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“The fight against China is our Islamic responsibility and we have to fulfill it”

Mar 18, 2014 8:18 pm By Robert Spencer

TurkestanIslamicPartyAbdullah Mansour couldn’t have made it plainer: he is fighting against the Chinese because he is a Muslim. He believes that it is his Islamic responsibility to fight against the Chinese. Other Muslims the world over have proclaimed that they believe it is their Islamic responsibility to fight against the Americans, the British, the Australians, the Indians, and so on and on.

Yet Western non-Muslim analysts routinely ignore these declarations, or reflexively prescribe as the solution initiatives to aid Muslims economically, and to partner with Muslims in various ventures. When these remedies only embolden the jihadists, the analysts just apply them again and again, in the vain hope, apparently, that someday they will work. They never, ever question their core assumptions.

“From his Pakistan hideout, Uighur leader vows revenge on China,” by Saud Mehsud and Maria Golovnina for Reuters, March 14:

(Reuters) – Entrenched in secret mountain bases on Pakistan’s border with Afghanistan, Uighur fighters are gearing up for retribution against China to avenge the deaths of comrades in Beijing’s crackdown on a separatist movement, their leader told Reuters.

China, Pakistan’s only major ally in the region, has long urged Islamabad to weed out what it says are militants from its western region of Xinjiang, who are holed up in a lawless tribal belt, home to a lethal mix of militant groups, including the Taliban and al Qaeda.

A mass stabbing at a train station in the Chinese city of Kunming two weeks ago, in which at least 29 people were killed, has put a new spotlight on the largely Muslim Uighur ethnic minority from Xinjiang, where Beijing says armed groups seek to establish an independent state called East Turkestan.

Beijing has called the Kunming bloodshed a “terrorist attack” carried out by militants, and says separatists operate training camps across the rugged border which abuts Pakistan and Afghanistan.

In a rare but brief interview, Abdullah Mansour, leader of the rebel Turkestan Islamic Party, said it was his holy duty to fight the Chinese.

“The fight against China is our Islamic responsibility and we have to fulfill it,” he said from an undisclosed location.

“China is not only our enemy, but it is the enemy of all Muslims … We have plans for many attacks in China,” he said, speaking in the Uighur language through an interpreter.

“We have a message to China that East Turkestan people and other Muslims have woken up. They cannot suppress us and Islam any more. Muslims will take revenge.”…

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  1. veggiedog says

    Mar 18, 2014 at 8:39 pm

    I hope they piss off the Chinese good. The Russians and Chinese have balls unlike, well you get the picture.

    • mortimer says

      Mar 18, 2014 at 9:20 pm

      The terrorists have awakened a sleeping giant and filled him with a terrible resolve. Chinese police will hunt them down and bring them all their relatives to prison camps.

      • veggiedog says

        Mar 18, 2014 at 9:50 pm

        I was watching the History Channel. A program on the The Book of Revelation and the Seven Seals…. Well anyway, they discussed that the Chinese have said the have a 2,000,000 man army. Let the Muslim slim piss them off.

        • Jimbo says

          Mar 19, 2014 at 3:11 am

          In China the only converting they’ll do will be converting plastic into food exports at 10 cents a day.

        • umbra says

          Mar 19, 2014 at 6:15 am

          Having a sizeable army is useful, but the most important factor is resolve. The Chinese will kill those who threaten them. No amount of political correctness will change their minds. While the Chinese authority does not criticise Islam directly, it nevertheless goes about quietly eliminating Islamic terrorists, infestation and support structures within china. The west is the opposite. European governments loves islam, allows Islamic terrorist support structures to take root within european borders and hosts terrorists (and would-be terrorists). Western European governments have made western Europe the host for the fatal islamic virus in the hope of cultivating a pan European heterogeneous multicultural society. Unfortunately, when islam is inserted and grown in any society, that society will inevitably become homogeneously monocultural as in the various states of the arabian peninsula, afghanistan and iran, or on its way to become monocultural like iraq, syria, tunisia and many many other Islamic countries (and evidently European countries in a few centuries).

    • umbra says

      Mar 19, 2014 at 1:50 am

      It is not beyond China to “systematically eliminate” hostile elements within her borders. This is especially true during war time (if war is what this mullah wants). Although there are political and “cultural” considerations, Chinese are pragmatic and kill in order to stay alive.

    • fair_dinkum says

      Mar 19, 2014 at 2:03 am

      i agree, the still retain that secular govt bit pretty fiercely. the would (and are) opressing other, far less obnoxious faiths.. and they like to retaliate so hard it takes months for anything else to rear itself..

  2. shrugger says

    Mar 18, 2014 at 9:12 pm

    Revenge for…what?
    There’s all this islamic revenge going around everywhere. But the details as to what they’re “Revenging” is always sketchy at best.

    • Jerry says

      Mar 18, 2014 at 11:18 pm

      BismilAllah Rahmani Rahim –
      In the name of “God”
      The Mercifull and Forgiving
      The Death Worshippers
      Make War on all Living!

    • Ric says

      Mar 19, 2014 at 12:22 am

      Their “revenge” is against the infidels for daring to exist in a world that is strictly the property of the Mohammedan horde from now until the end of time, inshallah.

  3. Veracious_one says

    Mar 18, 2014 at 9:28 pm

    once again we see Muslims pulling out the victim card…..

    • Transmaster says

      Mar 19, 2014 at 3:01 am

      The Chinese historically dealt with barbarians for thousands of years, the many “Great Walls” of China are an illustration of this. Look at history Jihadists and see what will happen to you. Under the Khans China dealt more severely with troublesome peoples.

      The Muslims are pulling out the Victim card but if the Chinese have utterly annihilated them no more “victims”.

  4. enwhitenment says

    Mar 18, 2014 at 10:25 pm

    Ismail or should i say Dismail ?
    It is clear that you have never & will never have sex with a “white” women unless by force or cash payment.
    Testosterone levels in “developed” nations have dropped as a result of additional working hours which is why the biggest breeders are the lowest contributors to society.
    There is no correlation to penis size & skin colour ( john holmes ????).
    If anything you will find that those who work least will masturbate most.
    The fact that 85% + followers of Islam can neither read or write & are told five times a day that they will be punished is why they claim such a large following.
    All religious cults follow the same mantra ? seek out the uneducated for conversion, its nothing new !.
    If Islam was to dominate the world then the “end times” would be upon us.
    The power would go out, The water would stop running, The sewerage would bank up, The rubbish would pile up, The crops would not be sown, Hospitals would cease to operate, Education would be of religious form only & everyone will die except for the few “Elites” who will die shortly after.
    Zimbabwe is a prime example of what happens when you expel the “white”.
    I think you will find that the majority of Muslims are unaware of the filth that the Arabs are spitting out as koranal fact & likely to question their faith in the near future.
    David may have killed the big bloke but he was dumb & only had one eye.
    We are alot smarter & have two eyes wide open.
    Islam is turning to nazissm to gain numbers & will end in the same way.
    2018 will see the end of Islam & the eradication of all mosque’s and books of hate.
    Muslim lands will not be invaded they will be returned to their true owners & the world will help them to rebuild their lives with clarity.
    While Islam beats the (poor us) drum & calls for war they fail to realise that their stage is already on fire & the more they beat their chests the less they smell the smoke.
    Forget your Gods & Ghosts this requires outside help & that deal has been made already.

    • duh_swami says

      Mar 19, 2014 at 4:40 am

      You should have left out the racist parts of your rant. Then it may have made some sense.

      • pongidae rex says

        Mar 19, 2014 at 8:50 am

        I am unhappy with the idea that I should celebrate seeing my race subjugated to minority status in the land our ancestors carved out of a wilderness when laws are already on the books and unlikely to ever be repealed that say that it is perfectly legal to discriminate against me.

        I am unhappy with the idea that policies calling for such subjugation have absolutely no foundation whatsoever in either scientific or historical fact, but instead rely entirely upon political dogma that the future actions of those who will dominate us numerically will be peaceful and benign in their intentions. On what firm foundation are such pronouncements made? What are the consequences if such pronouncements are wrong?

        I think that smashing holes in the bottom of the lifeboat that carried western civilization this far is criminal insanity.

        Does that make me a racist? A bigot? Perhaps people like me should be rounded up for hate speech.

        Right?

      • gravenimage says

        Mar 20, 2014 at 4:22 pm

        I think it’s pretty clear that “enwhitenment” is another fake. These idiots have been coming out of the woodwork here the last few days.

        Troll activity tends to run in cycles…

    • Rezali Mehil says

      Mar 19, 2014 at 9:42 am

      Enwhitenment Assalamau Laikum, …

      “It is clear that you have never & will never have sex with a “white” women unless by force or cash payment.”

      Ouch!!!!…been hit below the belt there have you. YOU probably don’t know it but the white women seem to love muslim men…(MUCH easier to get than muslimahs like me), they seem to flock to them, marrying, girlfriending, pimping, drinking, childrening…etc etc.

      It is the shaved beard above the upper lip that seems to drive them wild!!!

      Perhaps YOU ought to try and experiment it ..be a pretend muslim, get that beard on …what have you got to lose anyway…other than your miserable low count sperm…

      Most white women would sell their mother to get laid…the problem is with you sir.

      As for lack of children…again it is only with the white women…ask people like Graven who steadfastly refuse to have them. …She would any day have endless arguments to the point of divorce rather than give “her man” a child.

      Note that white women who marry muslims …THEY seem to have no problems having lots of children….

      It the anti-droop era …obsese they maybe …but childless certainly.

      More Later….

      Rezali

      • Ismail Mohamed says

        Mar 19, 2014 at 12:20 pm

        Rezali, I have a piece of information which should make you leave piIslam if you have any brains in that wrapped up baghead of yours.
        Muzzies have a deeply-held false belief that Islam is the only monotheistic religion which they zealously boast and exploit to successfully gain converts who are ignorant of the theology of Judaism which is the other monotheistic (albeit a non-proselytizing) religion : is that the Qu’ran in Chapter 9 (surat Al Tawba سورة التوبة ),verse 30 claims that Jews worship someone called Ezra(‘Uzair’ ,عزير) as the son of god which is not true as the Hebrew Bible uses this term in a figurative sense to refer to certain characters, none of them is called Ezra or Uzair.

        • Rezali Mehil says

          Mar 19, 2014 at 12:31 pm

          big deal…

          Ezra or Uzair…what’s in a name?

          Jesus…Isa …what’s in a name?

          Montague….Capulet …what’s in a name?

          Answer my questions…..whay have you left Islam….do you hate your mother?

          P.S. …And forget about trying to rectify your spelling misteakes…it leaves you smelling like a muslim…which is what you are trying to get away from…..is that right?

          More Later….

          Rezali

        • Ismail Mohamed says

          Mar 19, 2014 at 1:07 pm

          Judaism is a monotheistic religion, you inbred fucktard and Jews don’t worship Uzair or Ezra or anyone else, for that matter, as the son of god but apparently Allah did not know that ! I left Islam for a shitload of reasons; contradictions, scientific absurdities of which some of them are common to the other 2 Abrahamic Religions, such as the absurd creation story, a woman made from a man’s rib, the whole Noah’s flood fairy tale, the splitting of the red sea and the weirdest of them all, the virgin birth of Issa/Jesus (take your pick). If you believe that a fucking 12 year-old virgin gave birth, then you are a scientifically illiterate dumbfuck but then, being scientifically illiterate is a description that fits some 1.5 billion muzzies. No, I don’t hate my mother, she left Islam too. My entire family left shitslam, BURN !!!

        • voegelinian says

          Mar 19, 2014 at 2:03 pm

          Lovely. Two trolls fighting each other. We should set up an arena and sell tickets to the show.

        • gravenimage says

          Mar 19, 2014 at 5:06 pm

          Voegelinian wrote:

          Lovely. Two trolls fighting each other. We should set up an arena and sell tickets to the show.
          …………………………..

          Just what I was thinking, Voegelinian.

          And if “Ismail Mohamed” wants to retain the least credibility as a Saudi apostate living in Egypt, perhaps he should forgo such clichéd American “anti-Jihad” slang as “dumbfuck”, “shitslam”, “pislam”, and “koranimals”.

          At this point, I’m thinking LoonWatch or something similar. Your thoughts?

        • voegelinian says

          Mar 19, 2014 at 5:17 pm

          gravenimage,

          Loonwatch sounds like a distinct possibility (or alternatively there may well be, unfortunately, other pools of potential saboteurs out there or who knows how many lone wolves).

          The three things that make Ismail Mohamed suspicious are 1) his inclusion of racist content mixed in with otherwise sound Counter-Jihad rhetoric; 2) his Counter-Jihad rhetoric almost sounds too good to be true, hitting all the buttons as though he’s ticking off from a comprehensive list; and 3) his copious and apparently smooth use of Americanisms which seems unlikely in a Saudi who has lived most of his life in Egypt.

        • gravenimage says

          Mar 20, 2014 at 12:26 am

          Voegelinian wrote:

          The three things that make Ismail Mohamed suspicious are 1) his inclusion of racist content mixed in with otherwise sound Counter-Jihad rhetoric…
          …………………………

          I think this is the nub of it, Voegelinian—the usual of falsely trying to paint those who oppose bloody Jihad as “racists”.

          That he is doing this on a thread about Jihad in *China* is especially absurd.

          And I think he is also attempting to discredit Muslim apostates—but in trying to do both at the same time has rather tripped himself up, and so comes out looking even less plausible and more ridiculous than most of these specimens.

        • Jay Boo says

          Mar 20, 2014 at 3:04 am

          WOW!
          World renown Islam stink Rezali Mehil has come just in time to defend your CREDIBILITY by challenging your apostasy Ismail Mohamed.

          Maybe, just maybe you really are the real thing ?????????

          YEAH RIGHT!

      • enwhitenment says

        Mar 20, 2014 at 6:23 am

        Rezali don’t be so desperate to justify your mistakes.
        If you were” any good” all your men would not be dreaming of fucking a white women would they ?

        2 boys – 2 girls all grown up now, so no shooting blanks here babe.

        Anyone can have a beard even a goat.
        The point is that if you cant feed them don’t breed em !
        That’s why the developed world has seen a drop in birthrates.
        Now lets look at the countries with high birthrates ?
        Or is there some honour in being a welfare parasite ?
        Rezali you can replace a beard with a toilet brush
        But you cannot replace the charm & skill of a master.

      • Andrew says

        Mar 21, 2014 at 9:31 pm

        Rezali

        🙂 someone is feeling good about themselves! Dear rezali or whatever the hell your name is, why all the hatred against non-muslims/ whites? It’s not good for your health.

        ‘White women love muslim men’
        If I were a muslim I’m not sure if I’d be proud of my muslim father, uncle, brother, son or cousin sleeping around with anyone regardless of their race, specially if I were that man’s wife. You may think you’re bashing white infidel women but lets be honest it probably kills you knowing that any moment of your pathetic life your husband can and will cheat on you with a superior white woman. I’m only calling her superior not because God created her superior, I believe God created us all equal but because you chose to be a slave to your prophet and his god thus making yourself inferior. Listen sweetie just because a woman is covered from head to toe does not mean she’s not a whore and you know exactly what I’m talking about.

        However if it doesn’t kill you to know your joke of a man sleeps with other women then Islam succeeded at making you view yourself as a worthless object and a mere reproductive organ whose only purpose in life is to be penetrated (or to be “ridden” to use your prophet’s very own word choice) and which has to be covered at all times in case it evokes the emotions of the animalistic muslim men. After all you lack in faith and intellect.

        Who gave you the right to leave your good Muslim wife’s duties and come online anyway? Go back to the bedroom where you belong and perform your duties or you’ll be cursed by the angels, or better yet go perform sex jihad in Syria. I’m sure men over there are thirsty, in the mean time it’ll make you feel wanted and perhaps you’ll feel better about yourself way more than bashing a race of people. But don’t be sad if they pick a woman with European features over you cause truth be told your women are very ugly. But still there’s hope! If you die while performing jihad you get to go to Islamic heaven….wait you’d still have to wait your turn to get laid because who in heaven would want you over the beautiful, ever virgin hooris right? Anyway you’re screwed either way and not in a good way.

        “White women seem to love muslim men” how about you enlighten us as to why that would be? What is there to love about a non-educated, wife-beating, child-raping, multiple “wives” having, camel urine-drinking misogynistic, narcissistic willfully ignorant scumbag of a human being whom I as a man am regretful of sharing genders with. It’s truly a shame that we as men have to endure such disgrace.

        How dare you speak of your Western superiors in that manner!? Remember your place muslim and if you don’t, I’m more than happy to remind you. How dare you speak lowly of the very same people that allowed your pathetic self to live among them and be treated as a human being? There’s a reason why millions of lowlifes like yourself flock to the West and flee their Islamic hellholes. Then you come to the land where you’re treated as a person and then it proves too much for your likes to handle. How can you when you’ve been placed on the same level as a dog and a goat, and they’re all “rideable” right? How can we expect you to be a human being when Islam stripped you of your humanity? It is a lot to ask of a thing that’s worth half a man and who’s on the same level as “unclean” animals that nullify the muslim’s prayers. Not to mention that certain time each month when you’re not even allowed to make contact with humans, you’re even dirtier then. So I sure hope you’re clean enough to speak to us, but knowing your kind you’re probably either pregnant or getting pregnant to fulfill your only role in this life.

        If you hate whites/Westerners so much then why are you constantly trying to convert them and when some are mislead enough to convert your boasting of a white person converting to Islam never ceases? Answer that for me please will ya muslim?

        “Perhaps you ought to try it…be a pretend muslim” tell me zaza why would anyone stoop that low? Why would any self respecting human on this planet be “pretend muslim” let alone a muslim? “What have you got to lose?” A lot! My self respect and dignity actually means something to me because I’m created on the image of God and to be a muslim, pretend or otherwise I’d be compromising that. Unlike you and your coreligionists who traded their self respect to be a part of a nation that has been the laughingstock of all nations. A nation that has no problem denying scientific facts and common sense when they conflict with your prophets claims. I guess if it was only for the beard and shaved mustache it wouldn’t be as bad aside from how ugly it looks but it doesn’t stop there, I’d have to deny established scientific facts such as the fact that sperm (both low count and high count) does NOT come from “somewhere between the kidneys and the backbone” no mohammedan, that Greek theory that has made its way to your “holy” book has been proven wrong. That alone should make you question your religion. The Earth muslim is actually NOT flat unlike what mohammed told you out of ignorance. Those examples were only two of the scientific errors found in your quran, it’d take me days to cover all of the scientific, linguistic, historical and geographical errors found in your book, besides, it’d take me even longer to cover the immorality, sexual and otherwise, found in the “holy” quran such as “adult suckling” sex with infants, pedophilia, necrophilia beastiality and all the different kinds of “marriages” prescribed by your prophet and his god. I’d also have to abandon the greatest gift my God blessed me with, the human mind, and instead discuss issues like which foot to enter the bathroom with and if a woman queefs whether that nullifies her prayers or not. People have been to the moon, specifically those Westerners you’re mocking, while your “scientists” have been debating such issues as a queefing woman. Westerners have invented all the life saving medicine that saves the pathetic lives of millions of Muslims around the globe and your “doctors” have opened camel urine clinics that supposedly cures all diseases (per mohammed). Westerners have invented all the technology you and your likes use on a daily basis including the device which you’re using to verbally attack them. There’s 1.2 billion of you and what have you contributed to mankind besides longer wait times at airports and the Islamic tie? There’s not a single invention that came out of your joke of a nation. Wait there’s more…let’s talk about Nobel peace prizes, the evil Jews comprise 0.02% of the world and they have 129 in total, ouch, there’s 1.2 billion of you or 20% of the worlds population and all you have is 4!! Pathetic! There’s a reason why every single muslim nation on earth is stagnant or worse yet regressing and those which are seemingly flourishing are only better off because of petrodollars, or black gold which would be worth zero if it wasn’t for Western inventions. They couldn’t even get their own oil out of the ground. How stupid can these people be but what’s worse is that they still have the nerves to look down on the very people that are saving them from their ignorance. But don’t pay attention to my words just listen to the quran that tells you that you’re the best of nations because it can’t lie right? The same one that contradicts all science and common sense.

        Perhaps you ought to try being a civilized human being someday and get rid of the overflowing hate in your heart caused by the disease called islam. The venom you spew comes from the abundant hate in your religion, it’s the one thing that Islam will never run out of until the day it finally turns on itself and ceases to exist.

        More later…. 😉

      • Andrew says

        Mar 21, 2014 at 9:38 pm

        Rezali

        Someone is feeling good about themselves! Dear rezali or whatever the hell your name is, why all the hatred against non-muslims/ whites? It’s not good for your health.

        ‘White women love muslim men’
        If I were a muslim I’m not sure if I’d be proud of my muslim father, uncle, brother, son or cousin sleeping around with anyone regardless of their race, specially if I were that man’s wife. You may think you’re bashing white infidel women but lets be honest it probably kills you knowing that any moment of your pathetic life your husband can and will cheat on you with a superior white woman. I’m only calling her superior not because God created her superior, I believe God created us all equal but because you chose to be a slave to your prophet and his god thus making yourself inferior. Listen sweetie just because a woman is covered from head to toe does not mean she’s not a whore and you know exactly what I’m talking about.

        However if it doesn’t kill you to know your joke of a man sleeps with other women then Islam succeeded at making you view yourself as a worthless object and a mere reproductive organ whose only purpose in life is to be penetrated (or to be “ridden” to use your prophet’s very own word choice) and which has to be covered at all times in case it evokes the emotions of the animalistic muslim men. After all you lack in faith and intellect.

        Who gave you the right to leave your good Muslim wife’s duties and come online anyway? Go back to the bedroom where you belong and perform your duties or you’ll be cursed by the angels, or better yet go perform sex jihad in Syria. I’m sure men over there are thirsty, in the mean time it’ll make you feel wanted and perhaps you’ll feel better about yourself way more than bashing a race of people. But don’t be sad if they pick a woman with European features over you cause truth be told your women are very ugly. But still there’s hope! If you die while performing jihad you get to go to Islamic heaven….wait you’d still have to wait your turn to get laid because who in heaven would want you over the beautiful, ever virgin hooris right? Anyway you’re screwed either way and not in a good way.

        “White women seem to love muslim men” how about you enlighten us as to why that would be? What is there to love about a non-educated, wife-beating, child-raping, multiple “wives” having, camel urine-drinking misogynistic, narcissistic willfully ignorant scumbag of a human being whom I as a man am regretful of sharing genders with. It’s truly a shame that we as men have to endure such disgrace.

        How dare you speak of your Western superiors in that manner!? Remember your place muslim and if you don’t, I’m more than happy to remind you. How dare you speak lowly of the very same people that allowed your pathetic self to live among them and be treated as a human being? There’s a reason why millions of lowlifes like yourself flock to the West and flee their Islamic hellholes. Then you come to the land where you’re treated as a person and then it proves too much for your likes to handle. How can you when you’ve been placed on the same level as a dog and a goat, and they’re all “rideable” right? How can we expect you to be a human being when Islam stripped you of your humanity? It is a lot to ask of a thing that’s worth half a man and who’s on the same level as “unclean” animals that nullify the muslim’s prayers. Not to mention that certain time each month when you’re not even allowed to make contact with humans, you’re even dirtier then. So I sure hope you’re clean enough to speak to us, but knowing your kind you’re probably either pregnant or getting pregnant to fulfill your only role in this life.

        If you hate whites/Westerners so much then why are you constantly trying to convert them and when some are mislead enough to convert your boasting of a white person converting to Islam never ceases? Answer that for me please will ya muslim?

        “Perhaps you ought to try it…be a pretend muslim” tell me zaza why would anyone stoop that low? Why would any self respecting human on this planet be “pretend muslim” let alone a muslim? “What have you got to lose?” A lot! My self respect and dignity actually means something to me because I’m created on the image of God and to be a muslim, pretend or otherwise I’d be compromising that. Unlike you and your coreligionists who traded their self respect to be a part of a nation that has been the laughingstock of all nations. A nation that has no problem denying scientific facts and common sense when they conflict with your prophets claims. I guess if it was only for the beard and shaved mustache it wouldn’t be as bad aside from how ugly it looks but it doesn’t stop there, I’d have to deny established scientific facts such as the fact that sperm (both low count and high count) does NOT come from “somewhere between the kidneys and the backbone” no mohammedan, that Greek theory that has made its way to your “holy” book has been proven wrong. That alone should make you question your religion. The Earth muslim is actually NOT flat unlike what mohammed told you out of ignorance. Those examples were only two of the scientific errors found in your quran, it’d take me days to cover all of the scientific, linguistic, historical and geographical errors found in your book, besides, it’d take me even longer to cover the immorality, sexual and otherwise, found in the “holy” quran such as “adult suckling” sex with infants, pedophilia, necrophilia beastiality and all the different kinds of “marriages” prescribed by your prophet and his god. I’d also have to abandon the greatest gift my God blessed me with, the human mind, and instead discuss issues like which foot to enter the bathroom with and if a woman queefs whether that nullifies her prayers or not. People have been to the moon, specifically those Westerners you’re mocking, while your “scientists” have been debating such issues as a queefing woman. Westerners have invented all the life saving medicine that saves the pathetic lives of millions of Muslims around the globe and your “doctors” have opened camel urine clinics that supposedly cures all diseases (per mohammed). Westerners have invented all the technology you and your likes use on a daily basis including the device which you’re using to verbally attack them. There’s 1.2 billion of you and what have you contributed to mankind besides longer wait times at airports and the Islamic tie? There’s not a single invention that came out of your joke of a nation. Wait there’s more…let’s talk about Nobel peace prizes, the evil Jews comprise 0.02% of the world and they have 129 in total, ouch, there’s 1.2 billion of you or 20% of the worlds population and all you have is 4!! Pathetic! There’s a reason why every single muslim nation on earth is stagnant or worse yet regressing and those which are seemingly flourishing are only better off because of petrodollars, or black gold which would be worth zero if it wasn’t for Western inventions. They couldn’t even get their own oil out of the ground. How stupid can these people be but what’s worse is that they still have the nerves to look down on the very people that are saving them from their ignorance. But don’t pay attention to my words just listen to the quran that tells you that you’re the best of nations because it can’t lie right? The same one that contradicts all science and common sense.

        Perhaps you ought to try being a civilized human being someday and get rid of the overflowing hate in your heart caused by the disease called islam. The venom you spew comes from the abundant hate in your religion, it’s the one thing that Islam will never run out of until the day it finally turns on itself and ceases to exist.

        More later…. 😉

  5. King Dave says

    Mar 18, 2014 at 10:39 pm

    Sadly, It’s incredibly easy for anyone with or without actual knowledge of Islam to influence their flock by denying that Islam has anything to do with intolerance and extreme sectarian violence.

    They simply need only to lie about it.

  6. Nonbeliever says

    Mar 18, 2014 at 10:57 pm

    In other words, “it’s the IDEOLOGY, stupid?”

    People who fail to grasp that fact are, well, stupid!

    Keep up the great work, Mr. Spencer. Your tireless and on-point efforts are not for naught.

  7. Jay Boo says

    Mar 19, 2014 at 1:13 am

    SUMMARY of
    Ismail Mohamed

    You are essentially saying that Muhammad was a lying satanic worshiping demon
    whose disgusting Quran is the worst piece of perverted filth ever written and Muhammad was such a low life that he was not fit to crawl under pig manure.

  8. fair_dinkum says

    Mar 19, 2014 at 2:20 am

    China execute more criminals per anum than the rest of the world combined.
    they have a long, uninterrupted tradition of quashing any group that decides to protest, let alone wage jihad. there is no PC, (believe me, none) no real womens rights. no tolerance. just none.

    im pretty sure we’ll have a huge response from the Chinese forces soon. and the numbers killed will be staggering compared to what we are used to. i’m sure they are also prepared for the long haul. and ultimately become islam’s greatest enemy, as the resistance will be unwavering and violent.

    • Defcon 4 says

      Mar 19, 2014 at 2:09 pm

      @fair_dinkum

      I’d hope so, but islam0nazi petrodollars have a long reach into the deep pockets of everyone.

    • Mazo says

      Mar 19, 2014 at 5:06 pm

      fair_dinkum says

      “there is no PC, (believe me, none) no real womens rights. no tolerance. just none.”

      Says the westerner who knows nothing about China, actually, despite his persistent rudeness, personal attacks and lies, Philip_jihadski knows alot more about China than you.

      There is very much PC by the Chinese government. Affirmative action is offered to minorities (extra points on college entrance exams, job quotas, two child policy instead of one child for minorities, etc.) and the Chinese government is always careful to temper its language, calling for “harmony” among different ethnic groups. Urban women in China have rights unlike what you said, its in the rural areas where women are abused.

      The government just crushes any people which threatens its power- you can be PC in regards to ethnic minorities and religion and still brutally crush people challenging your rule. The Chinese government allows all these affirmative action benefits to minorities and if you actually have been to China you would know this.

      vice versa is also true, you can have a democracy where the elected government is very much non-PC and racist because the society itself is racist- like in Japan, where democratically elected government officials like Shintaro Ishihara openly insult women, ethnic minorities, and foreigners with racial slurs.

      Don’t confuse totalitarian and dictatorships with being non-PC.

  9. Norman says

    Mar 19, 2014 at 4:26 am

    I live in China, I say go for it, the Chinese are waiting.

  10. Angemon says

    Mar 19, 2014 at 4:34 am

    Now, now, let’s all wait for semeru/mazo to tell us that it’s just some ethnic minority being repressed by the chinese and that islam has nothing to do with it. Remember the train station incident? How he jumped at our throats because there was no evidence it were the Uighurs, and how the Uighurs and all muslim minorities in China were peaceful? If and when semeru/mazo assures us that this has nothing to do with islam then we can be sure islam is the motivation.

    • Mazo says

      Mar 19, 2014 at 5:08 pm

      Where did I say Uyghurs were peaceful? I made it clear that both Uyghurs and Tibetans took up arms violently against the Chinese government because they are seperatist, not because they belong to any religion in particular.

      I said that other Muslim minorities who together outnumber the Uyghurs, like the Hui, Salar, and Dongxiang, are non seperatist and have never participated in any terrorist violence.

  11. duh_swami says

    Mar 19, 2014 at 4:36 am

    When secular law and Sharia conflict, sharia trumps…That’s a concept the Chinese gov is not likely to go along with. If the Uighur want to fight China over it, the Uighur will lose.

    • umbra says

      Mar 20, 2014 at 5:18 am

      uyghur will lose each time, every time for no matter how brutal or violent these uyghurs become, the CPC would always be more brutal and violent in the suppression.

  12. tpellow says

    Mar 19, 2014 at 5:08 am

    “China: Two dead in Xinjiang violence”

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-26641546

    • Defcon 4 says

      Mar 19, 2014 at 2:11 pm

      “China: Two dead in Xinjiang violence”

      Would the British Bullshit Corporation ever mention it if scuzzlums were the perps?

  13. RodSerling says

    Mar 19, 2014 at 6:57 am

    OT: Turkish Foreign Minister blasts media for translating Turkish word for jihadist as….”jihadist”

    http://www.todayszaman.com/news-336327-fm-davutoglu-slams-jihadist-erdogan-translation-in-english-media.html

    Excerpts:

    10 January 2014 /ANKARA, TODAY’S ZAMAN
    In remarks that appeared to be targeting Today’s Zaman, Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu has slammed the use of the word “jihadist” in an English translation for the Turkish word “mücahid” to describe the slogan employed by some of Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan’s supporters, saying it is the reflection of a crusader and neo-Orientalist mentality.

    Columnists and commentators in pro-government media have attacked Today’s Zaman after its Ankara representative and columnist Abdullah Bozkurt translated on Twitter a slogan by Erdoğan’s supporters at a rally in İstanbul as “jihadist Erdoğan.” The original slogan was “Mücahid Erdoğan,” the Turkish version of the Arabic word “mujahid,” which literally means “holy warrior” or “religious warrior.”

    Bozkurt instantly became the target of a wave of criticism by pro-government scribes on Twitter and later on in pro-government media, who claim that he intentionally attempted to present Erdoğan as a radical to the West and the US in particular knowing that the word “jihadist” has a very negative connotation there.

    End of excerpts.

    Can’t allow the infidel West to see straight-up accurate translations!

  14. Paleologos says

    Mar 19, 2014 at 7:18 am

    MESSAGE TO THE BOARD:

    I don’t know exactly how Robert feels about this, but I am not happy with what I perceive as a recent uptick in muslim-shit-for-brains-activity.

    I am starting to get that creepy feeling I had after 911.

    http://www.wnd.com/2012/12/guess-how-many-islamic-terror-attacks-since-911/

    I hope I am wrong.

    R/

    Paleologos

  15. pongidae rex says

    Mar 19, 2014 at 8:36 am

    By the end of this century, persons of European ancestry will be a racial minority in both the USA and Europe. If immigration trends continue, it is a mathematical certainty.

    A single generation of elitist politicians and judges have taken it upon themselves to undo the work of centuries and, in the case of Europe, millenia.

    And if you do not come to the funeral of Western civilization to celebrate, you are a racist bigot.

    • veggiedog says

      Mar 19, 2014 at 8:48 am

      I have always been a Sciece Fiction reader and fan. I have believed the future would be one race, intermingled with black, white, etnic groups of Asian, American, European decent. I also (delusional as it sounds) believed we would not have religion. This was how i saw the future, the things that would be needed for survival in the craziness that would have led us there. Of course it would not be a real free society, we would be watched (far more than now), we might think we were free but would not be, there would be one Government. Ad depressing as this may sound it certainly would beat living under the law of islam. May whoever watch over mankind.

      • Islamisdeath says

        Mar 19, 2014 at 11:49 am

        We shared the same view of the future and like you I think that view dark as it may be would be better than living under the scourge of satans addled minions the muslims.

    • umbra says

      Mar 19, 2014 at 9:02 am

      If the leftist multicultural “everyone is equal regardless if their belief and actions contradict freedom (of conscience, equality, etc)” fools persist, then Europe is truly finished. It is up to individual European citizen to fight for their freedom. Do not expect others to do it for them, even though western European have in recent past fought for the freedom of others.

      Right now European ballot boxes are being weaken when major national parties are deeply in love with islam (labour and conservative parties in the uk for example). When islam gains majority in these countries, these ballot boxes will become useless, just like they are in afghanistan, pakistan (various -stan countries with elections), malaysia, indonesia, bangladesh, or any Islamic country with a national electoral system.

  16. jewdog says

    Mar 19, 2014 at 9:59 am

    Maybe Chinese restaurants should add more MSG: Muslims Should Go.

  17. Islamisdeath says

    Mar 19, 2014 at 11:47 am

    Hmmm now we know where the Malaysian plane is. Watch out China uighars flying a bomb plane might be headed your way

  18. Wellington says

    Mar 19, 2014 at 12:31 pm

    Strange thread.

    • veggiedog says

      Mar 19, 2014 at 1:44 pm

      How to make friends and influence people…

      • Wellington says

        Mar 19, 2014 at 5:00 pm

        Indeed.

    • gravenimage says

      Mar 19, 2014 at 5:16 pm

      The trolls are out in force on this thread, Wellington.

      Indeed, there seems to be a huge uptick in troll activity in general on Jihad Watch these past couple of weeks. Bleah…

  19. veggiedog says

    Mar 19, 2014 at 12:52 pm

    “Islamisdeath
    March 19, 2014 at 11:49 am
    We shared the same view of the future and like you I think that view dark as it may be would be better than living under the scourge of satans addled minions the muslims.”

    Amen

    • Defcon 4 says

      Mar 19, 2014 at 2:15 pm

      I used to hold out some hope that Communism might be the answer to islam0nazism, but atheists like Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot and G. B. Shaw ended that hope.

  20. voegelinian says

    Mar 19, 2014 at 2:05 pm

    OT: There was a terror attack in Moscow on Monday, some 40 people mass-murdered by Chechen Muslims. I don’t recall Jihad Watch reporting this.

    • dumbledoresarmy says

      Mar 19, 2014 at 6:12 pm

      Care to supply a link? Did you email Mr Spencer the link?

      Because *I* haven’t heard about it at all in any of the news media outlets that *I* check. (And no I do not have time nor do I believe it to be my duty to know *everything*: to run google searches of all of the available English-language news media outlets, all day, every day; nobody has world enough, and time, to do *that*.)

      BTW, I just ran a google search and I haven’t found a *thing*. All the ‘hits’ were for *past* attacks, some of them a long way in the past, like the moscow theatre attack.

      Just out of curiosity: are you intending to imply that you think that Mr Spencer, because of some moral or intellectual *defect*, or in pursuit of some nefarious agenda, failed to register or deliberately chose not to mention this particular jihad attack?

      This site is not the site for cataloguing each and every instance of Mohammedan mayhem: that is now done by others.

      • voegelinian says

        Mar 19, 2014 at 9:01 pm

        In Tuesday’s New York Times (yesterday), they had a story about the sudden death of a Chechen terrorist leader, Doku Umarov (who among other illustrious things, threatened the Olympics recently). In a caption to his photo, it says:

        Who Is Chechen Leader Doku Umarov ?

        Chechen warlord Doku Umarov, who claimed responsibility for suicide bombings in the Moscow metro which killed 39 people Monday, is trying to unite rebels in the all region in the name of Islam.

        http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/19/world/europe/russias-most-wanted-rebel-is-dead-website-says.html?_r=1

        The article also mentions several other terror attacks in Russia in recent history, all of which I don’t recall reading about at Jihad Watch or anywhere else (though there’s so much of this horror day in and day out over the months and years, my memory may have glazed over…).

        • dumbledoresarmy says

          Mar 19, 2014 at 9:43 pm

          the last report on a bombing in the *Moscow* metro that *I* can find, is from *2010*.

          If the Moscow metro had been bombed *just now*, like, two days ago, killing 39 people, surely it would have been all over the front pages just like the bombing of the Boston marathon and the bombing at Volgograd station (which is not in Moscow).

          I googled “Moscow metro bombings” and I got *zilch* for this Monday, March 2014.

          39 people were killed, yes, in a bombing on the Metro: TEN YEARS AGO, on 6 March 2004.

          Another bombing that killed exactly 39 people took place FOUR YEARS AGO, in 2010.

    • gravenimage says

      Mar 20, 2014 at 12:46 am

      If you see a story you think should be covered here at Jihad Watch, Voegelinian, send it in. I’ve had a few stories that I sent in featured over the years; other posters have had many more.

      And don’t assume that any story not covered is being “ignored”—Robert Spencer is amazingly thorough, but no one is omniscient.

      And finally, no one venue can cover *everything*—any editor has to pick and choose. As someone who runs his own blog, you must be familiar with this yourself.

      A story I—or anyone else—may deem crucial might not quite make the cut.

      • voegelinian says

        Mar 20, 2014 at 3:19 am

        I’ll leave it to others to send in stories. I don’t feel comfortable contacting Spencer who the last time referred to me in public (i.e. in a JW comment thread) as a “clown” (not to mention many earlier unpleasant slurs here and in a strange three-way email blitz he and “awake” indulged in against me).

        • CGW says

          Mar 20, 2014 at 4:49 am

          C’mon, LL, really? You don’t see that you did (or wrote) anything objectionable about RS or Jihad Watch that contributed to the whole brouhaha?

        • voegelinian says

          Mar 20, 2014 at 1:18 pm

          Insulting someone is an immature response to robust intellectual criticism.

  21. Champ ✿ says

    Mar 19, 2014 at 3:57 pm

    islam = religion of peace?

    Nah!

    islam = satanic cult intent on evil jihad!

    mohammedans are either plotting terrorist attacks through jihad, or they’re covering for the criminals who are–both are criminals and evildoers! islam be gone!!

  22. Dag says

    Mar 19, 2014 at 5:06 pm

    Can I comment again?

    • gravenimage says

      Mar 19, 2014 at 5:31 pm

      Good to see you back, Dag!

  23. Dag says

    Mar 19, 2014 at 5:19 pm

    WOW!

    I’ll be back later.

    Regards,
    Son of Walker

    • dumbledoresarmy says

      Mar 19, 2014 at 5:57 pm

      Welcome back! Your absence *was* noticed and your contribution missed.

      Looking forward to finding out (subject to security considerations, given that here “the walls have ears”) what you have been up to whilst incommunicado.

  24. gravenimage says

    Mar 19, 2014 at 5:29 pm

    “The fight against China is our Islamic responsibility and we have to fulfill it”
    …………………………………

    And please note that this pious Muslim is not fighting China because of Chinese Communism, but just because China is an Infidel nation that has shown some resistance to Jihad.

    More:

    He believes that it is his Islamic responsibility to fight against the Chinese. Other Muslims the world over have proclaimed that they believe it is their Islamic responsibility to fight against the Americans, the British, the Australians, the Indians, and so on and on.
    …………………………………

    Yes—all Infidel lands are in the same boat here.

    More:

    China, Pakistan’s only major ally in the region, has long urged Islamabad to weed out what it says are militants from its western region of Xinjiang, who are holed up in a lawless tribal belt, home to a lethal mix of militant groups, including the Taliban and al Qaeda.
    …………………………………

    Good luck with that—just as Pakistan harbored Osama bin Laden, they harbor Jihadists of all stripes, and only occasionally take an “anti-terrorism” stance when Jihadists directly threaten the Pakistani government—and sometimes not even then…

    More:

    Beijing has called the Kunming bloodshed a “terrorist attack” carried out by militants…
    …………………………………

    And why would anyone put “sneer quotes” around such a statement? This Jihad terror attack was very much of a piece with attacks on train stations in India and Russia, and train attacks in Spain and Britain.

    More:

    “China is not only our enemy, but it is the enemy of all Muslims …
    …………………………………

    Of course China is not their only enemy. Pious Muslims see the entire non-Muslim world as their enemy…

    More:

    “…Muslims will take revenge.”…
    …………………………………

    The Muslim mindset in a nutshell—taking bloody “revenge” for every imagined slight. *Ugh*.

  25. jewdog says

    Mar 19, 2014 at 6:30 pm

    You see, Islam doesn’t discriminate: It’s against everyone who opposes them. They will enslave and kill without regard to race or religion (outside their own, and that’s strictly subject to review). The universality of Islam is what really impresses me as I’m sure it does everyone else who is opposed to racism in any form. I can understand the Left’s infatuation.

    • veggiedog says

      Mar 19, 2014 at 6:43 pm

      jewdog, yes, you are correct.

  26. southeuropean says

    Mar 19, 2014 at 7:17 pm

    Racism is the fifth cologne on this site..
    Imagine if there is a link between saudi arabia and the bloodtirsty uygurs. Imagine how will the Chinese react if they find out the connection…

  27. Kepha says

    Mar 19, 2014 at 9:41 pm

    This thread has gotten strange.

    @Ismail:

    Belief in the virgin birth of Jesus and his resurrection is not “scientific illiteracy”. This belief in miracles presupposes both a regular order to the created world (which our science explores and tentatively describes) and a God who transcends it.

    One does not need a Ph.D. in biology to know the ordinary facts of life and that the dead stay dead–absent something very strange and wonderful. indeed, I suspect that people in 1st century A.D. Judaea were more conversant with these “facts of life and death” than the likes of you and me. After all, they were peasants who grew up watching farm animals at work and play. They probably lived in cramped quarters, with kids sharing the same sleeping space as Ma and Pa, and probably early on guessing that baby brother had something to do with the lump in mama’s tummy and the “wrestling” that went on between parents.

    Further, since they often buried their dead (who probably died in the bosoms of their families) in family-owned caves, they knew very well that when Uncle Abraham went to join Auntie Sarah and they deposited him in such a sepulchre, the bones lying where Auntie Sarah was laid a couple of years earlier were what was left of her.

    Hence, the proper response to the virgin birth and the resurrection of Jesus is not to scoff at the supposed “stupidity” of people who probably had tons more common sense than many “well-educated” people today; but it should be:

    Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people, and hath raised up an horn of salvation in the house of his servant David (Luke 1:68-69).

    Maybe God shook your faith in the message of Muhammad and the Qur’an to open you to His real revelation.

    Did you ever wonder why the Jews and Christians, who did not cooperate for millennia, wrangle over essentially the same Old Testament, or why various sects of Christians, who were similarly uncooperative, have wrangled over the same Old and New Testaments? None of the Da’wa boys have ever explained that to me.

    And, as for poking us about the decline of the so-called “white” race, not all of us here are all the way “white”; and I suspect some of us are not “white” at all.

    • veggiedog says

      Mar 19, 2014 at 10:07 pm

      Kepha, excellent post. Thank you.

      • Islamisdeath says

        Mar 19, 2014 at 10:31 pm

        You are correct in everything you said.

    • Champ ✿ says

      Mar 20, 2014 at 12:07 pm

      Kepha wrote:

      “Belief in the virgin birth of Jesus and his resurrection is not “scientific illiteracy”. This belief in miracles presupposes both a regular order to the created world (which our science explores and tentatively describes) and a God who transcends it.”

      True, Kepha, and thank you …

      And Got Questions elaborates on this issue in more detail:

      Question: “Why is the Virgin Birth so important?”

      Answer: The doctrine of the virgin birth is crucially important (Isaiah 7:14; Matthew 1:23; Luke 1:27, 34). First, let’s look at how Scripture describes the event. In response to Mary’s question, “How will this be?” (Luke 1:34), Gabriel says, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you” (Luke 1:35). The angel encourages Joseph to not fear marrying Mary with these words: “What is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit” (Matthew 1:20). Matthew states that the virgin “was found to be with child through the Holy Spirit” (Matthew 1:18). Galatians 4:4 also teaches the Virgin Birth: “God sent His Son, born of a woman.”

      More here:

      http://www.gotquestions.org/virgin-birth.html

  28. Kepha says

    Mar 19, 2014 at 10:04 pm

    So Pakistan is playing a double game with China, just as it has played one with the USA.

    But I’m not really surprised at all of this. Back in the 1990’s, when I lived in Guangzhou, the Uighur migrants sold some pretty good substitutes for bagels, pizza crust, and pita, so we patronized them. Between that and travelers’ tales, I got the sense that the lesson the Uighurs learned from the Soviet collapse was not that they were better off in an expanding Chinese economy, but that Big Brother was mortal.

    And, speaking of such a “Lao Da Ge” (老大哥), the Uighurs knew they wouldn’t have been part of the Chinese polity without a 19th century military conquest, and that the regime they lived under since 1949 bombarded them with shrill, self-righteous propaganda about evil, evil Western colonialism and imperialism; so Islam or no, my suspicion is that they got sick of the “We’ve been kicked, so we’re gonna kick our dog, namely you” treatment that they’d gotten from the Chinese state. I suspect that had they remained Church of the East Christians, or converted en masse when the Evangelicals first approached them a century ago, they might very well be exhibiting a similar disgruntled attitude towards their current rulers.

    Goodness knows I’m not defending the stabbing of those people in Kunming. And, as a Christian, I hold no candle for Islam.

    Even some of my own distant Hakka and Hoklo kin in the far southeast of China, who are not Muslims at all, are also rioting about working conditions, forced abortions, corrupt cadre stiffing them in land deals–and these were people whose fathers contributed greatly to both Nationalist and Communist revolutions. The Chinese state at this point needs something better than jackboot nationalism to stick together. There’s totalitarian decay going on over there, just like there was in the Soviet Union earlier–just not as rapid, and possibly cushioned by economic compromise.

    And, as for the Marxists saving us from Islam, fuggedaboudit, as they say in Brooklyn. Marxists, especially of the Gramscian variety, have been some of the biggest contributors to weakening the West against Islamic inroads. And many of those same Gramscians, if they’re my grandfatherly age, when young would’ve gladly eaten a fresh, steaming t@rd from Old Mao’s (**censored**) 屎屋over the best Texas or Nebraska steak. Methinks Marxism may have worked some of the same sort of degenerative work in China, too.

    • gravenimage says

      Mar 19, 2014 at 10:44 pm

      Kepha wrote:

      I suspect that had they remained Church of the East Christians, or converted en masse when the Evangelicals first approached them a century ago, they might very well be exhibiting a similar disgruntled attitude towards their current rulers…
      ………………………………

      Kepha—with all respect—you know as well as I do—better, perhaps—that there are huge numbers of “disgruntled” Christians in China.

      These oppressed Christians are *not* going on rampages stabbing civilians to death in train stations.

      I have *no* love for Communist China, but the idea that these bloody Jihadists are just responding to rational grievances is way off base.

      The are not opposing China because of oppressive policies, but because China is just another “filthy Infidel” state.

      • voegelinian says

        Mar 20, 2014 at 1:25 pm

        I have noticed asymptotic spasms from Kepha before. Only those Jihad Watchers who impulsively and sentimentally assume the best about their fellow JW commenters (for some reason, that habit among Jihad Watchers rarely works in my favor, lol) would be surprised — when they are not stubbornly in denial of such spasms.

        I wouldn’t care that much about this stupidity, were there not lives of our loved ones and fellow citizens on the line.

        • Kepha says

          Mar 20, 2014 at 7:32 pm

          Voegelinian: Spasm? Asymptomatic?

          I believe I’ve made it very clear over the years that while I have no great love for Islam, I’m not absolutely sure that we need a worldwide crusade and grand alliance of Christians, Jews, sexual perverts, Marxists, and whatnot to fight a new world war.

          We “made the world safe for democracy” in 1917, including helping see to it that Germany’s Chinese concessions went to Japan, and thus inviting further instability and tension across the Far East. We saw the self-determination of the small nations of eastern Europe turn the region into a hunting ground for the big dictatorships.

          Then we had the war to end war 1941-45–although for Europeans, and especially the Chinese, it was much longer. We ended up making the world safe for Stalinism.

          And have I ever shed tears over the likes of OBL or Awlaki? I don’t think I exactly provided a cheering section for the O administration’s adventures in Libya and Syria.

          No, I just think that US foreign policy needs to recognize a few limits to power and choose its fights very, very carefully–especially when an ill-chosen one might give a second wind to 20th century totalitarianism, which I still consider to have been a very dangerous and destructive chapter in history.

        • gravenimage says

          Mar 21, 2014 at 7:44 pm

          Kepha wrote:

          Then we had the war to end war 1941-45…We ended up making the world safe for Stalinism.
          ………………………..

          Actually, it was WWI which was supposed to be the “war to end all wars”.

          And ever since I learned of the circumstances of the Soviet’s brutal land grab in Eastern Europe, I had wondered if the rest of the Allies should have done more to prevent Stalin’s aggression.

          But even given that—something I would *never* make light of—I still find it hard to believe that any decent person can make a case for our simply failing to oppose Fascism.

          Can we really suppose that a world where Hitler and Tojo were allowed to triumph would have been a better one?

          More:

          No, I just think that US foreign policy needs to recognize a few limits to power and choose its fights very, very carefully–especially when an ill-chosen one might give a second wind to 20th century totalitarianism, which I still consider to have been a very dangerous and destructive chapter in history.
          ………………………..

          Granted, every action is apt to have unintended consequences—some quite destructive.

          But is it *really* reasonable to posit that we should avoid opposing the bloody threat of Islam because that might—somehow—kindle a resurgence of the Nazis or the Stalinists?

          Not only does this—with respect—seem rather unlikely in and of itself, but even if it *were* true, it’s hard to consider our having to confront those horrors again would be worse than our passively allowing ourselves to fall to Islam.

    • Mazo says

      Mar 20, 2014 at 12:39 am

      Kepha-

      First of all, these particular Uyghur seperatists (Turkestan Islamic Party) are allied to Tehreek e Taliban Pakistan (TTP) which nearly devotes all of its efforts to fighting the Pakistani state, and not the Americans.

      There are different Taliban organizations. Afghan Taliban is made out of Quetta Shura of Mullah Omar and the Haqqani Network. They fight only against America in Afghanistan, and Pakistan openly aids Haqqani network (according to America) and tolerates Quetta Shura.

      Pakistani Taliban (Tehreek e Taliban Pakistan) nearly spends all its efforts at suicide bombing Pakistanis and attacking the Pakistani military.

      So no, Pakistan is not playing the double game here with China.

      Secondly, China did not conquer the Uyghurs in the 19th century. If you are even familiar with Qing history, you would know that the Uyghurs were first conquered by the Dzungar Mongols (Buddhists) and that the Uyghurs revolted against the Dzungars and asked China for aid and help, voluntarily submitting to Chinese rule in the 18th century in exchange for China expelling the hated Dzungars from their territory. That is why the Qing allowed Kumul to remain as a vassal state, because Kumul submitted to the Qing rule in exchange for help against the Dzungars.

      Thirdly, as for colonialism, you have posted on this blog before about China acting in a colonial manner by dumping colonists on Uyghur land- which is blatantly false.

      Northern Xinjiang is called Dzungaria for a reason- that reason is because it was Dzungar land, not Uyghur. Uyghurs are native to the Tarim Basin in the south. After the Qing destroyed the Dzungar threat, it wiped nearly all of them out in a massive genocide. The Qing then repopulated Dzungaria with Han, Hui, Manchu, Xibe, and Uyghurs. But the Qing banned Han from settling in the Tarim in south Xinjiang to avoid tension with Uyghurs.

      The Communists have continued Qing policy, settling Han mostly in Dzungaria where almost all of them in Xinjiang live today. Not on Uyghur land. Dzungaria is where most resources in Xinjiang are located, so its not stealing from Uyghurs, its stealing from Dzungars.

      Go to southern Xinjiang in the Tarim Basin, and there is a massive, over 90% Uyghur majority.

      On the other hand, America did engage in this blatant colonial settlement you describe China as doing. America first of all did it on its own territory against the Native Americans and Hawaiians, and secondly, America did it in the Philippines, when it militarily conquered the Muslim Moro in Mindanao and Sulu after violating the Bates Treaty, and then settled millions of Filipino Christians in Mindanao in a colonial type manner, the Americans believed the Christian Filipinos would “civilize” the Moro “savages”, and now you have the Moro insurgents fighting against Philippine colonial rule. The Philippine state is even more corruptthan China, look at their politicians and police, and Moros live in abject poverty and explotation, while the Philippines siphons off Mindanao’s resources. And America has supported them since their independence.

      I am not a supporter of the Communist Party, yet I cannot see anything wrong with them describing American policies as colonialist. You haven’t replied to what I said about the Philippines before.

      By the way Kepha, a large part of modern Uyghurs are not descended from the medieval Nestorian Christian and Manichaen Uyghurs of Qocho, actually most of the Uyghur population around Kashgar and the western Tarim are descended from Karluk and Yaghma Turks of the Karakhanids. They were pagan Tengrists before converting to Islam and never Christian.

      The sole reason why modern Uyghurs are called Uyghurs is because the Soviets gave them that name and the Communists copied the Soviet ethnic designation.

      • gravenimage says

        Mar 20, 2014 at 5:23 pm

        Mazo wrote:

        So no, Pakistan is not playing the double game here with China.
        ……………………………

        Really? I suppose China is concerned over nothing, then:

        “From his Pakistan hideout, Uighur leader vows revenge on China”

        http://in.reuters.com/article/2014/03/14/pakistan-uighurs-idINDEEA2D08U20140314

        “China, Pakistan’s only major ally in the region, has long urged Islamabad to weed out what it says are militants from its western region of Xinjiang, who are holed up in a lawless tribal belt, home to a lethal mix of militant groups, including the Taliban and al Qaeda.”

        The fact is that Uyghurs are using Pakistan as a base from which to wage violent Jihad against China, and they are doing so, it seems, with impunity.

        More:

        Thirdly, as for colonialism, you have posted on this blog before about China acting in a colonial manner by dumping colonists on Uyghur land- which is blatantly false…
        ……………………………

        The fact is that one of the many Uyghur “grievances’ has been that China is bringing in non-Muslims, principally Han Chinese.

        Whether this complaint is strictly accurate, like so many other Muslim grievances, scarcely matters to Mohammedans.

        Here’s one such story:

        “Uighurs have long complained of Beijing’s policy towards Xinjiang province. Millions of Han Chinese have moved to the province in the past several decades, causing its proportion of ethnic Han to rise from 6.7 percent in 1949 to 40 percent in 2008. Uighurs – who are predominantly Muslim – complain that the migrants take their jobs…”

        http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2013/12/inside-china-troubled-far-west-2013126123055418537.html

        And another:

        “Beijing has also been accused of seeking to dilute Uighur influence by arranging the mass immigration of Han Chinese, the country’s majority ethnic group, to Xinjiang.

        Uighurs have become a minority in Xinjiang due to this influx.”

        http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-22278037

        There are many more.

        The implication that Kepha simply invented this grievance himself is inaccurate.

        • Mazo says

          Mar 23, 2014 at 6:18 am

          Except the fact that your media is blatantly lying when it says that Han are moving into Uyghur land, because Dzungaria is not Uyghur land, there is a reason its called DZUNGARia, not UYGHURIa.

          Most Han in Xinjiang live in Dzungaria and not the Tarim Basin.

          Your media has an agenda against countries it doesn’t like- always attacking China and never the Philippines which swamped Moro Muslims in Mindanao with tens of millions of Filipino colonists. I am sympathetic to the Moro cause.

          Kepha has been to China and knows Chinese history so I would assume that he would be more careful than to parrot lies repeated in your media.

          Pakistan has also been fighting the TTP and actually those Uyghurs in TIP holed up in Waziristan with the TTP have not been launching attacks on China, do I need to repeat myself again?

          Those Uyghur TIP members are armed with guns and rpgs. They are stuck in Pakistan and have not been crossing over to raid China. The Uyghurs committing attacks in China are armed with knives and bladed weapons, they were inspired by TIP videos and propaganda but not supplied nor trained by them.

          The TIP Uyghurs have been busy helping their TTP friends fight the Pakistani government.

      • Kepha says

        Mar 20, 2014 at 7:41 pm

        @Mazo and Graven

        Mazo, thank you for adding further detail. Had I gone into the Lama Buddhist Dzungars and which Turks are which, I’d have gone on too long. Glad someone else can contribute something.

        And, thanks for the backup, Graven.

        But, another point:

        If I have learned anything in my few and evil days, it is that the rest of the world has its history and its own peculiar tensions long before the great, enlightened, Western “we” get involved.

        Also, as a regular reader of the Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments, I am well aware that history goes back very far, and it isn’t over until we hear that trumpet and see the Lord returning on the clouds of heaven.

        • gravenimage says

          Mar 21, 2014 at 7:50 pm

          Kepha wrote:

          And, thanks for the backup, Graven.
          …………………..

          Sure, Kepha.

  29. Lion Rampant says

    Mar 19, 2014 at 11:46 pm

    I used to blog at the WordPress site, so it is good to see your names here.
    I liked the name ‘Alarmed pig farmer’ in particular.
    To me the the whole Left – Right nexus is now almost irrelevant, especially now with Islam in the ascendancy as the new totalitarian ideology.
    For inspiration, and I use this word deliberately, I look to part of the West’s heritage, the ancient Greeks and I hope this is right Plato who postulated three states of polity and based them on the three elements: Air, water and stone or wood. These correspond to anarchy, democracy and Tyranny respectively. The modern equivalent of tyranny is totalitarianism of which the three most important ones are: to put crudely
    Communism, an economic totalitarianism
    Fascism, a racist totalitarianism and
    Islam, a religious totalitarianism
    As the name states, it is the totality of the ideology that counts.
    Individuals and institutions that promote individual rights do not count and must be destroyed.
    “War is deceit” sayeth the prophet and if you cannot immediately subdue the Kuffar then the faithful must practice taquiya . Institutions that admit islam are tools to be used and them and the useful idiots employed there are to be
    destroyed when the time and circumstances are right. So we in the West are to be assailed from both within and out. As this article shows islam is willing to take on other ideologies.
    I remember that in the days leading up to the Beijing Olympic games the Chinese govt released to the media a Uigher plot to plant bombs in the area.
    As far as I am aware no European, American or other governments congratulated the Chinese for their efforts. All we got was a reproach to protect minority rights. This is what we are up against – apathy and ignorance.
    But to use an American expression, It aint over till its over.
    Best regards.

  30. dumbledoresarmy says

    Apr 2, 2014 at 6:07 am

    Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus.

    And this particular “draco” isn’t even really “dormiens”.

  31. dumbledoresarmy says

    Apr 2, 2014 at 6:13 am

    Wise words from the English-language “North China Herald”, more than 100 years ago; as shared by a jihadwatch poster early in 2005.

    “If politeness and ceremony be observed toward Mohammedans, they imagine they are feared and become arrogant; but in showing severity and rudeness, they are impressed with fear and respect, and they are supple and manageable.”
    –North China Herald, 1867
    Posted by: unicorns62000 at January 16, 2005 4:30 AM

    • Mazo says

      Apr 3, 2014 at 12:18 am

      Wise words which can be applied to western and Japanese imperialists.

      Most of China’s officer corp in northwest China was full of Hui, Salar, and Dongxiang Muslims, and Yunnan officers also had many Hui.

      When the British backed 13th Dalai Lama tried to invade China in 1932, he got his rear kicked to kingdom come when the Hui Muslim soldiers of the Republic of China beat his army so badly that they were forced to flee for their lives and give up territory back to China.

      Something the current Dalai Lama never likes to mention, about his predecessor’s unprovoked military aggresion against China.

      When Western Imeprialiasts invaded China in 1900, they received a massive thrashing by Boxers, Hui Muslims, Han and Manchu bannermen at their first attempt to make it to Beijing.

      No amount of BS and repetitive quoting will get past the truth.

  32. Qutuz says

    May 25, 2014 at 6:06 pm

    More Muslim hating from the Beijing based Han Chinese ANTHONY TAO on his filthy disgusting “Beijing Cream” website here. He accuses Muslim Uyghurs of being transgender dancing boys: http://beijingcream.com/2014/05/dfxj-so-you-think-uyghurs-can-dance/
    We need to weed out this infidel scum perpetrating lies he is a puppet of the Communists spreading hate and filth.

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