That this is a story, that this is an incident, that there is an investigation over this, shows what clueless idiots the British authorities really are. The banner on the back of the van says, “There is no god but Allah, Muhammad is the prophet of Allah.”
That is the shahadah, the Islamic profession of faith. Every Muslim believes in it, or he or she is not a Muslim. It is not the property of al-Qaeda or of the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria. Those groups use it, of course, because of a fact that the British authorities determinedly ignore, deny, and downplay: they use it because they are Muslims fighting for Islam and because of Islam, energized and motivated by Islamic teachings and principles.
If the British start investigating on suspicion of terrorism every Muslim who holds up a banner saying that there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is his prophet, they’ll have to investigate every Muslim in the country. Anjem Choudary is no doubt a jihadist and probably has terror ties, and it is entirely justifiable to investigate him — but the grounds on which they have chosen to do so are going to entangle them in their own contradictions and willful denial of the reality of Islamic jihad — in ways that are likely to give them problems with Britain’s slick and self-serving “moderate” Muslim spokesmen like Maajid Nawaz and Mohammed Ansar. It couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch of people.
“Hate preacher investigated over driving ‘al-Qaeda van’ in London,” from Al Arabiya, March 9 (thanks to Mackie):
An extremist preacher who recently drove a van emblazoned with al-Qaeda logos on a busy London high street could face prosecution under the UK’s anti-terror laws, according to The Sunday Times.
Hate preacher Anjem Choudary and his followers staged what is being called the “al-Qaeda van” stunt last Saturday, on a busy road in northeast London.
The YouTube footage of the stunt was uploaded by a group called Need4Khilafah, the newspaper said.
The “road show” featured a white van with posters on its bonnet and back doors of the logo used by the Islamic State of Iraq and Sham (ISIS), a radical Islamic militant group fighting in war-torn Syria.
Choudary appears halfway through the footage, while chants of praise for Dawlet al-Islam, or ISIS, can be heard in the video.
“The former lawyer is careful not to be filmed with the ISIS logo, which is also seen on a badge being pinned to a child’s coat,” The Times said, referring to Choudary.
Abdul Muhid, one of Choudary’s followers, used a loud-speaker from inside the van to shout: “Islam is the solution for Great Britain, Islam is the solution for the world.”
One of the videos of the stunt garnered more than 7,000 view on YouTube.
“The use of this logo and the call for an Islamic state in London seems very reminiscent of ISIS in Syria,” Raffaello Pantucci, a senior research fellow at the Royal United Services Institute, told The Times.
“On paper, this group, Need4Khilafah, looks like al-Muhajiroun and its many offshoots. It’s the same group of people involved in the same type of activities.”
Meanwhile, Choudary was quoted by The Times as saying the usage of the logo is something “very common” to Muslims.
“It’s not something that belongs to ISIS or any organization like al-Qaeda,” he said. “It’s something that belongs to [all] Muslims.”
eib says
Holy religions do not need to be “fought for.”
They stand on their own, are spread through peace, because they are holy, and God desires peace.
God creates, he does not destroy.
He redeems, he does not imprison.
He sanctifies, he does not debase.
Islam is profane.
Every shot fired in its name, every person killed in its wars, shows its profanity to the eyes of the world and God.
Jerry says
The “Allah” portrayed by the self proclaimed fake “Prophet” has all the psychopatic attributes of its psychopath inventor.
A true God is the universal almighty creator, omnipotent, omniscient,
omni present and everlasting.
God has no need for sacrifices, human, animal or even vegetable.
God is not vain and does not need flattery.
God is not the enemy of any of his creation, and in particular not of decent human beings, so there is no need to fear God.
If it was God’s design to have everyone not only believe in him but also follow a particular secterian religion there would have been no need for a “Prophet” beause the desired belief system could have ingrained in each person’s mind from birth.
God is not so powerless as to need Jihaddists or other Zealots to defend him or to decide for him who is to be killed in his name.
God does not reside in a meteorite in a former pagan temple in Mecca, nor in a Mosque in Jerusalem, nor in the stones of the Western external wall of a destroyed Jewish Temple, nor in a Cathedral in Rome.
There are no true “Holy Places” on earth or elsewhere as the whole of Universe if of God’s creation and thus every part of his creation is just as holy as all others. Thus we must have proper respect and preserve every part of our enironment.
The “binding” Issac and or of Ishmael, respectively was not truly designed at a test of Abraham’s obedience to God.
In Abraham’s time human sacrifices including those of first born sons to man made Idols were a common practice and thus “not a big deal” as a test of obedience to God.
The true message was that the true and living creator had no need or wish for such a sacrifice, as later confirmed by later prophets.
In the begining God created the Universe and all life in it, including man.
Thereafter, arrogant men created the various religions and fashioned their perception of God in the light of their own attributes, including all their own shortcomings.
There is good news and bad news for both believer and atheist in the light of moderm Mathematics and Science (while the theories are far from being all encompassing or final).
There is no eternal life or the conventional believed in ressurrection in the face of the finality of life experienced in “flesh and blood” as it comes to end and its remains decay.
On the other hand, even if every known life form on earth gets one day to be “nuked” out of existance, all that happens is that some matter is disperesed and some transformed into energy and thus potentially are indestructible and able to transform into innumerable particles and quantae of energy to form possibly innumerable billions of new life forms.
Some, if little comfort for both believer and atheist.
billinghamboy says
Please do not worry about this.Christian street preachers are still being
taken into custody for preaching the Good News.We in the UK have got the
balance about right.(not)!
Charli Main says
Don´t worry folks.!!!!!
Its just the Muslims reminding all the non- Muslims, that’s its their country and that they are in charge.
Angemon says
“Hate preacher Anjem Choudary”
You know, in a way, I actually like Choudary. He’s a salafi (salafi follow islam as close as possible as it was practised by muhammad and his companions) and he tells it how it is: islam’s goal is to spread over the world, implementing sharia law to its fullest extent: stoning, amputations, subjugation of non-muslims, the whole 9 yards. And the part i like about him is that he sticks by his convictions, he doesn’t try to sugar-coat by saying something like “sharia is like water, there are many containers and it adapts to each one no matter the form”.
He goes out in public, states his beliefs and sticks by them, no matter how unpalatable and disgusting they may seem to Westerners. He said things like “Look, at the end of the day innocent people—when we say ‘innocent people’ we mean Muslims—as far as non-Muslims are concerned they have not accepted Islam and as far as we are concerned that is a crime against God“, referred to the 9/11 terrorists as “magnificent martyrs“, refused to condemn the 7/7 bombings and instead accused the Muslim Council of Britain (who condemned the attacks) of “selling their souls to the devil“. C’mon, in a debate he spoke against the motion “Islamist violence can never be justified”. It’s no coincidence that Adebolajo converted to islam under Choudary’s guidance and then decided to kill a british soldier.
voegelinian says
Actually, Clam Chowdery only has the effect you note among the still very small minority in the West who have gotten it about Islam. For most of the rest, he performs a function of the Bad Cop — whose principle role is to help maintain the facade of his distinction from the Good Cop.
I.e., every time Clam Chowdery opens his fat yap and utters Islamic extremism, the majority of Westerners say to themselves (if they are not anxiously telling the public) “Most Muslims are not like that — most Muslims are decent people!”
Muslims like Choudry actually perpetuate the false notion that he’s just an eccentric flake on the fringes. Whether Choudry knows this and is cleverly playing along or not, doesn’t seem to matter. The damage is done — thanks mostly to the clueless PC MCs who abound in our Western societies.
dumbledoresarmy says
Choudary has had the effect of bringing at least *one* Infidel to…Jihadwatch!
In the thread “Tarheel Jihad” from August 2009, a poster named “Reacher” (who has since moved on through, having acquired some knowledge) turned up, and I asked him how he had found “jihadwatch”.
Here is his answer:
“Hello DDA, you asked me on another thread how I found my way here.
“**Don’t laugh, but it was Anjem Choudary who pointed me here.
“**I googled him after a particularly vile rant and it led me to Dhimmi Watch- hence here. ** {my emphases – dda}
“I then went into Glasgow and bought myself a Koran to see [AND] read for myself,
“I must admit that I couldn’t make much sense of it ( at the time) and layed it down. I remember thinking to myself ” Did I buy the right thing? ” because what I had just finished reading was not a Holy Book but a gangsters murder manual.
“I was flabbergasted that every thing I had ever been taught since a child was a sin was condoned and applauded in this terrible book.
“I put it in the bin the next morning.
“An English lady who used to post here as Granny Weatherwax ( Esmeralda ) pointed me to New English Review and the rest is history.
” I have learned so much from the brilliant and erudite people here…
“My very best wishes to you and your family and God Bless Australia !
Your Brother in Arms,
Reacher.”
Just ask yourself: just how many *others* may have done as ‘reacher’ did…curiously googled anjem choudary’s name, and dropped in here?? They may be lurking or have been lurking, listening and learning, without ever taking a nom de plume and stepping out onto the comments floor.
It’s an ill wind, and all that…
Jay Boo says
Just who do they think they are?
They are acting like a bunch of mainstream Muslims who forgot their cloak of taqiyya.
How would British authorities react to an EDL van?
duh_swami says
God creates, he does not destroy.
Who then invented entropy?
Choudary should spend some time in the slammer as a reality check.
He will get to hang out with interesting and stimulating people. There’s nothing like prison to give you a different perspective on life.
tpellow says
Meanwhile, in Islamizing Britain –
from today’s Page One headline report in ‘Daily Mail’-
“Muslim school headmistress reveals she was driven out of job by fanatics who ‘saw her as the enemy, because she was too moderate'”
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2576961/Birmingham-school-dubbed-Trojan-Horse-Islamist-radicals-holds-assemblies-promoting-notorious-Al-Qaeda-recruitment-agent.html#ixzz2vZKowvlb
Jay Boo says
Muslim cleric
Two words that do not belong together
Islam has nothing to do with religion
Islam is an intolerant violent racist hate filled ideology
Ban Islam
Deport anyone who supports such evil filth as Islam
Jay Boo says
The Quran is fond of using lead-in window dressing like (The Compassionate and Merciful Allah) to camouflage its evil verses of violence toward non-Muslims but the world is beginning to wake up to the daily carnage perpetrated in the name of Islam. ‘Islam is peace’ politicians will be held accountable by the undeniable truth.
Islam is not fixable.
All mosques should be closed.
All imams should be arrested and incarcerated for spreading the HATE SPEECH of the Quran.
mortimer says
60% of the Koran is hate speech against disbelievers. Muslims are commissioned by Allah to be bounty hunters that bring back the kafirs dead or alive. The Koran is a chillingly amoral book advocating enslavement.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
Turnspeak is everywhere. The reason the word “peace” was omnipresent back in pre-Islamic Arabia was that there was so much violence. Calling out “peace!” meant it clear that you were not on the attack.
Same goes for compassionate and merciful Allah; he’s such a rotten bastard of a god that he needs all the cosmetics and makeup they can dollop on him.
Paleologos says
The best thing the British could do is equate islam to nazism on a regular, public education basis.
There are enough senior citizens and historians to “get it”.
http://www.terrorism-illuminati.com/muslim-brotherhood#.Ux3eC1rn9dg
Unfortunately, based on the way the Brits have been going about things, you are all aware of copious examples, they are probably doomed (see Mark Steyn’s brilliant “America Alone”), for having absorbed, willy nilly, far too many muslims.
Sad that a country that fought Hitler so bravely, has taken the vile, poisonous snake of islam to its breast.
… about as stupid as these rattlesnake worshipers …
http://abcnews.go.com/US/snake-handling-pentecostal-pastor-dies-snake-bite/story?id=22551754
R/
Paleologos
RG says
Hey ‘Dawg’ – So what made you decide to sell your soul to the devil? I know you’ve got lots of grandmas, cousins and pastors prayin’ for you to GET SAVED!
jewdog says
Choudary is right: the logo is generically Islamic, as is the ideology that motivates all jihadist groups. The authorities are fooling themselves if they think that they can isolate the problem to just a subset of organizations.
Joeb says
Why do so many of you expend so much energy engaging with muslim trolls? Just ignore them. Why are you bothering wasting your time? We know they’re wrong an we’re right – so there’s nothing to discuss.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
Islam is the cure for all problems? I did not know that. Then why so much trouble in Dar al-Islam all the time; why such explosiveness where Moslems swing into action in Dar al-Harb? Have these Moslems not yet been cured, or is that the way they’re supposed to be? So many questions. So much Islam. So many Moslems.
RG says
To ‘AlarmedPF’ – Please help! Seriously, I’m still a little ignorant of the muzzie lingo. Please translate the ‘Dar al-Islam’ and ‘Dar al-Harb’ stuff. Thanks!
dumbledoresarmy says
Islam divides the world into two parts. There is the Zone of Islam, the Dar al Islam (= territory or zone of Submission). And there is the Zone of War, the Dar al Harb. It is the territory, zone or region of “war”, because it is the part of the world where non-Muslims rule, the dominant religion is not Islam, and the law of the land is not the Sharia of Islam. (And by merely *being* non-Muslim, we non-Muslims are deemed to be a mortal insult and threat to the Ummah; it is *we* who are perceived as ‘making war’ upon them. I make war on Islam, I mortally threaten and insult and offend and oppress the Ummah or mohammedan Mob, every time my parish church rings its bell; every time I walk out of my house unislamically dressed and wearing a cross round my neck, and every time I pat my pet dog. or fry up some bacon. That’s all it takes. That’s *war*!!)
Dar al Islam is required to make war upon dar al harb until all of dar al harb is destroyed and absorbed into dar al Islam.
That concept, and that program of perpetual war of dar al Islam upon and against dar al Harb, is normative Islam.
Three useful articles:
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/the-lesson-of-algeria-islam-is-indivisible-1566770.html
CONOR CRUISE O’BRIEN
Friday 6 January 1995
The lesson of Algeria: Islam is indivisible
“…Islam is a universalist, triumphalist and political religion. It claims de jure dominion over all humanity; that is God’s will.
“The actual state of affairs, with unbelievers of various sorts dominating most of the world, is a suspension of God’s will and a scandal to the faithful.
“The world is divided between the House of Islam and the House of War, meaning the rest of us..”.
Jacques Ellul, foreword on Jihad, written for Bat Yeor’s “The Decline of Eastern Christianity Under Islam”:
http://www.dhimmi.org/Foreword.html
“…The world, as Bat Ye’or brilliantly shows, is divided into two regions: the dar al-Islam and the dar al-harb, in other words: the “domain of Islam” and “the domain of war”. The world is no longer divided into nations, peoples, tribes. Rather, they are all located en bloc in the world of war, where war is the only possible relationship with the outside world. The earth belongs to Allah and all its inhabitants must acknowledge this reality; to achieve this goal there is but one method: war…”.
And finally, a very astute American, writing at about the same time as Ellul and Conor Cruise O’Brien (early 1990s):
http://www.ewtn.com/library/ISSUES/GUERRA.HTM
FROM “COLD WAR” TO GUERRA FRIA?
Patrick L. Moore
“…Under the belief system of classical, orthodox Islam, a Muslim cannot be genuinely free or exercise “freedom of religion” unless he is in command of society.
“Therefore, the duty of the Muslim is to strive in all ways to expand Islam and to subjugate the non-Islamic world to Islamic power.
“Until that happens, the world is divided into two: the House of Islam (dar al-Islam), where Muslims rule and the law of Islam prevails; and the House of War (dar al-Harb), comprising the rest of the world. Between the two there is a morally necessary, legally and religiously obligatory state of war, until the final and inevitable triumph of Islam over unbelief.”
” Offensive (expansionary) military jihad is the constant duty of the community as a whole while strictly defensive jihad becomes a personal and particular obligation as well.
‘Even when it is defensive, however, it is not always so in the sense we have come to define that word.
‘Finally, jihad is and must be permanent. jihad is “a permanent obligation upon the entire Muslim community.”
RG says
To all – FYI, it might interest you to know that ‘Dawg’ is not very likely a muslim by birth. He’s a self-confessed son of the South–probably a disgruntled KKKer who still thinks the Confederate Army should have won the Civil War. He apparently hates all Jews (probably Blacks too) from some of the comments he has posted on other links of this website. Interestingly enough, he’s quite proficient with the English language–a rare quality, among both Middle Easterners and/ or southern redneck types. (No offense, southern rednecks–there’s a-plenty of northern-type idiots out there too, I might even be one of them, so don’t feel so all alone. But at least I know the difference between the truth and a Middle Eastern pack of lies!)
The unbelievable thing about it all is this, that as smart as he seems to be, in his usage of the English language, he’s apparently allowed himself to be suckered into believing the damnable LIE that is islam–UNLESS THIS IS ALL FOR SHOW!!! So ‘Dawg’, like I said, what made you decide to sell your soul to the devil? I know you gotta have tons of church folk prayin’ for you to GET SAVED!!!!! BTW, ‘Dawg’, would you kill all the Christians (children, mothers, aunts, uncles, pastors, grandmas, fathers and innocent little babies) that live all around you down there in the Bible Belt? So would you??? If not, then you’re a poor excuse for a “true” follower of DEMON MOHAMMED and his allah-god!!!!! I HOPE YOU WAKE UP BEFORE IT’S TOO LATE FOR YOU!!!!!
YEAH, I REALLY DO!!!!!
Angemon says
Am i the only one disturbed with dawggie’s castration fixation?
Champ says
“Islam is the Cure”
What a bald-faced lie!
islam is wholly evil, and nothing *good* ever came from evil.
Tradewinds says
Champ – check out the liar Villain. I think it’s Muslim “Dawg” with a different nic as I most certainly have not “replied to the Muslim on every single page!” What a LIE. Meanwhile, I looked for you on a few articles Villain and you’re NOWHERE. Hi Muslim Dawg -still posting your vicious lies on JW? Of course you are. Moron.
PJG says
The tone of JW comments has descended dramatically since the arrival of Watchdawg. But I’m not just blaming him. Please, posters, lift your game. Don’t reply to WD, but if you must, remember that a) you will not change him and b)the rest of us are having to wade through garbage to read a few good comments, so please desist from abuse.
marclouis says
I think you’ll find, WatchDawg has multiple accounts and makes those threats against himself, i’m just in the process of deleting all his drivel.
gravenimage says
Meanwhile, Choudary was quoted by The Times as saying the usage of the logo is something “very common” to Muslims.
“It’s not something that belongs to ISIS or any organization like al-Qaeda,” he said. “It’s something that belongs to [all] Muslims.”
…………………………
Well, that’s the problem, isn’t it? There is no clear distinction between Jihadists and “all Muslims”.
Lisa says
They really are clueless, impotent and uneducated, our police and government.
As Robert always says: it literally, literally is the case here that all a Muslim has to do is SAY (not mean, but say) that he believes murdering people for Islam is a bit unacceptable, and they’re seen as ‘moderates’ by our dangerously deranged, clueless, brainless police and government.
Geordie says
Action against Choudary is the subject of many letters and questions to members of parliament. They are inundated with complaints that he is still permitted to walk our streets and rabble rouse. He is by his own admission, directly responsible for radicalising the murderers of Fusilier drummer L/Cpl Lee Rigby.
There was a time when keeping him in-play was a wise move by the security services, simply to map his network of international contacts. However, he is no longer of any use and should now be held accountable for his many crimes.
The man is psychotic and should be incarcerated in a hospital for the criminally insane. Broadmoor would be a great place for him to spend the rest of his natural life. Being frequently abused and without hope of ever being released.
Red Coat says
It’s nothing to do with his peaodophile fake muhhamad or fak god. He does it for the notoriety and money, that way he doesn’t have to work and no one in power has the balls to challenge him . END