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99 Years of Turkish Genocide

Apr 23, 2014 3:32 pm By Robert Spencer

In the declining days of the Ottoman Empire and the time of the birth of the secular Turkish republic, Christians in Anatolia were seen either as kuffar harbi, Infidels at war with Islam, and/or enemies of the Turkish state, for seeking political union with Greece and independence for Armenia. They were massacred and exiled wholesale. Before that, Anatolia had had a significant Christian population, and often a dominant Christian majority, since the dawn of Christianity. My own family was exiled from the crumbling Empire in 1918 for declining to convert to Islam. But Islamic supremacists never, ever take responsibility for the evil they perpetrate, and apparently the secular (and rapidly de-secularizing) Turks are no different.
“99 Years of Turkish Genocide,” AINA, April 23:

(AINA) — On April 24, 1915 the Turkish genocide of Assyrians, Greeks and Armenians began very simply, without pomp and circumstance. “We have made a clean sweep of the Armenians and Assyrians of Azerbaijan.” Those were the words of Djevdet Bey, the governor of Van Province in Ottoman Turkey, who on April 24, 1915 lead 20,000 Turkish soldiers and 10,000 Kurdish irregulars in the opening act of the genocide of Assyrians, Armenians and Pontic Greeks. In three short years, 750,000 (75%) Assyrians would be killed, 1.5 million Armenians and 500,000 Greeks.

On April 24 Assyrians, Greeks and Armenians will commemorate the 99th anniversary of the genocide with vigils, church services, lectures, demonstrations and personal reflection.

Much progress in recognizing the genocide has been made throughout the world since 1915. Many states officially recognize the Armenian genocide. Australia and Sweden have officially recognized the Assyrian genocide — called Seyfo (sword) in Assyrian. The International Genocide Scholars Association Officially Recognized the Assyrian and Greek Genocides (AINA 2007-12-15

But recognition for the genocide by the most important country has not been made. Turkey has not only denied the genocide, but has actively worked to block its recognition throughout the world. In February, 2013 the Turkish EU minister Egemen Bagis compared the Assyrian genocide with the act of masturbation (AINA 2013-02-26).

That the genocide occurred is beyond dispute1. The evidence comes from multiple sources. The genocide was recorded by Arnold Toynbee, famed British historian, as well as countless American and German missionaries. Toynbee’s document runs for more than 600 pages and is entitled, “Arnold Toynbee Papers and Documents on the Treatment of Armenians and Assyrian Christians by the Turks, 1915-1916, in the Ottoman Empire and North-West Persia.” The national archives of the British, French and American states contain a large collection of documents related to the genocide. The Diplomatic French archives, for example, included 45 volumes on the Assyrian question from 1915 to 1940.

There is also the testimony of thousands of Assyrian, Greek and Armenian survivors.

Joseph Zaya (1906-2006) survived the genocide. He was born in a village in the Hakkary mountains (presently South-Eastern Turkey). The Ottoman Empire was something he lived in until the age of nine, when, in the face of genocide, he and his family was forced to flee. He remembered it vividly: long marches, hunger, starvation, butchery, impalement, burning.

“I lost my brother and his wife and four kids right in front of my eyes. Three Kurds and two Turks dragged my brother out and cut off his arms, right in front of me and his wife and kids. They then proceeded to rape his wife and eleven year old daughter, all the while looking at him and taunting him. After which they shot all of them. But they spared me. I don’t know why.”

“During our escape through the mountains,” he continued, “I remember the bodies strewn on both sides of the path. Most women and children were crying but would not dare stop to care for the sick and dead because they knew the Turkish and Kurdish armies were behind them. I remember a child on the side of the road suckling on his already dead mother who had died with her arms around him. That image has haunted me all my life. This is something that we Assyrians should never forget, and the world should not forget it, either.”

No objective inquisitor can deny this horrific genocide occurred, the first of the twentieth century. Yet Turkey’s official policy, which it pursues zealously, is to do exactly that. For Turkey, the genocide did not occur, what occurred was “civil strife.” Turkey even goes as far as claim the Armenians mounted an insurrection and hence it was war and they were only casualties of war. This is not true, but even if it were, how would that explain the massacres of Assyrians and Greeks? They never rose against the Ottoman state. They remained loyal subjects until at last they realized their fate, and only then started literally defending their lives.

Ninety nine years later, most of the world has come to accept that genocide was perpetrated by the Ottoman Turks. Even the Kurds, who did most of the actual killing during the genocide, have admitted it. On April 23, 1995 the Parliament of Kurdistan in Exile issued a statement saying “Let history note that we at the Parliament of Kurdistan in Exile share the pain of the survivors and their relations. We unequivocally denounce the act and condemn the perpetrators of this inhumanity, the Ottomans and their collaborators of the Kurdish auxiliary forces. We urge you all to do the same” (AINA 4-23-1995).

But Turkey still refuses to come to terms with its past. In November of 2000, an Assyrian priest from St. Mary’s Syrian Orthodox Church in Diyarbakir, Turkey was arrested for affirming the Assyrian genocide of 1915. Fr. Yusuf was interviewed by reporters from the Turkish newspaper Hurriyet during deliberations in the U.S. Congress regarding HR 596, the Armenian Genocide Resolution. The reporters apparently had hoped to quote a Christian priest denying the validity of the Assyrian-Armenian-Greek Holocaust of 1915, but instead were angrily surprised by Fr. Yusuf’s defiant affirmation. Fr. Yusuf’s defiance has itself surprised those who have described him as an otherwise gentle and amicable man of faith. Following the interview, the Hurriyet reporters printed an inflammatory article with a photograph of Fr. Yusuf holding a cross under the headline “A Traitor Amongst Us” (AINA 11-23-2000).

For Assyrians, Greeks and Armenians, the genocide has not ended, it cannot end so long as Turkey denies the genocide. The psychological wounds cannot be healed if the crime is not acknowledged by the perpetrator.

The genocide did not end in 1918, it continues to this day. It has been 99 years of genocide.

1 See the following for background information:

  • Assyrian Genocide Scholar Discusses the Turkish Genocide of Assyrians
  • Remembering the Assyrian Genocide
  • The Ottoman Genocide of the Assyrians during World War I
  • The Assyrian Genocide: a Product of Ottoman Jihad

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Comments

  1. John C. Barile says

    Apr 23, 2014 at 3:40 pm

    END THE OCCUPATION — Turks OUT of North Cyprus !!

    • jewdog says

      Apr 23, 2014 at 4:59 pm

      Good idea, but let’s start with something relatively easy: Kick Turkey out of NATO.

  2. Reality Check says

    Apr 23, 2014 at 4:08 pm

    NEVER EVER LET TURKEY BECOME A PART OF THE EU! NEVER EVER!

    They don’t deserve to be a part of Europe even if they apologized.

    I am Bulgarian and there was an uprising against the Turks in my country in 1876. It was known as the April uprising. The way it was crushed down was horrific. Especially horrible was the Batak massacre. Apart from gang-raping and decapitating every woman in sight, they also roasted some of the villagers alive.

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batak_massacre

    http://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Konstantin_Makovsky_-_The_Bulgarian_martyresses.jpg

  3. mariam rove says

    Apr 23, 2014 at 4:21 pm

    NEVER EVER LET TURKEY BECOME A PART OF THE EU! NEVER EVER!

    you said that right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!m

  4. Angemon says

    Apr 23, 2014 at 5:30 pm

    In November of 2000, an Assyrian priest from St. Mary’s Syrian Orthodox Church in Diyarbakir, Turkey was arrested for affirming the Assyrian genocide of 1915. Fr. Yusuf was interviewed by reporters from the Turkish newspaper Hurriyet during deliberations in the U.S. Congress regarding HR 596, the Armenian Genocide Resolution. The reporters apparently had hoped to quote a Christian priest denying the validity of the Assyrian-Armenian-Greek Holocaust of 1915, but instead were angrily surprised by Fr. Yusuf’s defiant affirmation. Fr. Yusuf’s defiance has itself surprised those who have described him as an otherwise gentle and amicable man of faith.

    Typical islamic mentality, assuming someone is weak or manipulable by force just because they aren’t angry at everyone 24/7. News flash: from Xu Chu to Buzz Aldrin, history is full of examples that being nice and polite doesn’t mean being a whipping boy.

  5. Falsafa says

    Apr 23, 2014 at 5:47 pm

    Interesting to see clergymen of the same ethnic group against which the alleged “genocide” took place standing in the background of the picture shown in this article. I wonder who those poor deceased persons lying there in this picture are? Muslims perhaps? Do not forget that 5 million Muslims were ethnically cleansed from the Balkans in the 19th century leading up to the population exchanges – Christians in Asia Minor in exchange for Muslims in Greece. I think a bit of fair and balanced reporting by the writers and gatekeepers of this web site wouldn’t be too much to ask…suffering on all peoples from all faiths should be acknowledged in this turbulent period of Ottoman history.

    • Reality Check says

      Apr 23, 2014 at 7:10 pm

      Falsafa,

      Unless you quote your sources, I will see you as nothing but a Muslim troll mocking the memory of the millions of Christians exterminated by the Turkish beasts on the Balkans.

      You may have adopted a calm intellectual tone but that cannot hide your true intentions.

      • Falsafa says

        Apr 24, 2014 at 4:17 pm

        Thank you for the insulting remarks…please see some references provided further below.

        • virginia dare says

          Apr 25, 2014 at 1:28 am

          Where are these supposed references below Falsafa?. Methinks you have no proof of which you speak…so pony up and get real.

        • Falsafa says

          Apr 25, 2014 at 3:11 pm

          Dear Virginia Dare

          the names of historians who have documented the history of the decline and fall of the Ottoman Empire have been provided 7 posts below. What is more important however is the actual suffering and trauma the people of the region have endured. My ancestors included who were refugees from Selanik/Thessaloniki during the Balkan wars 1912-1913 (and from current Serbia in the 19th century) after having lived in these lands for centuries. Their only crime was that they were Muslim subjects of the Ottoman Empire. The purpose of my writing all of this is not be confrontational or to impose my views on anyone. Just to point out that suffering and tragedy affects us all regardless of race, religion. If we are to all get along and live peacefully than yes all grievances should be aired and discussed history analyzed in a balanced way. We should all listen to those who are different for us with respect and courtesy but at the same time in a critical manner. Only then do we have a chance to live our lives in peace and prosperity. At least that is my humble opinion.

        • Reality Check says

          Apr 25, 2014 at 4:03 pm

          “My ancestors included who were refugees from Selanik/Thessaloniki during the Balkan wars 1912-1913 (and from current Serbia in the 19th century) after having lived in these lands for centuries. Their only crime was that they were Muslim subjects of the Ottoman Empire.”

          AH! Falsafa finally let the cat out of the bag! He is of Muslim ancestry, so it’s his Muslim ancestry that feels offended by the facts and calls any embarrassing evidence against the Muslims “propaganda”.

          “Just to point out that suffering and tragedy affects us all regardless of race, religion.”

          Except that your race and your religion brought it on themselves by treating the other races and religions VERY BADLY, INDEED.

          “If we are to all get along and live peacefully …”

          Trust me, getting along and living peacefully with your ilk has not been easy after everything YOU did to US. Yet we excelled at it even though deportation and a similar manner of death is ALL you deserve.

          Muslims have no right to live among us – their true place is in the Asian hellholes they came from.

          Nobody likes you on the Balkans. Nobody wants you on the Balkans. The problem is that you Muzzies like yourselves too much, no matter what, and you don’t care. You have no shame and no respect in your system and you don’t care.

    • Angemon says

      Apr 23, 2014 at 7:38 pm

      “Interesting to see clergymen of the same ethnic group against which the alleged “genocide” took place standing in the background of the picture shown in this article. I wonder who those poor deceased persons lying there in this picture are? Muslims perhaps?”

      It would make much more sense if they were the same ethnic group than the (clearly non muslim) clergymen standing by them.

      “Do not forget that 5 million Muslims were ethnically cleansed from the Balkans in the 19th century leading up to the population exchanges ”

      So, going by your logic, population exchange is the same as murder and genocide? What is it with people always trying to make muslims look like the victims? Whenever there is a islamic terror attack we hear more about how the repercussions muslim communities fear (which, BTW, rarely, if ever, take place) than we hear of the victims. Truth is, the Balkans natives suffered horrors under oppression from muslim invaders for centuries, is it any wonder they wanted to get muslims out of their lands ASAP, especially when all major schools of islam teaches that lands conquered by muslims are muslims for always and forever, and that it’s an obligation to every muslim to strive to bring them back under muslim control?

    • Western Canadian says

      Apr 23, 2014 at 10:16 pm

      More fiction from a islmoliar.

      • Falsafa says

        Apr 24, 2014 at 4:26 pm

        Thank you for your kind and constructive comments adding to the quality of the discourse.

    • Antikythera says

      Apr 24, 2014 at 9:29 am

      ” Do not forget that 5 million Muslims were ethnically cleansed from the Balkans in the 19th century leading up to the population exchanges”

      The exchanges were 1.5 million Greeks for 300,000 Turks in Greece . These were imposed by western powers during the ongoing Turkish genocides as a way of minimising further massacres and without consultation of the Greeks in Asia minor.
      As for the 19th century it took Greece a hundred year war of independence to expel the Turkish occupiers and oppressors .I suppose to you, like all Islamic supremacists, would call it ethnic cleansing. It’s like calling the expulsion of occupying Germans from France and elsewhere in Europe at the end of ww2 as ethnic cleansing of the Germans.

      • Falsafa says

        Apr 24, 2014 at 4:02 pm

        Muslims have been part of the Eastern European landscape since the 14th century and even earlier in Spain. Peacefully coexisting with peoples of all faiths under the Millet system. Jews escaping from the Spanish Inquisition and persecuted by the Venetians were given sanctuary by the Ottoman Empire. “Better the Sultan’s turban than the Cardinal’s hat” was the prevailing attitude of the Christians living in the Balkans at the time when Eastern Europe was part of the Ottoman Empire. I suppose that if none of the above would support the case that Muslims deserve just as much to live in these lands as people of other faiths, the one can also make the case that the Americas should be vacated and given back to the Native Indians, Australia back to the Aboriginals…etc…

        With respect to the ethnic cleansing of Muslims from Europe one can refer to:
        http://www.tc-america.org/issues-information/forced-migration-and-mortality-64.htm

        One can also consult the works of such scholars as Guenther Lewy, Norman Stone, Justin McCarthy, Bernard Lewis, Andrew Mango…just to name a few…

        • Angemon says

          Apr 24, 2014 at 5:08 pm

          The taqqyia spreading Alfalfa posted:

          “Muslims have been part of the Eastern European landscape since the 14th century and even earlier in Spain.”

          Lol, what a joke. The only muslims who are part of the european landscape were the ones the europeans failed to repel. Both in Spain and Easter Europe muslims came as invaders, murderous barbarians who tried to impose their culture on the native populations. They’re as much part of Europe as rats or rabbits are part of Australia – foreign invaders who caused massive irreparable damage to the native populations. Spaniards needed almost 800 years to drive out the last remnant of the invading empire out of their homeland (which is more than those poor sods in the Balkans managed to do). Muslims were allowed to continue to live in Spain and keep practicing their religion and culture (they were called mudejares), but a few decades afterwards the populace rebelled against them since the mudejares had the nasty habit of aiding ottoman pirates to attack Spanish ships and Spanish coastal villages, and acting as a 5th column trying to prepare the way for an ottoman invasion of Spain.

        • Angemon says

          Apr 24, 2014 at 5:14 pm

          The taqqyia spreading Alfalfa posted:

          “Peacefully coexisting with peoples of all faiths under the Millet system.”

          The first pogrom recorded in Europe took place in Granada when a muslim mob stormed the royal palace in 1066, crucified Joseph ibn Naghrela, the Jewish vizier to the Berber king, and massacred more than a thousand Jewish families. According to the 1906 Jewish Encyclopedia, “Arabic chroniclers relate that [the vizier] believed neither in the faith of his fathers nor in any other faith,” and that he “controlled” the King and “surrounded him with spies.” The most bitter of his enemies was Abu Ishaq of Elvira, who wrote a maliciously anti-Semitic poem that helped spark the pogrom. Joseph’s father Samuel was a Talmudic scholar, grammarian, philologist, poet, warrior, and statesman who died ten years before the massacre. Among the Jews who fled the Iberian Peninsula after the massacre were the famed Bible commentators Abraham Ibn Ezra and Rabbi Yosef Karo (author of the Shulchan Aruch).

          “Do not consider it a breach of faith to kill them, the breach of faith would be to let them carry on. They have violated our covenant with them, so how can you be held guilty against the violators? How can they have any pact when we are obscure and they are prominent?” — Abu Ishaq, poem, 1066.

          Notice the reason the jews were massacred: they were prominent and the muslims were obscure, meaning there were jews who had a position of power over muslims, something forbidden by islamic orthodoxy, who considers the jews to be the worst of creatures and those who have incurred on allah’s wrath.

        • Angemon says

          Apr 24, 2014 at 5:19 pm

          The taqqyia spreading Alfalfa posted:

          “I suppose that if none of the above would support the case that Muslims deserve just as much to live in these lands as people of other faiths, the one can also make the case that the Americas should be vacated and given back to the Native Indians, Australia back to the Aboriginals…etc…”

          So you’re admitting that the muslims are foreign to Europe and should be driven out, even though you started by claiming that the muslims are part of Europe. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot…

        • Reality Check says

          Apr 24, 2014 at 5:20 pm

          Falsafa,

          You are either a complete idiot or a gleeful Muslim troll who enjoys getting a rise out of people. You are not any different from the Muslim who entered a church, unfolded a carpet and started chanting verses from the Quran.

          The Muslims in Eastern Europe NEVER co-existed peacefully with the enslaved peoples. NEVER-EVER! When they weren’t engaged in warfare against us, they were busy breaking the spirit of the Christians through numerous everyday humiliations.

          We were not allowed to build any new churches or repair the old ones until the existing places fell into disrepair. Young women were abducted, raped, forcefully converted and then “married” to their rapists even when there was no actual war or uprising taking place.

          Christian families were under the legal obligation to feed the passing Muslims for three days even when they didn’t have enough food to feed themselves and then their Muslim “guests” asked their Christian hosts to pay them money for wearing down their teeth on the food they’d been served.

          Here is a famous painting showing what the Muslims did to the women in my country:

          http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Konstantin_Makovsky_-_The_Bulgarian_martyresses.jpg

          Look at it and weep if you have any shame left, you ignorant brainwashed moron!

          No, your beloved Moslems have NO moral right whatsoever to live amongst us. They arrived here through a conquest, destroyed our dignity for 500 years and then were logically and inevitably kicked out. They don’t belong here. They didn’t enrich our culture in any way – just obliterated a large part of the existing one.

          And when they knew they couldn’t do this to us anymore, they unleashed their brutality on the Armenians and other unsuspecting peoples that still remained in their bloody empire.

          Check your facts before you spout nonsense. The link you posted is a link to one article and proves nothing. Read more and stop insulting the memory of millions of murdered, raped and humiliated Christians in Eastern Europe!

        • Angemon says

          Apr 24, 2014 at 5:37 pm

          The taqqyia spreading Alfalfa posted:

          “the Americas should be vacated and given back to the Native Indians, Australia back to the Aboriginals…etc…”

          By etc you mean that the “islamic world” should be given back to its rightful owners, right? Because what we know historically as the “islamic world” are in fact occupied christian lands ;).

          As for America and Australia, i say the same i say regarding muslims in Europe: ask the natives. If the Native Americans wanted everyone who can’t trace their families back to before 1776 out, then send them out. Same for Australia: ask the Aborigines if they want the non-Aborigines out. I can tell you the outcome though: Native Americans and Aborigines would want exclusive rights and access to some land because of historical and religious reasons and they’d allow the non-natives to live anywhere else (because they enjoy the likes of electricity, cars and modern medicine), while Europeans would show muslims the exit door so fast muslims would think they fell in a black hole 😉

        • Falsafa says

          Apr 24, 2014 at 5:47 pm

          To Messrs Reality Check, Angemon,

          Sirs,

          Name calling and insults do not strengthen your arguments, only weakens them by exposing how desperate you are in pushing through your racist and xenophobic views which may have been formed through myth and folklore developed over generations of story telling by your ancestors. The propaganda pictures you have provided only proves my point. If you are genuinely interested in understanding the history of the Balkans then I suggest you refer to the works of some of the scholars I have provided in my earlier posts, but I suppose that is of no interest to you unfortunately as obtaining a balanced view of history is not your objective.

        • Angemon says

          Apr 24, 2014 at 6:04 pm

          The taqqyia spreading Alfalfa posted:

          “Sirs,

          Name calling and insults do not strengthen your arguments,”

          You know what doesn’t strengthen your argument? Pretending someone insulted you or called you names.

          “only weakens them by exposing how desperate you are in pushing through your racist and xenophobic views which may have been formed through myth and folklore developed over generations of story telling by your ancestors.”

          Says the guy who wanted Americans out of America and Australians out of Australia. BTW, doesn’t insulting someone’s ancestors and calling someone racist and xenophobe falls under name calling, which, according to you, “does not strengthen your arguments, only weakens them by exposing how desperate you are”

          Truth is, the muslim invasions of Spain and the Balkans are recorded in all their barbarity even by the invaders themselves, so you might want to check your own sources.

          “The propaganda pictures you have provided only proves my point.”

          Propaganda, eh? The only propaganda going around here is coming from the guy/girl who claims that muslims are part of Europe. According to recorded history, muslims invaded Europe and the Europeans fought to drive them out.

          “If you are genuinely interested in understanding the history of the Balkans then I suggest you refer to the works of some of the scholars I have provided in my earlier posts, but I suppose that is of no interest to you unfortunately as obtaining a balanced view of history is not your objective.”

          The history of the Balkans can be summed up easily: since the 13th century the Ottoman Empire tried to conquer Europe from the East. The Serbian–Ottoman Wars, Croatian–Ottoman Wars and the Ottoman–Hungarian Wars led to a further expansion of the Ottomans into Central Europe in the 15th and 16th centuries. The expansion was significantly checked in the Siege of Vienna (1529), starting the Ottoman–Habsburg wars, and the Holy League of Christian states were able to reverse many Ottoman conquests in the Great Turkish War (late 17th century). Internal rebellions such as the Second Serbian Uprising (1815–1817) and the Greek War of Independence (1821–1832), coupled with continual wars with Russia and Poland, atrophied the empire, which collapsed at the conclusion of World War I with the signing of the Treaty of Sèvres.

        • Angemon says

          Apr 24, 2014 at 6:20 pm

          Notice how Alfalfa calls racist and xenophobes to those who mention and give examples of the well recorded muslim brutalities in Spain and in the Balkans. His agenda is clear, he’s not interested in a rational discussion of historical events, he’s just trying to portrait muslims as poor victims of European intolerance and therefore he simply insults anyone who points out that he’s lying through his teeth.

        • Angemon says

          Apr 24, 2014 at 7:21 pm

          Alfalfa posted:

          “ you are in pushing through your racist”

          What race is islam?

          “and xenophobic views which may have been formed through myth and folklore developed over generations of story telling by your ancestors.”

          You compared what the muslims did in Europe to what the Americans did to the Native Americans and what the British did to the Australian Aborigines, and yet you’re telling that anyone who says that muslims entered Europe by force and performed unspeakable acts of barbarity against the native populations (something that’s attested to even in the muslim sources) is a racist xenophobe who believes in lies told throughout generations.

          Ladies and gentleman, Alfalfa – the gift who keeps on giving 😉

        • Reality Check says

          Apr 25, 2014 at 8:51 am

          Falsafa,

          The website you quoted states its aim as “Fostering understanding of Turkish-American issues through public education” and announces itself as the mouthpiece of “The Turkish Coalition of America”. I rest my case here – you can’t expect me to believe anything published on the website of a propaganda organization whose apparent goal is to whitewash the history of the bloody Turkish empire and tip the balance of public sympathy in Turkey’s favour. Any intelligent person would have figured out the hidden agenda of these people by looking at the website’s header but you would not – hence you are either stupid or paid to troll every website that has an article on the truth about the Armenian genocide.

          How much is the going rate for trolling a website that tells the truth about Islam and its empires of the past? I am not interested in applying because it’s against my principles but I’m interested how much your “assistance” costs. Does it pay the bills or do you just do this out of the misplaced goodness of your heart?

          One could wonder why America would need a society promoting “understanding” of Turkish issues as Turkey is definitely not the most prominent country in the world but I think the answer is self-evident – countries that insist on being “understood” actually insist on excusing the inexcusible and whitewashing the unwashable. Case closed. Have you ever asked yourself why the nations that suffered under the Turks did not think about founding their own societies abroad? It’s because they don’t think they have anything to prove, explain or excuse. So much of our blood has been shed by the Turks that the blood speaks on our behalf.

          You constantly cry about being insulted by us but I can’t imagine anything more insulting than your claim that our views have been formed “through myth and folklore developed over generations of story telling” by our ancestors and that the painting I posted is a “propaganda picture”. This removes any doubts that you are not interested in a balanced view of Balkan history – you are only interested in the Turkish side of the balance.

          What is the guarantee that the Turkish views have not “been formed through myth and folklore developed over generations of story telling” by their ancestors? How come you choose to believe their “story telling” and not the “story telling” of their victims?

          As for your “reputable scholars” that may or may not help me understand the history of the Balkans better, do you really believe that someone like me, who was born on the Balkans and has spent most of her life on the Balkans, really needs a foreign opinion on the history of my own homeland? Most of the names you referred to in your post seem British anyway and many Britons were Turkophiles, so their opinion is biased at best and dishonest at worst. If they mentioned only the Turkish suffering and thus won your confidence, all I can say is I am NOT going to read them. Had they mentioned the Christian side of the story, you wouldn’t be here at all – or maybe I’m too naive.

          We still have churches full of the skulls and bones of the thousands of innocent people slaughtered, raped and burnt alive for fun by your Turkish friends. Those bones were not made by plastic for the purpose of creating a mass delusion. They are real and will always be real – and much more real than all the dry works of your beloved Western historians. By the way, the atrocities of your Turkish friends have no root in folklore – they were reported to the 19th-century Western press by Western correspondents who visited the devastated areas in person and saw the piles of beheaded raped bodies for themselves.

        • gravenimage says

          Apr 26, 2014 at 8:39 pm

          Falsafa wrote:

          Muslims have been part of the Eastern European landscape since the 14th century and even earlier in Spain. Peacefully coexisting with peoples of all faiths under the Millet system…
          …………………………..

          Good God, what gall.

          Muslims entered both Spain and the Balkans as bloody conquerers. During the horrific fall of Constantinople, Mohammedan hordes put countless Christians to the sword, including the women, children, priests and nuns who had taken sanctuary in Hagia Sofia.

          And after the conquest Christians had to supply girls for the Harems and boys for the soldiery that kept them oppressed and launched further conquest in the Balkans from among their own children through the horrific Janissary system.

          The Christians lived as oppressed and threatened dhimmis.

          So much for that “peaceful coexistence”…

          More:

          “Better the Sultan’s turban than the Cardinal’s hat” was the prevailing attitude of the Christians living in the Balkans at the time when Eastern Europe was part of the Ottoman Empire.
          …………………………..

          Actually, this was not a general saying, but a specific quote attributed to Loukas Notaras, the last Admiral under the Byzantine emperors, also sometimes translated as “I would rather see a Turkish turban in the midst of the City [Constantinople] than the Latin mitre”, which he said in a moment of frustration.

          Actually, he worked tirelessly to secure Catholic aid against the threatening Mohammedan hordes.

          He defended Constantinople during the terrible Muslim siege of that great city—why would he have done so, if he really wanted to live under the Mohammedan yoke?

          He was able to hold the sea wall, but the Muslim hordes breached another part of the wall. The Turks held his wife and children for ransom. He gave them most of his fortune in ransom to secure their release—a fortune, incidentally, that he had invested with the Catholic Venetians, whom he clearly trusted more than the invading Muslims.

          The Sultan, after hearing that Notaras’ fourteen-year-old son was a beautiful boy, demanded the child be sent to him for his perverted pleasure.

          Notaras balked at this, and so the Sultan had him and his sons beheaded.

          His wife was enslaved, and died soon afterward. But two members of his family were on the passenger list of a Genoese ship that escaped the fall of the city. His daughter Anna became, along with her aunt, the focal point of the Byzantine expatriate community in Venice.

          Why would his family want to escape to the Latin West, when they could have stayed in Constantinople and share Loukas’ fate? sarc/off

          Not exactly what Falsafa would have us believe the story behind this saying to be…

          More:

          I suppose that if none of the above would support the case that Muslims deserve just as much to live in these lands as people of other faiths…
          …………………………..

          Muslims never invaded to Balkans to live as equals with people of other faiths. As chronicled by Makarios Melissenos, the Sultan said to Notaras before he had him executed, “since God [Allah] saw it fit to enslave you and all the others to me…”

          That’s an odd sentiment from such a supposed “egalitarian”…sarc/off

        • Reality Check says

          Apr 27, 2014 at 6:15 am

          Gravenimage,

          That was a great post. Thank you so much.

          RC

    • mortimer says

      Apr 24, 2014 at 10:20 am

      Obviously, the clergyman is there for a mass funeral of the Christian victims.

      • Falsafa says

        Apr 24, 2014 at 4:14 pm

        The point that was being made was that if there was a “genocide” taking place targeting Christians living in the lands under Ottoman rule then wouldn’t the clergymen also be subjected to such a “genocide” as well? Interesting isn’t it?

        • Angemon says

          Apr 24, 2014 at 6:13 pm

          The point you’re trying to make seems to be “well, it in deed a genocide took place why did clergymen escaped?”, which is the standard islamic defense to all charges of genocide: “if indeed there was a holocaust during WW2 how come there are jews today?”, “if muslims committed genocide against Hindus in India then how come there are Hindus today?”, “if muslims massacred the Greek and Armenian people then how come Armenia and Greece exist today?”. Get new material (or at least material that doesn’t make you sound like a drunken clown – my apologies to drunkards and clowns who felt offended by that comparison) and try again later.

        • gravenimage says

          Apr 26, 2014 at 9:46 pm

          Falsafa wrote:

          The point that was being made was that if there was a “genocide” taking place targeting Christians living in the lands under Ottoman rule then wouldn’t the clergymen also be subjected to such a “genocide” as well? Interesting isn’t it?
          ………………………..

          The Armenian Genocide was executed in a series of homicidal waves from the 1890s through 1915 and the early 1920s.

          Falsafa is here lamenting that at times there were enough surviving clergy to give at least some of the victims a Christian burial. *Ugh*.

          The fact is that this genocide was well chronicled, including by the murderers themselves.

          The final toll of the genocide was between 1.5 and 2 million dead. Christians went from being a significant minority in the 1880s to just a remnant of survivors by the 1920s.

          And the handful of surviving Turkish Christians have continued to suffer violence—including in the Istanbul Pogrom of 1955 and the recent murder of Armenian journalist Hrant Dink.

          Today, Christians and Jews make up no more than .7% of the Turkish population.

          As late as 1914, the Armenian population of Turkey was almost 2 million; today, only 40,000 to 70,000 remain.

          There are around 2,500 Greeks, about 500 Bulgarians, and a handful of Assyrians remaining.

          Turkish records themselves chronicled this precipitous drop in the Christian population. For him to put sneer quotes around “genocide” is sickening—but hardly surprising.

          Taqiyya-slinging Muslims deny the genocide to Infidels now—but they reveled in ridding Turkey of almost its entire Infidel population.

    • gravenimage says

      Apr 26, 2014 at 6:34 pm

      Falsafa wrote:

      Interesting to see clergymen of the same ethnic group against which the alleged “genocide” took place…
      …………………

      My God, what crap. The Armenian Genocide is amply documented—by survivors, by Western Christian and other aid groups who tried to help the victims, and by records kept by the Ottoman Empire, the regime of the “Young Turks”, and by Attatürk’s republic.

      The genocide continued for over thirty years, and was aimed at not just Armenian, but also Greek and Levantine Christians and Jews. In other other words, the genocide was an attempt to render Turkey rid of all non-Muslims. It was largely successful and claimed well over a million victims.

  6. Kepha says

    Apr 23, 2014 at 5:55 pm

    So the Kurdish Parliament recognizes the Kurdish role in the Anatolian and Assyrian horrors and urges others to remember and avoid a repeat? Well, is taking a hat off to someone a sign of respect in Kurdistan? If not, kindly inform me of a more appropriate gesture.

    BTW, my world history course is moving towards WWI. I’m planning on making mention of the Armenian, Anatolian Greek, and Assyrian genocides–and perhaps even pointing out that our current administration seems to be abetting the “finishing of the job” in Syria.

    Robert, I think all of us here honor the memory of your ancestors in declining conversion to Islam and are glad they were able to re-locate here. Don’t let this memory fade.

    • ibn Muslim says

      Apr 24, 2014 at 3:20 am

      > My own family was exiled from the crumbling Empire in 1918 for declining to convert to Islam.

      So this JW thing is a personal grudge… You don’t have to blindly follow mistakes of your ancestors – you can REVERT to Islam, the true din of God 🙂

      • John C. Barile says

        Apr 24, 2014 at 7:24 am

        A True Prophet said:

        By their fruits you shall know them. A good tree does not bear evil fruits.

        Your din is supremacist, supplants the good, produces no sanctity or sanity, and sows evil.

        • ibn Muslim says

          Apr 24, 2014 at 9:02 am

          You are using the word “supremacist” as something bad. Of course the Truth is only One, and Truth has to win over lie.

          Islam will dominate the World!

        • John C. Barile says

          Apr 24, 2014 at 9:37 am

          Not over the blood of innocents, crying out to Heaven for just retribution; your “Truth” is a lie — quite evidently so.

          You mock the dead, but your soul is already dead, dead to saving Grace.

        • gravenimage says

          Apr 26, 2014 at 10:03 pm

          I see the Mohammedan creeps are coming out of the woodwork on this thread. And why not? This marks a grim milestone of one of their most horrific atrocities.

          ibn Muslim wrote:

          > My own family was exiled from the crumbling Empire in 1918 for declining to convert to Islam.

          So this JW thing is a personal grudge…
          …………………………..

          Were this merely a historic issue, it would just be a sad chapter from the past.

          But it is not—Christians and other non-Muslims are being murdered *today* for refusing to convert to Islam at gunpoint in Iraq, and Nigeria, and Syria, and many other places.

          More:

          You don’t have to blindly follow mistakes of your ancestors – you can REVERT to Islam, the true din of God
          …………………………..

          As a pious Mohammedan, ibn Muslim believes that the “true din of God” should be spread by the sword, and victims submit to it lest they and their loved ones be murdered by Islam’s homicidal followers. *Ugh*.

          More:

          You are using the word “supremacist” as something bad. Of course the Truth is only One, and Truth has to win over lie.
          …………………………..

          And how, in a Muslim’s view, does “Truth win over lie (sic)”? Why, by threatening to murder the victim is he does not agree. What a vicious, false creed Islam is.

          And of course he doesn’t consider supremacism to be a negative thing—he belongs to a creed that worships violence, abuse, and slavery. They consider such savagery positive values.

          More:

          Islam will dominate the World!
          …………………………..

          Don’t be so sure. As your coreligionist Falsafa bemoans, the Infidels of the Balkans and Greece bravely took back their freedom.

          Not all Kuffar are going to roll over for your barbarism.

      • John C. Barile says

        Apr 24, 2014 at 9:48 am

        Your Islam is Infamy. These things that you boast about are abominable crimes.

        And may the Israelis kick your cohorts to Perdition.

        Almighty God have mercy on us all.

      • Champ ✿ says

        Apr 24, 2014 at 4:57 pm

        ibn Muslim: another lost cause serving an evil cause: islam.

      • Kepha says

        Apr 24, 2014 at 8:04 pm

        So, someone in Morocco or Algeria whose ancestors fled Spain because they wouldn’t be come Catholics or the Maghreb or Bosnia because they wouldn’t accept French or Austrian governance is only holding a grudge, too? Or the grandson of a Falastin Arab denied citizenship in the Kuwait or Syria where he was born is anti-Israel only because he’s holding a grudge?

        So, Ibn Muslim, you seem to be proving the point of many that Muslims simply cannot bring themselves to admit that they’ve ever wronged anyone.

  7. Papa Whiskey says

    Apr 23, 2014 at 10:50 pm

    The history of the Armenian Genocide and foreign complicity therein may be found in the works of Vahakn Dadrian: “The History of the Armenian Genocide” and “Warrant for Genocide,” among others. Well worth a read.

    • gravenimage says

      Apr 26, 2014 at 10:09 pm

      Other good books are Peter Balakian’s “The Burning Tigris”for a general history of the entire Armenian Genocide and Giles Milton’s “Paradise Lost” about the destruction of Smyrna.

      Both wrenching reads, but excellent research.

  8. mortimer says

    Apr 23, 2014 at 11:41 pm

    The deaths of the three million Christian victims must be recognized and confessed. The last sultan called the genocides ‘the greatest stain’ on the Turkish race.

    • Reality Check says

      Apr 24, 2014 at 8:25 am

      As a matter of fact, it is the most recent stain and hence the most remembered of all. The Turks conquered their territories in the 14th-15th centuries. There were many massacres after that, most of them forgotten because of the distance of time and lack of mass media in those days.

  9. Antikythera says

    Apr 24, 2014 at 5:26 am

    Memorandum by the Committee of Union and Progress outlining the strategy for implementing the Armenian Genocide, 1914-1915:

    1. The 10 commandments of the COMITÉ UNION AND PROGRES.

    (1). Profiting by Arts: 3 and 4 of Comité Union and Progres, close all Armenian Societies, and arrest all who worked against Government at any time among them and send them into the provinces such as Bagdad or Mosul, and wipe them out either on the road or there.

    (2). Collect arms.

    (3). Excite Moslem opinion by suitable and special means, in places as Van, Erzeroum, Adana, where as a point of fact the Armenians have already won the hatred of the Moslems, provoke organised massacres as the Russians did at Baku.

    (4). Leave all executive to the people in the provinces such as Erzeroum, Van, Mumuret ul Aziz, and Bitlis, and use Military disciplinary forces (i.e. Gendarmerie) ostensibly to stop massacres, while on the contrary in places as Adana, Sivas, Broussa, Ismidt and Smyrna actively help the Moslems with military force.

    (5). Apply measures to exterminate all males under 50, priests and teachers, leave girls and children to be Islamized.

    (6). Carry away the families of all who succeed in escaping and apply measures to cut them off from all connection with their native place.

    (7). On the ground that Armenian officials may be spies, expel and drive them out absolutely from every Government department or post.

    (8). Kill off in an appropriate manner all Armenians in the Army – this to be left to the military to do.

    (9) All action to begin everywhere simultaneously, and thus leave no time for preparation of defensive measures.

    (10). Pay attention to the strictly confidential nature of these instructions, which may not go beyond two or three persons.

    http://www.armenian-genocide.org/sampledocs/br-cup-memo-text.htm

  10. Antikythera says

    Apr 24, 2014 at 5:32 am

    Most historians regard 1912 to 1925 as a time of massive Christian annihilation and relocation by the Muslim Ottoman Empire. Although commonly given the misnomer “Armenian Genocide,” the atrocity was a carefully planned ethnic cleansing to rid Asia Minor of Armenians, Assyrians, Greeks and other minorities in order to establish an exclusively Muslim Turkish state. Some scholars date the first phase of the Christian genocide from the reign of Sultan Abdul Hamid and his Hamidian Massacres of 1895-1897 through the Istanbul Pogrom of 1955 .

    The Hamidian massacres attempted to assert Muslim supremacy and advance the cause of Turkification. French ambassador Pierre Paul Cambon described Turkey at the time as “literally in flames” with “massacres everywhere” and Christians murdered “without distinction.” Marauding Kurdish chieftains in the region were encouraged to join in and channel their aggression into the killing, pillaging and raping of non-Muslim populations. Estimates of the number of Christians who perished during the reign of Sultan Hamid range from 100,000 to 300,000.

    From the 1900’s to 1922, the Christian population declined from 25% to less than 5% within Anatolia. Under Islam, Christians had few rights, paid exorbitantly high taxes – the jizya – and enjoyed limited political representation and access to government services. Their testimony was inadmissible, no provision existed for their legal protection, they were prohibited from owning firearms, and their property, wives and children were vulnerable to spontaneous attacks.

    Approximately 2.5 million Armenians[1], Assyrians and Greek Christians were massacred during this period. Kurds were encouraged to settle in Christian territory, demand the payment of tributes and illegally seize land. They were given free rein against local Christians in exchange for their loyal service to the Ottoman government.

    Origins

    The Turkish campaign began five years prior to World War I, when the Young Turks, a secret society of students and military officers, seized control of the Ottoman government. Initially, in an attempt to solidify their control, the Young Turks promised equality for all non-Muslims. Once in power, they rescinded this policy and devised a scheme of plunder to obtain much needed economic resources for the declining Ottoman Empire. To encourage and justify the attacks, they promulgated rumors that Christians were traitorously assisting the Empire’s enemies. A fatwa was declared against Christians and was announced in mosques throughout the empire. A two-fold plan was devised to homogenize Turkey through: 1) the assimilation or dilution of non-Turkish Muslims by dispersing them throughout the empire and 2) the elimination of non-Muslims who were deemed infidels and enemies of Islam. Convicts were released from prison to staff the Special Organization[6], which was formed to carry out the final solution to the Christian problem. Escorted by military troops, they raped, robbed and killed innocent Christian men, women and children.

    The Christian genocide was a three-phase process. First, able-bodied men were rounded up and deported for labor battalions. Second, community leaders and influential people were publicly executed. Then, defenseless women, children and the elderly were massacred or resettled and enslaved.

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/08/the_jihad_against_the_armenian_assyrian_and_greek_christians.html

  11. Antikythera says

    Apr 24, 2014 at 5:41 am

    Ethnic Greeks

    Ethnic Greeks, uprooted from their ancestral home of 3,000 years, were the first to be victimized in what in Greece is called, the “Great Catastrophe.” During the first six months of 1914, a concerted effort began to exterminate Greeks with the goal of clearing them out of Asia Minor to make room for Muslim refugees from the Balkans. All Greek men, aged 18 to 50, were ordered to report for military duty. They were incorporated into the Ottoman army then transferred to labor battalions where they died by the thousands of exposure, cold, hunger and deprivation.

    House-to-house searches were conducted for firearms. Greeks were taken from their homes, deported and massacred. Greek men and women were tortured and accused of disloyalty to the Ottoman government. Women and girls were raped and forced to convert to Islam. Boys and girls were kidnapped and transported into the interior of the Empire. The government was more reserved in its treatment of Greeks than the Armenians, Assyrians and other minorities and did not subject them to general massacre. That’s because the Greek government had expressed concern for the welfare of the victims and the Turks were afraid that Greece would enter World War I on the side of the Allies.

    Armenians & Other Minorities

    In 1915, the Young Turks moved against the Armenians, Assyrians and other minority groups. All non-Turks were disarmed and troops dispatched to collect weapons. In the process, the Young Turks murdered men, raped women and burned houses. Armenians and Assyrians serving in the army were removed from combat ranks and forced to serve in labor battalions. Non-Muslim leaders were removed from the community under the pretext that they were conspiring against the government. Imprisoned and marched out of town, they were roped together and forbidden to bring any possessions or bid farewell to their families. Once the population was disarmed and the men removed, the reign of terror began, similar to the Greek Genocide.

    Published compilations at the time provided details of the deliberate massacre of innocent Christians from eyewitness accounts by diplomats and missionaries from various parts of the Ottoman Empire as well as from American, German, Italian, Scandinavian, Greek, Kurdish, Russian, Assyrian and Armenian witnesses. Volumes included the British Blue Book, “The Treatment of Armenians in the Ottoman Empire, 1915-1916,” “The Black Book of Sufferings of the Greek People” and “Ambassador Morgenthau’s Story” by the American Ambassador to the Ottoman Empire from 1913-1916, who witnessed the genocide of the Armenian, Assyrian and Greek population.

    Descriptions of the atrocities were horrific. Witnesses observed villages surrounded and often set ablaze with no possible exit for villagers. Property, livestock and homes were confiscated by the authorities. Children were poisoned or murdered with injections of morphine and entire schools pumped with toxic gas. Women and children were loaded into boats and taken out to sea to be capsized or thrown overboard. Women and girls were striped naked, beaten with tree branches, raped in full view of family members and skinned and burned alive. The bellies of pregnant women were bayoneted and fetuses tossed into the air and impaled on swords. Some victims were injected with live typhus and suffered a slow death from the ravages of disease. Others were made to march naked with horseshoes nailed to their feet. No water or food was provided and they endured constant beatings by the gangs that escorted them. People were tied to horses and dragged to their deaths or had their bodies torn in half by being tied to opposite tree limbs. Others were crucified, hacked to death and sawed into pieces.

    Churches were ransacked and priests beaten and made to march naked as they were massacred. Men were beaten on the soles of their feet until they swelled and burst and their limbs required amputation. The Turks pulled out facial hair, extracted nails, ripped out tongues, applied hot irons to the chests of victims, poured hot butter into their wounds and taunted them about Christ coming to their aid. The Ottoman Turks even reviewed the records of the Spanish Inquisition to come up with ideas for torture.

    Some Christians were deported with the idea that they would die en route without food or water. During the journey, they were robbed, whipped, bayoneted and murdered by Muslims who prohibited them from stopping for water. Others were hit with saws, hammers and clubs and left to be devoured by wild animals.

    Christian victims who weren’t killed were enslaved in harems, kidnapped and forced to convert to Islam. Surviving women were required to remand their children to the government to be raised as Muslims.

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/08/the_jihad_against_the_armenian_assyrian_and_greek_christians.html

    • defcon 5 says

      Apr 24, 2014 at 11:20 am

      Sounds like the kinda of people the zero in the presidential palace can admire!

    • Falsafa says

      Apr 24, 2014 at 6:02 pm

      Sir,

      You may have omitted to mention the wholesale massacre of the Muslim population and scorched earth policy applied by the invading Greek army in western Anatolia during their invasion between the years 1919 to 1922, clearly documented by historians such an Arnold Toynbee (who was no friend of the Turks), Lord Kinross, Andrew Mango, Bernard Lewis to name a few. I think we would all appreciate a more balanced view of history, if are ever to have a chance of reconciling our differences to peacefully co-exist, which I sincerely hope is something you may aspire to as well. Thank you for your attention.

      • Defcon 4 says

        Apr 25, 2014 at 1:40 am

        Falsafa, polite words don’t make your islamic lies any more palatable.

        Do you deny the Armenian Genocide? I know some Armenians who would like to “discuss” the issue w/you in person.

        • dumbledoresarmy says

          Apr 25, 2014 at 3:45 am

          Falsafa = falsifier.

          He has told us himself, in his name, what he is.

          He is lying – and also, even more disgustingly, engaging in Blame the Victim, Turnspeak, Reversal of Reality, Scapegoating, and Projection – in order to cover up one of the worst mass murders in human history (a mass murder that is one of many, many historic mass murders committed by the Ummah, or Mohammedan Mob, in order to please their infernal allah, the arab demon of blood and war).

        • gravenimage says

          Apr 26, 2014 at 10:23 pm

          DDA, “Falsafa”—also spelled “Falsafah”—means “Islamic philosophy”, and we all know what *that* is. *Ugh*.

        • Falsafa says

          Apr 27, 2014 at 4:36 am

          “I know some Armenians who would like to “discuss” the issue with you in person.”

          I suppose by “discuss” you mean become a victim of the same Armenian terrorists who murdered 70 people including Turkish Diplomats and Civilians since the reign of terror waged by the Asala organization and it’s affiliates since the 1970s? That is some Christian love I can do without. I respectfully decline.

        • Reality Check says

          Apr 27, 2014 at 5:09 am

          There is a lot of Muslim love that we Christians can do without but you simply don’t give the Christians in the Middle East a choice even 99 years after the Armenian massacre, Falsafa.

          Stop using phrases “I respectfully decline”. You are not respectful at all. If you were really respectful, you would not be here in the first place, mocking the victims.

          The last thing we need here is a pro-Turkish extremist trying to demonize the dead but you Muslims have never had respect. You not only take our lives but want our history as well.

    • gravenimage says

      Apr 26, 2014 at 10:16 pm

      As Antikythera notes, this genocide did not just happen under the Ottoman Empire—it continued under the “Young Turks” and even under Attatürk. By the time it ended with the destruction of Smyna in 1922, most of the Infidel population of Turkey had been murdered or driven out.

  12. Kasey says

    Apr 24, 2014 at 8:00 am

    There are no limits to the use of taqiyya to defend Islam. First, denial of the Armenian genocide [which Hitler quoted frequently re his own efforts], then the Nazi holocaust in occupied Eastern Europe in WW2. All Islam tries to deny both.
    The Turks themselves know it as a national disgrace and thus can’t admit to it openly, just as the Japanese won’t come to terms with their atrocities in their sphere of influence in WW2. Koranic directives are used as justification for both but that can never be admitted as that would be seen as a criticism of Islam which all Muslims are forbidden to do!

  13. defcon 5 says

    Apr 24, 2014 at 11:23 am

    Thank you for telling the truth about the genocide of millions of Christians at the hands of Kurdish and Turkish muslims.

  14. Martin Grimes says

    Apr 24, 2014 at 12:16 pm

    I appreciate the education. I have passed this on to my wife and friends, who like me, were ignorant of the atrocity never mentioned in school.
    I have a more comprehensive knowledge of what Islam does to the human mind and I have great respect for the patience of those who rely on Christ to give justice where justice is needed

  15. Falsafa says

    Apr 24, 2014 at 4:53 pm

    I beg to differ on the version of history brought forth in this article. There are many just as many reputable scholars who argue that the suffering endured by all peoples in Asia Minor in the last chapter of Ottoman history can not be labelled as “genocide” committed against the Christian peoples living in eastern Anatolia at that time. Please refer to a 3 minute response from Professor Bernard Lewis to the question of whether a “Genocide” was committed in the link provided here:

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qG70UWESfu4

    Thank you for your attention.

    • Liam1304 says

      Apr 24, 2014 at 7:38 pm

      You are attempting an argument of moral equivalence. Yet the facts remain, there is no teaching in Christianity in any way similar to those of Islam that specify the second class – not to mention subhuman & cursed – status of those who do not follow the faith. Given the overwhelming theological basis in Islam for violence and supremecism it is not at all difficult to extrapolate from Islam’s theology and early history that such events as the Armenian Genocide should occur.

      According to your own sacred texts your prophet had critics assassinated – including a breast feeding mother; drove out those Jewish tribes of the Arabian Peninsula who did not accept him as a prophet – including the decapitation of up to 800 prisoners of war and the rape and slavery of their families; Muhammad led attacks on neighbours and taught that the only was a Muslim can know for sure that they will attain heaven at their death is to die fighting in the way of Allah.

      Did Jesus do anything like this? If those Christians who claim to follow him behave like this are they accurately representing Jesus? Of course not. Yet Muslims who behave so can legitimately claim to be heirs of the faith and practice of their prophet.

      Should it then come as a surprise that many hundreds of years later Muslim Turks obeyed and emulated the last prophet of Allah?

      You will find no civilised person trying to excuse the murder of any women and children. Yet we unceasingly encounter Muslims who wish to do exactly that repeatedly and in every context of Muslim agression – as you yourself are now doing.

      Perhaps you would like to speak out now concerning Boko Haram’s genocide of the Christians and Animists of Nigeria? Or on the FSA and mujihadeen of Syria attacks on the Christians there? Or on the Muslim Brotherhood attacks on Egyptian Christians and churches? Is there *any* sphere of Muslim oppression and terror regarding which you would care to criticise your co-religionists?

      Is any of this in any way acceptable to you? Because if it were Christian majorities doing this to Muslim minorities – I am adopting the position of Devil’s advocate – you must know that no civilised person would excuse it.

      It would be of enormous benefit for you to a) admit these atrocities occurred and denounce them; and b) admit their etymology and provenance in sacred Islamic teaching concerning your prophet.

    • gravenimage says

      Apr 26, 2014 at 10:28 pm

      The most brazen thing about Falsafa and his vile coreligionists is that they are trying to deny genocide *at the very same time* that they are waging genocide against the Christians in Iraq, in Nigeria, and in Syria.

  16. Champ ✿ says

    Apr 24, 2014 at 4:55 pm

    But Islamic supremacists never, ever take responsibility for the evil they perpetrate, and apparently the secular (and rapidly de-secularizing) Turks are no different.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    They think that it’s their rite of passage to perpetrate evil …after-all, their evil prophet, muhammad (perdition be upon him), was a murdering marauder, and so are his devout followers. Indeed islam is wholly evil; beginning, but not ending with, muhammad.

  17. Martel says

    Apr 24, 2014 at 6:16 pm

    The taqiya artist, falsafa, will do well to research the connection between the dates 9/11/2001 and 9/11/1683…also please God, we need an American Tamarod to remove Bilal from the White House and a Reconquista to win the West back from dhimmitude under bowing Bilal.

  18. dumbledoresarmy says

    Apr 25, 2014 at 4:04 am

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2005/04/the_jihad_genocide_of_the_arme.html

    Bostom: The Jihad Genocide of the Armenians

    The beyond-vile would-be obscurer and excuser of evil, “Falsafa” the Falsifier, can lie and deny and throw sand and talk BS at a mile a minute, but he *cannot* prevent us from seeing the ugly reality of what Muslims, animated by Islam, did.

    What Muslims have done to many, many millions of *other* non-Muslims, on many occasions, in many different times and places, throughout the entire history of Islam, Turkish and Kurdish and Arab Muslims in the final decades of the Ottoman Empire did to Armenian and Greek and Assyrian Christians.

  19. Falsafa says

    Apr 27, 2014 at 4:21 am

    69 American and Canadian scientists published a declaration explaining those events experienced in 1915 were not genocide in the newspapers such as American Washington Post and the New York Times in 1985. These scientists were threatened so many times by Armenians. As always! Even Prof. Stanford Shaw’s house in California was bombed in 1977 by Armenian extremists as a result of his research on the alleged genocide.

    • Reality Check says

      Apr 27, 2014 at 5:27 am

      This post of yours is the greatest proof that you are one of the most dishonest liars that ever visited this website.

      According to sources on the net, a phone call placed several hours later by a man claimed that the Iranian Group of 28 was responsible for the bombing of Professor Shaw’s house.

      So the culprits were Iranians, not Armenians. It was Turkey’s permanent ambassador to the UN that alleged that Armenians were behind the attack.

      Of course he would do it – a Turk will never miss the chance for a little propaganda against the victims of their regimes.

    • gravenimage says

      Apr 27, 2014 at 12:53 pm

      Falsafa wrote:

      Even Prof. Stanford Shaw’s house in California was bombed in 1977 by Armenian extremists as a result of his research on the alleged genocide.
      …………………….

      Actually, an outfit called the “Iranian Group of 28” took credit for the bombing, in which no one was injured.

      And not incidentally, serious scholars have taken Shaw’s shoddy, propagandistic “research” to task for decades.

  20. Falsafa says

    Apr 27, 2014 at 4:25 am

    A terror campaign of Armenian organizations worldwide continued until 1995 with a total of 239 acts of terror carried out in 38 cities and 21 countries. Of the 239 terrorist attacks, 71 were conducted by Armenian Americans, and 30 occurred on American soil. According to the FBI, between 1980-86, Armenian terrorism accounted for the second highest number of terrorist incidents in the United States. 70 people, mainly Turkish diplomats and their family members, were murdered, over 500 were wounded in these attacks. The Armenian terrorist bombing campaign caused 160 incidents of property destruction, totaling several hundred million dollars in property damage in the United States, Europe, Middle East and Australia….So much for the peaceful teachings of Christianity?

    • Reality Check says

      Apr 27, 2014 at 5:39 am

      This post isn’t even the product of your own mind. You read and copied it from the website of the Turkish Coalition of America here:

      http://www.tc-america.org/issues-information/tca-issue-papers/remembering-the-victims-of-armenian-terrorism-794.htm

      Look at the third paragraph, Jihad Watchers – the paid troll Falsafa copy-pasted it here literally.

      As for your nasty assumption about the peaceful teachings of Christianity, there is nothing in the Bible to suggest that those who are not Christians must be killed – unlike the Quran which calls for murder of unbelievers all the time.

      Shall I cry like a Muslim now “You are judging all Christians based on the actions of a few!”? That is your favourite response – why not borrow it from you?

    • Reality Check says

      Apr 27, 2014 at 6:10 am

      Not to mention that the so-called Armenian terror in your post was aimed at Turks and not Muslims in general WHILE Muslim terror is always aimed at Christians and anybody non-Muslim in general, regardless of country and nationality.

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