This New York Times story contains the revelation that the head of Pakistan’s spy service knew where Osama bin Laden was hiding, posted here yesterday. It is also important, however, to note that reporter Carlotta Gall also recounts her visit to one of the madrasa that the Taliban run. The deputy head of the madrasa tells her: “We are educating the students in the Quran, and in the Quran it is written that it is every Muslim’s obligation to wage jihad. All we are telling them is what is in the Quran. Then it is up to them to go to jihad.”
We are constantly told that the vast majority of Muslims rejects this understanding of the Qur’an and jihad. It would be refreshing if one of them would be so kind as to explain exactly how the deputy head of the madrasa is misunderstanding the Qur’an and jihad, and teaching his students to do so. But even in the absence of that, it is noteworthy that these Misunderstanders of Islam, airily dismissed as not even being Muslim at all by many Muslims in the West (I recently ran into a prominent U.S. Muslim outside Penn Station in New York; he insisted to me repeatedly in the course of our conversation that the 9/11 hijackers were “not Muslims”), ground their jihad activities squarely in the Qur’an. The Western foreign policy establishment, to say nothing of the mainstream media, steadfastly refuses to take notice of that or face its implications.
“What Pakistan Knew About Bin Laden,” by Carlotta Gall for the New York Times, March 19 (thanks to Twostellas):
…After our first day of reporting in Quetta, we noticed that an intelligence agent on a motorbike was following us, and everyone we interviewed was visited afterward by ISI agents. We visited a neighborhood called Pashtunabad, “town of the Pashtuns,” a close-knit community of narrow alleys inhabited largely by Afghan refugees who over the years spread up the hillside, building one-story houses from mud and straw. The people are working class: laborers, bus drivers and shopkeepers. The neighborhood is also home to several members of the Taliban, who live in larger houses behind high walls, often next to the mosques and madrasas they run.
The small, untidy entrance on the street to one of those madrasas, the Jamiya Islamiya, conceals the size of the establishment. Inside, a brick-and-concrete building three stories high surrounds a courtyard, and classrooms can accommodate 280 students. At least three of the suicide bombers we were tracing had been students here, and there were reports of more. Senior figures from Pakistani religious parties and provincial-government officials were frequent visitors, and Taliban members would often visit under the cover of darkness in fleets of S.U.V.s.
We requested an interview and were told that a female journalist would not be permitted inside, so I passed some questions to the Pakistani reporter with me, and he and the photographer went in. The deputy head of the madrasa denied that there was any militant training there or any forced recruitment for jihad. “We are educating the students in the Quran, and in the Quran it is written that it is every Muslim’s obligation to wage jihad,” he said. “All we are telling them is what is in the Quran. Then it is up to them to go to jihad.” He ended the conversation. Classes were breaking up, and I could hear a clamor rising as students burst out of their classrooms. Boys poured out of the gates onto the street. They looked spindly, in flapping clothes and prayer caps, as they darted off on their bikes and on foot, chasing one another down the street.
mortimer says
America is not getting her money’s worth from the Pakistanis in terms of cooperation.
From the Pakistani perspective, American aid is jizzya they are entitled to. So they use it in the traditional manner…to betray!
Jay Boo says
mortimer
It is good to see that you got in your comment before Ismail Mohamed had a chance to attempt to bog down the thread with his long deliberate copy and paste incoherent rambling.
Jay Boo says
Without jihad and an enemy to hate —
Muslims would be forced to look at the sociopathic meaninglessness within the vast emptiness of Islamic satanic verses.
Klaus Krauthammer says
BO was attended a muslim school. We can even fathom how stupid our pathetic products of public education and university grads actually are. Something huge is coming to amerikah very soon I think.
raylanfear says
You are correct. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFO1AtjoUoo
Jay Boo says
Pakistanis leaders are Muslim
Anyone who follows the teaching of their vile Quran is deceitful.
The follow in the blood tainted footsteps of Serpent of Satan Muhammad.
raylanfear says
Islam, Mosques and Sharia law belong in Saudi Arabia, not America.
http://wp.me/p2GpDB-cF
enwhitenment says
Ismail mohamed Why do i get the feeling that you have one hand on your penis & the other hand is holding a picture of Hillary Clinton ?
Your just never going to get a white women so get over it, move on.
Plenty of mutilated widows out there for you.
On the real subject “YES” a madrasa is a terrorist training camp part ” A”
Oh and Ismail freedom has no colour of skin attached & any sane person can see a Cult is a Cult no matter how many bed sheets they wear.
Ismail Mohamed says
If you do plan on visiting Egypt one day, do email me on this email: Ex-Muslimsecularfreeman@hotmail.com on your arrival, and you will see for yourself how many white women I charm into allowing me to get in their pants whenever O go to Sharm El-Sheikh and Hurgada for vacation.
Jay Boo says
Passive Aggressive Scheming Sycophant Troll
The topic is sneaky Pakistani jihad headed (typical Muslims)
Jay Boo says
reference to Ismail Mohamed
vickie says
Ismail Mohamed – Your stint in Islam has damaged you thought processes. Repeat after me – Mohammad was a sexual pervert and I must not follow his example. I must ignore the teachings of the Quran written by the sexual pervert and control my sick Islamic driven urges to conquer women sexually.
gravenimage says
“Ismail Mohamed” and “enwhitenment” are both ranting about ‘getting white women’.
What a dispiriting spectacle…
Gary Katz says
Ismail, where do you do that, Tahrir Square?
Jay Boo says
Ismail is only trying to divert the topic.
Don’t feed the troll with his own off topic garbage
enwhitenment says
Ismail you were probably schooled in a madrasa & therefore received no education on male-female relationships so i will help you.
The female will naturally seek out the best mate (just as in nature) with the best qualities to breed the best offspring ?
Do you understand ?
An arranged marriage as a child deny’s the female the right to choose the best mate.
There are probably more people of mixed race than there is of what may be called “pure race”
It is evolution trying to improve & better itself as it has always done.
With the quran in one hand & porn on your screen you are probably just going to have to turn to a brother to find your satisfaction again.
Plenty of “easy big dildo loving “white” men for you in Eygpt .
That is what they play with under their dresses whenever a women walks by is it not ? or are they just practising what they were taught is the madrasa ?
Jay Boo says
enwhitenment
the topic is not sex
the topic is not race
Jay Boo says
enwhitenment
Are you deliberately aiding the troll Ismail?
enwhitenment says
Jay boo my apologies
The subject is that education is eroded when constrained by religion.
The youth are blinded when fed misinformation
A madrasa will force a one sided view upon it’s students
And thanks to one shit bandit we now have a billion copy cats.
I must have just got sidetracked by Isfails deep hairy voice.
Won’t happen again
Ismail Mohamed says
Oh for fuck’s fucking sake, again with the rants that I am a Muslim troll.
I don’t think actually that a muzzie to go that far and call Mohamed ”a fucking sadistic bastard” and deny belief all the so-called miracles common in all 3 Abrahamic superstitions, referring to them as hallucinations dreamt up by cavemen, in his taqiya-filled comments, as you would believe, don’t ya think?
No, I was actually educated in a very costly private secular school where they teach decent English curricula; that’s why I am well-versed in it.
Unlike you, I have always been straight.
Yes, I do a have a copy of the Qu’ran on my computer but it’s only for the use as jerk-off paper after watching porn.
Yes, I am aware that most people are mixed-race and most whites have non-white blood in them, even if as little as a trace from race-mixing at some point several generation ago and that does not make them white in my eyes; the one-drop rule. Hence, I am advocating the use of IVF with gene selection for Nordic features as the sole method of fertilization by white women.
Angemon says
“deny belief all the so-called miracles common in all 3 Abrahamic superstitions, referring to them as hallucinations dreamt up by cavemen”
Mr. Dude, is that you?
Buraq says
@ Ismail
Say what you have to say concisely. Don’t write screeds. Understand?
The best English is made from short sentences with only one verb and one object.
Stop being a clown!
gravenimage says
The increasingly ludicrous “Ismail Mohamed wrote:
No, I was actually educated in a very costly private secular school where they teach decent English curricula; that’s why I am well-versed in it.
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Good thing that school in Egypt taught such American slang as “for f*ck’s sake”, “jerk off”, and “don’t ya think”. sarc/off
More:
Oh for fuck’s fucking sake, again with the rants that I am a Muslim troll.
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“Ismail Mohamed” need not be a Muslim troll per se to be a Muslim apologist.
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I don’t think actually that a muzzie to go that far and call Mohamed ”a fucking sadistic bastard” and deny belief all the so-called miracles common in all 3 Abrahamic superstitions
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More stupid moral equivalence…
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Yes, I do a have a copy of the Qu’ran on my computer but it’s only for the use as jerk-off paper after watching porn.
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What an idiotic way to try to prove his bona fides…
More:
Yes, I am aware that most people are mixed-race and most whites have non-white blood in them, even if as little as a trace from race-mixing at some point several generation ago and that does not make them white in my eyes; the one-drop rule. Hence, I am advocating the use of IVF with gene selection for Nordic features as the sole method of fertilization by white women.
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Why would a Saudi living in Egypt be ranting about “the one drop rule”?
“Ismail Mohamed” is either a Western white supremacist or—*much* more likely—someone from LoonWatch or somewhere similar *pretending* to be a Western white supremacist.
The whole thing is just terribly tedious…
Jay Boo says
Pakistani Muslims realize that Muhammad was a lying satanic worshiping demon whose disgusting Quran is the worst piece of perverted filth ever written and Muhammad was such a low life that he was not fit to crawl under pig manure.
Yet they plead willful ignorance
Champ ✿ says
True, Jay Boo …moohamhead was the *vilest* of criminals; and he sure ain’t my prophet!
Champ ✿ says
“This New York Times story contains the revelation that the head of Pakistan’s spy service knew where Osama bin Laden was hiding”
Indeed …
Never Trust A muslim.
Angemon says
“. “We are educating the students in the Quran, and in the Quran it is written that it is every Muslim’s obligation to wage jihad,” he said. “All we are telling them is what is in the Quran. Then it is up to them to go to jihad.””
Too bad they’re not westernized muslims. If they were, they could perform their jihad by going to the gym, or making friends, or whatever they’re pretending jihad is over here.
voegelinian says
The Western Muslims who pretend and insist that jihad is innocuously non-violent are also waging jihad — a crucial form of jihad precisely enabling the ability of Muslims to wage violent jihad against the West more effectively in the future.
1) “We are educating the students in the Quran, and in the Quran it is written that it is every Muslim’s obligation to wage jihad,” he said. “All we are telling them is what is in the Quran. Then it is up to them to go to jihad.”
2) …I recently ran into a prominent U.S. Muslim outside Penn Station in New York; he insisted to me repeatedly in the course of our conversation that the 9/11 hijackers were “not Muslims”…
1) Frank Violent Jihad
2) Stealth Jihad, using taqiyya
1) Bad Cop
2) Good Cop.
The Good Cop/Bad Cop strategy only works when the audience is composed of dupes — as it is prevalently still throughout the West.
duh_swami says
All Mahoundians are obligated to jihad as a duty to Allah. It is not an elective. Jihad is mandatory under three conditions…The one always in effect as called for in Quran, 2:191-3 and 8:39, when Mahoundian lands are invaded or threatened, or when a Caliph orders it. Two of the three are activated. According to the literature, those who refuse or neglect this duty will die a hypocrite…There are no hypocrites in Allah’s paradise.
mortimer says
JIHAD. The prime directive of Islam. Muslims are ALL commissioned by Allah as BOUNTY HUNTERS or they must finance the bounty hunt. Only two options.
mortimer says
WHAT? The Koran teaches actual WARFARE AGAINST THE DISBELIEVERS?
Oh, THOSE 164 verses that command jihad! Oh, I must have forgotten those 164 verses!
Abrogation? Yes, the jihad verses DO actually ABROGATE and supersede the so-called tolerant verses…but…ah…hmm
Joab says
Atheist should wake up or be brave to be honest to themselves. Atheist attack Christians because of its belief. They attack Christianity by putting Christians on the same level of the jihadist. It is as if all Islam actions are being put to blame on all religion where in fact it is only Islam has the motives to do this heinous acts. You dont hear Christians, Buddhists, Judaism and other Religion cutting off people’s head and claim it that it is God’s will. No religion is perfectly followed by its followers. But in Islam they are literally commanded to wage wars on unbelievers. But what is so confusing here is that Atheist cowardly put the blame on all religion all the wicked acts by Islam. Atheist that are so vocal about their disbelief in a god are nothing but a group of men fearful of Islam. They hit on christians because they knew that Christians will most likely will not resort to violence in comparison to Islam. I havent seen and heard a brave Atheist single out Islam in its acts of violence because of fear of reprisal. Atheist blame 911 on religion where in fact it is an Islamic acts that brought the towers down. They lack common sense when it comes to Islam.
enwhitenment says
Joab , Atheists base their fears on “fact” not “fiction”
And will place the blame on whoever is guilty of the crime.
The atheists fear corruption of the mind of otherwise normal people
To suggest that God will protect them is of little comfort to the beheaded or raped
Look around we live on an amazing planet in a universe of over a trillion stars
Yet thanks to the differing opinions of the various cults (who all have untold wealth & power) we still have the majority of people going hungry.
Atheists have no fear of “hell” what they hate is watching this little piece of “heaven” getting turned into “hell”.
And why should an atheist show his face in an argument full of fictional characters.
citycat says
Atheists have woken up, in England, that’s why they are atheist and no longer Christians, but most bear a sort of loyalty with their fellows who are still Christians.
Your lies don’t wash.
One is born atheist, innocent and without sin.
I take it you’re a Christian or else a Muslim who hate atheists more than they hate all the other religions.
Atheists get automatic death with no chance to be converted from Islam.
In England, there are i think 25% of the people Atheists according to the population census thing.
I should think it’s growing.
The number of Atheists that is.
People are waking up.
JIMJFOX says
Another Religiot blaming atheists for his addled brain.
Learn to think rationally, fool.
Defcon 4 says
Bangladeshi atheists have criticised islam without resorting to the all religions are the same argument that the apathetic cowards in Western democracies resort to. Bangladeshi atheists are also being murdered and imprisoned for doing so.
gravenimage says
Joab, not every Atheist is hostile to religion.
And there are certainly some of them—including several who regularly post here—who are well aware of the violent threat that Islam poses.
JIMJFOX says
Europe bans “Mein Kampf”
Not really- in Germany and Russia? But copyright [in Bavaria] expires in 2015 and it’s not practical to ban any book in this age of digital publishing.
I wish the Calcutta Petition proscribing the Koran could be revived.
1.4 billion nutcase Muslims believing it’s insanity can’t all be wrong- just like 100 trillion flies who are quite sure that shit is delicious!
gravenimage says
“We are educating the students in the Quran, and in the Quran it is written that it is every Muslim’s obligation to wage jihad”
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Normative Islam…