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India: Muslim politician says women who are raped should be hanged

Apr 11, 2014 7:35 am By Robert Spencer

Abu AzmiAbu Azmi repeatedly emphasizes that what he is saying is simply Islamic teaching, and he will not speak against Islam. Does he have a case? Well, Qur’an 24:4 and 24:13 stipulate that sexual crimes can only be established by the testimony of four male Muslim witnesses. Those verses, according to Islamic tradition, are a result of Muhammad’s exoneration of his favorite wife, Aisha, who was suspected of adultery. Allah gave him a revelation requiring four male witnesses to establish such a crime: “And those who accuse honourable women but bring not four witnesses, scourge them (with) eighty stripes and never (afterward) accept their testimony – They indeed are evil-doers” (Qur’an 24:4).

The problem with this is that women who accuse men of rape but cannot produce four male witnesses are often accused themselves of zina — unlawful sexual intercourse — and jailed as a result. And Abu Azmi and others believe they should be killed.

“SHOCKING! Women having sex should be hanged, says Abu Azmi,” from NDTV, April 11 (thanks to Mark):

In a bizarre and grotesque statement, the state Samajwadi Party (SP) chief Abu Azmi said women who were raped should also be punished. The statement came after this reporter questioned Azmi about SP chief Mulayam Singh Yadav’s comments on rape.

Yadav had, at a rally in UP, said that the death sentence, as punishment, for rape was too harsh. “Ladkon se aisi galtiyan ho jati hain, to iska matlab yeh to nahi ki unhe phaansi de di jaaye (Boys make mistakes, but this doesn’t mean you hang them),” he told the gathering. (Mulayam’s shocker on rape: ‘they are boys, they make mistakes’)

To the gallows
When this reporter asked for Azmi’s comments on his chief’s statements, he replied that rape was punishable by death in Islam. “Rape is punishable by hanging in Islam. But here, nothing happens to women, only to men. Even the woman is guilty.”

He further added, “In India, if you have sex with a person with consent, it’s fine. But if that same person complains, it’s a problem. Nowadays, we see a lot of such cases. Girls complain when someone touches them, and even when someone doesn’t touch them. It becomes a problem then, and the man’s honour is ruined in this. If rape happens with or without consent, it should be punished as prescribed in Islam.”

When asked for a solution to the problem of rapes, Azmi had this to say: “Solution is this: any woman if, whether married or unmarried, goes along with a man, with or without her consent, should be hanged. Both should be hanged. It shouldn’t be allowed even if a woman goes by consent.”

On Mulayam

After saying all this, Azmi remained pretty diplomatic about reacting to his boss’ comments. “What context has he spoken in? Sometimes, the wrong people go to the gallows. Josh mein ladke aisa kar jaate hai. I won’t speak against Islam,” he commented.

Son disagrees
However, his son Farhan Azmi, who is contesting from the Mumbai North Central constituency, disagreed with his father and party leader. “I believe a rapist should be hanged a hundred times. I have five sisters and everyone in my family believes the same.”

‘Rape with or without consent should be punishable’

Reporter: Today Mulayam Singh made a statement in UP that the death penalty for rape was unfair, as “boys make mistakes”.
Azmi: It’s the death penalty for rape in Islam. But here, nothing happens to the woman; only the man bears the punishment. But, even the woman is guilty. In India, if you consent to sex, there’s no problem. But if there’s a complaint, then there’s a problem. These days, the number of such cases has increased where girls go and complain whenever they want. If one touches them, they complain, and if no one touches them, they still complain. Then, the problem starts, and the man’s honour, which he has earned throughout his life, is destroyed. Rape with or without consent should be punishable as per Islam.

Reporter: So, do you mean to say that the woman should be punished as well?
Azmi: If a woman is caught, then both she and the boy should be punished. As per Islam, if someone has (sex) with consent, it’s the death penalty even then. In India, there’s death penalty for rape, but when there’s consent, there’s no death penalty. But, this is a question of life and death between consent and no consent. If you agree to be with someone, it’s okay. But the moment something goes wrong, and one gets angry and starts blackmailing, then the other person would be hanged; this is a serious issue.

Reporter: So, what is the solution for this?
Azmi: The solution is that if any girl, whether married or unmarried, goes with a guy with or without her consent, they should be hanged.

Reporter: The girl should be hanged, too?
Azmi: Yes, both should be hanged.

Reporter: But we are not talking about sex with consent. The issue is rape.
Azmi: As per Islam, rape deserves death penalty. If someone rapes a woman, she shouldn’t be punished, ladki to bechari hai. The whole country should stand with her. But, what is happening, on the other hand, is that if the girl goes and does it with consent, even that shouldn’t be allowed.

Reporter: So according to you, sex with consent shouldn’t be allowed?
Azmi: Obviously. No parents in our Indian culture would agree if their daughter goes out with another man, and indulges in something wrong. But, as per Islam, if a girl does it, she will be awarded the death penalty. What I mean is that if there’s rape, then there should be punishment. But on the other hand, as per Islam, if two people go to a hotel and have sex with consent, even that should be banned. They should be punished.

Reporter: What punishment?
Azmi: If I say something, that would be against my religion, but I won’t talk against my religion. The punishment should be death by hanging.

Reporter: Do you agree with what Mulayam Singh Yadav says?
Azmi: See, I don’t know what context he said it in. But, at times, the wrong people are awarded the death penalty. Boys do it in josh, but what can I say in this? The death sentence should be given. I won’t speak against Islam.

What Mulayam Singh Yadav said

At a rally in Moradabad, UP, the SP leader and former UP CM said that the death penalty was “unfair” as “boys make mistakes”. “Ladkon se aisi galtiyan ho jaati hain, to iska ye matlab nahin ki phaansi de di jaye (Boys do make such mistakes, but that does not mean that they should be sent to the gallows),” he said.

Referring to the Shakti Mills rape case, Mulayam Singh, whose party is in power in Uttar Pradesh, said: “Two or three accused have been given the death sentence in Mumbai. We will change such laws when we come to power… we will also ensure punishment of those who report false cases.”

Three of the four men found guilty of gang-raping a 23-year-old photojournalist in the abandoned Shakti Mills in central Mumbai last August, were given death sentence after they were found guilty in another rape case.

“If boys and girls have difference, and the girl goes and gives a statement that I have been raped, then the poor fellows are punished,” he continued.

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  1. inquisador says

    Apr 11, 2014 at 8:08 am

    Azmi: As per Islam, rape deserves death penalty. If someone rapes a woman, she shouldn’t be punished, ladki to bechari hai. The whole country should stand with her.

    Azmi: The solution is that if any girl, whether married or unmarried, goes with a guy with or without her consent, they should be hanged.

    So which one is it Azmi?

    The solution is that Muslim moron politicians should not be elected.

    • bill says

      Apr 12, 2014 at 1:49 pm

      These politicians are complete loons. At least he is honest most politicians do not tell people what they really think. In India women have the vote so let us hope this dreadful man is not elected

      • Reza says

        Apr 13, 2014 at 8:46 am

        This politician in a Muslim and he says all his word based on Islamic ideology and thoughts. It is not a matter of being right or wrong. The matter is that he speaking based on something. Many Muslim countries in fact are practising this. You should look at the roots of his belief. Try to learn why he say something like that. Try to understand why many Muslim countries are practising this.

  2. duh_swami says

    Apr 11, 2014 at 8:09 am

    If rape happens with or without consent, it should be punished as prescribed in Islam

    That is an example of Islamic logic. No woman/girl has ever been raped with authentic consent. Every now and then there is a kinky minded woman who fantasizes being raped, but this certainly is not the norm. Or a woman/girl may go along with it because of threat and fear, but this is surrender, not consent.
    It never dawns on the blood thirsty that such calls for execution might be extreme to the level of evil. It’s worse than sick, it’s Islam.

    • veggiedog says

      Apr 11, 2014 at 9:28 am

      This whole logic is just st crazy. Of course rape is without consent you idiot, and you would punish the woman for this….. And we continue to let them in and multiply like cockroaches.

  3. Jay Boo says

    Apr 11, 2014 at 8:23 am

    The PC leftists news media will be shocked and outraged about this.
    Then again, if they find out he is Muslim, they might say let’s not be judgmental about another person’s personal religious and cultural beliefs.

    • Islamisdeath says

      Apr 11, 2014 at 12:28 pm

      Worse yet they will feign understanding of this pretzel logic. Rape without consent will be a concept they will pretend to understand. Rape means being forced almost always via violence.

      • Islamisdeath says

        Apr 11, 2014 at 12:31 pm

        I meant rape with consent is a concept they will pretend to understand

  4. Aardvark says

    Apr 11, 2014 at 8:24 am

    The solution is obvious.

    Azmi should be hanged.

  5. mortimer says

    Apr 11, 2014 at 8:33 am

    Vulnerability is the goal of Islam. Vulnerable people are guilty if they try to defend themselves and they should be killed. If the vulnerable do not defend themselves, they are also killed. In Islam, it makes no difference if you defend yourself or not; the jihadist has the right to kill you and will be rewarded for doing so.

    Women are expected to be vulnerable and never defend themselves in Islam. The Muslim paradise contains only compliant, brainless females who are eternally on call as sex slaves. This informs the thought of all Muslims.

    • bill says

      Apr 12, 2014 at 1:58 pm

      Of course the woman should be hanged as well, after all even the wholly babble shows woman to be the tempter of men. Woman is always to blame for the ‘mistakes’ of men.
      In fact women should not really exist!
      Islamabad – Sharia Correspondent: The Council of Islamic Ideology (CII) concluded their 192nd meeting on Thursday with the ruling that women are un-Islamic and that their mere existence contradicted Sharia and the will of Allah. As the meeting concluded CII Chairman Maulana Muhammad Khan Shirani noted that women by existing defied the laws of nature, and to protect Islam and the Sharia women should be forced to stop existing as soon as possible. The announcement comes a couple of days after CII’s 191st meeting where they dubbed laws related to minimum marriage age to be un-Islamic.
      After declaring women to be un-Islamic, Shirani explained that there were actually two kinds of women – haraam and makrooh. “We can divide all women in the world into two distinct categories: those who are haraam and those who are makrooh. Now the difference between haraam and makrooh is that the former is categorically forbidden while the latter is really really disliked,” Shirani said.
      Officials told Khabaristan Today that the council members deliberated over various historic references related to women and concluded that each woman is a source of fitna and a perpetual enemy of Islam. They also decided that by restricting them to their subordinate, bordering on slave status, the momineen and the mujahideen can ensure that Islam continues to be the religion of peace, prosperity and gender equality.
      Responding to a question one of the officials said that international standards of gender equality should not be used if they contradict Islam or the constitution of Pakistan that had incorporated Islam and had given sovereignty to Allah. “We don’t believe in western ideals, and nothing that contradicts Islam should ever be paid heed. In any case by giving women the higher status of being makrooh, it’s us Muslims who have paved the way for true, Sharia compliant feminism,” the official said.
      What’s stranger still is that muhammad related that hell is mostly full of women, yet in islamic heaven there are 72 virgins to every man

  6. Reality Check says

    Apr 11, 2014 at 8:57 am

    No wonder that Muhammad’s child bride, Aisha, said that she’d never seen more suffering women than the women believing in Islam.

    By the way, isn’t it strange that Muslim men idolize the demonic virgins of the after-life paradise they’d never seen while feeling such a ferocious contempt for the real women here on earth?

  7. john spielman says

    Apr 11, 2014 at 8:59 am

    this man and his evil venomous views are just another proof of the Satanic origin of Islam

  8. Guy Macher says

    Apr 11, 2014 at 9:21 am

    Rape with consent!? These Muslim barrows are subtle “thinkers”!

  9. veggiedog says

    Apr 11, 2014 at 9:36 am

    These islamists continue to prove they are brain dead. Do they even have a clue how ignorant they sound, but more important, how is this kept from our wonderful Progressives’?

  10. Defcon 4 says

    Apr 11, 2014 at 10:03 am

    I seem to remember a story about two women in the Islamic “Republic” of Iran who were about to be raped, one of them pulled out a knife and defended herself (actually killing one of the attackers). She was hauled into court and prosecuted for murder, convicted and sentenced to death — this despite the fact her fellow muslime male brethren were trying to rape her and her cousin — as her cousin attested to.

  11. David says

    Apr 11, 2014 at 10:21 am

    India should kick all the Muslims in India to Pakistan where they belong.

  12. sujith says

    Apr 11, 2014 at 10:36 am

    THank the loony gandhi for allowing these mooslime scums to live in india even after they partitioned it on religious grounds

    This is happening al over the world where islamic infestation is allowed.

  13. Brian Hoff says

    Apr 11, 2014 at 11:28 am

    What of Hindi officeholder feel the same way. Many Hindi policeman donot believe that than woman can be gang rape at all. If was very hard to change the rape laws in India untril foreign women where gang rape by Hindi men.

    • Reality Check says

      Apr 11, 2014 at 1:52 pm

      Oh, for God’s sake, learn some English and learn how to build a proper sentence! Are you really “Brian Hoff” or are you “Basheer Hamad”? Your grammar is below poor and disgusting.

      • Jay Boo says

        Apr 12, 2014 at 12:45 am

        What is his moniker again ‘Brain Half’?

    • duh_swami says

      Apr 11, 2014 at 3:44 pm

      Defenderofislam? It’s been a long time. Did you ever find a young bride and get married?

    • Eels says

      Apr 11, 2014 at 5:00 pm

      The ersatz Brian Hoff always makes me smile. This is not because of what he says, which is always stupid and often wretched, but because I know a genuine Brian Hoff. This pukka, bona fide ,Hoff is a fine base singer, a half decent Rugby player, a stout Christian and a robust consumer of Real Ale. He also has a sense of humour and so was able to laugh when I showed him the inane ramblings of Hoff the imposter.

      • Brian Hoff says

        Apr 11, 2014 at 7:20 pm

        90% of the parliament in India is make up of Hindi. In fact there was than elder Hindi Priestless who said than religious hindi woman cannot be rape by than hindi man as than hindi man because of his faith will never do just than thing. There was alot of Hindi woman very anger at her. It alot like the GOP member running for office who said than woman who is rape cannot get preagent was than supid thing to say. It he never said that remark he would have won. Not only did he lost the woman vote he lost the GOP woman vote too, plus he lost the vote of father of daughter and married man. I believe he got less than 10% of the vote. There was lot of women and father of daughter in portest who frighting the Hindi political into changeing the rape law.

        • Aardvark says

          Apr 13, 2014 at 5:04 am

          Stop it at once. It makes my brain hurt.

    • gravenimage says

      Apr 12, 2014 at 3:33 am

      “Brian Hoff” wrote:

      What of Hindi officeholder feel the same way. Many Hindi policeman donot believe that than woman can be gang rape at all. If was very hard to change the rape laws in India untril foreign women where gang rape by Hindi men.’
      ……………………………

      So the whole problem with rape in India is *Hindi” men, is it, “DefenderofIslam”?

      And yet, your pious coreligionist defends hanging rape victims—while suggesting their rapists go free—by saying “I won’t speak against Islam”.

      Are there Hindus saying the same thing, and asserting that they ‘will not speak against Hinduism”? Not that I’ve seen…

      And note that “Brian Hoff”—why did he drop the “C”? He sounded so much more plausibly Western that way…sarc/off—never actually condemns the claim that rape victims should be put to death. Waiting…

  14. Luhar Sen says

    Apr 11, 2014 at 11:58 am

    In India it is the same darned problem: a Left-controlled media that always glosses over such damning serious statements, calling them “gaffes”. But they will twist and turn and concoct all kinds of untruths about any statement from a (media-certified) Right-winger, taking an impossible perverse pleasure in denigrating the culture and philosophy of the Hindus. These so-called ‘intellectuals’ don’t even pause to reflect what India would be if not for the Hindus. And sadly, there are now, some media houses in the West that reproduce the same trash that Indian media churns out. Their India correspondents, more often than not, are young kids who took a trip to India after their under-grad. So much for political analyses.

  15. Gleaner1 says

    Apr 11, 2014 at 1:20 pm

    WHO let that inbred half wit OUT minus his string and collar ?

    I very much hope that the women of his town seize him and proceed to smear him VERY thinly over about 800 sq yards of road, that should get the message across.

  16. CornHolio says

    Apr 11, 2014 at 2:46 pm

    Amazing how often people like him say stuff like “But I can’t speak against Islam”, as if he were reminding us that he can’t divide by zero.

    I couldn’t really follow his logic here (what a surprise), but I think he was saying that even a women taken without consent, if she “goes along with it”, should also be hanged along with the rapist. “Goes along with it”? Does he mean, she has to fight back? Or is he malignantly suggesting that the victim might have enjoyed it, if she is not found grievously wounded or dead?

    Either way his message is clear, and it’s the same message “Allah’s Apostle” gave to Aisha and his other wives after the Incident of the Necklace – “Better just stay indoors pregnant and cooking, and behind a curtain or behind a male guardian, if you want to stay safe.”

    • gravenimage says

      Apr 12, 2014 at 2:09 pm

      CornHolio wrote:

      I couldn’t really follow his logic here (what a surprise), but I think he was saying that even a women taken without consent, if she “goes along with it”, should also be hanged along with the rapist. “Goes along with it”? Does he mean, she has to fight back? Or is he malignantly suggesting that the victim might have enjoyed it, if she is not found grievously wounded or dead?
      ……………………………….

      Ny dear CornHolio, you are thinking in *much* too logical terms. You are also trying to find some sort of moral basis for Azmi’s assertions, no matter how far off base.

      Neither logic nor ethical decency are relevant here.

      If a woman engages in sex outside of marriage or sex slavery, she is to be killed.

      Whether she sought out that sex, submitted to it under duress, or fought against it with everything she had, is utterly irrelevant in Islam.

      She is guilty of “Zina”, and deserves to be murdered.

  17. Bob says

    Apr 11, 2014 at 7:24 pm

    We’ll Allah would have provided 4 males if there was a rape ….unless there were 4 engaged in the rape ether way …hang her it the right thing to do

  18. enwhitenment says

    Apr 11, 2014 at 10:01 pm

    Aisha is the only hero islam has ever had.
    Her husband was jealous & insecure & could not control his temper.
    His jealousy & insecurity so strong that he dragged the child to battles lest she be left behind she would surely escape.
    When Aisha feel in love with another man her husband did all he could to hide the truth.
    It broke his heart & still today you see him weep in sorrow & guilt.
    billions will suffer from his acts of deceit & it is those that carry his word that will spend their lives in sorrow & remorse.

  19. Cj Mccoy says

    Apr 12, 2014 at 7:25 am

    This is ludicris, how do these people function in the real world?? This man is NUTS. Very ignorant, well not really ignorant that would imply that he doesn’t know any better but he does he just makes up crap as he goes along. How can anyone take these people serious when they say things like this. Hang a women who was raped!!! Someone attacks her nad they want to kill her??? This is not the religion of peace, it is of nuts and lunatics!!!!

  20. Darryl says

    Apr 12, 2014 at 10:18 am

    Islam is the preferred “religion” of savages!!!

  21. somehistory says

    Apr 12, 2014 at 11:00 am

    As the one imam said, and this guy (azmi) proves, there is no logic in islam.

    On the other hand, this guy doesn’t want the woman to be able to claim rape without being put to death afterward. That solves the whole problem of rape. No accusations=no rapes= no death for the rapists.
    No woman in her right mind would report rape if it meant she would be hanged. Unless she was so disgusted, her death was the only way relief from the deep depression, the disgust, etc. could be obtained; so she seeks death to escape her own remembering of the event.
    This man (term used very loosely) sounds like one who either rapes, has done so, or would like to. His description of the *women who get angry and wish to blackmail* after consenting is similar to others in the past who claimed *women ask for it.*
    islam is not logical, but it sure is disgusting in my opinion.

    • CornHolio says

      Apr 14, 2014 at 12:18 pm

      Good old Mo “revealed” the verse about the 4 witnesses required to accuse a “believing woman” of adultery, in order to silence the jokes and gossip about Aisha.

      But he wasn’t thinking ahead.

      This Azmi idiot’s attitude is the response to Muhammad’s hasty reaction to the gossip aimed his way. After that verse, believing women were likely feeling free as a bird, knowing that they are pretty much safe from ever being accused of adultery, so something needed to be done to control these rebellious women!

      So Caliph Umar ruled that other forms of zina like rape should be included in 24:4, effectively making the world a smorgasbord for rapists. The only safety then for the “believing women” was strict modesty and the company of a male guardian. Neat, huh?

      Isn’t Islam just the best?

  22. Watcher says

    Apr 12, 2014 at 1:32 pm

    May we understand Islamic law to require
    1. 4 voyuers who have accidentally happened onto the scene of the sexual act , where they are also prepared to testify they witnessed an act where the woman appears not to be consenting?
    2. that the woman should have prearranged witnesses to this act without consent, to verify it was without consent?
    3 that a woman would even put up a fight when she realised the cards were stacked against her in her unwilling interaction?
    Probably not an exhaustive list of obvious questions to this ludicrous demand of sharia law.
    For all that, the west is no innocent in respect and remaining objective in cases of reported rape.
    I commend all to sit in on, or peruse the transcripts of a western defence lawyers permitted cross examination of a complainant, who by the way, at least in Australia is not the complainant, but the Crown. As rape is regarded as offence against the state, rather than an individual.
    It’s a matter of fact that a complainant will be put through a scrutiny and value judgement of her sexual activity history, her dress at the time of the perpetration , and in every case accused of “wanting it”. “Provoking it ” Giving consent then withdrawing it later”, “Hiding behind a claim of intoxication ” etc etc
    But for all the West’s shortcomings, it doesn’t require ludicrous and impossible levels of validating witnesses, or the death penalty for either if found to be a valid prosecution.

  23. gravenimage says

    Apr 12, 2014 at 3:09 pm

    India: Muslim politician says women who are raped should be hanged
    …………………………………

    Please note, this is *not* the rantings of some fringe nut. Women in Dar-al-Islam suffer under this all the time.

    A 13-year-old victim of gang rape was stoned to death in Somalia, because reporting her rape was taken as evidence of having committed “Zina” (unlawful sexual activity). The fact that the victim was forced makes *no difference* in Islam.

    “Amnesty International: “Woman” stoned to death in Somalia was 13-year-old rape victim”

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2008/11/amnesty-international-woman-stoned-to-death-in-somalia-was-13-year-old-rape-victim

    In Bangladesh, a 54-year-old victim of incest was flogged to death on the same basis.

    “Bangladesh: 15-year-old girl dies during punishment straight out of the Qur’an”

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/02/bangladesh-15-year-old-girl-dies-during-punishment-straight-out-of-the-quran

    And it is not just judicial murders—rape victims are “Honor Killed” by their families and “communities” all the time, as well.

    While the “Wise Muslim Women” go out of their way to whitewash the role of Islam (no surprise there, I’m afraid), they still make some important points:

    “In many Muslim societies, women are often held responsible and stigmatized for the violence against them… Some rape victims are murdered by relatives because the violation of a woman’s chastity is viewed as an attack to their family’s honor. Almost 50 percent of women in a study of female deaths in Alexandria, Egypt were killed by a relative after being raped…”

    “Current Issues Stigmatization of Rape & Honor Killings”

    http://www.wisemuslimwomen.org/currentissues/stigmitizationofrape/

    In Afghanistan and Pakistan, up to 75% of the women in prison are there on charges of “Zina”. A large number of these women are rape victims.

    More:

    If rape happens with or without consent, it should be punished as prescribed in Islam
    …………………………………

    There is no real concept of agency in Islam—that is why you find such illogical “logic” as the above.

    Islam is mechanistic, brutal, and profoundly misogynistic—all of these horrors come together in the idea that rape victims should be judicially murdered.

  24. Asha says

    May 10, 2014 at 1:47 pm

    Oh plz u people… Let it b any book… Wts wrong is wrong… Nd keep ur third class believes 2 urslf… Apply it on women in ur houses… Dnt try it on al women…

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