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Indonesia: Thousands at “Anti-Shia Alliance” event call for jihad against Shi’ites

Apr 20, 2014 9:34 pm By Robert Spencer

habibahmadzeinAhmad bin Zein Al Kaff, the head of the Anti-Heresy Front, “said that Indonesia must be cleansed of Shiite teaching to prevent sectarian strife between Shiites and Sunnis — all the while inciting violence against Shiites.” In other words, the Shiites have to get out of Indonesia, or else. “It’s time that we declared jihad against them,” he said — but remember: the real problem is “Islamophobia.”

“Calls for Jihad, Purges Emerge at Hate-Filled Anti-Shiite Gathering in Indonesia,” by Yuli Krisna, Jakarta Globe, April 20:

Bandung. A planned declaration in Bandung to denounce the Shiite community turned into a fiery call for jihad, or holy war, against the much-maligned minority group.

Thousands of people showed up for the event on Sunday hosted by the Anti-Shia Alliance, a gathering of hard-line Sunni Muslim organizations.

Ahmad bin Zein Al Kaff, the head of one of those organizations, the Anti-Heresy Front, said that Indonesia must be cleansed of Shiite teaching to prevent sectarian strife between Shiites and Sunnis — all the while inciting violence against Shiites.

“It’s time that we declared jihad against them,” he said in an impassioned speech to the crowd gathered at Bandung’s Al Fajar Mosque.

“We should not tolerate them any more because we can’t hold any more dialogues with them.”

West Java Governor Ahmad Heryawan, who has made no secret of his distaste for minority religious groups, was expected to attend the declaration but stayed away at the last minute, instead sending his assistant for welfare, Ahmad Hadadi, who expressed support for the alliance’s cause.

Also in attendance was Ahmad Cholil Ridwan, a leader of the Indonesian Council of Ulema, or MUI, the highest Islamic authority in the country and ostensibly a moderate body.

Cholil’s message on the day, however, was anything but moderate as he called for a “purge” of the Shiites.

“As long as we [Islamic parties] are not in power, we will never be able to purge the Shiites,” he said.

“We need to strengthen our political base. The ruling coalition must be controlled by Islamic parties.”

The declaration itself called for “preventive and anticipative” action to deal with the “Shiite threat,” which observers say amounts to unprovoked attacks on Shiite communities in West Java and elsewhere, which continue to be carried out by hard-line groups like the Islamic Defenders Front, or FPI.

FPI members were present at Sunday’s gathering, dressed in black ski masks and camouflage jackets stencilled with “Heresy Hunters.”

Prior to the declaration, the West Java chapter of the Association of Jamaah Ahlul Bait Indonesia (IJABI), an umbrella group for Shiite organizations, had requested that the police not allow the gathering, on the grounds that it would incite hatred — a crime under Indonesian law.

“The police should take the necessary steps because this event will spread hatred and could invoke violence,” said Hesti Rahardja, the IJABI West Java chairwoman.

However, rather than preventing the gathering, the police deployed dozens of officers to secure the event.

“We respect freedom of expression. But we have to be careful because the presidential election is approaching,” Hesti said.

Bantarto Bandoro, a defense and security expert at the Indonesian Defense University, said it was precisely because of the upcoming election that the alliance had chosen this moment to call for the eradication of the Shiite faith from Indonesia.

“They perceive themselves as representing the majority. So they think that if any politician wants to become president, they must listen to their demands,” he said.

This was borne out in the message to the crowd from Muhammad Al Khaththath, the secretary general of the Indonesian Ulema and Congregation Forum, or FUUI, which in 2012 issued a call to build “anti-Shiite posts” to protect the Sunni faithful.

“The presidential election must be used as a momentum,” Al Khaththath said on Sunday.

“We will support any candidate who wants to make an MOU to purge the Shiites from Indonesia. If Prabowo [Subianto] is ready to do that. he will become the president,” he added, referring to the candidate from the Great Indonesia Movement Party, or Gerindra.

Bantarto urged President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono to quickly take action to prevent he spread of the hate speech and protect Shiite communities from attacks.

“The conflict between Sunni and Shiite, which started in the Middle East, has arrived in Indonesia. We must not let ourselves be consumed by this conflict as we risk our own plurality and our unity as a nation. It will be a long and bloody conflict if we fall into the trap,” he warned.

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Comments

  1. Islamisdeath says

    Apr 20, 2014 at 10:37 pm

    Man these people love murder! Other muslims, Christians, Buddhists, hell it don’t matter they all bleed and that sensation of satisfaction they get at the kill is all the same. Serial mass murders! Well I say go kill each other for a while and give everyone else a short break before you descend upon them again!

    How can anyone doubt that islam is satanic? It’s all about murder, torture and slavery!

    • Jay Boo says

      Apr 21, 2014 at 12:27 am

      And still they cannot fill the bottomless void of emptiness that Islam offers.

    • Salah says

      Apr 21, 2014 at 1:56 am

      “How can anyone doubt that islam is satanic?”

      Of course Islam is satanic, it’s in their books!

      http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2011/10/muhammad-and-satan_24.html

      • john spielman says

        Apr 21, 2014 at 8:40 am

        Islam is and always be, a house divided against itself. Jesus, who is God incarnate, said that a house divided cannot stand.
        Islam will ultimately be destoyed by the coming of His glory!

  2. umbra says

    Apr 20, 2014 at 10:39 pm

    indonesia, another hole slowly growing larger and deeper.

  3. Geoarrge says

    Apr 20, 2014 at 10:54 pm

    Prevent sectarian strife by provoking sectarian strife. Brilliant.

  4. Rob says

    Apr 20, 2014 at 11:06 pm

    A bit like having a Holocaust to prevent antisemitism.

  5. Guy Macher says

    Apr 20, 2014 at 11:58 pm

    Go Sunnis!

    • john spielman says

      Apr 21, 2014 at 3:04 pm

      Oh yeh. go shia (sarc)
      maybe they are like a proton and anti proton and they will cancel each other out in a big explosion!

  6. Guy Macher says

    Apr 21, 2014 at 12:00 am

    Go Shiites!

  7. Truthsayer says

    Apr 21, 2014 at 1:35 am

    Indonesia was a very tolerant country. It had and still has a constitution allowing freedom of religion, athough officially only 5 religions are accepted (Islam, Hindu, Buddhism, Christian Protestant and Christian Catholic)

    Within the Pancasila, which is the official philosophical foundation of Indonesia, it states –
    Belief in the one and only God, ” which means every Indonesian citizen, no matter which religious denomination or faith they follow, should respect each other’s belief for the sake of the harmony and peace of mankind. This Principle contains the precept of religious tolerance and freedom of all to adhere to the religion or faith of his or her choice.

    But this is changing. There is now Wahhabi influence in Yogyakarta with an extremist agenda.

    A Caucasian friend who has lived and worked there for many years has recently been threatened by these new comers and he tells the story of them buying properties around a mosque to extend its function offering prices way over the market value and admitting it is with Saudi money.

    • Tim says

      Apr 21, 2014 at 3:30 am

      We are seeing this taking place all over the world. Its always Saudi and Qatari influenced. They are pushing really hard to spread their hardcorers everywhere and soon the murders and threats begin.

    • Praskorp says

      Apr 21, 2014 at 4:40 am

      Cut the head of the serpent and the snake will die… so much evil is being perpetrated so much death and blood is flowing from this filthy oil money that the arabs are earning. so much good can be done but wasted on wars and terrorism.

      all things good and evil must come to an end.. so will this..

    • Angemon says

      Apr 21, 2014 at 7:05 pm

      I was wondering why Semeru/Mazo wasn’t here on full damage control mode, but Truthsayer’s comments seem to be copy/pasted from Semeru/Mazo’s handbook. “Oh, indonesia is very tolerant, except that now those saudi wahabis are ruining it for everyone”. News flash, if the constitution only allows for 5 religions (and cut the “oh, those are the official ones, indonesia tolerates every religion” crap, the reason East Timor is one of the most catholic countries in the world is because the murdering indonesian troops forced the East Timor natives to convert out of animism) then you can’t say the constitution allows freedom of religion, especially when it discriminates against polytheists.

      • Semeru says

        Apr 22, 2014 at 2:13 am

        Angemon, You just do not have a clue

        Firstly, I am not Mazo

        Secondly, you wrote News flash, if the constitution only allows for 5 religions

        Well, The constitution allows 6 religions :-

        In the 2010 Indonesian census,
        87.18% of Indonesians identified themselves as Muslim (predominantly Sunnis, also including Shias and Ahmadis),
        6.96% Protestant,
        2.91% Catholic,
        2.69% Hindu,
        0.72% Buddhist,
        0.05% Khong Hu Chu,

        So maybe it is a good idea to get for facts right.

        East Timor is one of the most catholic countries in the world is because the murdering indonesian troops forced the East Timor natives to convert out of animism.

        One again, Angemon overlooks the fact that the murdering of East Timor natives was also done by East Timorese militias, who where mainly catholic.

        Mosti people here on JW accuse Indonesia of committing Jihad against East Timor, if this was the case then explain

        Cristo Rei of Dili (Christ the King of Dili) is an 88.6-foot-high (27.0 m) statue of Jesus located atop a globe in Dili, East Timor. The statue was designed by Mochamad Syailillah, who is better known as Bolil.

        It was unveiled on 15 October 1996. Roman Catholic bishop Carlos Filipe Ximenes Belo, together with President Suharto and East Timor Governor José Abilio Osorio Soares, directly witnessed the revelation of this statue from the air using a helicopter.

        • Angemon says

          Apr 22, 2014 at 4:56 am

          The clown wrote:

          “Well, The constitution allows 6 religions :-”

          Do point out where in the constitution those 6 religions are specifically named, and which are they. And i love how you’re calling me out for commenting Truthsayer’s statement regarding the 5 religions.

          “In the 2010 Indonesian census,”

          So you’re not quoting the constitution, you’re going by the declared religions. Still won’t change the fact that the constitution does not allow for freedom of religion.

          “87.18% of Indonesians identified themselves as Muslim (predominantly Sunnis, also including Shias and Ahmadis),
          6.96% Protestant,
          2.91% Catholic,
          2.69% Hindu,
          0.72% Buddhist,
          0.05% Khong Hu Chu,

          So maybe it is a good idea to get for facts right.”

          Ha ha! Are you really that stupid? Your 6 religions include Catholics and Protestants? If you’re counting Catholics and Protestants as separate religions you have to count every sect of islam in indonesia as a separate religion. Sunni, Shia, ahamadi, Wahabi, and whatever more exist. That makes it what, 9 religions? Oh, wait, ahamadi aren’t considered true muslims by any other sect. So… 8 religions?

          Hey, are atheism and agnosticism recognized by Indonesian law? Are there blasphemy laws? Do people in Indonesia get thrown into prison for saying, let’s say, “There is no God”? Because, if atheism and agnosticism aren’t recognized by Indonesia then there’s no freedom of religion.

          “One again, Angemon overlooks the fact that the murdering of East Timor natives was also done by East Timorese militias, who where mainly catholic.”

          LOL! For decades the Indonesian government subjected the people of East Timor to extra-judicial executions, routine and systematic torture, massacres and deliberate starvation, but according to Semeru the bulk of the responsibility falls with some East Timorese militia. Tell me, were East Timorese militias responsible for the Santa Cruz massacre?

        • Angemon says

          Apr 22, 2014 at 5:18 am

          Also, notice the obfuscation: i said that the indonesian invaders forced the timorese natives to convert out of their animistic religions (something that the portuguese didn’t do during their centuries-old presence in East Timor, even though the word on the street is that european nations were evil imperialist colonialists who oppressed the native populations and erased their culture) and Semeru replied “the murdering of East Timor natives was also done by East Timorese militias“. How does that relate to the indonesians not allowing the native animists to practice their religion?

        • Angemon says

          Apr 22, 2014 at 5:44 am

          And notice how, even though was Truthsayer who said “officially only 5 religions are accepted” i’m the one who needs to “get for facts right“. More ignorance/stupidity/obfuscation from Semeru – what a surprise.

          Of course, since Truthsayer is repeating Semeru/Mazo’s propaganda (“oh, sunni and shia islam in Indonesia are different from the sunni and shia islam practiced in the rest of the world, whatever bad things indonesian muslims do is the fault of saudi wahabis”) Semeru/Mazo won’t dare to criticize him, especially if he can pin statements he claims to be false on someone who criticized Indonesia in the past.

        • Semeru says

          Apr 23, 2014 at 12:27 am

          Angemon wrote, Ha ha! Are you really that stupid? Your 6 religions include Catholics and Protestants?

          Many, including the state of Indonesia regard Catholics and Protestants as separate religions

          Angemon wrote, Hey, are atheism and agnosticism recognized by Indonesian law?

          Atheism in Indonesia is not disallowed by law, but, when atheist Alexander Aan wrote in February 2012 that God does not exist, he was taken into custody and initially charged with blasphemy. The police claimed that they were doing this to protect him from attackers, however, no charges have been levied against his attackers. He has not prosecuted under blasphemy law, but instead was eventually charged under the country’s cyber crime laws for spreading his views on the non-existence of god by using the internet.

          Angemon wrote but according to Semeru the bulk of the responsibility falls with some East Timorese militia

          This is a blatant lie, no where on this forum have I ever tried claim that the bulk of responsibility falls with some East Timorese militia. What we witness on JW is the constant white washing of the role that christians played in the atrocities that where committed against East Timor.

          So called Anti-Jihadists such as Angemon, try to link the invasion of East Timor to Jihad, by citing the Santa Cruz massacre and ignore the massacres committed by the catholic led militias

          Facts

          #1 Santa Cruz massacre, 250 murdered, committed by Indonesian Troops

          #2 Liquiçá Church Massacre, 200 murdered, commited by Catholic led militia

          #3 Liquiçá Church Massacre, 200 murdered, commited by Catholic led militia

        • Angemon says

          Apr 23, 2014 at 4:49 am

          The lying clown wrote:

          “Atheism in Indonesia is not disallowed by law, but, when atheist Alexander Aan wrote in February 2012 that God does not exist, he was taken into custody and initially charged with blasphemy. The police claimed that they were doing this to protect him from attackers, however, no charges have been levied against his attackers. He has not prosecuted under blasphemy law, but instead was eventually charged under the country’s cyber crime laws for spreading his views on the non-existence of god by using the internet.”

          So in Indonesia it’s a crime to say that God doesn’t exist. Sure seems like a blasphemy law.

          “This is a blatant lie, no where on this forum have I ever tried claim that the bulk of responsibility falls with some East Timorese militia.”

          You lying sack of semeru. Have you outright said that the Indonesian massacred tens of thousand of East Timorese? No, whenever someone brings that issue up (and the funny thing is that
          it was YOU who brought it up this time) you always talk about the “catholic christian militias” even though the Indonesian government subjected the people of East Timor to decades of extra-judicial executions, routine and systematic torture, massacres and deliberate starvation.

          “So called Anti-Jihadists such as Angemon, try to link the invasion of East Timor to Jihad, by citing the Santa Cruz massacre”

          Lying again, are you? Tell me where i said “The Santa Cruz massacre is the proof that the invasion of East Timor was jihad”. You can’t because i never said so. More lies from semeru – what a surprise.

          “and ignore the massacres committed by the catholic led militias”

          Facts

          #1 Santa Cruz massacre, 250 murdered, committed by Indonesian Troops

          #2 Liquiçá Church Massacre, 200 murdered, commited by Catholic led militia

          #3 Liquiçá Church Massacre, 200 murdered, commited by Catholic led militia”

          Facts: you’re mentioning the Liquiçá massacre twice. Facts: it doesn’t count as 400 people killed. Facts: 250>200. Facts: the number of victims has never been fully determined, it ranges from 60 (according to Indonesia) to over 200 (according to local sources). Facts: the massacre was committed a pro-Indonesia militia (Besi Merah Putih), so it’s safe to say that if Indonesia never invaded East Timor it wouldn’t have taken place. Facts: over 200,000 (two hundred thousand) people died during the Indonesian occupation of East Timor, the result of decades of extra-judicial executions, routine and systematic torture, massacres and deliberate starvation. Facts: 200,000 > 200. Facts: you need to lie to have a point, which is to say, you don’t have a point at all. But that doesn’t matter because, like any regular lying sack of crap, you need to whine and play the victim.

          Try saying it out loud: “The Indonesian are responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of East Timorese”. You can’t, can you? You need to blame it all on catholic militias, otherwise we wouldn’t be having this discussion. Erdogan claims the Armenian genocide never existed, Semeru refuses to acknowledge the Indonesians ever killed anyone – it’s always the christian militias. Notice that he referred to the massacre of Liquiça as being committed by a “Catholic led militia” instead of a pro-Indonesian militia, a fact he tried to hide – can’t let Indonesia get linked with that, can you? Lying by omission is still lying – the Besi Merah Putih didn’t went around killing people because they were Catholic but because they were pro-Indonesia, something the likes of semeru will never acknowledge, just like he won’t acknowledge that the Indonesian tried to wipe out the East Timorese people and their culture – with him it’s always “the catholic militias did it”.

        • Semeru says

          Apr 25, 2014 at 2:15 am

          OOOOps I should have written

          #1 Santa Cruz massacre, 250 murdered, committed by Indonesian Troops

          #2 Liquiçá Church Massacre, 200 murdered, commited by Catholic led militia

          #3 Suai Church Massacre, 200 murdered, commited by Catholic led militia

          Now prove that I have ever denied that Indonesian troops murdered several hundred East Timorese.

          It seems that people here on Jihad watch cannot acknowledge that christians also played a role in the mass murder of East Timorese

          Here is are just a few
          Fact #2 Benny Moerdani was not the only high ranking christian army officer involved with East Timor.

          Here are just a few more

          Major General Theo Syafei, a Buginese Christian

          LtGen Johny Josephus Lumintang a Protestant born in Menado, northern Sulawesi

          MajGen (ret) Sintong Panjaitan

          LtGen Tyasno Sudarto a Central Javanese Christian born in 1948

          No the invasion of East Timor was not Jihad or holy war, like we witnessed in the Moluccas and Poso of Central Sulawesi. Or the Jihad the Acehnese waged against Indonesian rule

        • Angemon says

          Apr 25, 2014 at 5:17 am

          The lying clown wrote:

          “OOOOps I should have written

          #1 Santa Cruz massacre, 250 murdered, committed by Indonesian Troops

          #2 Liquiçá Church Massacre, 200 murdered, commited by Catholic led militia

          #3 Suai Church Massacre, 200 murdered, commited by Catholic led militia”

          The Suai church massacre was another massacre committed by a pro-indonesian militia. Lol, that’s all you can amount to, massacres committed by indonesia-linked militias that wouldn’t have happened if Indonesia didn’t invade East Timor?

          “Now prove that I have ever denied that Indonesian troops murdered several hundred East Timorese.”

          Hundreds of Timorese? They’ve assassinated HUNDREDS OF THOUSAD of Timorese, and every time i asked you to acknowledge that you always claim that christian generals planned the invasion and christian militias committed the massacres. Now, the opposite is true: prove that you never denied the Indonesian invasion and the massacre of hundreds of thousands by Indonesian troops. If you ever acknowledged it then link to a post of you doing so.

          I’m going to ask you again: try saying it out loud: “The Indonesian are responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of East Timorese”.
          Now watch as Semeru refuses to do so and instead tries to shift the blame to East Timorese and Catholics while claiming he never denied the Indonesians killed anyone.

          “It seems that people here on Jihad watch cannot acknowledge that christians also played a role in the mass murder of East Timorese”

          It seems you and Mazo always use the same argument when defending Indonesia: “oh, there were catholics involved so it’s all ok”. Anyone who can read properly can see i’m talking about the Indonesian invasion of East Timor. You’re the one trying to scrub the murder of hundreds of thousand of East Timorese by the Indonesians. And you do so by blaming everything on the christians. Let me guess, you must think 9/11, 7/7 and 11-M were done by the CIA to blame muslims.

          “Fact #2 Benny Moerdani was not the only high ranking christian army officer involved with East Timor.

          Here are just a few more

          Major General Theo Syafei, a Buginese Christian

          LtGen Johny Josephus Lumintang a Protestant born in Menado, northern Sulawesi

          MajGen (ret) Sintong Panjaitan

          LtGen Tyasno Sudarto a Central Javanese Christian born in 1948”

          You still have to explain to why they being christians is supposed to somehow clear Indonesia’s involvement on the invasion of East Timor and the attempted genocide of its population. Notice that i’ve talked about the Indonesian invasion of East Timor, Mazo and Semeru are the ones bringing up religion into it.

          “No the invasion of East Timor was not Jihad or holy war, like we witnessed in the Moluccas and Poso of Central Sulawesi. Or the Jihad the Acehnese waged against Indonesian rule”

          I spoke of the Indonesian invasion of East TImor, not of jihad against East Timor. The topic at hand is the attempted genocided committed against the native East Timorese by the indonesians, including pro-indonesian east timorese militias. But it’s funny: you’re the one trying to link a religion to the Indonesia invasion and you opt to link a minority religion rather than the dominant religion in Indonesia (islam).

          Anyone can see when i talk about the actions of the Indonesians I don’t care about the religion of this guy or that guy. Religion doesn’t matter as far as i’m concerned. However, semeru/mazo’s argument goes like this “a handful of christians helped to plan the invasion, some christian militias killed some people, so all the blame for the invasion of East Timor by Indonesia and the attempted genocide of the East Timorese lies on christian hands and therefore you can’t talk about it because islam had nothing to do with it”.

          Despicable little creatures, aren’t they?

        • Angemon says

          Apr 25, 2014 at 5:24 am

          Now that that’s out of the way, let’s try again. Semeru, do you acknowledge that the Indonesians invaded East Timor and are responsible for the attempted extermination of the local East Timorese population?

          As you can see it’s a simple yes or no question with no religious strings attached. Let’s see how semeru answers.

  8. citycat says

    Apr 21, 2014 at 3:50 am

    Anti-heresy equals anti-infidel

    Heresy exists in only the mind of the perceiver

    The perceivers of heresy are assaulting on a mental front.

  9. John says

    Apr 21, 2014 at 4:29 am

    And to think Indonesia was once Hindu and Buddhist. Talk about a backward step.

  10. wayne says

    Apr 21, 2014 at 5:04 am

    All these muslims are pure evil and there day will come when the decend into the fires ov hell to pay for there sin’s

  11. mortimer says

    Apr 21, 2014 at 6:32 am

    Calls for genocide are not against the law in Indonesia?

  12. Angemon says

    Apr 21, 2014 at 6:48 am

    I’m surprised Semeru/Mazo isn’t in full damage control mode yet. I guessed he finally woke up and smelled the Java. We won’t be hearing more of his crap about how “islam in indonesia is different, more tolerant and it has nothing to do with sunni and shia islam”.

  13. Transmaster says

    Apr 21, 2014 at 9:29 am

    The great horror, Shia’ and Sunni each with nuclear weapons. If they have them they will use them forget Israel they will go after each other.

    • Defcon 4 says

      Apr 21, 2014 at 12:31 pm

      @Transmaster

      Are you kidding me? Scuzzlums throughout the Mid-East hate Israel
      and Jews as a matter of course. It’s no f’ing accident that the ancient Jewish
      populations of Syria, Egypt, Iraq, Yemen have all but disappeared and
      no accident that the Jewish population of Iran is disappearing.

      • Mirren10 says

        Apr 21, 2014 at 1:08 pm

        Very true, Defcon4.

        No matter how much sunnis hate shiites, and vice versa, they will subsume their hatred in the much greater hatred they *all* have for Jews, and Israel.

        • Angemon says

          Apr 21, 2014 at 7:10 pm

          I bet if the ahmadi got their hands on nukes they’d arm sunni and shia so they could gang up on Israel without caring that they’d be sunni and shia’s next target.

    • Defcon 4 says

      Apr 21, 2014 at 12:33 pm

      I wish I could say I cared. Picking Sunnis over Shiites is like picking the SA over the SS.

  14. andy says

    Apr 21, 2014 at 5:21 pm

    Islam like dracula they love the smell of fresh blood. They will continue to suck human blood or else they will die

  15. gravenimage says

    Apr 22, 2014 at 1:54 pm

    Indonesia: Thousands at “Anti-Shia Alliance” event call for jihad against Shi’ites
    ……………………………..

    Well, why the hell not? Sunnis are oppressing and slaughtering Shi’ites all over the world, and sometimes vice-versa. How long before this insanity reaches the civilized West?

    More:

    Ahmad bin Zein Al Kaff, the head of one of those organizations, the Anti-Heresy Front, said that Indonesia must be cleansed of Shiite teaching to prevent sectarian strife between Shiites and Sunnis — all the while inciting violence against Shiites.
    ……………………………..

    Yes, indeed—the only way to prevent sectarian strife is to incite it. Very Islamic, both in its circular “reasoning” and in its viciousness.

    After all, there can’t be any more sectarian strife if they are all killed, can there?

    Except, of course, that there can—just pick another group of Infidels, “heretics”, or “apostates”. The bloodshed never ends in Islam…

    More:

    “It’s time that we declared jihad against them”
    ……………………………..

    When is it *not* time for bloody Jihad?

    More:

    “We should not tolerate them any more because we can’t hold any more dialogues with them.”
    ……………………………..

    I wonder what that “dialogue” consisted of?

    More:

    West Java Governor Ahmad Heryawan, who has made no secret of his distaste for minority religious groups, was expected to attend the declaration…
    ……………………………..

    Wasn’t it Semeru—or, possibly, Mazo—who was just telling us that Javanese Muslims really have more in common with Hindus than with orthodox Acehnese Muslims?

    And yet, here they are, declaring Jihad in “heretics”, just like mainstream Muslims…really, there’s no explanation for it…sarc/off

    • Angemon says

      Apr 22, 2014 at 5:03 pm

      “Wasn’t it Semeru—or, possibly, Mazo—who was just telling us that Javanese Muslims really have more in common with Hindus than with orthodox Acehnese Muslims?”

      Semeru, Mazo and now Truthsayer – the trinity of “someone else did it, Indonesia and islam had nothing to do with it”.
      Indonesia invaded East Timor? Well, a christian general prepared the invasion and it was backed by the USA, so it had nothing to do with islam and barely anything to do with Indonesia, because islam in Indonesia was heavily influenced by Buddhist and Hindu practices so it’s very different from islam in, let’s say, Malaysia.
      Indonesian troops committed genocide against the native East Timorese? Well, some militias composed of native Catholic East Timorese killed other native Timorese, so the genocide had nothing to do with islam or Indonesia, just like the Armenian genocide had nothing to do with Turkey or the Ottoman empire.
      The native East Timorese were forced to convert out of their animist beliefs after the Indonesian invasion? Well, the Indonesian constitution allowed them to be Catholics, so it allows the freedom of religion and it had nothing to do with islam, because islam in Indonesia was heavily influenced by Buddhist and Hindu practices so it’s very different from islam in, let’s say, Malaysia.
      Indonesian muslims are trying to impose sharia law on non-muslims? Oh, it’s them damn saudi wahabis, it has nothing to do with islam in Indonesia because islam in Indonesia was heavily influenced by Buddhist and Hindu practices so it’s very different from islam in, let’s say, Malasya.

      Then again, i am expecting muslims to acknowledge wrongdoings committed by other muslims and/or following islamic doctrine. That never happened before and probably never will. The closest anyone will ever get is “oh, those people may have done that but they were no true muslims anyway, so whatever”.

      • Mazo says

        Apr 22, 2014 at 9:27 pm

        Thats right, America and Australia supported the Javanese Indonesians in massacring Achenese Muslims, pagan East Timorese and West Papuans.

        Javanese Indonesian Dictator Suharto was supported by the west for his anti-communism, so he was given free reign to butcher Islamists and Communists and Australia helped Indonesia set up an arms blockade around East Timor.

        Meanwhile, it was Libya and Achenese Muslims who were supporting the East Timorese and West Papuans.

        The Achenese fought the Japanese in WW2 while the Javanese collaborated with Japan.

        The western supported Javanese dominated dictatorships suppresed the Islamist Darul Islam movement and Communists, and committed mass murders of the Achenese, Timorese, and Papuans.

        • Angemon says

          Apr 23, 2014 at 5:09 am

          The lying clown posted:

          “Thats right, America and Australia supported the Javanese Indonesians in massacring Achenese Muslims, pagan East Timorese and West Papuans.”

          East Timorese are “pagans” now? After Indonesia invaded East Timor, they forced the whole native East Timorese population to convert from animism to one of Indonesia’s allowed religions, something the Portuguese never did during their centuries in East Timor (and we all know, because muslims tell us, that Europeans are evil imperialistic conquerors who forced christianity on everyone, right?). Hence why East Timor is one of the most catholic countries in the world.

          For years Mazo/Semeru attempted to obfuscate any connection between Indonesia, Islam and what happened in East Timor. What we have here is more of his usual crap “oh, Indonesia and islam did nothing wrong, it’s always someone else’s fault, and in the end, the US and its allies are the ones to blame” drivel that Mazo/Semeru enjoys spouting.

          Remember that, according to Mazo, JW lied when it linked the Uighur with the Kunming railway station massacre.

        • Mazo says

          Apr 23, 2014 at 3:09 pm

          Angemon doesn’t seem to grasp that Semeru supports the Indonesian POV while I support the Achenese/Timorese/Papuan POV, but we both know that you are the one who is lying when trying to link Islam to the conflict.

          http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/04/us-envoy-samantha-power-decries-religiously-motivated-violence-in-africa-doesnt-mention-jihad-in-nigeria/comment-page-1#comment-1033937

        • Angemon says

          Apr 23, 2014 at 3:46 pm

          LOL! More crap from Mazo, the mendacious grievance-mongering wannabe taqiyya-artist. He’s an excerpt of what i said about Mazo/Semeru’s MO:

          “Semeru, Mazo and now Truthsayer – the trinity of “someone else did it, Indonesia and islam had nothing to do with it”.
          Indonesia invaded East Timor? Well, a christian general prepared the invasion and it was backed by the USA, so it had nothing to do with islam and barely anything to do with Indonesia
          ”

          According to me, Mazo/Semeru’s MO includes blaming a christian general and the US for the invasion of East Timor.

          Here’s an excerpt from the comment he’s linking to:

          “Looks like DDA enjoys spilling the same BS over and over in East Timor, can’t get over the fact that the Indonesian Generals who ordered the invasion of East Timor were CHRISTIANS .”

          And he linked to this right after he said “Angemon doesn’t seem to grasp that Semeru supports the Indonesian POV while I support the Achenese/Timorese/Papuan POV“. Seems like Mazo can’t tell the difference between Indonesia, East Timor and Papua. Here’s a tip: the Timorese POV includes an indonesian invasion and the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Timorese caused by it. I’ve yet to see you acknowledge any of those things, so how can you claim to support the Timorese POV when you contradict it over and over and call those who support it “liars”? No, you support the Timorese POV the same way Jim Crow supported the african-american POV or muhammad supported the kuffar POV.

          “we both know that you are the one who is lying when trying to link Islam to the conflict.”

          Says the guy who defends the genocide of hundreds of thousands of East Timorese by saying “Christian generals prepared the invasion and the US backed it up“. I say that Indonesia (a muslim majority nation) invaded East Timor and Indonesians are responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of East Timorese through decades of extra-judicial executions, routine and systematic torture, massacres and deliberate starvation. Mazo blames nameless indonesian generals who happen to be christians for everything and yet he claims i’m the one trying to link a religion to the conflict. In psychology that’s called “projection”.

          Once again: Indonesia invaded East Timor and Indonesians are responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of East Timorese through decades of extra-judicial executions, routine and systematic torture, massacres and deliberate starvation. Do you agree with what Indonesia and Indonesians did to the East Timorese people? Or will you try to defend the attempted genocide of a whole nation by saying “christian generals did it, they were backed by the US and act like Indonesia had nothing to do with it?

        • Mazo says

          Apr 23, 2014 at 5:50 pm

          The Javanese dominated Indonesian government annexed West Papua, invaded East Timor and repressed them along with the Acehnese, for the purposes of Javanese domination.

          This Javanese government was supported and backed by the west for its anti-communism, so it was given free reign to butcher Communists, Islamists like Darul Islam, and minorities like Muslim Achenese, and Timorese and Papuans.

          The Javanese and their brothers the Balinese Hindus profited frm their transmigration program against Timorese, Muslim Achenese, and Papuans.

          http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/03/philippines-muslims-celebrate-milfs-peace-with-government-christians-at-site-of-jihad-massacre-less-excited/comment-page-1#comment-1029689

          http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/03/philippines-muslims-celebrate-milfs-peace-with-government-christians-at-site-of-jihad-massacre-less-excited/comment-page-1#comment-1029689

          Gaddafi supported the Timorese, Muslim Achenese, and Papuans against the Javanese dominated pro-western Indonesian government.

        • Angemon says

          Apr 23, 2014 at 6:20 pm

          Notice how Mazo refuses to acknowledge that Indonesia invaded East Timor or that Indonesians are responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of East Timorese through decades of extra-judicial executions, routine and systematic torture, massacres and deliberate starvation. Instead, he prefers to present the Aceh muslims as an oppressed minority. Now, the muslims in the Aceh province are imposing full sharia law both on muslims and non-muslims alike, but when asked if he agreed with what Indonesia and Indonesians did to the East Timorese people he prefers to talk about the “plight” of the Aceh muslims.

          Says a lot about his character, really. What’s it going to be Mazo? Do you condemn the Indonesian invasion of East Timor and the attempted genocide of its people? Yes or no?

        • Angemon says

          Apr 23, 2014 at 7:08 pm

          “This Javanese government was supported and backed by the west for its anti-communism, so it was given free reign to butcher Communists, Islamists like Darul Islam, and minorities like Muslim Achenese, and Timorese and Papuans.

          The Javanese and their brothers the Balinese Hindus profited frm their transmigration program against Timorese, Muslim Achenese, and Papuans.”

          Once again, a good example of Mazo’s dishonesty. When i said “Indonesia invaded East Timor” Mazo replied i was “ lying when trying to link Islam to the conflict“, even though i only said that Indonesia invaded East Timor, which is, well, a fact. But when he tried to defend Indonesia, he pointed out that some of the generals involved were Christians, therefore trying to link a religion to the conflict.

          As if that wasn’t bad enough, twice he mentions the “Javanese oppressors”, going as far as mentioning “their brothers the Balinese Hindus” and how the “Muslim Achenese“suffered under them. But what religion were the Javanese? Well, most Javanese are muslims, a fact that Mazo choose not to mention, even though he mentioned that the Balinese were Hindus. So, by Mazo standards, when muslims are the oppressors religion doesn’t matter, but when muslims are being oppressed, even if by other muslims, religion matters. What religion(s) were the Timorese and the Papuans? Mazo never says so, but it’s safe to assume the vast majority of them are not muslims, otherwise Mazo would surely have informed us, like he did with the Achenese. (psst: the Timorese were mostly animists until the Indonesians forced them to convert to a monotheistic religion).

  16. Barry Grossman says

    Apr 27, 2014 at 12:12 am

    You hypocritical fools!! These are the people supported by your US Government and who’s sectarian views have been inculcated by extremists from America’s primary ally, the KSA. They have long used petro dollars to buy off and influence opinion leaders in Indonesia, who very often start out as little more than gangsters before rising to occupy positions of some influence as the self-proclaimed leaders of various grass roots organization which are very often motivated by concern with anything but a genuine concern for religious doctrine ! For those of you who are genuinely concerned about the scourge of sectarianism and extremism rather than simply giving vent to your Islamaphobia, you would do well to first reach an unbiased understanding of Islam and what separates genuine Muslims form the misguided extremists encouraged by your own foreign policy and security apparatus, before then using your voice to clean your own house by running those elements out of the institutions of your own US government instead of hurling stones at problems you have no understanding of in places where you have no claim to a legitimate interest.

  17. dumbledoresarmy says

    May 11, 2014 at 8:04 am

    Above, a mohammedan in a mask tries to pretend that this is all da fault of da wicked infidels making pooor, pooor muswims (who arent’ *really* Muslims anyway) do wicked things that the poor muswims wouldn’t do if the wicked infidelz didn’t make them do it.

    ROFLMAO.

    Sunni-Shiite enmity has existed since the beginnings of Islam.

    Sunni hatred of Shiites is normative Sunni Islam; it isn’t “sectarianism” or extremism. And the reverse is also the case.

    Both sides have always regarded each other as heretics.

    The Sunni-Shiite internecine warfare was in full swing long before the USA ever came into existence, and long before the USA took any sort of interest in INdonesia.

    http://drybonesblog.blogspot.com.au/2014/01/the-war.html

    ‘Project Gutenberg’ offers James Freeman Clarke’s book “Ten Great Religions” (written between 1871 and 1883).
    Downloading same, and skipping to chapter XI, ‘Mohammed and Islam’, I was able to find the passage cited by Bhobby.
    It occurs in section 5: ‘religious doctrines and practices among the Mohammedans’.
    In which there are a few more statements that will not shock jihadwatchers in the least. Viz.:
    “There is no recognition, in the Koran, of human brotherhood. It is a prime duty to hate infidels and make war on them. Mohammed made it a duty for Moslems to betray and kill their own brothers when they were infidels; and he was obeyed in more cases than one.”
    And:
    “The two main divisions are into Sunnites and Shyites. The Persians are mostly Shyites, and refuse to receive the Sunnite traditions. They accept Ali, and denounce Omar. Terrible wars and cruelties have taken place between these sects. Only a few of the Sunnite doctors acknowledge the Shyites to be Moslems. They have a saying, “to destroy a Shyite is more acceptable than to kill seventy other infidels of whatever sort.”‘

    Islam is Islam is Islam. Anyone who has read the Quran – and investigation of the canonical “Sira” of Mohammed, and of the authoritative Hadiths, only confirms what one finds in the Quran, as regards the aggressiveness of Islam – can see that the so-called “sectarians” and “extremists” are nothing but…Muslims taking Islam fully to heart, doing just what it says on the tin.

  18. Open-Thinker says

    May 18, 2014 at 11:53 pm

    I think this is really stupid. This Anti Shia Alliance makes no sense. Sunni and Shia are two totally different sects although sunni and shia have common ground to 2 degrees Believe in Allah and Believe in the Holy Prophet the difference only comes after words in relation to Hazrat Ali (as) and Abu Bakr. So why dont these sunnis fight with christians or hindus, I’m not saying we should agree with each other but rather accept each other as 2 totally different sects and live among each other just as you live among the christians, jews and even athiests. Instead you fight with blind hatred while the satanists look on gleefully as we fall apart.
    I wonder if anyone even researches a bit do you really know is Ali (as) or even know a bit of who Abu Bakr and Umar were or do you accept anything that your molvi tells you. Read the Quraan a bit, look deeper into the meaning of the verses explained in the Hadeeth.
    I would really recommend reading Anita Rai’s books in english. It is a real eye-opener that is deeply researched (just search them on the web)
    -Muhammad: Uncovering the true story
    -Jihad and Terrorism
    -An affair of the heart
    http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/617196.Anita_Rai

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