This is not surprising. British authorities are so determined to accommodate Islamic legal and cultural norms that it is perfectly understandable that this man thought that an FGM helpline was designed not to prevent the practice, but to make it available. And if Britain continues to accommodate Sharia, that is exactly what it will become. The prosecutions of those who perform this barbaric operation and ask for it to be done have been long delayed, and ultimately will do nothing to stop it, since it is based on Islamic religious imperatives; they’ll only just drive it farther underground. And ultimately, the British authorities will have to choose between their accommodation of Islam and Muslims and their disapproval of this practice. I am fully confident, based on precedent up to now, that they will choose the former.
“Doctor becomes first person in Britain charged with performing a Female Genital Mutilation procedure,” by Martin Evans for the Telegraph, March 21 (thanks to Daniel Greenfield):
…One of the old cases involved a man calling an FGM helpline, intended for victims, to ask for the procedure to be carried out on his two daughters….
B Hall says
Come on. FGM is Allah’s will. After all, Allah made a mistake when he designed women’s bodies, so he gave his followers the mission to correct that mistake.
Ooops.
PJG says
“Allah made a mistake when he designed women’s bodies, so he gave his followers the mission to correct that mistake.”
Not too sure about that. Allah, after all, is very clever. Devilishly so. Men married to women who have had their clitorises removed crave a normal woman, so they look for unmutilated women as a second wife, and hey presto, with the Islamic marriage laws, non-Muslim women are dragged into the system, with the imperative that their children are raised Muslim. Polygamy and FGM are a recipe for Islamic expansion. Allah made no mistake, but don’t forget he didn’t care much for women. Normal female desire, like anything, can be used to further Islam. Take my word for it. I have an uncanny ability to get people to talk!!!
(Not sure if Allah worked out how to proceed when all the world is Islamic. Maybe that’s when Islam slithers back into a hole like a snake…)
ibn Muslim says
She is less likely to whore around if she is not so horny. This is why she has to be cut…
But for the man it is the same – pussy is a pussy 🙂
Jax Tolmen says
Not sure if serious – can you elaborate?
ibn Muslim says
Sure I can elaborate. Cutting is there to decrease female sex drive. This is why it is said cut, but do not cut too much.
This is a way too get a lovely and faithful wife. Anyhow, only a woman with penis inside her feels wholesome, regardless of whether she is cut or not.
Islam brings harmony into human relations. Muhammad was a perfect man and he is an example to all of us.
Asiyah says
Wrong! A woman’s sole purpose in this earth isn’t for a man. U can get a lovely wife by being a loyal, upright, and a God fearing man, that deserves that kind of woman. What virgin should want a man who wasn’t man enough to serve God and serve himself by waiting, building his life in faith, n service to God. Why should she want the filthy hands, and mind of a degenerate man like yourself to touch her, nevertheless to become your bride. Its men with this outlook who call themselves Muslim’s, that give real Moslems a bad reflection. It’s men with this opinion that care nothing about women. Not even in the personage of their own Mother’s, Aunts, sisters, or daughter’s. Weak men hiding behind God’s law to hurt, mame, n degrade others. My duaas are with you. You need them.
Kasey says
Yes, if perfection comes from being a savage revengeist butcher, a pedefile and a murderer.
Salah says
“Muhammad was a perfect man and he is an example to all of us.”
Please, watch this PPS.
The Perfect Man of Islam
http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2010/12/perfect-man-of-islam.html
citycat says
But she doesn’t get the choice.
bill says
So you believe women should not enjoy sex but men are free to do so.
Therefore you make it clear that in Islam women are just there for the pleasure and use of men, to clean the house, cook, produce babies preferably male and provide sex on demand.
No surprise there Mr Muslim
Itinerant says
‘the perfect man’
If one desires 9 year old girls,robs,lies,cheats,steals,murders,rapes and justifies it by claiming divine inspiration.
If one assassinates poets for having the sheer temerity to criticise.If one kills an entire village to get to the headmans wife etc etc etc.
Perfect ? utterly flawed,all too human and riven with sexual perversions and hatred.If that’s your idea of perfect I’d hate to see what you consider flawed.
Ron says
That is why the muslim’s are ma king everything wholesome around the world by blowing up bombs and cutting of heads.
enwhitenment says
ibn muslime,
You appear to understand about as much of female anatomy as muhommed.
And yes he was a perfect example of what can go wrong with man.
Geoffrey says
“Cutting is there to decrease female sex drive…This is a way too(sic) get a lovely and faithful wife.”
A bit lacking in self-confidence and the ability to think, are we?
Here is a little shocking revelation for you: a woman’s loveliness and faithfulness do not magically result from your barbaric practice of FGM.
Jax Tolmen says
I hope that you do not have any daughters, and I also hope you are not married. Cultural differences do not excuse the fact that you are a terrible, misguided, sick human being.
On a side note, if you possessed any sexual prowess what so ever (which clearly you do not as you feel it is necessary to perpetrate such horrendous acts of mutilation) she might be inclined to stay faithful. However, even then – I would forgive a woman of her transgressions if she chose to leave a filthy degenerate such as yourself.
This just goes to demonstrate that the greatest victims of Islam are women. You remove their freedom and teach them that they deserve to be raped if they do not cover themselves. You people make me sick.
Asiyah says
Masha Allah, Allah has grace upon ur ignorant representation. No where has Allah allowed this violation in regard to Women. Women were given a charge in drawing their veils from the Harrassment, glares, and stares of Men. Too be women who promote and example the protection for neighboring women, their husbands, sons, n daughter’s. For the betterment of the community and society as a whole. I believe it’s a real bias and stupid statement to implicate God created the woman, yet he deemed her a curse and responsible for the uncontrolled lewdness of ungodly men hiding behind Shahada and the real intent of Sharia law. Biblical and historical facts proves all women covered. It was a symbol of their virtue, submission, obedience, and power among their sisterhood. If it wasn’t for feminist and the idiocy of bra burning, women would be more tastefully displayed today. U can cut every woman’s genitalia. It’ll never give a man morals if he lacks them. Like yourself, you’re ending comment proves my point.
enwhitenment says
Funny how for 70,000 years humans only wore clothing depending on weather conditions & God let them live.
It seems muslims are the only ones with body issues.
Could it be that muhammed was just so ugly & physically inferior to others that he insisted on full dress ?
Islam is just stuck in the dark ages for all to see.
Jax Tolmen says
Whilst I applaud your condemnation of FGM, I must point out that the rest of your statement is a logical fallacy. Women are entitled to freedom, just as men are – this is a value the west holds dear; as such, the majority of the West will never adopt the Islamic doctrine that demands the veiling of women.
This is the Western world, Sharia is not welcome here. We have progressed far beyond the primitive trappings of a 1400 year old legal system. The West is better in every way, shape and form and we have nothing to learn from Islam or the Middle East.
Defcon 4 says
What about those dancing boys though ibn Muslim? Do they also make you horny when they dress up like women and dance like slave girls?
Afghani muslime poem: I see a little boy across the river with buttocks like a peach, alas I cannot swim.
Jay Boo says
Defcon 4 you have revealed one of the true purposes of the Islamic veil that (Asiyah ) above comments about so fondly.
(The other purpose of the Islamic veil of course is to hide kidnapped pre-teen girls from their searching relatives.)
Angemon says
“One of the old cases involved a man calling an FGM helpline, intended for victims, to ask for the procedure to be carried out on his two daughters”
>_<
That guy's parents wouldn't happen to be first cousins, would they?
Seriously, what's the deal with muslims not doing their research properly? Between this guy calling a helpline for FGM victims to order the procedure and the dozens of times i've had muslism "rebutting" my claims with links to videos/articles who actually rebutted their claims i’m starting to believe that functional illiteracy and a spoiled child-like attitude is a mandatory requirement in islam. It’s like they’re opposing me out of spite and reply to whatever i say with the first aptly-titled thing that pops out on a google search, regardless of the actual content.
A recent example: regarding slavery in islam, a muslim told me to do my research “outside wikiislam” and to “read the ACTUAL islamic sources” if i wanted to “know the truth” linked me to a post on another forum that was supposed to debunk my claims. That post was 3 sentences quoting another post saying that muhammad and islam ended slavery and the europeans and americans revived it and enslaved muslims because they were islamophobes followed by half a dozen paragraphs thoroughly rebutting those 3 sentences, using wikiislam (among others) as a source. I pointed that out and the muslim who pointed me to that post threw a tantrum and stormed out in a storm of flames and insults.
And apparently i’m not the only one experiencing this kind of phenomenon:
http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2014/03/yahya-snow-posts-attack-on-allah.html
mortimer says
The low IQs of Muslims after FIFTY GENERATIONS OF COUSIN MARRIAGE are probably not studied properly, but sub-Saharan Muslim countries have the lowest national IQs on earth…under 70!
Because of the low IQs these peoples are unemployable.
vickie says
Angemon here is a great site-
http://www.frontline.org.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=824:the-scourge-of-slavery-the-rest-of-the-story&catid=27:islam-cat&Itemid=196
Angemon says
Thanks for the link. I already know the story with muslim slave traders monopolizing the african slave trade and their slave raids in european shores. I even know a few people who some generations ago had relatives who were fishermen and sailors going on their daily life and were captured by north african slave traders… i mean, pious muslims who considered it was their right and duty to plunder and enslave those who didn’t acknowledge muhammad as a prophet.
Defcon 4 says
I’ve read that debating w/a scuzzlum is like playing chess w/a pigeon, you might be winning, but at some point the pigeon is going to knock all the pieces down and crap all over the chess board.
Does anyone seriously believe scuzzlums aren’t practicing FGM in whatever amoral, apathetic western democracy in which they reside?
voegelinian says
There is a point where a mountain of data and an ocean of dots screaming to be connected motivates the rational man to draw a reasonable inference — and to commit to the judgement of that inference. Here, in the Counter-Jihad (someday hopefully to become an actual Anti-Islam Movement), “We few, we happy few, we band of brothers” and sisters know (or should know, by now) that mountain and that ocean — the mountain daily looming larger like a volcano, the ocean daily burgeoning beyond its bourn with tidal waves; and it behooves us to move rationally to the next step and commit to the judgement that is, precisely, a pre-judgement.
I know this will insidiously itch and rankle those in the Counter-Jihad who still suffer from signs and symptoms of the PC MC virus (even if only in the form of a scratchy throat, a few sniffles, a dry cough, a slight fever), but we need to have, and to hold, prejudice against all Muslims.
Not because we know enough to condemn them all equally as being a deadly and pernicious sociopolitical & ideological demographic — but rather because that aforementioned mountain and ocean indicate preponderantly that to do otherwise, and to give Muslims the benefit of the doubt which we reasonably give to any other people on Earth, would endanger our society in lethal ways — mass murders, destruction of property and social dislocations — now and our children’s and grandchildren’s society in this coming century.
Defcon 4 says
I don’t give the benefit of the doubt to Nazis or KKK members, why should I give the benefit of the doubt to anyone of an equally disgusting and vile ideology, that of pisslam?
voegelinian says
Nazis and KKK number very few as a tiny minority, are concentrated in only a few countries, and are by now marginal and not doing any damage nor threatening much for the future. In addition, the vast majority in the West agrees that they are pernicious.
Muslims number hundreds of millions all over the world in nearly every country on the planet. In addition, the majority throughout the West continues to indulge the mush of thought-and-feeling that tends to want to defend Muslims in the name of protecting “diversity” and defending against “bigotry”. The priniple I outlined in my previous comment — the need for the West to adopt prejudice against all Muslims, is extremely vulnerable to charges of “bigotry” and most even in the Counter-Jihad would shrink back from it like shrinking violets, timid and anxious lest they anger the PC MCs who dominate in their culture all around them (or who even lurk more insidiously, psychologically within their hearts and minds as internal censors against thought crimes). Indeed, my principle would be seen by most in the mainstream — and by a few even within the Counter-Jihad — as ominously indicative of the evils of precisely the Nazis and KKK.
Meanwhile, some of the precious few in the Counter-Jihad who would embrace my principle may do it a bit too juicily and wholeheartedly, revealing glimpses of a slipped mask of Breivikian jingoism.
Tommy Peters says
Richard Whittington spun in his grave!
Jay Boo says
We could put up a poster of this as bus ads
to aid cultural understanding of foreign tourists visiting the UK along with a British guide to FGM.
Jay Boo says
Sadly, not so great anymore Britain-istan
Davegreybeard says
@Asiyah
“Its men with this outlook who call themselves Muslim’s, that give real Moslems a bad reflection.”
A completely mindless statement Asiyah, as you well know it is not for YOU to question those who have been given responsibility over you:
4:34 “Men are superior to women on account of the qualities with which God hath gifted the one above the other…”
“I believe it’s a real bias and stupid statement to implicate God created the woman, yet he deemed her a curse and responsible for the uncontrolled lewdness of ungodly men hiding behind Shahada and the real intent of Sharia law.”
And once again it is YOU that is making “stupid statements” for as you well know a Muslima is put on earth for the pleasure of her man, be he husband or slave master. So it is YOU who deserve to be beaten:
4:34 “Virtuous women are obedient…” “But chide those for whose refractoriness ye have cause to fear; remove them into beds apart, and scourge (beat) them…”
It is the MAN that determines morals in Islam.So curb your tongue whore, lest you suffer the wrath of the MEN who follow Allah.
ibn Muslim says
It is the same in the Bible, but the infidel West just keeps ignoring these verses:
1 Corinthians 11:3 – But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman [is] the man; and the head of Christ [is] God.
Genesis 3:16 – Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire [shall be] to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
1 Peter 3:7 – Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with [them] according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered.
For infidels, Xanthippe (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xanthippe#Character ) is the “ideal wife” – the hardest to get along with of all the women there are.
Because children really appreciate when parents argue. Instead of getting along in love, the household is full of disharmony. Then they get divorced, because they cannot get along. Really great!
Read:
(This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My favor upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion.) This, indeed, is the biggest favor from Allah to this Ummah, for He has completed their religion for them, and they, thus, do not need any other religion or any other Prophet except Muhammad . This is why Allah made Muhammad the Final Prophet and sent him to all humans and Jinn. Therefore, the permissible is what he allows, the impermissible is what he prohibits, the Law is what he legislates and everything that he conveys is true and authentic and does not contain lies or contradictions.
Softly Bob says
Mohammed was no final prophet. Mohammed was a tool of Satan who came along to destroy the word of God.
ccccccccccccccccccccccc says
This is why i am neither a christian or a muslim. I rather be free from you idiotic men.
ccccccccccccccccccccccc says
If they were both real, i would give them both a piece of my mind for creating you a-holes. In my family, it’s harmonious because there are no men rocking the tides..trying to use scare tactics..cheating or abuse! My girls are strong and independent! That’s how it should be. Love is stronger than the Koran and the Bible put together..both written by men! If it was written by a woman, it would be totally different. Think about it! Think how you destroy this earth by having men rule the countries? LOL
Jay Boo says
ccccccccccccccccc
Repeating your sleazed-in false equivalence doesn’t make it real.
Such an obvious TROLL
Please leave this topic about FGM to more experienced TROLLS
Rank Armature TROLL
Jay Boo says
ibn Muslim
Surely you must admit that Muslims who perform FGM are wrong.
Angemon says
The pathetic excuse for islamic apologist, ibn Muslim, posted:
“It is the same in the Bible”
Muslims claim that the Bible was corrupted and edited by men and therefore is not reliable. But not only are you appealing to the Bible, you’re also saying that what’s in the quran is the same as what’s in the Bible. Therefore, by your own logic, the quran is corrupted and edited by men, so it’s not reliable. The quran claims that muhammad is a messenger of god and the best example of conduit. But you just proved that the quran is not reliable, therefore your only choice is to stop being a muslim and stop worshipping and imitating muhammad.
“but the infidel West just keeps ignoring these verses”
Mark 5:25-34
New King James Version (NKJV)
25 Now a certain woman had a flow of blood for twelve years, 26 and had suffered many things from many physicians. She had spent all that she had and was no better, but rather grew worse. 27 When she heard about Jesus, she came behind Him in the crowd and touched His garment. 28 For she said, “If only I may touch His clothes, I shall be made well.”
29 Immediately the fountain of her blood was dried up, and she felt in her body that she was healed of the affliction. 30 And Jesus, immediately knowing in Himself that power had gone out of Him, turned around in the crowd and said, “Who touched My clothes?”
31 But His disciples said to Him, “You see the multitude thronging You, and You say, ‘Who touched Me?’”
32 And He looked around to see her who had done this thing. 33 But the woman, fearing and trembling, knowing what had happened to her, came and fell down before Him and told Him the whole truth. 34 And He said to her, “Daughter, your faith has made you well. Go in peace, and be healed of your affliction.”
It describes Jesus’ cure of a woman who suffered from menstrual bleeding for 12 years. In Judean society of the day, it was a major transgression for a man to talk to a woman other than his wife or children.
Luke 13:16
New King James Version (NKJV)
So ought not this woman, being a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan has bound—think of it—for eighteen years, be loosed from this bond on the Sabbath?”
It describes how he cured a woman from an indwelling Satanic spirit. He called her a daughter of Abraham, thus implying that she had equal status with sons of Abraham.
Luke 8:1-3
New King James Version (NKJV)
Many Women Minister to Jesus
8 Now it came to pass, afterward, that He went through every city and village, preaching and bringing the glad tidings of the kingdom of God. And the twelve were with Him, 2 and certain women who had been healed of evil spirits and infirmities—Mary called Magdalene, out of whom had come seven demons, 3 and Joanna the wife of Chuza, Herod’s steward, and Susanna, and many others who provided for Him[a] from their substance.
This is a description of the inner circle of Jesus’ followers: 12 male disciples and an unspecified number female supporters (Mary Magdalene, Joanna, Susanna and “many others.”) It would appear that about half of his closest followers were women.
Mark 10:11-12
New King James Version (NKJV)
11 So He said to them, “Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery against her. 12 And if a woman divorces her husband and marries another, she commits adultery.”
In Jesus’ time, a man could divorce his wife, but the wife had no right to divorce her husband. This practice is supported by seven references in the Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament) in which a husband can unilaterally give his wife a bill of divorce. There were no references to a woman giving her husband such a bill. In Mark 10:11-12, Jesus overthrows this tradition and states that neither spouse can divorce the other; he treats the wife and husband equally.
While it’s true that women in the OT were not treated in the same way as men, it’s also true that the OT was abrogated by the NT. So, the role of women in the New Testament is greatly increased over their role in the Old Testament. In fact, the symbol of the new covenant, baptism, is available to men and women equally. The symbol of the old covenant, circumcision, was only available to men. If you still have doubts, 1 Corinthians 7:4:
The wife does not have authority over her own body but yields it to her husband. In the same way, the husband does not have authority over his own body but yields it to his wife.
The idea of mutual ruling over each other’s bodies is unparalleled in previous Jewish thinking. It is a clear step forward.
Still have doubts?
Galatians 3:26-29
New King James Version (NKJV)
26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Men and women are equal in Christ. Men are not special, neither are Jews, Greeks, slave, nor free – all have equal access to Christ and are Abraham’s heirs. Compare that with the islamc tradition, who holds arab muslims above non-arab muslims, who are above dhimmi, who, in turn, are above slaves.
Angemon says
Just to drive my point home, let’s compare quran 2:223 with 1 Corinthians 7:4:
Quran 2:223 (Muhsin Khan translation)
Your wives are a tilth for you, so go to your tilth (have sexual relations with your wives in any manner as long as it is in the vagina and not in the anus), when or how you will, and send (good deeds, or ask Allah to bestow upon you pious offspring) before you for your ownselves. And fear Allah, and know that you are to meet Him (in the Hereafter), and give good tidings to the believers (O Muhammad SAW).
1 Corinthians 7:4:
The wife does not have authority over her own body but yields it to her husband. In the same way, the husband does not have authority over his own body but yields it to his wife.
Fields to tilth so go ahead and do as you please, not having authority over a woman’s body. According to ibn Muslim, it’s all the same thing.
Jay Boo says
Angemon
ibn Muslim and ccccccccccccc
Both might be one the same playing relay.
Angemon says
@Jay Boo
Probably. What i do know is that ibn sounds a lot like that mr. dude character would sound if he wasn’t too busy trying to pretend to be an atheist. Which seems to be the path ccccccccccccc is trying to thread on.
Charli Main says
@ Asiyah
” Wrong! a woman´s sole purpose in this earth isn´t for a man”
No, your wrong !! according to your Koran, that’s exactly what a woman´s purpose is.
Koran 2.223– WOMEN ARE YOUR FIELDS (OWNED POSSESSIONS). GO INTO YOUR FIELDS WHENCE YOU PLEASE.
A womans purpose in Islam is to be used, abused and treated like a piece of shit by Muslim men.
Stop being a brain dead, brain washed Muslima AND GET A REAL LIFE.!!!!!
Carmen Sporidis says
woman and man are creations of our Lord, just perfect. Mankind gave roles for savages impulses, but in the Muslim case this rules are perfect only for savages man. Ask a westerners doctor, who treated Muslim in Saudi Arabia. Their only concern is, how many times the can get a woman in one night. They are the real infidel.
Ayatrollah says
Why is this any different than male castration. Just saying. That is what people think. I used to hear terrible stories about it.
Jay Boo says
Duplicity from the dirty deed “Profession of Hate”
Notice how quickly a Muslim’s willful ignorance boils the truth in a pot of seething rage gathered up from Islamic vanity’s inevitable loss-of-face while doing deeds instigated from the depths of Muhammad’s disgrace.
Muslims blame others for their shameless duplicity.
Islam’s apologists will even pretend Islam is a religion and then claim Islamophobia just before they launch a self-righteous attack of other’s beliefs.
dumbledoresarmy says
Another story from Britain, relating to the subject of FGM.
It’s about the *reporting* of FGM in the British press. It’s quite interesting. There was near-silence about it; and then the stories began to be published; and there has been a perceptible change in the *number* of stories.
http://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_direct_link.cfm/blog_id/52341
Tuesday, 25 March 2014
FGM in the UK Press – before and after the EDL