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Western media condemns “terrorist attacks that happen at their door, but show sympathy to terrorists killing people in China”

Mar 3, 2014 8:15 am By Robert Spencer

KunmingjihadThe Western media is indeed contemptuous of the idea that China faces a jihad threat. It always puts the word “terrorists” in sneer quotes, and presents the idea that violent jihadists are carrying out attacks in China as merely a claim of China’s repressive government. Wang Xiaonan may not be aware, however, that the Western mainstream media is just as dismissive of the idea that the West faces a jihad threat, and “journalists” such as Christiane Amanpour, Bob Smietana, Niraj Warikoo, Lisa Wangsness and many, many others show active and open sympathy and support for jihadists and Islamic supremacists, while heaping derision, scorn, and defamation upon those who dare to oppose jihad terror.

“Kunming attack shows terrorists now hitting softer targets,” by Wang Xiaonan for Global Times, March 3:

An appalling slaughter struck Kunming, the capital of Southwest China’s Yunnan Province, on Saturday, turning it overnight from a tranquil spring city to a site of horror gripping the world’s attention.

This inhumane attack has been identified to be orchestrated by separatist forces from Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region. The terrorists of the East Turkestan Islamic Movement previously carried out violent attacks in Xinjiang and then Beijing. It was actually unanticipated that terror would strike serene Kunming.

The terrorists targeted this peaceful city mainly because Urumqi and Beijing have made full preparation for terrorist attacks, particularly before the “two sessions” this year. It is difficult for terrorist groups to launch attacks in areas with stern security measures.

Kunming has certain advantages to terrorists. Located close to Southeast Asia and boasting dozens of ethnic groups and a diversified cultural background, Kunming offers mobility throughout the vast and complex cross-border terrain, making it convenient for terrorists to hide and flee.

Armed gangs from Xinjiang have been trafficking drugs in the cross-border region for many years, and they probably collude with and offer assistance to separatist forces.

Western media downplayed the deadly attack while hyping ethnic hatred in China.

The New York Times stated in an article: “Many Uyghurs resent the government’s controls on their religious life and say the growing presence of Han people in Xinjiang has deprived them of jobs, land and opportunities…The Chinese government’s own repressive policies have seeded the violence.” Other major outlets including Forbes and CNN published similar comments.

Such an attitude demonstrates that the West still applies a double standard to combating the simmering challenge of terrorism. They strongly condemn terrorist attacks that happen at their door, but show sympathy to terrorists killing people brutally in China.

Attempting to contain a rising China that they deem is gradually threatening their international status, the West continues providing financing to separatists.

China is confronted with a daunting challenge in eliminating terrorism and guaranteeing public security. The Kunming attack serves as a sober reminder that anti-terror efforts should be exerted across the whole country by increasing public awareness and education, exploring and sharing terror-related intelligence, and promoting collaboration with the international community.

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  1. revg says

    Mar 3, 2014 at 8:59 am

    Sadly, such “religious” violence is likely to be quelled by a blanket condemnation on religion in China, just when people were starting to enjoy some freedom of worship. It is usually easier to issue such blanket decisions than it is to eliminate only the source of the problems.

  2. Steffen Larsen says

    Mar 3, 2014 at 9:29 am

    “based on an interview with Fan Shouzheng, associate professor of the People’s Public Security University of China. ”

    lol.

  3. Mazo says

    Mar 3, 2014 at 9:42 am

    JWatchers, I assure you that the Chinese govenment and media do not want YOUR sympathy. The article mentions “separatists”, not “jihadists”.

    China is expanding ties with Saudi Arabia and other Gulf Arab states, especially in the Ningxia Hui autonomous region.

    China first sold DF-3 missles to the Saudis in the 1980s, and recently upgraded the Saudi missle force in 2007, selling the Saudis DF-21 missles. (America forced China and Saudi to make sure that the missle were not nuclear capable, but China and Saudia Arabia have the capability to upgrade the missles anyway to carry a nuclear warhead)

    http://daily.bhaskar.com/article/WOR-world-news-revealed-china-secretly-sells-df-21-missiles-to-saudi-arabia-with-cia-4510261-NOR.html

    Saudi Arabia has considered buying nuclear weapons from either Pakistan or China, and expanded civilian nuclear cooperation with China, and cooperation over petroleum.

    http://english.alarabiya.net/en/views/news/world/2013/10/02/Will-Beijing-help-Riyadh-go-nuclear-.html

    http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/middle-east/2013/05/21/Will-Riyadh-get-the-bomb-.html

    http://english.alarabiya.net/en/views/news/middle-east/2013/11/16/Saudi-Arabia-s-nuclear-bomb.html

    http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/10/the-real-reason-for-saudi-shift-away-from-u-s.html

    China looks foward to increased ties with the Saudis, don’t get your false hopes up.

    • awake says

      Mar 3, 2014 at 10:15 am

      Mazo, they were/are Muslims. Deal with it.

    • umbra says

      Mar 3, 2014 at 11:33 am

      China wants oil and resources and really could not care less for anything else beyond her borders (including disputed maritime borders), apart from except access to export markets, resources and industrial espionage. What China detest most is interference of her internal affairs by any external entities (either sovereign nations or organizations). So, having an uyghur led terrorist attacks being perpetrated against Chinese civilians, the Chinese authority sees this as an opportunity to turn routine external criticism of its crack down against uyghur terrorists into international support.

      China publicly see the uyghur violence as separatist issue, not a Islamic-separatist problem. This misconception on the part of the Chinese authority is as flawed as western governments’ perception of islam. The only difference is China happens to be suppressing islamic supremacism quite accidentally (as it would appear) by crushing or attempting to crush an Islamic-separatist effort in xinjiang.

    • voegelinian says

      Mar 3, 2014 at 6:34 pm

      Mazo is unable to pat his head and rub his stomach at the same time. The rest of us don’t have that problem. We can condemn, and be wary of, the Muslims fomenting jihad in China, and at the same time condemn and be wary of China forging ties with Saudi Arabia.

    • China says

      Mar 4, 2014 at 4:24 pm

      I promise you they’re not going to get nuclear weapons from China. But they will have it anyway after they take over France.

      • Mazo says

        Mar 4, 2014 at 8:15 pm

        What makes you think Muslims in France (including millions of non-Arab Berbers) take orders from Saudi Arabia?

  4. jeffpresidentlo says

    Mar 3, 2014 at 9:52 am

    Update to the attack:

    Public Security ministry concludes investigation to the case.
    Perpetrators were a gang of 8 including 2 women. 4 were shot dead at the scene and 1 sustained injuries and subsequently captured.
    3 more men arrested when police forces conducted searches nearby.
    Gang was led by a Uyghur named Abdurehim Kurban.
    Some reports said a 15 year old girl was involved in the plot.
    East turkestan jihad flags retrieved from the scene and appartments of terrorists.

    Hope the update is of use to readers here at JW

    • Leonidas says

      Mar 4, 2014 at 8:39 pm

      Thank you for the update!

      Islam commands suppression of women, wife beating,the killing of Apostates and critics of Muhammad and to revere the criminal, child molester, rapist,murderer,torturer, bandit,slave trader Muhammad as described by witnesses in Sira and Hadith.
      When these facts become widely known ,millions of Muslims , especially women will abandon Islam
      αnd it will collapse the way the USSR did in 1989!

      • Defcon 4 says

        Mar 5, 2014 at 11:05 am

        @Leonidas

        “When these facts become widely known ,millions of Muslims , especially women will abandon Islam αnd it will collapse the way the USSR did in 1989!”

        Have you not noticed that such facts are being increasingly censored both formally and informally throughout the entire world? Do you think it’s by accident?

  5. mortimer says

    Mar 3, 2014 at 10:43 am

    It’s amusing to see our Leftist journalists confused about which side to support. Do they support the ‘communists’ of Beijing or do they support the Islamic Sharia supremacists?

    It seems imponderable. They avoid calling them ‘Islamic terrorists’ even though that is what they are. No doubt, the Beijing-controlled police are not handling this with complete respect for human rights.

    Since the time of Genghis Khan, China has had one of way of dealing with Islam: brutality. Hey, it’s very immoral, but it works!

    • Defcon 4 says

      Mar 3, 2014 at 10:51 am

      It’s the only solution possible. Islam0nazis don’t fight for freedom or liberty, they fight to take away the freedoms and liberties of others (especially the untermenschen of islamic theology: the najjis kaffir).

    • Mazo says

      Mar 3, 2014 at 11:15 am

      First of all, Genghis Khan was not from China, was not Chinese, and in fact never even ruled the entire China, southern China was under the control of the Song dynasty.

      Secondly, many loyalist Muslims served in Chinese armies and as top army officers, fighting against other rebel Muslims and non-Muslim foreign enemies like Japan. In fact, the most brutal and cruelest fighters to rebel Muslims in China were loyalist Muslims, not non-Muslims.

      There goes your complete nonsense theory.

      • voegelinian says

        Mar 3, 2014 at 6:36 pm

        Muslims have been fighting against and killing other Muslims since the very beginning, back to the 7th century. That does not automatically confer upon one side of the internecine Muslims the magical privilege of being our friends.

  6. Kepha says

    Mar 3, 2014 at 11:22 am

    Unfortunately, Defcon, the Chinese Communist regime deals with ANY problem brutally. What do you expect from a regime which, back in the 1950’s, taught it’s children to say, “I don’t love Mommy, I’don’t love Daddy, I love Elder Uncle Stalin”?

    Brutality is how they deal with labor that wants to organize outside the aegis of the state (which deals with the Overseas Chinese financiers and industrialists by means of the back door, relationships, and the like). It’s how they deal with when more eighteen-year-olds apply for Christian baptism (infant baptism would be “forcing” someone to believe in a religion) than for Communist Party membership.

    Hey, I’m close to people who’d love to see China’s borders stretching from the Golden Triangle to the Wulianghai and the marches of Saka and from the Ryukyus to the Aral, but they’re also hard put to figure out where their sympathies are on this one.

    Also, speaking as someone who has had kindly dealings with Muslims of a variety of ethnicities, I’m not so sure I like the Chingiz Khan solution (and several of his great-grandkids became Muslims anyway). What with Evangelical churches sprouting here and there in places like Kabylia, SE Turkey, Iran, and even the Tarim Basin (not treated any better than the Nagshbandi tekkes, BTW), I think there’s a better way to win this. Even if it’s long-term, it’s God’s work, and who knows if at some point that the things we think are small cracks might not bring down the whole edifice of Islam?

    • Mazo says

      Mar 3, 2014 at 11:52 am

      In fact, the Kumul Khans of Hami, who were descendants of Genghis Khan and Muslims, were fierce loyalists to first the Qing and then the Republic of China.

      http://baike.baidu.com/view/9619322.htm

      And I really do not like proselytyzing, it causes alot of tension, do you not realize that both the Tibetan and Uyghur rebellions in 1905 and 1933 were set off by proselytization.

      The Tibetan Buddhist Lamas who revolted in Yunnan and Sichuan in 1905, were angry over the British invasion of Tibet, and French Catholic missionaries converting Tibetans, so they attacked and killed the missionaries and Tibetan converts.

      In the 1933 rebellion in Kashgar, Uyghur Emir Abdullah Bughra was angered by Swedish protestant missionaries converting Uyghurs, so he killed alot of the Uyghur converts, and beat the Swedish missionaries and would have killed them, had not the British consulate been present in Kashgar. That is what happened to the first Uyghur Christian community.

      The lesson is, proselytization causes anger among the natives no matter if they are Buddhist or Muslim, and no matter if the missionaries are Catholic or Protestant.

      The only minority places were Christian missionaries used to had free reign to proselytize, was in Hui contolled areas, and that was where they ironically have the least success, because Hui are extremely devout practicing Muslims unlike alot of Uyghurs. Did you know the success rate for missionaries in northwest China among Hui was near zero even though Hui warlords allowed Christian missionaries all over their territory?

      I believe that whatever conerts you may have among Uyghurs, will not succeed in the Hui community.

      • Mazo says

        Mar 3, 2014 at 12:08 pm

        Both the Tibetan Buddhist Lamas and Communists attacked Catholic missionary activity in Tibet itself in addition to Yunnan.

        http://www.maristmessenger.co.nz/2013/05/01/missionary-audacity-the-mission-to-tibet/

        Although the Swedes may not have been part of an imperialist invasion, the reason there were many French Catholic missionaries in Inner Mongolia, Yunnan, and Tibet, was because France forced gunboat diplomacy on China and used the missionaries as part of its imperialist activities, targeting Tibetans and Mongols for conversion and trying to expand spheres of influence.

        Tibetan Buddhists didn’t, and don’t have problems with the local Tibetan Muslims because they don’t proselytize their religion, unlike the missionaries. Both Tibetan Buddhists and Tibetan Muslims have issues with Hui Muslims from Qinghai migrating into Tibet (same reason they have problem with Han) and engaging in predatory commercial activities, not because of proselytyzation.

        • voegelinian says

          Mar 3, 2014 at 6:39 pm

          Just because some Buddhists are stupid dhimmis who enable their Muslim masters (e.g., the Dalai Lama who defended Muslims and Islam, even though Muslims ethnically cleansed Buddhists for centuries in India and central Asia), that is irrelevant to the dangers of Islam.

      • revg says

        Mar 3, 2014 at 8:12 pm

        Muslims hate proselytizing, to the extent that they do not even allow open display of religious symbols for other religions. Of course, muslim proselytization is much simpler. Convert, submit, or die. With islam, whether or not they will proselytize others is not an “if”, but a “when”.

      • Kepha says

        Mar 7, 2014 at 7:58 pm

        Sure, proselytization causes tensions. But I also bless God Almighty for those who proselytized me and a lot of people I’m close to.

        Jesus Christ commanded that we make disciples of all nations. Since Christians had to wait until 150 A.D. to have a ruler join their community (Agbar of Edessa), the God-given way to carry out Christ’s command is the preaching of the Gospel. We were also warned that the world will hate us for it.

        Yes, you are right that in some places Muslim governors protected Christian missions, including the Ma clique generals in Gansu and Qinghai. Of course the Ma family were a Hui, who were long accustomed to the religious pluralism of China.

  7. Michael Copeland says

    Mar 3, 2014 at 11:39 am

    The BBC report is a set piece. It mentions only “knives”, not pangas or swords. The perpetrators are “separatists … separatists from Xinjiang”. The article refrains from mentioning “muslim” until well down in the text, and then is careful to minimise the impact, downplay its relevance, and doubt the support for violence. “Some of Xinjiang’s minority Uighur Muslims want autonomy …. Only a small number appear to support the use of violence.”
    Thus is the news trimmed, dressed, and “presented”.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-26404566

  8. jeffpresidentlo says

    Mar 3, 2014 at 12:11 pm

    While I have much reservations for the gov’s policies in Xinjiang(and against) Uyghurs, the grievances and injustice experienced by local inhabitants could never justify the crimes and terrorists acts committed against civilians in Kunming and previous attacks.

    It’s true that many Muslims enlisted in the army to fight invaders and Uyghur uprisings. Some Muslims even became members of the top echelon in the nationalist army. It’s sad to say, in hindsight that Uyghurs and Muslims were constantly present in the events circa WWII.

    But at those times they are fighting for a nationalist cause, fighting against elements they deemed as foreign usurpers, eg. Communists and Soviets.

    It’s always dangerous when you link Islam the religion placed at a ethnosociological platform and nationalist struggle. While it’s true that in Xinjiang, Uyghurs’ rights are sometimes secluded from themselves, a lot of attackers see themselves part of a nobler
    struggle for their religion and the oppression as a plot against Islam. Heavy-handed tactics employed by the regime are used in pretty much all social conflicts, not just directed against Uyghurs.
    So far we dont know whether these gang of assailants are from the ETIM, nevertheless the aforementioned terrorist group would issue communiques confirming their responsibilities and chanting threats. These statements would somehow clear the midst.

    Anyway, it’s good to know that the Chinese public are unified against terrorism and violence while preserving a tradition of respect for Uyghurs and their religion. Somewhat a consolation maybe.

    • voegelinian says

      Mar 4, 2014 at 12:57 pm

      “Anyway, it’s good to know that the Chinese public are unified against terrorism and violence while preserving a tradition of respect for Uyghurs and their religion.”

      What about Uyghurs and their religion deserves so much respect you deem it “good” to respect them?

      • jeffpresidentlo says

        Mar 4, 2014 at 6:09 pm

        AFAIK, the Chinese lack an idea of Jihad and often they interpret things as holy war which is somehow untrue. The events in Xinjiang aren’t as straightforward as some might think. Maybe this “respect” I am talking about is a way to pacify the Uyghur population and preserve harmony. You might think the Chinese are ignorant about the issue of Jihad but nationalism and brotherhood are the two prevailing themes in China right now.

        • Mazo says

          Mar 4, 2014 at 8:11 pm

          @jeffpresidentlo

          Do you not realize what these people are up to.

          They want China to go rambo on Muslims and to fight their war for them, and for China to cut off its relations from the Muslim world.

          They (posters like dumbledoresarmy, vogon) suddenly think they know everything about Muslims in China, and for no reason at all, they think China should start attacking Hui and other Muslim minorities which have nothing to do with these Uyghur separatists, and will only inflame more tensions.

          Voldemort’s army already showed her agenda, she thinks it would be amusing if Hui people get targeted since the Uyghurs committed this attack.

          Can any of those (Insert adjective of your choice here) even give a damn explanation on why THEY think China should start beating up on people totally uninvolved in the terrorist attacks?

          Why should I trust an Australian or Canadian over people my family have live peacefully and known personally.

          They are living in lalaland if they think China is going to cut relations with Muslim countries. It is not, China will expand business, trade, and ties with Saudi Arabia and other nations.

  9. jeffpresidentlo says

    Mar 3, 2014 at 12:16 pm

    Correction: they “were” fighting

  10. dumbledoresarmy says

    Mar 4, 2014 at 10:46 pm

    ‘Mazo’, above, zealous Defender of Islam that he is (and propounding the frankly unbelievable thesis that Muslims in China, or wherever, are somehow magically different from Muslims everywhere else on earth, despite their reading exactly the same Quran, Sira and Hadith and revering exactly the same murderous, lying warlord, and despite numbers of them going on Hajj to rub shoulders with representatives of all the other Muslims on earth including the most purely jihad-minded) seems to think that we are not allowed to have an opinion on Islam unless and until we can read all the original texts in the original language, know in minute detail the entire history (for the past 1400 years, or whatever) of every country that has ever been infiltrated by Muslims (and if it is from Islamocritical sources, I’ll bet he wouldn’t accept the validity of those sources), speak all the languages spoken by Muslims, and have lived and worked for extended periods in every Muslim-dominated land or locality.

    In other words: he’s demanding the impossible.

    Newsflash: it was *not* necessary to have read Mein Kampf in the original German, nor to know *German*, nor to have ever visited Germany in person, nor to know German history in detail from the Roman period on up, in order to – correctly – recognise that Hitler was an evil person and that Nazism was an evil ideology and that the Third Reich should be fought against and defeated.

    It was not necessary to know Japanese, nor even know very much about their history, to be able to – correctly – recognise that the Japanese fascist imperialist regime under Emperor Hirohito required to be resisted, fought against, and soundly defeated.

    It was not necessary to know Russian, nor even to have read Das Kapital and the Communist Manifesto and the writings of Lenin and be able to understand all Stalin’s speeches in the original Russian, to know – correctly – that communism was a crock, that the USSR was evil, and that the machinations of the comintern should be resisted.

    It is not necessary to know Korean history and language nor know all the ins and outs of “juche” in the writings of the godfather Kim Il Sung , in order to recognise – correctly – that the regime in North Korea is EVIL and should not be conciliated or dealt with by any decent and sane society.

    And all it takes is a single reading of a good basic translation of the Quran – with one’s BS detectors , commonsense and moral sense switched *ON* – and the exercise of one’s commonsense and powers of basic observation of the neverending torrent of jihad news, to recognise – correctly – that the ideology of Islam, and therefore the Mohammedan Mob that puts that ideology into practice all over the world, is Evil and Dangerous and requires to be resisted with might and main.

    All one needs to do is read Quran 9.29, together with the equally sinister and ugly 48.29: “Muhammad is Allah’s Apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another” (Qur’an, Sura 48:29).

    I’m a big-picture girl. I am with Jacques Ellul and Conor Cruise O ‘Brien, and (further back in time) John Quincy Adams.

    Their analysis of Islam seems to me to fit the texts *and* the observable facts.

    • jeffpresidentlo says

      Mar 4, 2014 at 11:17 pm

      Anyway an update from the attack:

      It was revealed soon after the attack that minor Uyghurs are involved in the terrorist act. In fact, the one assailant who was injured on site is a 16 year-old girl. She confessed to jihadi motives and provide information on the locations of escaped attackers.

      • jeffpresidentlo says

        Mar 4, 2014 at 11:22 pm

        From major news outlet in China…

    • Mazo says

      Mar 5, 2014 at 2:33 am

      @Dumbledoresarmy

      I have not once mentioned Islamic theology, or the theology of any religion for that matter. I have only spoken on the actions of Muslims in east and southeast asia themselves, throughout history to the present day, and on your atrocious, horrific, and false claims and attempts at trying to fit them into your narrative of Muslims always being evil. Actions, do not always fit ideology.

      Rubbing shoulders with people has nothing to do with agreeing or disagreeing with them. Plenty of despicable people of all religions and races once walked the stones of Jerusalem, Rome, the Ganges…

      I spoke on –

      People falsely linking Hui Muslims to separatists and this attack in particular.

      People (you) creating a false narrative of Panthay and Dungan rebellions in China (every single Muslim rebellion was crushed by Muslim loyalist strongmen, who after the wars, militarily dominated the province, look up Ma Rulong and Ma Zhanao).

      You claimed that an indisdious good cop bad cop game is being played. Do you not realize that Muslims from various ethnicities (Hui, Salar, and Dongxiang), once dominated the military officer corp in northwest China, and other Hui throughout eastern China made a strong showing in the military corps too.

      In the Boxer Rebellion, it was Hui officers and soldiers guarding the Imperial Court as it fled from Beijing to Xi’an, and militarily were one of the only forces availible to Imperial government control. They could have massacred the entire government in Xi’an if they wanted to.

      The central government of the Republic of China had near zero control of northwest China, when Hui warlords decapitated the Uyghur Emirs of the First East Turkestan Republic and took control of Xinjiang.

      The Hui, Salar, and Dongxiang could have backstabbed the central government when Japan invaded in World War 2 and seized control of central and northwest China. Instead they fought the Japanese and beat them off , preventing them from reachung the vital Gansu corridor.

      I bet you would be cheerleading for the Japanese rapists in that case.

      You also compared a hypothetical independent Uyghur state with a independent Tibet, and claimed Tibet would never commited aggresion.

      Did you not realize in the 1930-1932 Sino-Tibetan War, Tibet under the 13th Dalai Lama did exactly that against the Republic of China, invading Xikang and Qinghai with the Tibetan Army. The Hui Muslim military governor of Qinghai, Ma Bufang, and his Hui and Salar Muslim officers and their troops (consisting of both Hui, Salar, and Tibetan loyalists to China) beat off the Dalai Lama’s Tibetan army, and drove them back into Tibet, taking back several counties as war spoils. These Hui, Salar, and Tibetan loyalists later fought against Japan in WW2.

      And both Tibetans and Uyghurs have been violent against Christian missionary, there was the 1905 Tibetan rebellion in Yunnan and Sichuan where Tibetan Lamas massacred French missionaries and Tibetan Catholics. Uyghur under Abdullah Bughra also killed Uyghur converts.

      Tibetan Muslims (Kachee) generally identify with, and side with Tibetan Buddhists, against Chinese Hui Muslims, in response to Hui opening up new commercial enterprises and restaurants in Tibet (the Tibetan Buddhists and Tibetan Muslims stereotype Hui Muslims like Jews, accusing them of serving human flesh in their restaurants, engaging in predatory commercial activities, etc.). Tibetan rioters in 2008 trashed Hui and Han owned property.

      Uyhurs actually do the sane stereotyping too, in the 2009 Urumqi riots, Uyghurs attacked both Han and Hui people and property.

      I have also pointed out:

      Spain committing aggresion first against the Moros and provoking them. Tell me, which people sailed all the way to the other side of the world to invade the other, Moros or Spanish?

      Spain massacring and oppressing Chinese, forcing Chinese into a ghetto and paying taxes

      Moros and Chinese allying and Moros tolerating paganism right in their capital, no jizya levied on Chinese. Chinese built a temple in Jolo, fought side by side with Moro against Spain, and supplied Moros with guns.

      The Moro Sulu Sultanate was an ally and protectorate of Ming and Qing China. (The Malay Malacca Sultanate was also an ally and protectorate of Ming China)

      Moros did not practice proper Islam and Americans observed them worshipped animist spirits and many didn’t know how to pray.

      Dr. Najeeb Saleeby, I believe, witnessed this, and recorded in his books that some of the Moro royal genealogies had alleged ancestry going back to spirit deities, in addition to claiming ancestry from Iskandar Zulkarnain (Muslim name for Alexander the Great) Moros also called their religious teachers Pandita, after the Hindu caste.

      Dr. Saleeby, in addition to being a qualified militart medic, and knowing his native Arabic and English, also learned the Moro Tausug and Maguindanao languages, while he was over thirty years old. He was definitely smarter than most people.

      America broke the Bates Treaty with the Moros, invaded their land, and forcibly and illegally annexed them into the Philippine Commonwealth. The Moros did not break the Treaty.

      Moros fought against Japan, and would only kill Japanese and Americans, but not kill local non-Muslim Chinese.

      I have also pointed out

      Dutch massacring Chinese in Indonesia in 1740, the Chinese and Javanese Muslims then rebelled against the Dutch in 1741 in revenge for the massacre, then Madurese Muslims backstabbed Chinese and Javanese Muslim, and helped Dutch put down the uprising.

      Dutch implement divide and rule policy between Chinese and Indinesian. Anti Chinese sentiment was introduce by the Dutch first.

      The separatist conflicts in Indonesia are mostly ethnic, not religious. Its about Javanese vs non Javanese minority.

      The Javanese Indonesians, dumped Hindu Balinese and Javanese Catholics onto East Timorese land after conquering East Timor.

      Anti-Indonesia East Timor freedom fighters in FRETILIN was led by Arab Muslim Mari Alkatiri, who was supported by China.

      The Muslim Acehnese, pagan Papuan OPM, Christian South Moluccans, Catholic East Timorese, and Moro Muslims all united to work together with Gaddafi’s suport, against Philippines and Indonesia. Philippines and Indonesia support each other against Australia.

      I have also pointed out

      It was Malaysia which booted Singapore out, while Singaporean leader Lee Kuan Yew wanted to stay in Malaysia. Malaysia does not want to annex a city they kicked out themselves.

      I have also pointed out

      The reason Thailand annexed Pattani, is because of the Anglo Siamese Treaty in 1909. Ayutthaya (Thailand) traditionally dominated the Malay peninsula, after invading and defeating the local Malay chieftans/princs and forcing them into vassalage. One of these Malay Princes, Parameswara, converted to Islam, became Iskandar Shah, founded the Malacca Sultanate asked China for help and protection, and Ming China forced Thailand to give up its vassal and grant Malacca independence, Malacca then became a Chinese protectorate and tributary.

      After the Portuguese conquered (pillaged and massacring civilians ) Malacca in 1511 (China later punished Portugal for their act), Thailand resumed its attacks on the Malays and forced the Malay Sultanates into vassalage. Again.

      These Malay vassal Sultans has to acknowledge the Thai King as their lord and pay tribute. Thailand’s Malay vassal Sultanates included Pattani, Kedah, Kelantan, etc. Pattani rebelled against Thai overlordship, and Thailand responded by dividing Pattani into several vassal Sultanates.

      Then the British came, turned the Malay Sultanate of Johor into a protectorate, and then forced Thailand to hand over their vassals in Kedah and Kelantan to British Malaya. That was what the Anglo Siamese Treaty in 1909 was about.

      The Thai then directly annexed Pattani as a province, abolishing its vassal state status, in order to prevent the British from taking Pattani too.

      So you see, the reason Pattani is in Thailand, is because the Thai wanted to keep the British out, not because the Malays launched a sneak attack in 1909 while Thailand was fighting Burma, which I’ve seen you guys claim.

      Apparently, you were unaware Burma was under British rule in 1909, or were pulling garbage out of thin air.

      Now where did I mention the Qur’an. Where did I mention Islamic theology. Where did I say that.

      • Defcon 4 says

        Mar 5, 2014 at 11:09 am

        Do you think by piling it deeper and higher you make your stinking lie that islamic ideology had nothing to do w/the attack in China more reputable?

        • Mazo says

          Mar 5, 2014 at 1:02 pm

          What smells is the lies your buddies constantly concoct to engage in blatant historical revisionism.

  11. Mazo says

    Mar 5, 2014 at 1:09 pm

    Example of a blatant lie- that the Pattani Sultanate was annexed because it attacked Thailand in a war with Burma.

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/02/thailand-muslims-murder-three-soldiers-and-election-official-in-jihad-bomb-attack

    Are you people too mentally deficient to realize that Burma was under British rule when Thailand annexed Pattani in 1909. I explained what happened above in my previous posts.

    • Kepha says

      Mar 7, 2014 at 8:32 pm

      Actually, Pattani had long been in a tributary relationship to the Thai, along with Kedah, Kelantan, Trengganu and other Malay Muslim states. That status was also imposed as far back as the Ayyuthaya period. It was a bit analogous to how Qumul and Tibet and Sipsong Panna were handled by the QIng.

  12. Kepha Hor says

    Mar 7, 2014 at 8:28 pm

    @DDA, March 4, 10:46 PM

    While I have always appreciated your Christian witness here, Mazo is historically correct about differences between different Muslim groups in China. Speaking of Hui, even the Muslim Ma Hongkui became a “righteous brother” to the Christian Chiang Kaishek (Maybe the Chinese Yi Xinogdi idea is something like “blood brothers” in other cultures–it’s a kind of Chinese cultural thing and can happen between two men who are very close as friends; a kind of more-than-friend-less-than-blood-kin sort of thing).

    Also, in Taiwan and Thailand, I ran into Hui people, and I by no means discount their Chinese patriotism–and further doubt local Yunnan Hui involvement. Hence, when I learned that in the late 1930’s, some Hui Imams from the northwest of China Proper (NOT Uyghurs) declared that resisting Japan and defending the Republic of China was a Jihad, I did not find it surprising (most of the Hui families I encountered in Taiwan were from military families that had come over in the 1949 retreat). After all, a lot of Christians in both Chinas are Chinese patriots, too.

    As with any group of people, the Hui are not a 100% decent and good people. But I myself am also married into people who answered aboriginal headhunting raids against them by eating any of the aboriginals they killed in these skirmishes (See Huang Rongle’s -Du Tai Bei Ge_渡台悲歌). Be that as it may, I choose to admire more these kinfolk’s industriousness, love of life, forthrightness, and can-do spirit. They’ve got a good cuisine and folk music tradition as well–and the ancient poetry actually rhymes when read aloud in their dialect rather than in Mandarin. I’ll also add that when I was in Mainland China, the Uyghur migrants from whom I bought bread treated me pretty decently and seemed friendly enough, too. Yes, there are things that I am for–America, the best in both Eastern and Western civilization, Jesus Christ–but I also belong to a long tradition that recognizes the possibility of sin in even the best of believers.

    I guess my read on the Kunming attacks is that ultimately, a tough-talking totalitarian polity may actually be a pretty weak reed on which to lean; and poor at protecting the populace even if it had made such a promise its strong suit in its bid for power. I would hate it if our anti-Jihad movement were to develop a soft spot for 20th century totalitarianism simply because Stalin deported Chechens or Mao treated both Hui and Uyghur badly (along with lots of other people).

  13. dumbledoresarmy says

    Apr 6, 2014 at 1:49 am

    Re the postings by “Mazo”.

    He’s a Muslim. Through and through. His whole style and manner of commenting – the aggression, the accusations, the spewing of a thousand factoids all of which he hopes will distract his hearers into getting lost in a labyrinth of detail – is absolutely typical.

    Therefore I don’t trust him. I cannot trust him. I don’t trust a word he says. So far, he has attempted to pretend that assorted Muslim-related events in Indonesia, Thailand, the Philippines, and China all have nothing whatsoever to do with Islam, oh noes, never never never, it’s always something else (or if it is, it’s the fault of the Eeevil Infidels).

    The bottom line is, Muslims in China remain …Muslims.

    That on different occasions assorted groups of Muslims, or individual Muslims, have thought it expedient to do this or that which happened to align with the goals of the – powerful – Infidel state within which they were ensconced, is neither here nor there. With Islam, Expediency rules. Not to mention that in some cases, one group of Muslims were quite happy to help (or even, in a sense, *use*) the Chinese state to suppress rival other-sect Muslims.

    And as for the situation in Australia, and his claim re an ‘Assyrian’ gang: I have been following the Middle Eastern Organised Crime Squad for some time now, and the *overwhelming* majority of perps they catch are, when brought to court, Muslim. Mohammeds galore.

    Mazo, of course, hopes we won’t figure out the other salient fact: that if someone from an Irish Catholic, Assyrian Christian, Coptic Christian or for that matter East Asian Buddhist cultural background, in Australia, engages in criminal activity, they do so *in contravention* of the core principles of their religio-cultural background. (Which is why Pope Francis I could just deliver a fiery sermon telling Italian nominally-Catholic Mafiosi to repent and desist from their lives of Crime).
    Whereas Mohammedans engaging in criminal aggression against non-Muslims can justify it to themselves by invoking the jihad paradigm…not to mention that their whole religio-cultural paradigm *teaches* them to hate and disdain the dirty unbelievers, and to regard uncovered infidel women as whores by definition…crime of all descriptions, from bullying and robbery through to armed assault, grand fraud, extortion and gang rapes, all flow naturally from that sort of attitude, the grandiosity, the denial of personal responsibility, the megalomaniacal sense of entitlement, that are part and parcel of normative Islam.

    It is the *Muslim* gangs and the *Muslim* criminals that are the worst of the worst.

    • Mazo says

      Apr 6, 2014 at 2:54 am

      DDA knows nothing about China, Indonesia, Thailand, or the Philippines so she can’t actually respond to any of the facts I pointed out when I debunked her BS claims on those countries.

      Asian people don’t want interference from outsiders.

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