modern Secular Humanism is far superior to Mohammad/Stalin/Jesus, unless of course you’re willing to say that democracy is bad, and that Jesus was right? “Democracy” is mentioned exactly ZERO times in the Bible: “Your search – democracy – did not match any documents. No pages were found containing “democracy”.
http://biblehub.net/search.php?q=democracy
“King” is found untold numbers of times in the Bible.
“Obey your earthly masters”…..thanks, Jesus!
Slavery is ok….thanks, Mohammad!
revg says
Democracy is also mentioned exactly zero times in the US Constitution, and zero times in the constitutions of the 50 states, and zero times in the Declaration of Independence.
By the same token, Woodrow Wilson claimed that there is no essential difference between a democracy and socialism. A famous quote for you…“Democracy is indispensable to socialism.” – Vladimir Lenin. Socialists always like to push democracy, as a means to an end.
Democracy is rule by majority, the rights of the individual are subservient to the majority. The US is a republic, in which the rights of the individual are not beholden to popular vote. Though a democracy and a republic can share similarities, it is the differences that are most important.
As an intellectual, you miss the boat every time. You will never have convincing arguments when you only borrow them from others. You cannot become intelligent by copying and pasting other people’s thoughts.
Pray for a brain, the wizard won’t bring you one. Worse, I doubt you can even scare away crows.
Mr. Dude says
We both dislike socialism, I assure you.
Mr. Dude says
I value your feedback, but I must say that you’ll be more convincing if you tone down the simplistic PERSONAL attacks, and focus on facts, logic, and reason. Study debates, and you’ll see that the winner is usually not someone who can simply INSULT the opposition the most, but the one who brings the most great facts/arguments/respect to the table.
I admire the passion you’ve shown in your posts.
revg says
There is nothing to debate with persons who merely parrot phrases taken from others. Those people, like you, are merely useful idiots. I feel no remorse in letting that be known. It is not a passion.
I merely state the truth about you. I am sorry if you consider the truth to be insulting.
You keep rehashing arguments that no respectable “secular humanist” would try and argue, the refutations are too widely known, before you post your tripe you should look up the “refuted” or “debunked” part too, then you will know better than to keep posting such idiocy.
Enough about you. I give you too much credence in even telling you how mistaken you are.
Mr. Dude says
“Democracy is also mentioned exactly zero times in the US Constitution, and zero times in the constitutions of the 50 states, and zero times in the Declaration of Independence.” – revg
Oh, so those documents champion totalitarianism, like the Bible/Qur’an do? 🙂 No, my friend, of course they don’t. Mohammad/Jesus were not even smart enough to say something as simple as “democracy is the way to go.” Just THINK how much better of a world we’d live in right now if Mohammad/Jesus had said those 6 little words. They clearly were not divine like they claim. Would YOU have said those words, revg, if you had Allah/Jesus’ superhero-powers of allegedly controlling the entire universe? I would of course have. How about you?
revg says
You truly are a simpleton. God bless the simple minded. Have a nice day.
Mr. Dude says
So clearly, like Jesus/Mohammad you would NOT have said those 6 little words. I WOULD have, because as a Modern Secular Humanist I care about humanity and am not afraid of an invisible man in the sky who is so impotent that he can’t even prove his EXISTENCE to a jury-level of proof. Anybody who would NOT have is too fearful to go against the magic man in the sky.
Revg, do you fully condemn Mohammad for saying to kill gays?
revg says
Lenin said those six words. You prefer Lenin to Jesus. Idiot.
Goodbye.
Mr. Dude says
“You know, that evidence demonstrating to me that the Bible has open-ended commands for either Jews or Christians to commit violence against unbelievers? ” – mo
Mo, doesn’t Jesus’ evil teachings that everybody else is so disgusting, so vile, so evil, that they DESERVE(!) torture worse than even mass-murderer-torturer Ted Bundy could ever dream to dish out, regardless of how ethical they were or the good works they did, cause HATRED for people that indirectly can translate into violence? Remove the hatred that Mohammad/Jesus have for the majority of humanity, and I could see a much much peaceful world. There would be no more US defense of the religious-Apartheid supremacist state that keeps “stealing” land, for example.
If Jesus/Mohammad never existed, just THINK of the advances in science, that they teach against (faith, fear, superstition are what they teach), that would have take place: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBxURFAYkQ0
Mo says
So, no evidence.
Just as I thought, since the Bible has no such commands. Nor are Jews or Christians committing such acts in obedience to such commands.
Be gone already. Stop wasting everyone’s time with your drivel.
Mr. Dude says
“Nor are Jews or Christians committing such acts in obedience to such commands.”
They support the Biblically-correct Old Testament belief that Jerusalem is sacred to their belief system. Dawkins does not believe that certain pieces of real estate are more “sacred” to a magic invisible friend than others are. So they support the blight on humanity that the religiously supremacist state in the Middle East. The state sponsored terrorism of that state has resulted in them killing way more Muslims than the Muslims have killed Jews in that war. The Muslims also have behaved badly in that conflict, very badly, as they too have an invisible friend that says they are superior to others, magically. Get rid of the invisible friends and we can solve that War of the Abrahamic Faiths that has been bringing down humanity for far far too long.
veggiedog says
Well said. The bible(s) were written by men, they may have been flawed. God did not descend from a mountain to dictate what would go in. I do not believe much that is in the Bible, it is there because men needed laws to behave properly and in some passages of all Bibles there are sections that show the barbarism of the times they were written. Christians and Jews have learned this (most anyway) and do not kill because it was said in the bible to do so. Tell me what is wrong that Islamists cannot make this distinction? And yes, Mr. Dude may be another of WatchDawg’s signatures, who knows anymore.
Mr. Dude says
I guarantee you I’ve never ever posted on this forum under another name. Never.
thomas_h says
Highly probable. Especially after his comical guarantee. Yes I think Mr. Dud is Watchbitch.
dumbledoresarmy says
I observe that our latest Disruptor, Mr Dude, in a posting above, dismisses Israel – Israel, tiny little Israel – as “the blight on humanity that [is] the religiously supremacist state in the Middle East.”
I observe, also, that Mr Dude said nothing about a “blight on humanity” nor a “religiously supremacist state” in any of the recent threads featuring the Abominable House of Saud; for which entity the descriptors “blight on humanity” and “religiously supremacist state in the Middle East” are completely true and applicable.
But they are not true of Israel.
As far as I am concerned, Mr Dude is an antisemitic fool. Any person who can call the Jewish state of Israel “a blight on humanity” has got rocks in his head.
He fails “the Israel test”.
(I should add that one of the most staunch defenders of Israel at this site, in the past, was and is an atheist. And the redoubtable anticlerical and fiercely secular Conor Cruise O’Brien was a supporter of..Israel. So not all atheists are antisemites. But this one surely is).
He describes Israel’s (in fact remarkably restrained) self-defence against would-be-genocidal Mohammedan Jihad as “state-sponsored terrorism” (not having ever used that phrase to describe, say, the various nefarious activities of bent-on-total-world-domination Islamic Iran, Islamic Saudi Arabia, Islamic Pakistan, or Qatar ) and claims that Israel has killed more Muslims than Muslims have killed Jews, as if this proves that the Jews are in the wrong and the Muslims are in the right.
But somehow I suspect that in World War II more Germans were killed than Englishmen. Does that prove that England, not Germany, was in the wrong?
As far as I am concerned, “Mr Dude” has failed what I call “the Israel test”…and HOW!
Defcon 4 says
@DDA
Patwick Condell expressed the same disdain for Israel that Dood does, although maybe not as fanatically.
Angemon says
Actually, Pat Condell got it right a few years ago:
dumbledoresarmy says
Yep, he did.
http://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_direct_link.cfm/blog_id/38859
Saturday, 5 November 2011
Pat Condell: Support for Palestine means support for Jew-killing
“Never one to sit on the fence, Pat Condell rips into those “bubbleheads” who support the “Palestinian” “cause”.
“Jew-hatred is the cause of Arab Muslim opposition to Israel, and it comes straight from Islam.”
St. Michael Defend Us says
He knows absolutely nothing about Jesus or his teachings, either. He word-searched in the bible for certain words (democracy, king) without any knowledge of the texts or meaning. I think a LOT of these trolls do that! They search for sexual or violent words, and, insist, that because the words are printed in the bible, that is what the bible is “about”. And they are so triumphant, thinking they have found some “secret” we want to keep hidden. That is SO stupid, considering that they obviously have a computer, and could be doing some legitimate research and study of the biblical texts. Really inexcusable.
somehistory says
If there were many people who worshiped according to the *dictionary* it would be possible, by doing an easy word search, to find all kinds of despicable things described therein for those who wanted to discredit the worshipers. But not as many wishing to do so as there are who wish to discredit those who try to live by the Bible. It is as the Bible says: the Jews were hated because they had a set of Laws that set them apart from the lawless nations that did as they wished, and Jesus said his followers would be hated due to his Name, not being a part of the world, and the Truth of his words.
Just because a book…be it the Bible or dictionary…has a word written therein…does not mean one is being instructed to engage in theft, murder, sexual crimes against children, women, etc.
I recall often the verse, “…there will come ridiculers with their ridicule, proceeding according to their own desires… (2 Peter 3:3-).”
There is really no comparison between what Christians are instructed to do and what those who follow islam are instructed to do. As the saying goes: the truth will out (Shakespeare’s The Merchant of Venice).
dumbledoresarmy says
Ever been to the Drybones Blog?
Here’s his ‘take’ on the giving of the torah.
http://drybonesblog.blogspot.com.au/2007/04/passover-deal.html
revg says
Yep, the “chosen” people didn’t win the lottery, it was more like having your draft number come up.
somehistory says
Actually, I get a daily from dry bones. And the one you ref is what I was saying…
God said it way back before men became abundant…there would be enmity and it would last until the devil is dispatched to the fire of destruction.
The Jews were hated by men, but loved (and blessed) by God. If one cannot be loved by both man and Creator, then better to choose One who truly is Supreme.
gravenimage says
There are two poor young women brutally murdered by a pious Muslim in the name of Islam.
And yet, the thread (like so many others) has been hijacked by those engaging in witless moral equivalence—by the egregious “Mr. Dude”.
It wasn’t Catholics or members of the other “Abrahamic religions” who killed Britney Cosby and Crystal Jackson—it was a pious Muslim, willing to “Honor Kill” his own daughter in the name of Allah.
“Mr. Dude” hopes that we will forget that.
Kepha says
Mr. Dude, I am, this once, going to assume that your fierce denunciations of Christianity may indicate that you are perhaps a seeker who may be feeling the breath of the Holy Spirit on the back of your neck, and hence are very uncomfortable about it (I was once in a similar position myself).
Your sneering remarks about “Chosen Peoplehood” show me that you know the sneers and scoffings of people who are very clever, but at the same time very unwise (perhaps Mark Twain, G.B. Shaw, H.L. Mencken), and that you know nothing about how either Judaism or the Reformed type of Christianity understands election.
For Judaism (as much as I understand it, and I remain open to correction), God’s choice of Israel puts a very large burden on that people. It is election to a high calling of service. Abraham was called by God so that all the families of the earth might be blessed in him. This election also reveals God’s faithfulness to the covenant he made with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. And I will also note that it is Moses and the Prophets, not the Greeks (who were later anyway) who are the true fathers of the Western self-critical spirit; for it is they who do not hesitate to remind Israel of its failure to live up to its calling.
For the Reformed type of Christianity, there is a lot of that thinking, too. Further, we are chosen by God to be objects of redemption not out of anything we have done or are, but because God chose to be loving when he had every right to be wrathful (as if there can be a “right” higher than God himself). And that God, who chooses some and bypasses others, went so far for his elect people to become man in Jesus Christ, take on himself the penalty for our sins, and conquer death on their behalf.
And, if you are so worried about being on the wrong side of God’s electing love, it may just be the case that he’s trying to turn you around. So, why don’t you blow off the dust on the New Testament (the Old, too) and seriously read it?
As for the modern worshipers of science and the state, it may be the case that Dawkins and people like him think they’re supportive of democracy. But I’m also old enough to remember “scientific” sorts assuring me that Mao’s China was one of the best functioning “democracies” on the planet; a movement called “Democratic Kampuchea” massacring a quarter to a third of the people unfortunate enough to have been “liberated” by it, and worse. And, do you remember the “German Democratic Republic” of Walter Ulbricht and his successors, or do you note “The Korean People’s Democratic Republic”, governed by the Kim dynasty?
But if you really want the root of what elevated law over the monarch, made leaders via consultation with at least representatives of the ruled, and called those in power to account, you’d do worse than dust off Deuteronomy and the books of Samuel and Kings. Read a few of the Puritans (they themselves, rather than your schoolbook’s 19th century caricature), and you might realize where Locke was coming from (assuming you’ve ever read him).
You see, I was once a young man, too, and I was told that I was very clever and educated by those who welcomed me to the seat of the scornful. Yet God was gracious enough to me to show me I was being indoctrinated by people whose “free thought” was not free at all and helped me get a real education. Some of what I told you above about the biblical view of election was stuff that made me slowly realize that some of the “greats” whom I’d been schooled to admire were, in fact, pretty silly–silly to the point of sawing off the branch on which all their notions of fair play, character, and ethics sat.